>> I think a lot of adult women like Harley because she's

>>93970020

Great. Nice sentiment.

The character is still a psychotic bitch, however.

I guess if that's what they want to take away from it.
They seem to be ignoring quite a bit about her but...I guess whatever makes them happy.

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>>93970020

During the Batman: The Animated Series days I knew a lot of female Harley fans.

The reason: because she was a funny character. That was it.

>>93970020
Women like ehr because they want to be abused and not held accountable and dress like whores in public.

Tsk tsk fmeale power fantasies.

>>93970020
>I think a lot of adult women like Harley because she's tough with an attitude and she told her abusive and troublemaking boyfriend to get fucked (even though he showed back up at the end of the film)
Harley/Joker on Suicide Squad was basically 50 Shades of Grey, the fanboy-friendly edition. DC is currently pushing Harley/Joker even on the comics because they found a new cashcow. Where this abusive relationship bullshit fit in all of this?

>>93970020
Did you watch the movie? Joker isn't even abusive in the film and the horde of fan girls are crazy about Leto

People glamorize unhealthy shit, film at 11.

>>93970274
those women were obviously brainwashed by men

>>93970020
>Character bases her appearance and personality entirely on her abusive ex-boyfriend
>Women find this fun and inspiring

>>93970020
I have spent years honing my ability to hide my power level. Anytime a woman starts talking about Harley Quinn as a positive character I keep my fucking mouth shut because they never actually describe Harley Quinn accurately and it would do no good to try and 'educate' someone blissfully ignorant.
Inside I weep pure hate.

>>93971910
This, he electroshocks her to give her Joker Powers, then spends the rest of the film mooning over her and doing his damnedest to rescue her from her situation with the Squad.

Women dug Harley Quinn in the movies (even my old Mom mentioned specifically how she liked her in a movie she didn't like overall) because she's allowed to be sassy and vexing and tough instead of the Team Mom or the Stoic Badass (see Katana) that women usually get stuck with.

>>93972035
That's good, because they don't CARE about the Harley Quinn that is in your little boy comic books.

They really don't, not even a little.

Adult women like Harley because they have fantasies of being like her. She's the female equivalent to James Bond.

>>93970020
Are these woman completely misunderstanding the character or am I missing something? Because Harley's whole thing is being in an abusive relationship with Mista J but always going back to him because dumb reasons

>>93972112
>Are these woman completely misunderstanding the character
Yes, but I can't really blame them for that. After Suicide Squad and Injustice, the feminist icon Harley is what we're stuck with for the forseeable future.

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> I think a lot of adult women like Harley because she's tough with an attitude and she told her abusive and troublemaking boyfriend to get fucked
>Movie makes a point about how she stills misses him
>Movie makes a point on trying to make their relationship legitimately "romantic"
I seriously don't get people. Why do people bitch about some girl wearing a tank top in a Jumanji reboot as sexist, but then everyone looks at this, a setup that makes relationship abuse look romantic, and think "Wow, this is so empowering to woman".

Is everyone insane? Am I insane?

>>93972112
Women have a really weird thought process, they damn abusive relationships and assholes, yet at the same time they love a character whose whole character revolves around being in an unhealthy abusive relationship and get their panties wet over actual psychopaths.
No, really, there's hundreds of tumblr blogs that are basically fangirling over actual murderers like Ted Bundy or Charles Manson, it's fucking bizarre.

>>93972188
>The Joker's handiwork is spreading insanity in the real world.
And people say hypercrisis isn't real.

>>93972048
I just want them to care anon. I just want some one to care
>>93972112
>Are these woman completely misunderstanding the character
Yes.

>>93972188
>People call sexism over the Jumanji girl
>Pantie shorts and fishnet Harley is a feminist icon
At this point I don't even try to understand the logic of SJW's and feminists, everything just seems to be a random coin flip

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>>93972230
>>93972188

>>93972373
Thinking relationship abuse is bad is not "with it"?

>>93972255
>At this point I don't even try to understand the logic of SJW's and feminists, everything just seems to be a random coin flip
Back in the hay day of my youth I used to chase girls with the 'alt' look. Crazy hair, piercings, tats. Most of these types hung around the feminists and weird trendy 'not punk' clubs. To make a long story short I had a pegging fantasy and these bitchs? Humiliation and rape play.
Go figure.

>>93972188
>Movie makes a point about how she stills misses him
Live-action Harley never told her Joker to "get fucked." They got separated by Batman and Harley got locked up. Joker spent the rest of his free time trying to get back to her.

>a setup that makes relationship abuse look romantic
A toxic romance works both ways. Consider characters like Bonnie and Clyde, or Johnny Bartlet and Patricia Ann Bradley from the Frighteners movie. These are characters who, as a couple, are completely dysfunctional, and yet in their own twisted way, they still find a meaningful connection with each other.

I get that Joker punishes Harley. But the same thing happens between Morticia and Gomez Addams, and those two couldn't be happier together. I guess my point is that, despite the abuse, both of them are fucked up enough to the point where the abuse is irrelevant. So it's not really empowering for women per se, but it's not demeaning to women either. It's just a romanticism of insanity.

>>93972400
Adhering to old, out-dated "In an abusive relationship" Harley Quinn is not "with it".

>>93972520
>Morticia and Gomez Addams
I really don't think we should bring those two into a discussion about domestic abuse.

Right not WB thinks they are sitting on two actual superhero characters with direct appeal to the teen female audience.
Not the jaded, slutty twenty-somethings, but the PG crowd tween and young teens.

You can expect Harley Quinn to remain family-friendly for the foreseeable future.

>>93972533
>Adhering to old, out-dated "In an abusive relationship" Harley Quinn is not "with it"
>"In an abusive relationship" Harley Quinn
>old, out-dated
DC never walked it back anon. They want their cake and to eat it too so how they're portraying Harley Quinn's relationship with the Joker varies but it's always dysfunctional and always abusive and she always still loves him to her detriment.

if Harley isn't locked in a perpetual abusive relationship that sort of destroys the point of her character.
Her super power is super-battered wife syndrome. She isn't a role model.

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>>93970020
I knew a super edgy girl who loved the batman series and basically self inserted as the Harley and/or the Joker. She told me a few times that the idea of torturing and killing someone turned her on, and that the murderer/victim have a relationship she described as intimate and close, because the murderer gets to see the side of a victim no one else does, which is pretty much what the joker said in the dark knight, and probably other times. Never called the delusional cunt out on it though

I remember some girl having to be told that being stalked and harassed was NOT romantic, since it was written to be in Fifty Shades.

>>93972520
>I get that Joker punishes Harley. But the same thing happens between Morticia and Gomez Addams
When? Those two doted on each other constantly, I watched a ton of the original show and honestly can't think of a single time they even criticized each other. The whole joke of the Adams Family show was that despite their evil goth style, they were a happy nuclear family.

>>93972188

They cut out all the domestic abuse in the movie, which was stupid. You could argue that it was still abusive but the writing and editing in Suicide Squad were so shitty that the plot and characterization were nigh-incomprehensible so I wouldn't expect the audience to even pick up on most of what was going on.

I would say that Harley/Joker shippers are a pretty niche group to begin with and the group of those that think of it as a positive relationship and not some edgy horrible thing to write about are very tiny.

After all liking a story about something isn't the same thing as thinking it's okay in reality. Consider all the fanfiction and fan art about all of the characters in a show dying or some shit. People might like to write and draw angst and gore but it's only the one in a billion whacko who approves of it and is going to go shoot a bunch of people.

>>93970020
>xteal2 is drawing harley quinn
N-nani??

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The character Harley Quinn doesnt exist anymore. Like a lot of popular things, they get watered down and warped to appeal to the widest audience possible to the point where people forgot what made it good in the first place. I prefer Harley as a cautionary tale, not some loony tune anti hero immune to all consequence

>>93972786
Wouldn't Ivy be against going vegan since she loves plants?

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I bet they could bring Mister J and Harley back to their roots

>>93972786
Dini or not, I still can't stand the Harley/Ivy so-pure bullshit.

>>93972930
They basically made her into Tank Girl

>>93970020
I've fucking hated harley since she showed up in TAS and I'll tell you what, I'm baffled that of all things one could take away from that show Harley had to get top billing in the hearts of the fans. Despite how much everyone curcle jerks over her character and waifuing her to death, my disdain for her has only grown over the years.

>>93973057
Arent those the anoying fucks from chappy?

>>93973068

I feel like giving Poison Ivy healthy relationships kind of undoes the entire point of her character. She's a walking date rape drug, a personification of using sexuality to manipulate and abuse people. She shouldn't have any sort of genuine affection for Harley.

>>93970274
Before the Arkham games, New 52, and Suicide Squad movie, liking Harley meant somebody had taste.

If someone tells you they like Harley these days, it generally means they are not worth speaking to.

>>93972930
I miss classic Harley

>>93973170
You can still like Harley, just not "Harley". Most comic readers I've run into know shes not even the same character anymore and prefer the old days. Casuals fucking ruin everything

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>>93973197

>>93970020
>girls are whores
>identify with a whore
It's not that hard.

>>93972782
That anon mistakes masochism for domestic violence. The Addams Family liked pain and pointless stunts but it's like saying the Grouches from Sesame Street were abusive because they fed each other sardine parfaits. That's just what they liked

>>93972943
Never thought of it that way. So she's a carnivore?

>>93973170
Ironically out of all those thing SS movie Harley is the closest to TAS Harley personality wise.

>>93973133

Not him, but that's Die Antewood. Their music sucks, and that grey alien looking chick is fucking atrocious.

>>93973068
>>93973154
Harley's relationship with Ivy exists to show how much better her life would be without the Joker, and how broken she is for not realizing it.

>>93973740
Harley/Ivy will never NOT be shit. It destroys both characters.

>>93972943
Reminds me of that comic ICS drew where Harley tells Ivy she wants to change her identity to "The Humanitarian", a villain who loves humans so much that she only eats human flesh and dresses in their skin.

>>93973808
>Anon gives a valid reason why Harley/Ivy exists
>Nuuh-uhh it doesn't fit MY parameters.

gg anon

>>93970274

It was more than that. I haad a friend who loved Harley too. Watched those episodes, bought the comics (when they eventually came) and even made herself a Harley outfit TAS style.

If I remember right she loved the character because the way she put some characters in their place (those college kids in Harley & Ivy or that mobster that showed up for those two episodes that centered on her). She also loved Lady Death and Purgatory. I do miss talking to her.

>>93974181
How does she feel about current Harley

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>>93972188
>Why do people bitch about some girl wearing a tank top in a Jumanji

Wait, what?
Is this fucking real?
Do people actually need to find a reason to call this sexist?
It's a fucking jungle environment and it's hot as shit. Why would she wear anything else. I see women wearing less right fucking now in July because Jersey is a humid shithole.
I can't understand feminists. I can't no matter how hard I try. Nothing good has ever come from third wave feminism and nothing ever will.

So what's the deal with poison Ivy? She hates animals and humans especially, but also wants to fuck batman?

>>93974506
Everyone wants the batcock, anon.

>>93974610
They really don't. Bat-Harem is just a side effect of the Batwank power fantasy. Aside from Selina and Talia, no one in his rogues gallery cares.

>>93972037
no, the electroshocks were there cause they were in the trailer so the director disguised them as quirky, the original ideas was joker turtoring Harley but people didn't like an abusive Joker so now Joker loved Harley but what were they going to do with the scenes were supposed to be in the film? well, time to disguise them, in the trailer Harley was afraid well now Harley wanted that electroshocks hehe

>>93972048
however DC needed to use her name, they could have used a new character but in part she needed real Harley's background and story, Suicide Squad Harley is nothing without classic Harley, besides Harley wasn't a comic character but an icon for the animated series, a generation grew up with that series.

>>93972188
Why are you talking about an abusive relationship still, the stupid clown wasn't abusive in the film.

>>93972255
BINGO

It's not about being consistent, it's about flipping to whatever side of the coin currently allows them to preen in their supposed moral authority and shriek bloody murder at people they don't like. Go look at the dimorphism of thought surrounding Shantae games and how columnists will quite literally reverse their opinion to look good.

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>>93970020

>>93975774
I have so much Harley SFM porn it's ridiculous.
There's one loop where the Joker fucks her from behind with a maniacal look on his face and she's wearing this costume. Gallons of semen were spilled for that one.

Or because DC won't stop shoving her in everyone's face.

>>93970020
My cousin as well has a full sleeve of Harley going down her left arm. The patterned I've noticed is that these women are incredibly trashy.

I still wish the joker pushed her into the acid instead of her jumping

>>93970108
id fuck her so fucking hard id do anything for her to do everything i need that puss so fucking bad

>>93975192
>Twists her mentally.
>Pushes her into a vat of toxic whatever
>Abandons her to drown
>Uses her as a pawn and sexual object in the club scene.
>Not abusive.

Watch the film then comment.

>>93976533
>twist her mentally

That wasn't in the film

>Pushes her into a vat of toxic whatever

No, he didn't push her

>Uses her as a pawn and sexual object in the club scene.

People really don't understand the scene, Joker is supposed to be a jealous sick bastard but the scene wasn't good I guess. Joker wasn't trying to sell Harley or something he wanted to kill the guy from the beginning. Why could he kill the guy? in this film Harley and Joker were playing with the guy and that's pretty stupid but that's what the writer wanted to say. It's clearer in the novel

>Watch the film then comment

You should understand the film and then comment

>>93976533
Oh fuck off. They seriously downplayed Harley's abuse and actually made them a loving couple for fuck sake

>>93975908
>Trashy women are drawn to an incredibly trashy movie icon
Who knew?
I'm talking about Suicide Squad Harley,
not original Harley

>>93976533
faggot

>>93975469
That is Harley in disguise. That speech is supposed to show how deluded she is.

>>93975192
>>93972533
There was literally a Joker torturing Harley. Granted it was only 30 seconds long but it just shows how the writers are really trying to hurdle over the awkward fact that a large part of their interaction is abuse.

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>>93972520
>mistaking happy consensual masochism for literal domestic abuse
>unironically comparing the most based couple in existence to the garbage that is Joker x Harley

>>93972786
The page for the victims of a terrorist attack again he he he Morrison, Snyder, William R ( the guy who wrote Flag was Harley's lover) and every DC writer words something gay for that special book

>>93977788
>There was literally a Joker torturing Harley

No, that was the trailer, in the film the same scene happened but this time harley wasn't afraid and she said "It's OK, I can take it" all smiling, they twisted the scene to suggest something akin to "I like the pain"

>>93977788
Except the fact that she was literally begging for it and was acting like a masochist. They completely neutered any and all abuse the character had. Christ, Joker saves her life and breaks her out of prison in this shithole of a movie. The fact is they werent comfortable using the material and instead opted for the cancerous shipping crap casuals love when looking at this pair

>>93972035
ACSHCHUALLY in issue 144 of no one gives a damn.

>>93973154
>I feel like giving Poison Ivy healthy relationships kind of undoes the entire point of her character.
Agreed 100%. This is also why I dislike the idea of Poison Ivy actually being infatuated with Batman. She is the sexiest lady in Gotham and the one who most openly embodies sexual subtext in every aspect of her character, and yet she is the only female in the Rogues gallery not trying to get into Batman's pants.

But I'd okay with Harley x Ivy being buddies if it wasn't for how it not only undermined the point of Ivy's character, it literally became the point of Ivy's character.
I guarantee you 95% of the people that like Poison Ivy (not just as fapbait) only do it because she is Harley's girlfriend, and they are only interested in her as long as she is Harley's girlfriend. And thus, everything she does now seems to revolve around Harley.

NuHarley is like an unholy black hole of a character that is not only bad on her own, but seems to actively makes the characters surrounding her worse.

>>93970020
It depends on what iteration of Harley the individual is talking about.

Every girl on my facebook who talks about Harley only knows the DC movie Suicide Squad version. Even the actress for her expressed confusion for a lot of her overly sexualized scenes. Yeah, original Harley is kind of a bimbo even in the original cartoon but fuck, give her an actual fucking COSTUME. When did she get reduced to a baseball tee (Which doesn't fit with her character at all) and booty shorts?


Literally any other Harley can support this since even the original Harley from TAS at some points realized she was being mistreated and would dip on the Joker (Only to run back into his arms the second he showed he 'changed.')

Harley is a lesson to be learned from, not someone to look up to and unfortunately she keeps getting worse with each iteration.

>>93978622
*wrote

They wrote something gay

>>93973068
Dini didn't write a HarleyIvy in his life so don't worry instead he's busy writing HarleyJoker in Backups just now.

>>93973585
Nah, Arkham Harley was closer for a while when Dini wrote her in Asylum for example, she had more fanservice but still Harley.

>>93973635
Their music is great depending on which song you listen to, and they acknowledge themselves as ugly. They just don't give a fuck about what americans think.

>>93973133
Check out Die Antwoord for yourself. If you like rap with a techno kinda sound you'll like them. They aren't for everyone and they're freaky fucked up people so their videos are weird as shit. Baby's on fire is the most normal out of any of them.

Yolandi's cute depending on the video but has zero ass :'(

>>93972786

>going vegan just for her


But why would Ivy eat her babies?

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that bound and gagged level.

>>93975819
Mind sharing in /aco/?

>>93970020
This picture is destroying my dick

>>93973028
The Joker/Harley vs Batgirl/Robin fight was so good and this was the icing on the cake. Not even for sexual reasons it was classic BTAS Harley.

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>>93973553
I feel this is kinda related to the classic.

>>93973170
I still love harley
never saw or played Arkham games or suicide squad

>>93970020
If harley is a symbol if female empowerment, does this mean that bayonetta will stop triggering feminists now?

>>93970020
Dosen't she actually do that in the comics?

I don't read Harley Quinn because I don't find it funny.

>>93972198
People in general are too retarded to interpret anything. Women think JokerxHarley is romantic and say that they have rape fantasies because they're too stupid to articulate that they like feeling pursued/dominated. Men believe that pretending to be someone's friend is romantic and think they're in love with 9/10s that they spoke to twice and have nothing in common.

>"Harley with Joker" Harley
>"Harley with Ivy" Harley
>"Indepedent Harley" Harley

Given all the reboots and mediums she's been in, plus brainwashings, psychotherapies, and chemical manipulation/s, people pick the Harley they like best and say, "Harley's great!"

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>>93976002
That shit right there anon, that's why she'll never fuck you.

>>93974114
Anon defending Harley/Ivy was talking about some fanfic she/he read, that isn't like that in comics or the animated series.

People can have preferences, but one thing bothers me the most, and they do this in the comics now too.

Why the hell do people act like she's a hero/anti-hero? She's a fucking murderer. I get that she's trying to turn over a new leaf after leaving MrJ, but even in recent runs, she kills people. But Batman would rather work with her and let free afterwards instead of taking her to jail to take responsibility for her horrible crimes.

In Injustice, she's painted as a loving mother and dear friend to team Bats, but she literally helped nuke Metropolis, killing millions. She is not a hero, she is a vile human. Quit looking up to her.

>>93982451
No.

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In TAS wasn't Harley just some annoying obssessive fangirl and that was why the joker always beat the shit out of her? It's not like she was ever completely innocent

>>93985525
i mean, shit, female empowerment? what about batwoman? hawkgirl? Supergirl? Fucking Wonder Woman?? Nope, I'm weird and quirky, I relate more to Harley Quinn!

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>>93971982
and the evil conspiracy of men known as the patriarchy that totally exists.

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>>93982429
lucky you

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mfw DC and idiot feminists think a Batman super villain should be molded into a role model when they already have plenty of super heroines

>>93985934
She's a psycho stalker in TAS that the Joker desperately tries to get rid of but somehow refuses to die.

>>93973470
>That's just what they liked
And that's what Harley likes. She doesn't like getting snubbed by Joker though, which was why she originally left him in the comics pre-reboot.

>>93975819
I can't get off to Joker having sex. It's too unrealistic and Joker just creeps me out.

I do like the SFM vids where Joker gets cucked though.

>>93985525
Off the top of my head, batman villains who have had redemption/anti-hero arcs:

>Two-Face
>Riddler
>Catwoman
>Azrael
>Basil Karlo Clayface
>Red Hood
>Poison Ivy
>Bane

Trying to make villains good is a whole thing for Batman.

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>>93970020
No you fucking imbecile, it's the same reason men like Tony Montana, it's the same reason men like Billy the kid, it's the same reason insecure betas in /co/ like Lex Luthor.

It's simple escapism from a life of living under rules. Harley and joker are no different than Syd and Nancy in the mind of girls, Harley has a fun life, it's sexy and its funny. She doesn't dangerous shit and usually get away with breaking the law. The attractive of the character for a girl it's extremely simple and has nothing to do with your /r9k/ fantasies.

People like heroes and villians, and girls want the prince charming and yet still want the bad boy, it's simple fantasy, escapism and entertainment. Liking Harley is no different than liking fucking wolverine, both are shit, but they don't have to justify liking some simple and fun premise.

>>93987230
>azrael
>villian

>>93970274
this. old harley best harley. new just tries too much.
but eh

>>93970020
So her fans are a bunch of people who made stupid choices in life and are angry and defiant towards others because of it.

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>>93978543
You're still not getting it. I made the comparison to the Addams because both are a twisted form of romance. To a normie, Morticia and Gomez are completely nuts and the opposite of what a couple should be, but Morticia and Gomez adore each other absolutely.

I'm not sure what you think the Joker/Harley relationship is, because it varies from medium to medium. Joker smacked Harley around in the Timm/Dini universe because it was funny. It referenced The Honeymooners, but in an obviously twisted way. In the Suicide Squad film, Harley accepted the electroshock treatment, and freely chose to jump into a dangerous vat of chemicals so she could prove her devotion to Joker.

Harley sticks with Joker despite his flaws because love makes people crazy. But that's what love is for everyone. The Ropers from Three's Company, Archie And Edith Bunker, Al and Peg Bundy, Frank and Marie Barone, all had plainly disfunctional relationships that often saw put downs and insults thrown around. But love means accepting the flaws of your partner and loving them DESPITE those flaws. Harley loves Joker for this reason, even though he doesn't always return the affection. But again, physical violence is involved because Joker and Harley are literally insane.

The difference with New52 was that Joker simply stopped caring about Harley completely, and tried to kill her. That "killing dozens of Harleys" retcon was dumb, and I do believe it was recently retconned away. But that was just one of the reasons for the split. Harley was basically just tired of being ignored.

>>93987230
sure, but I don't think she turned into a hero. maybe in some writers' storylines, but batman also believes in accountability. Christ, he turns himself in whenever he is forced to commit murder. #lockherup

>>93988083
I like when the origin where Harleen is a very restrained person controlled by society, Joker frees her from that, and then she gets freed from the Joker, either by herself or via Ivy.

I also like the idea that Harley's main flaw is compassion, because it's an effective way of demonstrating how compassion can be a flaw.

>>93987435
Wolverine, Tony Montana, Billy the Kid, and Lex Luthor were never portrayed as someone's bottom bitch you dumbass. This is a complete false equivalency. All those individuals have power and authority, people take them seriously and they fuck shit up. Harley Quinn is the opposite. She's a slave, subject to the whims of the fucking Joker, and spends most of her time applying makeup over her bruises and making excuses about how Mistah J "really loves her." It's the exact opposite of the power fantasies that you supplied as """counter""" examples. A more accurate comparison to Harley fantasies is going to homo /v/ threads and reading all the people who want to be kept as Bowser's rape slave or some shit. Hint: those are also seen as highly degenerate by the larger community, like how wanting to be Harley is seen as degenerate.

>>93988387
Tony Montana was everyone's bottom bitch for like half the movie.

>>93988387
You didn't understand the fucking point.

>>93988387
Lex Luthor is a small dicked bald manlet that is insecure as fuck.

>>93973133
Since both answers you got didn't mention it at all.Yes, they are those fucks from Chappy.

>>93970274
Harley in BTAS was a good example of a flawed character who could still be charming.

Now, Harley is basically a typical flawless yet 'troubled' female self-insert.

>>93972520
I don't ever recall reading about Clyde seducing Bonnie from a mundane yet promising career, using subtle manipulation and outright torture to shatter her mind, and starting a career of supervillainy. They're more like Starkweather and Fugate. Which still works for your argument that ignorant normies romanticize and elevate toxic relationships, because they had a bizarre number of apologists. They even both have a connection to Dylan songs.

>>93987008
No, that was in the comic in 1999, TAS was very different, there Harley was "his wife" for a while meaning they behaved like a married couple until the adaptation of Mad Love as the last episode of the series.

>>93985934
You haven watched TAS, Dini wrote her as a henchwoman and then as his girlfriend. Joker beat her once in the episode called Mad Love, the last episode, adaptation of the comic with the same name published in 1994, at the time it was published it didn't influence the TV show except that Harley became Joker's girlfriend.

>>93970020
Dem thicc legs. The artist knows what is up.