Jim Henson told Disney lawyer to fuck off after being informed

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>>93988042
>The answer is none of the above. With two of us standing in his shadow, gentle, soft spoken Jim Henson looked the attorneys square in the eyes and slowly, quietly told them to get off his set and never come back.

>As we watched them go I said to him, “Jim, I’m so sorry to have caused a problem, especially on your first day shooting with Disney…”. Jim put his hand on my shoulder and said, “I would NEVER want you to sign a deal you’re not comfortable with”.

I miss him so much..
https://stevewhitmire-muppetpundit.com/2017/07/18/early-influences-on-my-business-conduct/

>>93988042
>>93988079
Based Jim sticking up for his performers.

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Steve also responds to Cheryl Henson's facebook reaction that went viral recently.

>I love Jim as a friend and mentor, while Cheryl loves him as a father. Don’t judge her emotional posts too harshly. I hope all of you and Cheryl, too, can understand that being outspoken about these very character issues to the top creative executives on the ABC series is at the core of the number one issue stated to me for my termination by The Muppets Studios.

https://stevewhitmire-muppetpundit.com/2017/07/19/semantics-family-asked-jim-chose/

>>93988042
D. All of the above

Wait, Jim or Brian?

>>93988451
It would be funny if this entire situation wasn't so sad.

>>93988042
Too bad Disney was right. Henson gave too much power to a voice actor and now he is causing a big commotion over getting fired for his endless tantrums.

>>93988257
>I love Jim as a friend and mentor, while Cheryl loves him as a father. Don’t judge her emotional posts too harshly
Damn. You take that high road, Steve.

>>93988257
>Loved
Well even likes a strong word from what I've heard of her opinions on her father.

Why the fuck is this shit a general?

>>93988977
Corporate drone fuck off.

>>93988257
This man has to be a saint walking among us mere mortals to tolerate the Mouse's shit and being backstabbed by the Henson family.

Disney was a guy who got royally screwed early in his career and decided henceforth he'd be the one to screw everyone else.

His company still reflects that ambition.

>>93988977
This

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>>93988977
>>93989317
Your free Mickey hat is in the mail, thanks for being a mouseketeer! Haha oh boy!

>>93989238
They screwed over Roy Disney when he tried to get the company back on track too.

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All this drama for a shitty ride that gets a 10 minute wait, tops even during spring break

>>93988977
>>93989317
How much do y'all make?

I really want to be a shill.

>>93989453
Not Henson's fault children have shit taste and folk to Frozen.

>>93989488
The 3D character is really fucking annoying though.

>>93989420
>They screwed over Roy Disney when he tried to get the company back on track too.
What?
>After his resignation, Disney helped establish the website SaveDisney.com, intended to oust Michael Eisner and his supporters from their positions and revamp the Walt Disney Company.
Holy shit.

>>93989511
>The 3D character is really fucking annoying though.

And Bean Bunny.

There are a lot of Jim Henson apologizes around, mostly because they've had 3 decades to deify him since his death. But the guy wasn't a god and even he could churn out subpar shit from time to time.

>>93989453
>MuppetVision 3D
>shit

Fuck you, that show is kino. Hell, the 3D there holds up better than Philarmagic.

The only reason it has 10 minute waits is cause it's been there for a long ass time.

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>>93989606
Nah it's pretty shitty. A cheap cop out for what could've been a much better ride

>>93989511
He's supposed to be?

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>>93989606
>Fuck you, that show is kino. Hell, the 3D there holds up better than Philarmagic.

C'mon, anon. We all liked Jim, but don't be a retard.

>>93989678

>You can't criticize a character being annoying if they're annoying ON PURPOSE!

That's a pussy copout if I ever heard one.

>>93989590
>There are a lot of Jim Henson apologizes around, mostly because they've had 3 decades to deify him since his death. But the guy wasn't a god and even he could churn out subpar shit from time to time.

Of the 3 Muppet movies made during Jim's lifetime, the one he directed was the worst of them.

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>>93988079
Jim telling Disney's parasites to beat it.

>>93989708
The character fulfilled its purpose. It was annoying. Apparently, you are still assblasted to this day. Congrats! You felt something!

>>93989738
Which one would that be?

And I mean I'm not saying he was infallible, but dude also directed kino like the Dark Crystal.

>>93989771

The lengths some autists will go to in order to keep from accepting that even St. Henson had some bad ideas and bad characters.

Pathetic. Truly, truly pathetic.

>>93989738
>Of the 3 Muppet movies made during Jim's lifetime, the one he directed was the worst of them.
>>93989804
>Which one would that be?

Uh, the one directed by Jim Henson, you massive sperg?

>>93989682
I was talking about the 3D effects, not the 3D characters. Last time I visited both the shows, Philarmagic blurred quite noticably, whereas MuppetVision still seemed quite clear.

>>93989858
>Uh, the one directed by Jim Henson, you massive sperg?

Can you just name the film? I'm having a hard time finding the muppet film he directed.

>>93989934
I'll answer for you, anon. Seeing as the other anon won't. Henson directed The Great Muppet Caper.

>>93989827
Oh wow you think you're on some kind of crusade...cringe
I know this might seem tough to grasp, but I don't give a shit about your delusions and projections. I was just pointing out the fact that the character was intended to be annoying. You seem really easily aggravated over something so simple.

>>93989682
Waldo is Jim being experimental with 3D animation something of which the prospects really intrigued the guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoSutaKx0Ag

>>93988042
>>93988079
No wonder Disney assassinated Jim Henson that same year.

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>>93989521
There's some interesting insights on there about early 2000s Disney, you just have to use the internet archive to get to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYeHckMmwEo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI14ex__zec

https://web.archive.org/web/20040324100934/http://savedisney.com:80/

On one hand, I'm kinda feeling like Whitman is fishing for sympathy by giving an extremely biased account of the story.

In the other hand, fuck Disney and everything they stand for.

>>93988977
loathsome pondscum

>>93988257
Can Steve Whitmire possibly be more based?

>>93991093

Can you possibly be more of a shill?

>>93991209
you're an idiot.

>>93991209
You forgot your hat. >>93989420

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>>93988977

>>93989738
But Frank Oz directed Muppets Take Manhattan

>>93989606
I liked it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzCSBkAi7xM

>>93989238
>Disney was a guy who got royally screwed early in his career and decided henceforth he'd be the one to screw everyone else.
you're correct on the first part, but wrong on the second

Okay, is Steve seriously the spotless good guy in this? I can understand keeping Henson's character alive and true to form, but the way he did it could have been better.

>inb4 Mouseketeer
>inb4 you forgot your hat

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>>93989238
>Disney was a guy who got royally screwed early in his career
you referring to this little guy?

>>93991508

>I'M not a shill! YOU'RE a shill!

Nice try, shill.

>>93991913
Something to be said for picking your battles. But at the same time fuck this soulless corporate behemoth and the two-faced hangers-on at Henson

>>93991093
>based
You must be 18+ to post on 4chan

>>93991209
>shill
Every board is not /v/ but maybe you need to stay there longer if you can't comprehend that you cancerous "everyone I don't like is from tumblredditwitter wharrrgarbl" piece of shit. No one likes you or will.

>>93988977
>voice actor
here's your (You)

>>93992136
>getting triggered by "based" and "shill"
Hi newfriend, try not to let this type of stuff bother you because you'll be seeing it a lot on 4chan

>>93992155
>Ctrl+f "shill"
>7 results
I hate the autistic company war shitposting that started that meme.

>>93989590
Bean was great, only in the special he was in.

>>93992279

pretty sure shill comes from /v/

>>93991913
>is Steve seriously the spotless good guy in this

He ended up inheriting Jim's role defending the characters because Jim's kids had no interest whatsoever in doing so, but had none of the authority behind that role, and was seen as a nuisance.

He unwisely hired his wife as his manager, and refused to train an understudy which meant until he was relieved of duty if you wanted Kermit you had to go to Steve.

Jim's company and legacy should have gone to the performers and technicians who helped build it, not the brats he felt guilty about abandoning all those years. The performers and technicians had a crystal clear understanding of the property's actual value, whereas the kids on the sideline never could. Their collective inability to light a fart that didn't have their dad's signature on it says as much.

>>93991209
THIS THIS THIS. Disney is flippin' based and this dumb cuck hippy is just standing in the way of progress.

>>93992279
A lot of shitposting going on in this thread that's for sure >>93991209 >>93992644

>>93992644
>cuck hippy
opinion disregarded

>>93988042
>It's a puppetfags whine over a hack actor getting what he deserves thread

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>>93993045

>>93993045
>hack

>>93992644
>cuck hippy
opinion regarded

>>93993045
>actor

>>93992538
>Some old autistic hippy sperging out about Kermit
>Protecting Jim's legacy

>>93992644
>cuck hippy
opinion

>>93991913
His only real crime seems to be not picking his battles better.

Seems like his only other option was to just roll over, though.

>>93993182
>Worked with Jim very closely when others like Frank and Richard distanced themselves in the 80s.
>Brian Henson approaches Steve asking for him to play Kermit
>Steve asked the writers of the ABC show if he could play Kermit slightly different, cause Kermit would never lie to his nephew,
>Steve hasn't hired an understudy yet because he's still well enough to play the character. It's normal for a puppeteer to prolong this and wait until they were getting old. Steve's only in his mid fourties.
>Disney catches wind of him asking the ABC writers to change Kermit a slight bit, throw a shitfit.
>Henson's own fucking family, who turned to Steve when Kermit didn't have a fucking voice, starts to shit out these lies about him off set.

I worked with Steve twice. He's the nicest fucking man I've ever met. I puppeteered, he kept warning me about holding the puppet a certain way would fuck my shoulder up.

>>93991913
Steve only asked them to write Kermit a bit different for one scene of the ABC Muppets show, where Kermit would lie to his nephew about him and Piggy being together. He wanted to play it differently.

Disney sacked him for 'changing kermit, making him depressing and not funny'

>>93993613
I don't like being torn between Kermit the Frog and Brian Henson of Farscape but you've convinced me Brian is a backstabber.

>>93993613
You're awesome anon.
Tell us a tale?

>>93993688
It would have been thing for him to stay quiet.
I'd be disappointed, but I'd get it.

But to join his garbage siblings in tearing the guy down...

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Was Walt Disney a good man /co/? We all know that yes, he was a business man of course, but at the end of the day was it about money or the love of the craft and bringing smiles to people's faces?

>>93993742
It's very disappointing indeed. I really have to wonder if they were seriously paid off, or are just being desperate opportunists.

>>93993769
Walt seems like the kinda guy who enjoyed what he did but also knew he had to be a suit guy to make ends meet

>>93993769
The only thing that makes me unsure of Walt is how the man who really created Mickey Mouse was treated.

>>93988079
Damn

>>93993696
I was a background puppeteer for one of the 2000's episodes of Sesame Street, played Herry Monster, it was a huge crowd scene. Steve was in the for-front as Ernie, next to Kevin Clash, Eric Jacobson, Jerry Nelson, and Fran Brill, David Rudman and Carmen forgive me, I forget Carmen's last name.

I was behind the piano with Tyler Bunch, Martin Robinson, Stephanie D, and I forget who was Grover. I even forget who was little Chrissy. The gang were singing the ABCs with Patti Labelle. Steve noticed the way I was preforming Herry, and came over mid break and gave me some pointers. It's not just a sack of fur over my hand. He told me to add more pep to Herry's step, so Herry and Grover rock out when the music went gospel.

I was also one of the background preformers playing a chicken when the Muppets preformed the Weight on Jimmy Kimel. Steve told me a wonderful story that Jim filled his office desk with chicken feathers back in 79 in the Muppet headquarters. Steve also told me how hard the chickens were cause they don't have arms like normal muppets and you use two fingers to control the beak.

>>93993880
>played Herry Monster
Peter Linz?

>>93993959
Peter wasn't in that day for shooting. If he was, I don't remember. But I played Herry just that once between Tyler Bunch and Peter, who I know has taken over for Herry now.

>>93993959
>Jerry L. Nelson (July 10, 1934 – August 23, 2012)
It's totally him, Anon.

>>93993985
What do you normally do?

>>93993996
Jerry was preforming the Count with Matt Vogal as the right hand.

>>93994016
I TRY to get a job puppeteering. Been trying for the last 17 years. It's not an easy thing to get into. But both Steve Whitmire and Carol Spinney told me not to give up.

>>93993613
>>93993880
Thanks for telling your story (regardless of your anonymity) and actually sticking up for Steve.

>>93994037
Good luck, man. Had no idea it was like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0hYxuDav0g
Here's the segment for those wondering. Fun fact: I spent the end of the take looking for Bert's eye that the Count knocked off him.

>>93994037
Did Steve get in touch with you while this went down or during the troubled product of ABC's Muppets?

>>93994103
First I heard about it. I'm on the 'call if we need extra hands' payroll for the Muppets and Sesame Street shop.

And I'm pissed. I supported Steve's idea to retire from Ernie to be Kermit full time. And now this happens.

>>93993613
Post proof or you're a liar, anon.

>>93994299
If you don't believe me it's fine, man.

Yo fuck the mouse

>>93994148
Keep up the fight anon. As a fan of Muppets since before, I could speak, I'm glad to hear these stories. Jim Henson is a personal hero of mine, not just for the Muppets, but for the way he lived and treated people.
I work in the arts myself and my number one frustration is execs who don't understand what heart is.
The performer is the difference between Kermit the Frog, and a green sock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oqZEJ99B3A
Steve's so angry and cruel in this video, ain't he.

>>93994148
Feel for you, m8.

>>93994148
Does it bother you that a lot of news outlets just treat it as a easy thing to do? "Oh it's just some voice actor, anyone can do a Kermit impression. You can just up and replace him with another voice actor right?"

I personally blame Disney for this current day misconception about what goes into puppetry, Jim was all about showing off how Kermit work and appreciating the hard work his friends put into it by appearing next to Richard Hunt at the Oscars or taking everyone from the Muppets to a Late Night show.

Ever since The Muppets (2011) happened Disney put a stop to that, they would stuff Steve, Bill Barretta and the others in sofas on Ellen DeGeneres, Colbert etc instead of having a conversation eye-to-eye with the guy playing Kermit or Fozzie.

>>93994454
Yeah, it fucking pisses me off to no end. When I took over for Herry Monster, not even as a speaking roll, just a pair of arms to fill the puppet, I was nervous as shit. Jerry Nelson gave Herry so much personality and life, it's big shoes to fill.

And about talk shows, yeah, I agree, I've heard horror stories of being in those couches.

>>93994454
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOj7Hlahik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_AUn5poOmA

Now compare it to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--G2_YeUb3s

https://youtu.be/Q65fKWU9S-U?t=389

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X9DVE2J-ho

>I've heard horror stories of being in those couches.

Oh I can imagine, it's still one of those dream jobs I'll likely never get to fulfill not in the slightest of days. Was always something I aspired ever since I saw The Muppet Show and a documentary into the making of a episode as a kid.

>>93994551
whoops meant to reply to you and not myself there, anyways thanks again for telling your story

>>93994839
This is my personal favorite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6R2HQHzJC4

jackie chan

>>93994918
This one's hilarious where he says son of a bitch as Rowlf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3ceHwuac3s

What do you people think about the other replacements for the OG muppetters? (Barretta with Henson, Vogel with Nelson, Rudman with Hunt, Jacobson with Frank)

>>93993880
Got any more stories to tell? It's nice to hear something from someone that directly worked with him that isn't from the Henson family dog piling Steve repeatedly backstabbing the guy.

>>93995174
Well, I met Carol Spinney a few times. Sat down to have lunch with him. Told me how much Sesame Street changed, all while we split a tuna sandwich.

>>93995165
Each of them do great jobs, but you can only do so much with the scripts you're given. I feel bad for Vogel because of the position he's in because of this situation.

>>93995165
>>93995228
Vogel's taking over for Big Bird, that's already a strain on him. He also plays Sweetums, Uncle Deadly, Robin, Floyd, Count, Mr. Johnson, and Dr. Strangepork. Now he's getting Kermit literally tossed at him.

>>93988977
>Voice actor
Nice meme bud.

>>93991678
Seriously. I like Frank and all, but Manhattan is easily the weakest of the early theatrical Muppet features.

>>93995351
Only good parts about Manhattan:
Saying Goodbye
Dr. Teeth singing a solo song.
The Rats
Pete from Pete's Diner.
Sesame Street and Fraggle Rock cameos
The Muppet Babies segment.

>>93993613
>>Steve hasn't hired an understudy yet because he's still well enough to play the character. It's normal for a puppeteer to prolong this and wait until they were getting old. Steve's only in his mid fourties.

He was in his mid-forties when they bought the Muppets but that was thirteen years ago. Not saying that it was right but they've probably been pressing him on that for a decade now.

>>93995227
I saw that documentary on him recently, it was great

>>93993769
Walt Disney is often described as controlling it seems.
With his name on everything I'm sure he got more credit than he deserved on a lot of things.
But he was still a guy with a good eye for good family entertainment, and people were more than willing to work with him so he probably wasn't all that bad.

>>93988042
>>93988079
So things that Disney has ruined:

>Star Wars
>Marvel Comics
>The Muppets
What else am I missing?

>>93996636
American copyright law

>>93996644
Damn, nice triple dubs.

>>93988257
Brother keeping it green.

>>93990688
Saying that in jest possibly but knowing who was head at the time. I wouldn't put it past him to push Jim along given the chance.

>>93989149
Likewise. I remember a special FX guy telling an anecdote of meeting her and blurting out how great it must've been to be his daughter. She paused, looked at him, and said something along the lines of "You love Jim Henson because he was Jim Henson. But I was his daughter... I didn't have a father between the ages of 5 and 25."

>>93996636
Disney has not done anything to Marvel Comics. The entire thing could burn and Disney would not give two shits since they have the movies and the IP to churn out more

>>93996644
lol

>>93993182
Sperging about puppets is literally Jim's legacy

>>93996636

Disney didn't really ruin Star Wars though, I mean the prequels were still worse than anything the mouse can shit out

>>93997080
They ruined the tv show, which was the best thing that came out of the prequels.

>>93997080
debatable. The prequels were bad, but at least they stayed true to the spirit of the originals. They didn't exist to push SJW propaganda

>>93996636
they ruined disney itself. if Walt Rose from his grave today, he would barely recognize the company he left behind.

>>93997252
Please go away.

>>93997252
yeah that was the job of the OT

>>93997252
>but at least they stayed true to the spirit of the originals

nah

>>93997143

lmao who cares

>>93996985
This thread attests to that.

>>93994343
Post pics.

BUT WHY HASN'T KERMIT COMMENTED ON THIS?

>>93998033
No cameras from the outside were allowed on set. I hope you understand

>you'll never attend to a Live Electric Mayhem concert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_01zRwJOPw

>>93990961
Damn....

>>93988257
>Gets shit thrown at him by his longtime friend's kids
>Takes the high road with both them and the executives

Steve is a saint, and deserves better. Fuck Jim's money grubbing kids.

>>93988042
>>93988079

That's awesome. Jim Henson was always known for having his performers' backs.

>>93988977
I like to think this is bait.

>>93989738
>Great Muppet Caper
>Worse than Muppets Take Manhattan

Man, some opinions just shouldn't be expressed, and that's one of them. GMC was awesome.

>>93993880
according to the Muppet wiki, these were the rest of the performers in that scene

>Alice Dinnean
>Jim Kroupa
>Noel MacNeal
>Joey Mazzarino
>John Tartaglia

does that help to jog any memories of who played who?

>>93998880
I don't remember Alice there, I know Joey was. Noel I think was puppeteering Chrissy.

>>93988042
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b4zMrVJjAQM

>>93998934
>>93998880
You gotta remember, characters like Rosita, Cookie, Baby Bear, Telly, Ernie and Count took two people to preform due to the live hands.

>>93988977
neck yourself shill

>>93998934
Your either Jim or John

>>93999009
Again
>>93998977
There were several non-named puppeteers, again, to fill out bodies. A thing both productions of puppets do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06KIlSGRTHw

>>93988042
that's how they used to handle voice actors, they don't anymore.

at the time Disney had 0 cartoons with Mickey., Donald, or Goofy, the guys that were doing the voices only did commercials and toys. So they had 3 or 4 that would do voices for various things, this way they could pay them less.

in 1988 they finally made some real casting decisions and had 3 voice actors chosen to be the voices for life because they were finally going to be making cartoons again starting with Ducktales.

However now that they've gotten rid of Kermit it would be a good time for them to also get rid of Tony Anselmo, anything that Steve Whitmire did I guarantee Tony did 100x worse.

Not only did Tony steal over $100k from the Disney vault but he's also "difficult" he constantly complains about the dialog he's given because he's such a shitty voice actor he can't actually perform the lines.

They already have a new Donald Duck lined up to take over, Daniel Ross, so I don't see any real reason to not get rid of his ass.

>>93999209
Puppeteers =/= Voice actors.

>>93999227
>‘That’s not how we do business. If Mickey-1 won’t do it for what we offer, then we move on to Mickey-2, and keep going down the line until somebody will do it for our price…’.

>>93999266
Still doesn't change that puppeteers =/= voice actors.
Voice actors record in a booth. Puppeteers force their acting through their arm and hand.

>>93999289
irrelevant

>>93996644
tripdubs confirm

>>93999316
You don't get it. Puppeteers are there from the moment a character is conceptualized, they give them backstory, they give them wants and needs, personality quirks, and find out what makes them who they are. They're not just some hired fuck who sits in a booth and reads lines.

There's a reason Steve didn't feel comfortable playing Kermit, cause Kermit was a part of Jim as Jim was a part of Kermit.

Hell, even people who take over a character like, say, Bill Corbette for Trace Beluie, felt uncomfortable. They try to emulate the character and does shit impressions, and it takes a long time for them to get used to it.

So no, it's not just 'OH SURE, WE CAN SLAP ON A NEW PUPPETEER' especially if it's unannounced and sudden like this firing.

>>93999393
irrelevant

>>93999414
Except not, you fucking Disney apologist.

There's a reason that Scooter wasn't recasted for good until David Rudman tried him. There's a reason Rowlf took almost 10 years to recast.

>>93988042
>A) Tell me that my “business conduct was unacceptable”?

It pretty much is. Doesn't meet accounting rules, doesn't tell the insurers you're on set so nobody was actually insured if the insurer found out, doesn't meet union rules (strictly, though lots of people sign on-set - but have a strong "verbal" or preliminary written agreement and are just waiting on the decision to offer them more money. Which is what Whitmire admits to here.

>B) Accuse me of “brinkmanship”?

Well, that's pretty much how anybody's going to see it. And he's now confirmed it himself, so, you know. Pretty much unhireable with that attitude. Nobody - nobody - is bigger than the production. You hold up production, you hold up everybody else, and there's a good chance people won't get paid if you hold it up long enough.

>C) Fire me without an ultimatum for holding up his production?

The only reason he's still working today lol is that he wasn't fired back then for being a fucking dickhead. If someone comes to you with a derisory offer, sure, it's a negotiation. But if you're on-set and they come down and ask to see your paperwork, you'd better have it, because it's not your set. It's theirs. They're protecting it.

I get that a lot of people think Whitmire was hard done to but to be honest the man is himself now confirming that he's a fucking primadonna. You don't hear about goddamn Billy West sulking in trailers until the studio meet his demands. Even Dan goddamn Castellaneta took a paycut the last two negotiations. It happens.

And Whitmire has hit the limit of everybody's patience. He'll have been doing this every contract out since 1990, emboldened by being protected by his sugar daddy - that's a lot of work they've sent his way, and a lot of aggravation he's given back. Now he's bitching about Henson's daughter one day (despite the fact she knew him a hell of a lot better than Whitmire ever did) and trying to invoke Saint Henson himself the next.

Fuck this guy.

>>93999540
How much Mouse Dollars does Disney pay you?

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>>93988079

I wonder what the world would be like if Jim where still with us

>>93999540
Oh wow, someone that doesn't know the story. Steve sent ONE note to the fucking writers of ABC's the muppets, about thinking how Kermit wouldn't lie to his family about breaking up with Piggy. And then Disney claimed he made Kermit unfunny and depressing, despite OTHER PEOPLE writing for the frog that don't know how to handle the muppet writing like Jerry Juhl did.

Honestly, there's a reason when Jim died, they heavily considered retiring Kermit and Rowlf but Brian Henson came to Steve and said 'Here, you pick up the reigns' and now Brian's fucking turning his back on him?

>>93999393
>Hell, even people who take over a character like, say, Bill Corbette for Trace Beluie, felt uncomfortable. They try to emulate the character and does shit impressions, and it takes a long time for them to get used to it.
God, you're not wrong. I'm still having trouble getting through the new MST3K series because of how weird all the robots sound now.

>>93999540
>doesn't understand the stress of taking over a person's creation, then the physical demands of what it takes to bring the thing to life

Spoken like a true shill.

>>93999720
Trace saw Crow, picked it up and made it his.
Bill took over for Trace, despite not even being a puppeteer and not being an understudy, and even said himself, season 8 Crow looks like he suffered a stroke.
Hampton Yount isn't even PREFORMING the puppet, it's Jim Henson guys doing it. Hampton's using a remote control to provide the mouth movement and the voice, THAT'S ALL he's doing.

>>93988042
So like, what the fuck is Steve gonna do now for a job?

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>>93999540

I wonder who could be behind this post.

>>93999720
>>93999770
The new Crow is good after you get used to it being different. The new Tom sounds enough like Jonah that I keep getting their voices confused, though that got a little better by the end too. Gypsy's voice is entirely different but I didn't mind that as much as I expected to.

>>93999860
Gypsy actually had the most cast changes out of all the bots.
Josh-Jim-Pattrick-New girl.

>>93988042
>>93988079
F

>>93996636
>The Muppets
>POTC
>Haunted Mansion
>Tower of Terror
>The Disney parks management
>DXD and Disney Channel

The list goes on. But they didn't ruin Marvel nor SW

>>93999972
No, they pretty much did.

>>94000020
No, Disney's the only thing NOT ruining Marvel these days. The movies are great. The comics are lousy and you'd have a damn hard time convincing me that's Disney and not just a downward spiral Marvel's been on for ages anyway.

>>93988977
>>93989317
>>93991209
>>93999540
(You)

>>93999837
>Rich Jews and Israel gain to benefit the most out of a Trump presidency
>Somehow it's a Jewish conspiracy to vote against him
????

>>93995351
If Muppets Wizard of Oz counts, it gets my vote as the worst.

If not, Muppet's Most Wanted. Manhattan is the weakest of the originals.

>>93995373
I fucking hated the babies segment.
I hated the show even more.

>>93996925
We don't know the conditions for the acquisition. For all we know, it could be their fault that amanat got hired.

>>94000056
>The movies are great.
Opinion, though.

>>93997252
>The prequels were bad, but at least they stayed true to the spirit of the originals.
Well, this. At least they still felt more like Star Wars than Rogue One, for instance, and didn't shit completely on the happy ending of the original trilogy.