I... I don't know what I expected. /co/, just... hold me,

I wasn't expecting much but I was really into it, 9/10 for me

Wow. If it makes you this butthurt, we should get Warren Ellis to write all the animes.

>>93976984
you type like a faggot, I'm glad you're butthurt

>>93977020
I mean, for what it's worth, I was able to enjoy it too, maybe even in a "I want to see if this gets better or not" kind of way, and there were definitely moments that I liked, but it kind of fell flat in a lot of portions for me. ESPECIALLY with the writing. I feel like if this show was restrained from trying to be for "mature" audiences (see: Deadpool fans), it would actually be more refined, and provoke more intuitive writing. I don't know why, but all of the gratuitous language and gore just felt like "let's put this in", but it didn't feel like it was pushed to its absolute limits, like Metalocalypse or something, which coincidentally, I would get vibes of from certain moments.

>>93977080
Fuck, man, if he had to write for ALL the animes, he'd have all that time to practice and get better at actually writing, so that'd probably just be interesting to watch.

>>93977141
This cartoon made me into a faggot, I just... feel so vulnerable... somebody warm me up

>>93976984
Show was great. You're a fag, OP.
Surprising no one.

>>93976984
You have bad taste OP

>>93977080
>needs more technobabble!

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>>93976984

you will never be the filling in a trevor belmont and dracula sandwich.

>>93977584
>>93977597
Nah, this was worse than Legend of Korra Season 4, you guys will eat anything up if you thought this was good.

>>93977584
>>93977597
>>93977141
Hello, shill.
Goodbye, shill.

>>93976984
>not liking Warren Ellis
Way to quantify how shit your tastes are.

>>93978035
How can I like this guy? The first impression he's given me is his writing "talent" on these four episodes, and they were awful. The least he could have done it write it competently.

>>93976984
Why is it that the show's overall animation was more slides and stills than anything else? The studio they hired is extremely competent, but it seems like for every 1 second of animation they did, there was about 40 seconds worth of just standing around. Did they do this on a really short deadline or something?

>>93978071

I mean...can you explain why you didn't like it?

All you've done is said "lololol it was shit" so far with no actual opinions/reasons why.

>>93977080
>we should get Warren Ellis to write all the animes.

I liked X-men anime

>>93976984
>>93977782
>>93977978
Samefag

>>93976984
You're absolutely awful at articulating your opinions

I didn't like the church's portrayal and Trevor was annoying but I liked it fine it was better than Lords of Shadpw

>>93978071
What about the writing didn't you like? I found it to be pretty solid, especially considering that it's his first time writing for an animated series. Basically what >>93978100 said.

>>93978138
It certainly was more respectful of the source than Lords of Shadow

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Only thing I didn't care for was the over the top anti-Christianity.

I know the church wasn't great in medieval times, but the show literally has priests with weapons in literal gangs. And then they get brutally murdered because they have no redeeming or humanizing qualities. Not to mention the defacement and destruction of Christian symbolism.

I'm not a Christfag, but it was really trying hard.

>>93976984
Its amazing and not only do you have terrible taste for not liking it, but you are a fucking retard.

>>93978169
Not his first time. He wrote GI Joe: Resolute. Which was also pretty good.

>>93978138
>I didn't like the church's portrayal
It was accurate

>>93978188
I mean the Church as a political organization is clearly depicted as corrupt, but not the Faith. I mean the priest at the end was able to bless holy water meanwhile the Bishop was so far gone that God wouldn't keep demons from entering his church.

>>93978188
Thus posing as priests != The actual Church
It's like a large organisation can't have corrupt people in it after their own gain.
A demon flat out says God is real.

>>93978132
I'm the first two.

>>93978100
>>93978134
>especially considering that it's his first time writing for an animated series
That's irrelevant, if he had experience writing, he should have been able to keep cause and effect relatively solid, and it just wasn't smooth at all.

>>93978188
Okay, don't get me wrong, I could care less about any political or religious commentary. I wouldn't have minded that at all. But it was extremely naïve to claim that it was just one guy's fault that Dracula's wife was feared and burned. Like was it not obvious what century this took place in? I feel like the writer was just counter-signaling the idea that people can be easily led sheep that are all just as ignorant and cruel as anyone without even realizing it. Instead, it was "some priest was in control and totally could have prevented her and other people like the speakers from having any religious stigma because it's not like fucking everybody was religious and fearful of weird shit". It just seems unrealistic. Like if this were written like SotN (Japanese), Dracula would actually call out Alucard in the first episode for thinking it's just one guy's fault, but the writer actually intended it for one or two people to take the blame, so Dracula just goes berserk and attacks Alucard because he's right. I feel like the writing's not very good if you can't even make the bad guy's motives seem logical in any way. It should have been as simple as him missing her requesting that he not take it out on humanity for her execution, but instead they tried making a false context in which only one guy was to blame for it.

I had gone and described how I felt about the gratuitous immaturity, so I won't bring that up again. I guess if you like Deadpool, you'll like this cartoon.

>>93978188
Just the asshole bishops and his lackeys. They got what was coming but meanwhile a regular priest was able to make holy water and help with the demons. The institution is full of corruption and power hungry zealots but the faith is still there

(continued)

Then there's Trevor's motivation. It was just weird. I can understand a guy getting drunk because his bloodline was fucked over before they could be asked to take care of Dracula, but they way he "developed" into bothering about any of it seemed unnatural. "LOL oops looks like I whipped some guy's eye out but it's okay because he's clearly too immoral to be spared from such cruel and unusual punishment!"

Lastly, the part with the other asshole priest, when Trevor calls him out, and people aren't even like "is that true?" like they're all so weirdly quiet, and just blindly follow Trevor's rant about how corrupt he is to the point that they immediately kill the guy. The fuck was up with that?

>>93976984
Wow... all those ellipsis... really... made... your... blogpost... all the more... poignant...

>>93978291

Your response had absolutely nothing to do with what I said and actually further proves that you're shit at articulating your opinions.

>why didn't you like it
>IT WAS SHIT WRITING
>but why
>IT WAS SHIT AND NOT SMOOTH
>yeah but explain why
>LOL IRRELEVANT

also

>being so autistic that characters acting illogically/out of emotion is a foreign concept
>being completely unaware of the well recorded concept of groupthink/witch hunts/the bystander effect

yeah i don't think this show is for you. try k-on instead.

>>93978333
Look, I'm not a writer, okay? I can at least tell when something's shit.

>>93978327
To be fair if you run at a guy with a knife pulled after he told you to stop threatening to kill a old man, you deserve to get your shit kicked in.

>>93978327

>YOU HAVE TO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING A CHARACTER DOES GUYS OR IT'S BAD WRITING
>EVIL AND GOOD IS BLACK AND WHITE GUYS
>WHY DID THEY IMMEDIATELY FOLLOW THE GUY WHO CAN SAVE THEIR ASSES FROM DEMONS AND SHIT INSTEAD OF THE GUY TRYING TO KILL HIM I DON'T GET IT GUYS

it just gets more retarded with every post, jesus.

>>93978363
>ignoring and dismissing my arguments
>excusing characters as though they're deliberately supposed to be acting crazy
That one scene wasn't "groupthink", that was the writer taking his frustrations out on the antagonist. If it was "groupthink", we would at least have heard them say ANYTHING about why they were about to impale him with a pitchfork, like when the people were burning a woman out of fear of her.

>>93978413
That is fair, but do whips actually do that or is it like one of those classic Belmont chain whips?

>>93978421
Not an argument.

>>93978083
Well there were 4 episodes in total as of right now. It does seem like they were on a deadline. On the other hand, it could be that they're just testing the waters to see if enough people liked the show for it to continue on to the second season. That's my guess.

>>93978083
isnt this the same team that did one of the shorts for dante's inferno?

>>93978442
Whips break the sound barrier at the end when they crack. I imagine they can take your eye out if someone was properly trained with one in a magical fantasy land like a Belmont would be.

>>93978476
Wait, that just sounds like a lazy excuse, I mean, you could have had more fun with it in that case.

>>93978291
It was the bishop who proclaimed the science stuff and medicines in her home to be "devil stuff" though. Not to mention I doubt Dracula understands much about how humans and mob mentality works seeing how the only one he's ever interacted with in a long while was his wife.
And the anti-religion stuff does turn pro-religion when the demon reveals that god is real and isn't protecting the bishop on account that he was an asshole while another priest who was a good little boy was able to make holy water.

>>93978520
If you didn't notice Trevor pulled some crazy shit with the Vampire Killer later on.

>>93978563
Ontop of that, if demons actually exist in this world wouldn't people with better educations be able to tell the difference between regular stuff and devil stuff? This is pure speculation but if Drac did understand that not every random peasant could have spoken up without also being burned, he could have been referring to nobles and the Bishop himself who would be able to tell the difference.

>>93978563
>it was the bishop who proclaimed the science stuff and medicines in her home to be "devil stuff" though.
Am I incorrect in thinking that the people of that time would fear "science" as "witchcraft" in the first place? Like how it was originally religiously believed that the Earth was the center of the universe? Besides that, I really don't mind whether it's anti or pro-religion.

>>93978619
Getting an eye clean out was some crazy shit, so, whatever, I want to see some more of the show. I feel like 4 episodes could only get them so far, especially with how they worked with that.

>>93978630
That's just it, people weren't educated about this. This was well before Church and State were separated, and this impeded easily upon education itself. Dracula's wife getting burned for being a scientist was realistic and historically emulative, to say the least.

>>93978630
It's entirely possible that Drac would have expected somebody with power to speak up, but given the kind of era/world portrayed, there was no higher authority than the church. After all, the church speaks with God, and who has a higher authority than Him?

Another thing, Drac wasn't very fond of humans in the first place, he was only going out to learn about them as a man would to humor his wife. The burning of his wife was pretty much the straw that broke the camel's back, it's entirely possible that Drac didn't care at that point and just wanted to kill absolutely every motherfucker. He had probably been looking for an excuse for this for a long time.

>>93978695
Those 4 episodes are literally what the first movie was supposed to be.

>>93978748
>this was a "movie"
That's even worse!

>>93978736
He says himself she was the one reason he even tolerated humans.

>>93978695
Fair enough that the burning was realistic, but they were practically asking to be slaughtered by demons when they didn't leave after a giant flamming skull showed up and told them to piss off or die. If I saw that shit after burning a witch I'd be running for the damn hills, but they not only stayed. They celebrated the day they killed his wife.
You don't shit in the devils flower garden and respond to his death threats by mooning him.

>>93978834
Not really. For the first in a series of three movies it was pretty par for the course.

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>Castlevania is what passes for a good show on /co/

This entire board must be purged.

>>93976984

While I appreciate your attempt at writing softly, your bait skills are still too obvious.

What madness is this? Are people seriously pretending that an adaptation of a badly written game had any chance of being decent?

>>93978188

Because the priest was literally grabbing criminals and giving them frocks.

They weren't actual priests.

Did you miss the actual priest being able to bless the water?

OP needs to stop samefagging.

SAGE.

>>93978857
Actually, yeah, that's why I think I kind of liked when he just unleashed hell on that town. Again, Metalocalypse vibes, although not as comedically extreme.

>>93978920
The western animation industry needs to be saved from the ground up. Some cartoons this decade are good, so we have to work up from there.

>>93978956
That depends, are you talking about pre, during, or post-Iga Castlevanias?

>>93979005
I'm not pretending to be five people here, what do you want from me, a tripcode?

>>93978188
I agree, to the point that the last episode shocked me when it went God > church. Thought for sure they'd have the demon say there was no God.

>>93978956
The show is ten times better than Castlevania 3's ""story""

>>93979103
Castlevania was a video game with a focus on gameplay, well before there was time to write a huge story into a platform-adventure game. This was just practically filling in the spaces around what Castlevania 3 had.

>>93979092
Nah. Castlevania's big thing is that God exists. Holy magic is also a thing.

I think the more pressing question is: GRANT DANASTY WHEN

>>93976984
The animation was so fucking choppy
it was difficult to watch

>>93979092
Why in the name of FUCK would a demon ever say that there is no God? And if he did, why would you believe him? Their existence is literally predicated on the existence of the Devil, and therefore God as well.

>>93978370
...can you?...can you really?
...it sure doesn't seem like it....

>wastes a year to summon an army if demons to do his bidding instead of killing the humans himself

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>people claim it's anti christian when one of the main fucking themes is removing corruption from the church and restoring faith to the people
Boy I wonder how they reacted to the Hunchback of Notre dame?

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It was actually pretty good. and from the perspective of being something adapted from vidya, it's essentially god-tier.

the problems were some fedora-tippage, some fucked up pacing (this especially, had a real hard-on for dialog from non-characters) and exposition that went on way too long. Visually it was very on-point and the action scenes were magnificent.

that fight between alucard and trevor in particular confirmed my faith in the future of this project.

>>>/a/

get out of here now

>/co/ split down the middle so far
this show must be some thing

>>93976984
I disagree. I didn't have any expectations and it turned out to be not so bad after all. All the characters were likable, even Dracula himself and his wife. My complaint with it could be that the Church is seen as evil, but at least they don't say that the entire faith is, like the good priest in the final episode.
It's far from perfect but it was entertaining and i gladly watch s2 when it comes.
Solid 6/10 if you ask me

>>93978188
>over the top anti-Christianity.

Other people have said it, but I feel like adding to the point here that there was no anti-christian element here; this bishop was OVERTLY behaving in a crassly manipulative manner, pursuing his own small, petty, parochial concerns to the detriment of his church. When the demons confront him they even make it clear that his faith is no protection from them because he doesn't have any; he's a selfish, self-serving hypocrite.

This isn't even subtext you missed. It's in the text! You have to WANT to not get it to be this wrong.

>>93978695
>I want to see some more of the show.

You're in luck! It's already been renewed for a second season of eight episodes.

>>93979567

Written by an englishman, produced by a studio in Texas.

Sure is Japanesey!

>>93979281

He wanted the humans to have the time to savour the crawling terror of their oncoming doom. It was an act of sadism.

>>93979200

He's coming. Ellis said he couldn't find a way to make a pirate character make sense in a narrative set in a landlocked nation, but that he has a plan for him down the road.

>>93980214
>Other people have said it, but I feel like adding to the point here that there was no anti-christian element here
It was anti-Catholic, not anti-Christian.

>>93980310

In that time and place in history, the two concepts were essentially interchangeable.

>>93980295
Just make him a bandit/thief, or an arabic assassin if he wants to spice it up.

>>93980334
Except Romania was and still is an Orthodox Christian country.

People use buzzwords like "fedora" to describe it, then other people who have different interpretations of that buzzword assume it's a validation of their own feelings that it was anti-Christian or whatever.

I'm Catholic as fuck and after having read through multiple of these threads I feel as though the "it's anti-Christian" fags are just projecting. The "it's good for being anti-Christian" fags are also not only projecting but being huge smug pricks about it, not that I care.

>>93980506
I agree with those people who say it's not so much anti-christian, but more anti-catholic/anti-church-establishment, but there were times when it was railing against it so hard that it seemed to be going a little overboard.

As for using the church as an excuse to get Drac pissed, I thought it worked well enough. It was believable and held close enough to the nearly nonexistent lore of the Castlevania games.

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>>93976984
Oh brother, another weeabo fag.

Not a single fuck is given about your bitching.

>Warren Ellis

Well jesus christ I thought it was pretty good but now I'm fucking SOLD

>>93980953
There were a shitton of times that sects of the Church went against themselves and the anti-establishment one came out on top. One of my favorite film directors satirized over-the-top clergy displays but still wrote one of the greatest Catholic films of all time.

How militantly anti-religion is Warren Ellis in his other works?

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>>93978188
You should watch a good pro-christian show, like Rage of Bahamut
The angels and gods are portrayed as fallible and flawed.
The Archangel Gabriel is a villainous character.
The archdemon Azazel is portrayed as sympathetic. As are most of the suffering demons.
Most of the humans have sworn off religion, especially their edgelord king.
Also, Heaven is filled with black, muscular men.

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>>93981162
Very.

>>93977584
>>93977597
If you're going to attempt to samefag then at least make the same posts under 50 seconds, you retarded mongoloid.

Your taste is trash. Go back to redd1t, you fucking zombie.

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>>93976984
We are still in the 2010-2020 decade where edgy and dark without actually being charming, impressive, intimidating, intelligent is still the norm.

And the characters are still mentally retarded and stupid as all hell.

>>93978363
>>93978421
God I'd ban you for life and only allow you to post on 2 boards: /trash/ and /mlp/

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>>93976984
At least it wasn't anime tropes and cliches?! I guess? Why god why are we still stuck in 2010.

>>93976984
Could you sound any more like a faggot?

I don't get why a couple of faggots on /co/ keep shitting on this show.

Is it really just because the church are the bad guys? Well boo fucking hoo, you thin-skinned nancies. Get the fuck over your triggered selves already.

>>93982339
I just came for some kickass action and was severely disappointed, thats all i gotta say about this mediocrity

>>93982372
The fight between Trevor and Alucard alone was better than anything in any recent cartoons.

>>93978920
this

>>93982810
You need to watch more cartoons

>>93983019
Go ahead, don't be so shy. Name one.

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Why didn't they go with Simon Belmont as the protagonist given he is more iconic?

>>93983412
>implying kids even remember Captain N

Not everything needs to be a rehash of your childhood, Anon. We've got more than enough of that trash already.

>>93983412
This is based on the 3rd game, which has Trevor Belmont and actually comes before the first in the story. Assuming the series does well, they'll probably get to Simon Belmont soon enough.

>>93977202
>gore
What? Blood isn't gore.

>>93976984
that's why I stick to my anime mostly. Scooby doo Mistery Incorporated and Star vs being the exceptions.

>>93979339
Frollo was a judge the priest in the church was mainly against him.As an fyi they explicitly take out the line"the people" and replace it with church or bishop they don't make the people take responsibility for theyr actions they make them seem like innocent bystanders that are swept by the current wich it's not true.

>>93984447
You missed the severed heads and the entrails wrapped around the pikes? The baby being eaten,the child that was torn appart?

>>93981347
please everyone in that series is a shitlord, Azazel too. it may be sympathetic now but boy oh boy if I remember s1 and that shitty the terror attack. the real villain here is the King which is an asshole. And you know what? every single one of them has motivations to act in a certain way, is flawed and that's why this is a beautiful Nina.

>>93981347
I recommend Gabriel DropOut.

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>>93984747
Personally I'm more of a Jeanne kind of guy.
>kind and compassionate
>good friend and listener
>unbreakable
>single mom
>cute

She truly is divine.

>>93978035

He's more of a line cook than a chef

It has had quite a nice atmosphere so far, and most scenes are slow enough to get a feeling for the world. The amount of gore in the city really drives home the desperation and agony in the city.

Animation has been decent so far. Not sure what kind of budget they are on, but the action scenes feel solid.

There are some pacing issues in the first two episodes and I wouldn't call it a perfect show, but it has potential to be a good series.

The only thing really missing is the classic music. I want some adaption of bloody tears and vampire killer in the background score.

>>93980953
>As for using the church as an excuse to get Drac pissed, I thought it worked well enough. It was believable and held close enough to the nearly nonexistent lore of the Castlevania games.

Lisa's death is pretty much exactly the same in game lore

I've watched it so far and I'm sickened by the anti-catholic doctrine of this show. For starters, they burned a witch, second, the church would not stay quiet as dracula prepares a vengeance, it would send its best hunters to kill that abominable menace.

This show knows nothing of church or the inquisition.

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>>93976984

It's pretty good, but I'm really disappointed by the continuing lack of Sypha piss porn.

I cant even bring myself to watch the last two episodes.

>terrible pacing
>the entire conversation between dracula and his wife made me glad she died so her voice actor could stop.
>the church is run by an asshole who is apparently too stupid to leave, make preperations, or i dont know hire the local and convenient MONSTER KILLERS.
>more terrible pacing
>lol goat fucking, lol testicles
>shitty drunken fight scene full of crap animation.
>the only thing accurate about trevor is the puffiness of his coat.
>not!jews
>oh sure our town is barricaded, beset by literal fucking demons, garlanded in intestines, and we are all going to die like pigs, but lets all be calm and slightly racist.

it was shit. I expected better. it was essentially just a vehicle for some gore and maybe a fight scene or two in the later episodes that they blew all thier animation budget on.

/co/ has abysmally low standards.

>>93977080
I don't rate what he did with Castlevania that much but I would watch Ellis' interpretations of all the cliché anime genres

>>93986245
Anon, are you me?

>one whole episode wasted on Dracula's reasoning for attacking people
>somehow still horribly rushed
A random grill casually walks into his castle, she just trusts him and in five minutes he trusts her. We didn't even get a beauty and the beast thing, which would be interesting, but most importantly, why are we seeing this on the top of the show instead of this being revealed later as a "Dracula had his reasons" type thing?

Instantly burned at the stake and we get to know our cartoonishly edgy evil bishop, laughing and being a general dick while she gets burned. It's one of those church vs science thing, but it doesn't work because Dracula really has demonic powers?

The rest of the episode is a laughable threat from Dracula, followed back to back by him using the same fire trick to tell the people he is pissed because no one took him seriously.

Then we get to Trevor Belmont, maybe this show is about to get good?
Nope, five minutes wasted on a ridiculous dialog where we get to know how much of rednecks are the townspeople. "Lolol I fucks the sheeps", "btw, you are my brother and my cousin because my father fucked his cousin". Episodes ends with them talking to the camera about how much they will kill those Belmont when they get their hands on them. Trevor Belmont's close up, "gulp".

>NEXT EPISODE
Trevor instantly goes up to them revealing himself for no reason, and gets beat up like a dog. The show proceeds to follow our hero as he shows no personality other than being an edgelord and does a whole bunch of nothing.

Let's not even discuss the slide show animation.
The pacing of this show is like they are purposefully trying to skip the interesting parts, while taking their time to focus on the most dull moments. Maybe it's one of those social experiments: What if we release a show with no content, no characters, with the only personality being some 1 dimentional cliche? The answer is critical acclaim apparently.

I expected Castlevania Lords of the Shadow Spinnoff, instead I got this?

you know why I'm mad? from what people told me, the archbishop, did it all by himself. during the Inquisition? no fucking way.
firstly, it would have been under the Roman Catholic Inquisitision
secondly, they needed at least one general Inquisitor, which should have conduct a process, trying to convert her first and burn here if that was the only option. processes ending up with burning witches were extremely rare anyway.

thirdly, if the bishop were found to have killed a witch by himself and he was found out, he would have been processed and excommunicated instantly

fourtly, you know who the beasts were during that time? the motherfucking protestants. muh personal faith my ass
But I

>>93987282
>But I
But I shouldn't expect any less by Ellis, fuck that edgelord.

>>93986834
the really funny part is that lisa really did get her science straight from what the church could consider the devil.

which is proven even further when dracula unleashes an army of actual demons from his hellfire castle.

why the hell the wife of dracula couldnt defend herself from the church's enforcers is beyond me.

and this is the pilot episode, which is supposed to be one of the most interesting.

>>93986834
>making it better

instead of pointlessly cutting a bat out of the air Lisa is a bit rattled by their sudden appearance. this makes her more human and relatable.

she confronts dracula as before. she is afraid but unwilling to budge in the face of Draculas annoyance/rage at being bothered by a peasant.

roasted garlic line is cut because it is retarded, noone takes roasted garlic on a wilderness trip.

dracula wonders why she hasnt fled and herds her further into his castle monologueing about peasants and idiocy.

reach the locked study. simple puzzle lock hearkens to common gaming themes. to Draculas surprise Lisa solves it effortlessly and marvels at the wonders displayed within showing genuine appreciation.

Lisa pleads to learn from him, gets dread pirate robinsed. "you can stay for now, but Ill most likely kill you in the morning."

cut to X years later. married with clinic. dracula is loving husband. Lisa is scientist/doctor helping the locals with their pluages and shit. Determined to live as a mortal Dracula takes long trips as a merchant to provide for his wife. she has to stay to care for the old woman who shows up later. its only a few months silly man, not a problem. and if you are so lonely hurry home quickly.

dracula leaves, but astute eyes watch the house from the road with evil intent.

cut to a scene with Lisa being captured. house is on fire, but chuech troops still pour in. she kills one or two but is dragged before the corrupt priest anyway. he offers to release her for money/sex/betraying someone but she refuses.

burn the witch.

dracula returns, wife dead. her charred skeletal corpse still stands nailed to the post where she died. cue insane rant. priests and townsfolk assemble not believong this guy at first until he bursts onto flaming skull mode and vanishes promising revenge.

the church actively kills those who try to flee and blame their deaths on monsters.

the belmonts say "fuck that".

the church says "no, fuck you."

>>93978174
Lords of Shadow is an reboot set on an alternate universe. It was supposed to be different.

>>93977080
>still waiting for Nextwave anime animated by Trigger.

>>93976984
Castlevania is great.

Shorter than I expected.

But also a completely different tone that I expected.

LaughingAtGore/10

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>>93978188
it was perfectly realistic