ITT: visual changes in a cartoon that constantly upset you >Peter

>>93966143
>Spongebob becomes more square
Fucking this

They went from an unique art style to shitty easy to animate shit.

>>93966143
I didn't care for Suzy's post-S1 redesign in Johnny Bravo.

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This infuriated me as a child as much as it does today.

Eris started out like a beta design, and was alright. Her next appearance was immediately her best design and they used that for a while. Then they fucked it all up for all of her future appearances and shat out whatever the fuck that last design is.

>>93966423
THIS. FUCKING THIS. NOTHING WILL EVER MAKE ME AS MAD AS THIS

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I miss when South Park tried harder to emulate the construction paper look. I guess a lot of people thought it was ugly.

>>93966483
is it bad that I actually liked that they moved choppier?

Nowadays the characters move so fluent that it's so mediocre for something that was intended to look like construction paper. Things became more detailed in ways that you couldn't even recreate poorly with construction paper too.

>>93966423
>model sheet with Limb Enhancers
Without Limb Enhancers:
>fan vector
>model sheet
>generic Peri
>Raven Molisee drawing
>Raven Molisee drawing
>Raven Molisee drawing

Ben 10 post-OS
the debut of alien force had me S E E T H I N G
I came around to Omniverse about halfway into its run
Reboot left me feeling numb

>>93966423
two on the far left are the only acceptable choices

>>93967220
who cares

>>93967465
that's the point yeah

>>93966301
>Windows XP
>Windows 7
>Windows 10

>Dexter had a serious look and two buttons on his... i don't know... shirt? during the first two seasons

>>93966143
OG Gumball was the cutest desu

>>93969821
This, I hated her S2design, its so boring and it looks like it's going to keep getting worse for female Wakfu MCs.

>>93969821
Wow shit taste

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Boy oh boy, it surely would be a shame if something were to happen to my art style

>>93966423
I've been considering watching this show but this image is one of the things discouraging me. Is it really that bad?

>>93970279
It's not constant. Like all characters, her height changes depending on who's boarding a scene.

>>93967314
I actually didn't mind the art shift for alien force. I felt like it matched the grimdark tone they were going for, and it was an acceptable shift.

Also, AF/UA had the best VA for Azmuth. So it had that going for it

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>>93970006
I feel you. That face now is pretty awful .

>>93966423
every. single. time.

>>93966423
Welcome to the world of Pokemon!

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Most of the redesigns for The New Batman Adventures sucked ass and did little to make the characters stand out more. Some aspects worked but overall it was a huge misstep.
I don't even really understand why they changed it. I guess they felt they wanted to make the show look more anime-ish or modern.
Joker and Penguin got it the worst in my opinion but at least Joker's role didn't change, unlike Penguin, who was completely robbed of his personality and relegated to cameos.

At least The Scarecrow got a huge upgrade. But even then he only had a major role in 1 episode.

>>93969821
the change in design was because they needed to differentiate eva from `generic female cra design`
i like the season 2 design personally. both are good

>>93970739
Mutant DeVito Penguin running a high society nightclub doesn't really work

>>93969821
season 2 has thigh high boots, if we talk waifu quality wise, thats an improvement

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>>93970906
He doesn't need to be. If their goal was to make him look more human and refined, as was their original intention, there's a ton of ways they could have approached it.
This sketch Bruce Timm made of Danny DeVito in costume would have worked perfectly. Even their original sketch from the Writer's Bible would have been much better.

But what they did was make him as humanly bland as possible and stick him in the Iceberg Lounge (as the comics did) to be relegated to cameos.
Look at his TNBA design. How in the hell is this supposed to convey any sort of emotion ? He conveys no character or flair, and as a result Paul Williams had nothing to work with so the character sounded bored too.
His TAS design was a perfect blend of Golden/Silver Age Penguin and Burton's Penguin which made him really expressive and animated. His TNBA design was a bland and disinterested one-note caricature that looks more like a background character (which is exactly what he became).

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>>93966143
>the art gets more "clean" and more "on-model" every season
I fucking hate this shit. It makes everything looks soulless

>>93968171
kek

>>93966423
The fuck is the context with these?

Gumball has fine plots, but man I hate how the art style quickly rotted.

By the way, wasn't there an episode of Season 1 where all the characters had squiggly lines? I think it was that the field trip into scary forest episode or something.

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>>93973460
The Picnic? The art of that episode is just beautiful. Gumball looks so bad now

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>>93973592

>>93966143
flash truly was the worst thing to happen to animation

>>93973592
>>93973626
It looks like they just took a picture, slightly edited it in Photoshop, and used it as a background.
A 8th grader can do something like this without much guidance.

>>93972158
Fucking this. I hate it when shows with organic, unpolished art styles become more corporate and soulless as the show goes on. It even happened to Ed Edd n Eddy a little bit in the later seasons.

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>>93973911
>yfw /co/ is full of people who prefer the soulless

>>93973591
I dropped the show after this.

>>93970279
in my opinion steven and conie get it worse

>>93975304
Post the Connie picture

>>93972303
The first stage is she was actually equipped with mechanical limb extenders.
Everything after that is just the creator encouraging an extremely loose art direction that leads to extremely different looks from episode to episode.

>>93970279
SU has a lot of problems, and one of those is that no one is ever EVER on model.

is Flapjack the only cartoon that successfully changes artstyles so often? The show was so surreal that it worked well.

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>>93975445

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>>93976267
Connie's original design

>>93974872
big mistake, I've rewatched season 2 multiple times and it holds up well

>>93973866
Then why didn't you?

>>93976290
What happened to the proportions of the characters in this show? Even Stevonnie (who was striking because of how realistic-ish she looked in her debut) became really shrunken and disproportionate.

>>93972158
I like it with Family Guy, but I fucking hate how clean Simpsons looks.

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Everything about Family Guy before the Season 3 episodes that weren't Season 2 holdovers was radically off-putting for me.

>>93976267
You don't have to choose different episodes, even in the same episode the characters look different since different people are boarding it.

>>93973460
Pretty sure they always had boiling lines, it was just hard to see most of the time.

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Not a visual change to a series but a crossover episode where the guest characters have a very radical difference in their design

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>>93973591
Whhhyyy

>>93966423
>Your Pokémon journey starts now!

>>93970279
Watch the first and only good season.

>>93976587
Because I'm not a animator.

>>93976771
it was mostly because in the snow episode they look more passable in the new design

>>93977002
Y-you missed the joke. See, by saying "Why didn't you" to your 8th grader comment, I was calling you an 8th grader and... forget it.

Also, that's Gumball's style: Either taking real life pictures and photoshoping them together to create a new location or rendering out 3d models to make them, then turn that realistic style on its head by adding unrealistic cartoon characters to them.

>>93973591
I always thought it was clever that they made Jake look more like an eastern style dragon while Gramps was a chinese dragon

Then the redesigns came in and now every dragon is a flying snake

>>93970739
I still don't know how the dick anyone would even consider the TNBA joker design a good idea, it looks flat out lazy compared to the BTAS design.

And i always thought that the penguin design they used looked like a goddamn background character. Seriously, he looks so damn generic.

Scarecrow had a massive upgrade in the new batman aventures though.

>>93977242
The Eastern style dragon basically ruined it for me. He's the AMERICAN Dragon for a reason. They also killed the art direction's personality at the same time.

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>>93977242
Well shit, here I am not knowing my east from my west

>>93973592
too bad that episode sucked

I always miss how early Adventure Time episodes actually had interesting facial expressions while the later seasons all use the same few over and over. A lot less dynamic.

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>>93977515
Wait, west? i thought you said weast

>>93977581
The episode was fine.

>>93976683
the storyboards is an instrument of patriarchy

>>93976683
Promoting a "loose" art style.

In other words ditching animation/drawing guides, storyboards, or any kind of tool that helps keep the show with a coherent art style/direction.

That idea could work if the animators actually gave a crap about keeping the characters on model rather than distort everything at seemingly random.

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>>93976267
I don't get why this is always posted and not this. Smoky Quartz is supposed to be taller than JASPER, but she's barely a head taller than the counter here

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>>93976290
it makes me sad because she was immediate waifu material for me in the first episode. They achieved to destroy her character completely by the recent seasons.

>>93977815
Because Smoky Quartz was a mistake and everyone did their best to forget she exists

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>>93977615
Legitly kek'd

>>93977828
That's exactly how I felt with Peridot before Catch and Release aired. Once she became a stupid midget I dropped the show.

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>>93973911
>I hate it when shows with organic, unpolished art styles become more corporate and soulless as the show goes on

>>93973911
Then you should watch Steven Universe, the art styles get looser and looser over time instead.

>>93978005
I always liked the artstyle used for DB pre-Androids saga. It felt more raw and full of life, and the characters looked their best, especially adult Goku and Krillin

>>93978017
Actually, Steven Universe did become more "clean" and safe as the seasons progressed. Compare the ugly raw artstyle of season 1 to the chibi-fied designs of the later seasons.

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>>93978056
Old DB was cartoonish as hell. It was great.

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>>93978005
I'm an amateur webcomic artist with an unreleased project that has been in develpment. I always got critiqued when exposing my work with the saying "the lines aren't crisp or sharp" and "shit looks sketchy" so I eventually developed a style that looked more consistent and polished.

I hated it.

I actually had to re-train myself to seek a style with less polished artwork but a level of decency that made it readable

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>>93978113
>I always got critiqued
By who?

>>93978172
I have my own set of art friends I messaged to see their opinions on my work

>>93978108
damn, I forgot how visceral end of DB, and early DBZ was. And I hate how all the super fights are the same

>>93977828
Hey that's how I felt about Sadie before the island episode and now that Jasper is never coming back.

>>93978172

What's the point of the date if it isn't the production year?

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>>93978726

>>93977628
You sure? I'm a massive S1-fag and even I think The Picnic is a bad episode. Although it is kinda nice visually, the story is just so awful

>>93977829
Totally agree

>>93966143
I like the changes with Gumball. It kinda shows him aging, which they do kinda have since they gave them new voice actors when his and Darwin's VA's voices changed.

>>93966423
Did Zuke ruin her forever guys? Can they fix her now that all of Zuke's work has aired?
They REALLY need a height chart. Even if they only use it as a vague reference without being exact, this kind of shit is why. I know not all of them are from the crew but you end up with some ridiculous fucking scenes where Steven is the size of a basketball.

>>93970279
It's a decent show if you ignore tumblr, but the crew doesn't use height charts or practice consistency. Most of the time it's fine and it gives them the freedom to create some unique expressions for some scenes but other times it's really jarring and looks fucking stupid. The filler has this problem the most. Skip the first 26 episodes because Steven is fucking annoying in them. There's youtube guides for where you can start for the best experience since the show really doesn't get good for a long while. You can always go back and watch them once you're more invested.

>>93976888
and it was great

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>>93969821
I fixed it.

>>93979127
>It kinda shows him aging,
Are you fucking kidding me?

>>93979127
Zuke was truly dog shit wasn't she

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>>93979127
>defending S3+ Gumball art

>>93979235
No. Look at a sample of each era. I think it works and I like it. It's better than what's happened to other cartoons. Look how soulless the simpsons is. Does anyone have the comparison gif of the old intro and newer intro of Marge's head turning and how fucking static it became?

>>93979298
Yeah. I wonder what she's doing now? Hope she's not going to shit up any other cartoons.

God she always talked like she invented peridot and lapis

>>93978108
>Meteor Combination
Good shit.

>>93979453
No I think in terms of Darwin and Gumball it's fine. Nichole looks like shit now

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>>93979478
>Look how soulless the simpsons is
What the hell are you talking about? Gumball looks soulless as fuck now.

>Look at a sample of each era
Ok. S1

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>>93979581
S2

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>>93979603
S3

>>93979453
When was the 2nd model from all these examples used in the show? Season 2?

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>>93979632
Yes

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this image hurts my soul

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>>93979581
No seriously compare the simpsons to gumball. It's worse.

I still prefer the new style but I'll admit it only works for Gumball and Darwin as a "they got older" visual. Everyone else looks kinda awkward in comparison.

But I still like it more. The show itsself is still unique enough and has a ton of effort going into it that it doesn't throw me into an autistic rage, I'm sorry.

>>93979655
>>93979691
Spongebob in general just needs to be allowed to die. At least the creator is back on the show so it's not AS shit.

>>93979743
the answer is to kill tom kenny

>>93966143
Glad I stopped watching after Gumball got a new VA

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>>93979734
>Gumball and Darwin as a "they got older" visual
This doesn't make any fucking sense and you know it

>The show itsself is still unique enough and has a ton of effort going into it that
Yeah no. It looks bland as fuck and sometimes looks awful

>>93979842
Doesn't have to make sense for me to rationalize why I personally like it. Shocker, people have different opinions as you.

If you don't like it then don't watch it, but you're not going to change my opinion on what I personally find appealing.

It's not worse than the simpsons and that's fact.

>>93979691
I fucking hate that.

In the old cartoon, the cheek genuinely looked like part of the expression. In the new one it just looks like he has bloated up cheeks for no reason.

Honestly this detail kills a whole lot of character designs for me.

>>93979871
>It's not worse than the simpsons and that's fact.
Honestly at this point its hard to be worse than the simpsons without trying (or seriously cutting the cartoon's budget).

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>>93977615
How'd this dumb ass post make me laugh so hard?

>>93978005
>>93978108
Modern Dragon Ball makes me severely believe digital was a fucking mistake.

>>93976267
I still prefer this to the alternative of stiff and rigid hyper clean on model crap.

>>93978005
He looks like he's slathered in oil.

>>93978056
>>93978108

Agreed, and it's not even a matter of "a more corporate and on model look for a TV Show" because this shit started happening even in his comics and continues to affect Toriyama's art, even his Dragon Quest shit is suffering.

Really, Toriyama's' oldest work is his best stuff. Dr. Slump is a fucking trip but I adore it for the art.

>>93980479

I mean,most of these shows are just made to move merchandise, if they weren't digital, they'd still find a way to be lazy about it. Just look at Hanna Barbera and their disgusting reliance on stock footage.

>>93973591
The only one hat actually looks worse is Rose

>>93970279
the "every storyboarder can redesign characters as they see fit" shit is the real cancer of modern cartoons.

>>93973460
season 1 was the most experimental visually but the plots were not as interesting or as clever as in season 2
>>93973591
The same thing happened to The Replacements.

>>93966338
delet

>>93975729
>rewatch Flapjack
>can tell if JG or Alex or Pendleton storyboarded an episode just by looking at it

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Also I miss the water colors from the original games.

>>93981255
outdated

>>93973591
thats an improvement

>>93978005
digital animation was a mistake

>>93981306

Couldn't find something more up to date. And I don't particularly like the design changes in Sun/Moon either. Everything is more rounded than ever before. Also the animation style seems to be built with humor in mind, but pokemon has always had a garbage sense of humor.

>>93967220
raven is a good storyboard artist tho

she did the best episodes in EE&E and MLP

>>93979655
>>93979691
>old spongebob actually looks (and sounded) like an adult
>new spongebob likes like an overgrown toddler

>>93981255
Comparing gen 7's art to something like from gen 2, everything feels a bit souless.
Not to say the designs are bad or the art. It's still nice but everything feels really bland and boring

>>93973866
Do you even watch the show? That's what they do most of the times. Use photos of real life places.

>>93978108
Freeezy PIEEEEEE

What are some shows that for at least the most part improve in visuals and artstyle?

Bugs me that Gumball haters deliberately take screengrabs of season 1 emoting wildly to compare to the rare scenes of season 3 gumball with a neutral expression. Cherry picky.

>>93980479
It has nothing to do with digital, though. What's the major difference if the end result is a bunch of lines?

Also, the majority of animators in nippon still use plain pencil and paper. The unappealing plastic textures plastered onto all the characters are all a conscious decision

>>93979743
Who knows how much longer Hillenburg will be working on the show with his ALS diagnosis though

>>93982744
For real? That's actually a pretty terrible fate

what do you mean by soulless?

a lot of the complaints are legitimate loss of quality like spongebob becoming more stiff, but that has more to do with removing essentials than it does with polish or refinement, which are usually positive terms

>>93982197
The first seasons were more expressive. That is the point, retard.

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>>93978005
Goku got it the worst.

>>93967335
They're both on model, just with and without the best part of her design

>>93982913
My autism gets triggered whenever an anime makes skin the shiniest thing on a character, it just looks weird

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>>93966202

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>>93978108
z was a mistake

>>93983443
This hurts. I'm so used to the almost-washed-out aesthetic of the first few seasons that the "newer" episodes just look wrong.
Plus I unironically love the dub and can't get as invested when I'm reading the subs.

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>>93982197
>having totally legitimate and valid complaints make you a hater

>>93977829
They still made her look better in her second appearance.

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>>93976718

>>93971432
He did have a major role in Mystery of the Batwoman. Though they fucked up his voice in that so lateral move.

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>>93973591
>Bottom one literally looks like deviantart

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>>93978005

>>93978108
That's great, the only thing I don't like about that is the repeated accelerating camera pans. I suppose that's just a relic of it's time, though.

>>93976888
>They all take place in the same universe.
It would be great to advantage of this.

>>93983613
I haven't watched the show since it was on Adult Swim back in the day; I'd watch it every night in the summer, and If I missed an episode, I had a buddy that recorded the episodes on a handful of VHSs. I want to re-watch it, the dub I mean, but I'm a little worried since they only dubbed up until the middle of Season 5, and 6 of the movies, but the anime is currently on Season 25. I don't know if I can handle the Sub for 20+ seasons if I want to watch the whole show, only because the Dub is so ingrained in me; it'd be like watching Cowboy Bebop subbed.

Though, that being said, I have some time to figure that all out while I re-watch Pokemon. Currently half-way through the indigo arc. Only like 800+ more episodes. Now, that is a show that's gone through some style shifts for the worse.

>>93983846
Kek

>>93966301
The tooth gap is cute though, you have to admit.

>>93967128
I understand this. Part of the charm of South Park was how janky it looked. Now it's like they've forgotten that and are trying to make everything look as detailed and "realistic" as possible, while still maintaining the style. It's like sculpting David out of dirt.

>>93972158
Curious, so where do you draw the line? Because I agree, I hate it when styles get overpolished like with Spongebob and South Park, yet I can also see where people take issue with Steven Universe and their overly-fluctuating character models.

>>93978113
There comes a point where you have to put your foot down and say, "No, I'm doing this my way." You can take all critique under consideration, but you don't have to follow all of it.

>>93979453
S3 looks like she sharted and is trying to maintain composure.

>>93979581
>>93979603
>>93979622
Deerfag detected. Still assmad we got the objectively better design instead of furaffinity trash?

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>>93985421
>S3 babies are this retarded

>>93978726
the characters are now adults when in cannon only 6 years passed

>>93966143

season 1 gumball was so much cuter :(

>>93979655
Oh puh-lease. I have no soul.

>>93979581
>rachel
Never ever

>>93981255
>not including the abortion that is the new series on the island
Pokemon fans are retarded to be honest. We all watch cartoons for kids here but pokemon is just on another level of nothing there for you, in my opinion.

>>93982913
This is just Dragon Quest being a mistake and Toryiama being an eternal hack.
To be fair though, while the series if fucked because Tori can't write or design anymore both Toei and Toyo are awful in their own ways. Super needs to fucking end as soon as possible.

>>93985613
I have to admit I miss dear Penny. I don't think modern Penny is bad though, especially not her character growth.
Nicole has been run into the ground as a character now, sadly. She is literally just hulk-mum.

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>>93986428
>Nicole has been run into the ground as a character now, sadly. She is literally just hulk-mum.
She's been like that forever though.

>>93966301
> yfw now realize that she is supposed to be Madonna

>>93976718
Was it the fact that the characters had more than 4 stock poses?

>>93986428
>especially not her character growth
>character growth
Penny is just a background character. Her whole role is being MC's girlfriend

>Nicole has been run into the ground
Like almost every character and Gumball got it the worst.

>>93968171
Nearly perfect. Swap XP for Vista

>>93986495
No she hasn't. Getting angry was a facet of her character. All she does now is either get angry or threaten the possibility of her getting angry. She's even more exaggerated during her anger, literally hulking out. Nicole has been simplified and strung out pretty badly.

>>93986550
>gumball got it the worst
Yes and no. They changed the character after season one. I don't think the season 2 idea of Gumball has been too dramatically altered. The season one change was abrupt and not so much a run into the ground as it was an intnetioned reworking

>>93986505
Not just that, but by the end of Season 2, The shadowing and the scenery was cartoony but beautiful at the same time. Nowadays, all it takes to draw the scenery for these shows is to add some few lines and let the machines apply the rest.

Back then, Family Guy was still digital too, but with more hand intervention, it felt truly like something.

>>93986676
Dude she's been getting angry and hulking out since Ep 1.

>>93978172
Original will always be the best.

>>93978005
>>93973911
They you will understand my resentment to One Piece.
I always liked how Chopper didn't look like overly cute animal made just for mascots.

>>93978987
>Kid
>Teenager
>College student

He grew up between seasons. Is that supposed to be bad?

>>93986676
I remember Nicole being a mother who sometimes takes things a little too far. She can be reasonable without getting pissed at everything.

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>>93986793
fug, forgot pick

>>93986769
But she actually had a character to which her hulking was in opposition to. There was a contrast which made it interesting. there was more to her.
Also Anais has basically disappeared from the show the longer it's gone on. She was much more active in the earlier seasons.
They're also using Richard more.

Over use of parents and simplifying their character is a bad sign. I love Gumball, so it's a good thing everything has wrapped up the way it has before things could deteriorate further.

>>93986799
Exactly this.

>>93986806
>Before becoming merchandising behemoth
>After becoming merchandising behemoth

>>93986806
Both of those are cute mascot chara bait, f//am. One is just over designed trash, is all. Chopper's new design isn't that different in approach than the rest of Oda's new over designed crap.

>>93986793
>>93986806

oh god i knew there was something i forgot to post here. i fucking hate how chopper went from something that actually looks like an animal to a walking tumor, just for the "cuteness" appeal

>>93983443
my ancestor

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>>93986676
>They changed the character after season one
And that was fine. S2 Gumball was amazing. But they changed the character after season two and turned him into an annoying, unlikeable faggot.

>>93986769
>she's been getting angry and hulking out since Ep 1
He was angry but reasonable. And the whole "Nicole is an angry, invincible superwoman" is awful and unfunny.

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>>93978005

>>93978108
I'd love to see a Super Saiyan Goku in late-DB/early-DBZ artstyle.

>>93986848
Yeah I know, but the old one looked more like an actual animal and less of an obvious mascot character created to produce merch.

>>93986718
(cont.)
The fresh batch of episodes produced for Season 3 still had much of the fluent animation, but everything looked fleshed out.

The very, very beginning of Season 4 was as much of the same, 4 years later. Right through the middle of that season is where the animation drinks it's poison and slowly begins to kick the can.

>>93987470
I know the phrase is over used but- nuppg was a mistake

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>>93987535
what about original design?

>>93987587
No opinion on the proto stuff. They put a lot of effort into the final designs and I think it shows, so I prefer them.

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>>93985116
I fucking love the gap. She's probably what made me love tooth gaps in the first place. That was introduced in the second design though, it just wasn't visible in the picture I used.

hey everyone this has to do with computer animation and drawing software. they are always trying to find the easiest and cleanest way to draw the character frames on computer. computers is the death of authentic organic animation. fight me.

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What went wrong with Toriyama? He used to be so fucking good

>>93987774

"oh, that's new creative show of yours is really popular? Let's milk it for all its worth!!"

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>>93987799

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>>93987774
>Ed Edd n Eddy go digital
>Art and animation style remains identical

>>93987799
He switched to all digital production.

>>93987535
Right off the bat (as in when the first image of the girls was shown) it looked awful.

It looked so goddamn flat and souless.

>>93987387
Got any more of these?

>>93966301
CN had to de-sexy her due to complaints if I recall.

>>93987886
That's not fair, man. EEnE is universally revered as god tier and to expect everyone else to be as good as it is, is unrealistic.

>>93969821
> STOP SEXUALIZING THIS 13 YEAR OLD WE DREW WITH ZETTAI RYOUIKI

send the producer in for therapy, we aren't interested in his religious problems

>>93970739
The second design is what the comic books they're cribbing from used. The first was a fucked up attempt to bridge that with a design from a movie no one wants to admit existed now. Take off the nostalgia goggles.

>>93974872
this. heard it was the preferred test audience design
that was the first time I hated shit taste, I think

>>93971432
>This sketch Bruce Timm made of Danny DeVito in costume
No, that's an intentional caricature of Richard Nixon and the resemblance is jarring. Even Jack Kirby wasn't this plebeian when he based Darkseid off the same person.

>>93966143
I actually prefer S2 over S1 and S3 looks close enough to S2 that I really can not care about it.

Why are you faggots constantly looking for things to fight over?

>>93979622
>>93979603
>>93979581
I think the comedy got better as Gumball went on, but it was at the cost of organic looking animation going away and flanderization of characters.

>>93985421
>Deerfaf detected. Still assmad
Yes tbqh

>>93988406
Season 1 is rather generic as far as writing goes. It improved greatly in the seasons ahead. Season 5 seems to have taken things too far in many episodes though.

>>93988878
S2 > S3 > S4 > S1 > S5

>>93970882
So they made her look super generic? Her sister shows up in the same season that new design did, and she looked great and different enough from the base design.

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This right here.
I don't know who this woman is, but it certainly isn't Janine!

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How did we go from this...

Nope no chain post for you

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>>93989268
TO THIS

>>93966143
S2 writing + S1 art = perfecto

>>93989343
Just imagine

>>93989346
ONE > Murata.

>>93989373
>ONE > Murata.

I see you have taste anon.

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>>93966423

>>93989506
I mean Murata art is godlike but he missed the point. Her turned OPM into generic cape/shonenshit

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Protip: the reason why digital feels off compared to cel animation is because of the black ink coloring.

Basically, since cels were technically just photos of dried up ink it wasn't technically pitch black, it'd often be like a slightly brighter black, or sometimes the color would bleed in so the black would be hue'd a certain color, sometimes intentionally. This makes it look more natural because, well, it IS more natural, theres typically nothing in reality that actually looks pitch black, and the one thing that DOES look pitch black is like some weird science goo that looks like a black hole.

For you drawfags, try making a colored drawing with pitch black, and then slightly greyed out black. You'll notice the latter will usually look much better. And better yet, tinge it blue black if you're using warm colors, it's a nice subtle contrast. Just don't use pitch black, tho, cause the human eye can detect the aberration.

>>93987314
>>93987336
>>93987363
>>93987387
you got more?

>>93987974
So why'd they do the opposite?

>>93989099
is this from that episode? where she wasn't really herself?

>>93989890
nope

>>93973591
Bottom was way better and the show overall improved

>>93986362

Yyyyyup. And if you try to point out any of the downhill spiral the series has taken they've got a billion memes about "le genwun boogeymen" as an argument.

>>93978113
>so I eventually developed a style that looked more consistent and polished.

That's a good thing though. You need to learn how to properly draw before you deviate.

>>93986806

God please don't tell me this effects the rest of the characters. I'm so behind on One Piece.

I keep seeing this: https://media.giphy.com/media/McySElRgxkquA/giphy.gif pop up on facebook, and even luffy's beady little eyes have become huge and their gaping mouths are not at all the exaggerated crazy looking shit that I fell in love with to begin with.

I'd hate to see One Piece turn into a more generic looking anime, we have enough art styles that just blend in with everything else.

>>93990182
Nami looks awful now

>>93987799

He went digital, and his editor demanded he keep the dragon ball gravy train going when he wanted to stop after they first summoned the dragon. Then it became a "serious" series, and a serious series demands a serious art style.

I guess since he did over 60 volumes of that damn series he started to forget what his old art style was like.

You can see it in his newer comics like Sand Land and Jaco. Now everyone's extremely scrawny.

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>>93989099

They really fucked up perfection.

>this thread turns into another /a/ thread
fuck this board

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Strwberry Shortcake's current design sucks. Why does she have long hair?

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>>93988264
It literally says right there in the picture it was a sketch Bruce Timm made of Danny DeVito.
>that's an intentional caricature of Richard Nixon and the resemblance is jarring
And ?
It wouldn't be the first time Penguin was depicted as a caricature of Richard Nixon. Penguin Triumphant did it too.

>>93988217
>The second design is what the comic books they're cribbing from used
Except it barely even looks like Golden Age/Silver Age Penguin. The nose is wrong, the face is wrong, the facial expressions are fucked, the posture is backwards, the colors are non-existant, and so on.
>The first was a fucked up attempt to bridge that with a design from a movie no one wants to admit existed now. Take off the nostalgia goggles
In what aspect is it fucked up ? Just because you don't like it ?
How about you take off the nostalgia goggles yourself and stop pretending the Returns design was terrible just because audiences went "EEWW GROSS" at that Penguin ?
Anyone who puts the two TAS designs side by side can easily tell the first one has a lot more character and that the second one is dull and expressionless.

>>93973591
I fucking HATED this change as a kid

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>>93971432
>Penguin lives with his mother
>"Batman would have even gone so far as to mockingly call Penguin a 'mama's boy' to his face."
Their original plan sounds... odd.

>>93978108
whew

>>93990355
middle is the best

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>>93990553
Yeah, especially because it seems to contradict their intentions to not dwelve into the backstories for the villains that people knew from the movies (Joker, Penguin and Catwoman). But it's there in the Writer's Bible, too. And of course, Pain and Prejudice ran with it to the extreme just like they did with everything of the character.

Penguin seems to have gained a strange perception by many writers (including Denny O'Neil) as being a Mama's Boy, and I suspect that it's traced back to this origin, the first origin story the character had, where his father died and he originally just wanted to take care of his mother and birds until he was forced into crime ala-Walter White.
But it doesn't really make sense, his mother was never really a presence in his adult life in any stories I've read (and I've read a lot of Penguin stories), nor has her memory ever haunted him in any significant way.

And yet, the Mama's Boy thing is just one of the reasons why the Penguin is unduly hated/misunderstood by so many writers and fans, something which persists to this day. It doesn't make sense.

>>93990845
Agree though that might just be because I grew up with it.

>>93990553
It seems really dumb and out of character for Batman out of all people to call someone a mama's boy

>>93982155
The Simpsons up to the point when they switched to HD

>>93988878
>>93988964
Season 5 is all over the place with it's pacing in the episodes. Most the episodes consist of "Gumball being an annoying little shit, "references to current things trending that will get outdate by the next five years", waaay too many Richard episodes, Penny becomes useless she only had like a few lines in The Ex. The only good things that come from that season are the episode where they meet thier bootleg counterparts, Darwin is dating Carrie now, the video game episode.

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Early '90s design was the best

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>>93986806
His old forms were so fucking cool. Timeskip fucking ruined them.

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>>93976290
>let's turn the cute, wide-eyed, intelligent brown girl into a completely unstoppable mary sue warrior who is more capable than the titular male protagonist

>>93991643
post new forms
especially that kungfupanda form

>>93983464
>adding autistic camera shakes to a kino fight scene
I fucking hate tumblr.

>>93991643
>if a deer wore pants how would he wear it?

>>93989099
>>93990316

I don't know who was a part of Q5 in '87 but I guarantee they were all Jews.

>>93991874
Found an old LA times article from back then and the only Q5 name that's mentioned in it is someone named (((Heinz))).

/pol/ is right again.

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>>93991775
https://youtu.be/Hezp4pb_gqI

Man these new forms make me ill. All they had to do was not make him look like a fucking man baby when he transforms.

>>93987668
Fuck you, I'm addicted to this show now

>>93990286
You're talking so much out of your ass it's kinda incredible you have anything left there

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>>93992051

me too.


>they released another 360' video.
>tamira's room

god, these kids are fun.

>>93989636
How did Murata redrawing something change OPM? Are you one of those idiots who still doesn't know that literally everything Murata redraws is first sketched out by ONE, and every plot point is still made by ONE?

>>93991994
they look alright

We all know changes happen per season, but can /co/ point out a mid-season change exactly where it starts (e.g. specific episode?)

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>>93992522

Not sure where you get that idea.

Maybe if you'd actually read some interviews once in a while you'd know that Toriyama hates long running projects and wanted the series to end after the first dragonball hunt.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/intended-end/dragonballs/

And anyone who has eyes can just look at his most recent comics or even his dragon quest artwork to see all the characters with tiny bodies and noodle arms. The dude just doesn't draw chunky characters like he used to.

It's much better on the case of Gumball. The third design expresses much more of his personality from season 2 onward.

>>93987668
That's just better polyflow

>>93993917
>It's much better on the case of SpongeBob. The third design expresses much more of his personality from season 2 onward.

>>93979127
Chibi peridot is raven's doing, don't blame zuke for everything wrong in the show

>>93979649
Looks like Gumball is trying to muster up the courage to tell his mom she's hot.

>>93994414
Nicole is asking for it

>>93979655
>>93979691
There has always been something about modern Spongebob's eyes that unsettles me, but I can't figure out what it is

>>93994640
The pupils are not connected together?

>>93985421
>unironically liking a lightbulb with wings and antlers

>>93970279
The the show starts out good but has fallen victim to the ever infamous seasonal rot

>>93989308
Araki has improved with the years but it's really sad when he draw the old characters in his current style, he seems to dislike drawing muscles now, and have a terrible same-face problem that he didn't had during part 1-5

>>93976888
Holy shit I completely forgot about all the lilo and stitch crossovers.

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>>93966423
>Model sheets stifle my BRILLIANT boarders creativity

It's not the biggest problem with the show but it's the most glaring

>>93994268
Sure, I have no problem with that either.

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>>93995778
Deer r34 is at mooset, unelkciting wattsoever, whereas lightbulb porn turns me on and my cum brightens within a flash.

>>93978005
I don't know whether this is an unpopular opinion or not, but my favorite artstyle is the one from the Buu saga. It was the most compact while still looking like Dragon Ball Z.

>>93996257
It helps that Buu himself was a simple design that could fit in with old DB designs, and not like that overdesigned freak that was Cell.

>>93996480
It's not even Buu's design. I think everyone, specially Goku and Vegeta, look at their best in the Buu saga.

>>93973866

You're so completely wrong. So much work goes into making these photo-edits seem easy, that it looks simple and easy to look at. But as you can see, so much work goes into making all the lighting work together and to keep the shapes still kind of big and cartoony.

https://vimeo.com/113602041

>>93983464
>That mild look of shock on Goku's face with the trip
So fucking cash

>>93987314
SO much better

>>93987470
>cancer intensifies

>>93987587
Pretty fucking adorable

>>93966143
Why the hell do you bother about a character because of eyebrows? Do they really make a big difference?

>>93987587
Looks asian, smells asian, and talks like asian.

>>93987799
'93 100000% best of the bunch

>>93987886
>picks one of the best animated series of all times as an example

>>93987587
I like how Bubbles and Buttercup's dresses got color-swapped.

>>93996814
>character because of eyebrows
The eyes not the eyebrows

>>93989099
The FUCK?????

>>93990355
Not really...current design, middles hair, that would be spot on

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>>93989701
Some anime use slightly colored lines instead of pure black lines, all they do is use the paint bucket tool (I assume) or put a slight filter over it. Why some anime still go pure #000000 black for lines and then use the most garish color palettes possible (especially daytime anime) I don't know.

>>93996076
Each of Araki's style has so much unique merit and fits the parts appropriately. It's hard to hate his art when he just overall loves drawing and evolves and improces his style so drastically. But yeah, seeing him draw old characters is pretty heartbreaking. His anatomy is also not perfect but that's a necessary sacrifice for the poses he loves drawing.

>>93977615
kek

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>>93996992

the reason they use the coloured lines might come from how this practise began at Ghibli. Rather than carbon copy their clean up drawings on to cel using black carbon, they used brown for an intentionally softer look, at least they did on Totoro.

>>93979691
>>93979655
I never realized how much worse new spongebob is in general.

>>93970279
watch it, the fact it has a fanbase that hates it should say that its good as a rule of thumb

>>93990182
Luffy's eyes are the same they've ever been, and they still do the exaggerated crazy shit. One Piece's art style hasn't changed much, if anything he's gained more freedom to get real weird.

>>93987799
Toriyama's style was great when his kid characters still looked like kids (and not 0% body fat mini-men) and before he was hardlining every muscle ripple.

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>>93989701
000000 and FFFFFF should always be avoided imo

>>93989373
MP100 ONE > Murata > OPM ONE

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>>93993687
I still like his DQ designs by themselves. But the airbrushed look of the coloring is ugly

>>93984296
>it'd be like watching Cowboy Bebop subbed
So like actually watching the show for the first time?
God Americans are so stupid.

>>93988217
>Shit talking one of the only good superhero films
kill yourself

>>93990909
i remember a silver age story where batman and robin chaperone penguin and his mother as Oswald tries to convince her he was a legit businessman.

>>93998740
This is /co/. What did you expect?

>>93987886
You just don't play the EEnE card in this kind of threads

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>>93983613
>The dub
Richard Moore will always be better than Kogoro. This is fact.

>>93999043
I'm gonna rewatch it
I hope it holds up

>>93972158
I actually think Gumball is the opposite. Season 1 looks very sterile and like model sheets rigged in flash. The animation has actually gotten more expressive.

>>93972158
He's still cute tho

>>93999198
>being this wrong
The S1 picture in that post looks better than everything in modern Gumball

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>>93999198
You need to rewatch S1

>>93986362
>>93990046
SM is shaping up to be the best or second best season in the series.

>>93994311
Zuke fucked her up character wise instead

>>93999578
The current seasons have a more consistent art and animation style. I think its actually better for that than trying to combine several unique ones.

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>>93989308
>Friendly reminder that Clint Eastwood has this hanging on his wall.

>>93999954
Being consistent ≠ being good.

>>93977615
One of the most comfy episodes in spongebob

>>94000285
It is good. Consistency is very important in a visual series. Early Gumball had good yet very contrasting designs put together on screen. Sure its different and unique but familiarity is what ends up holding people's attention. Not even bothering to mention how much less it must cost, that same simple yet definitive design is what gives later seasons its character.

And while not being part of the discussion of the visual design, the writing is much better later on, so I feel I can forgive the lackluster appearance.

>>93988272
because your opinion is cookie cutter as fuck and you're only spouting it to justify your self righteousness

go ahead and call me angry, or don't since I just told you to

>>93997723
are you claiming that Brand Spanking New! Simpsons is good?

>>94000159
I always wonder if he speaks English or not. I imagine if not this interaction was quite confusing for Eastwood

>>93976888
Didn't Rufus turn out to be one of Jumba's experiments in the Kim Possible crossover?

>>93986362
>
Sun and Moon is hilarious though. The new artstyle was a great decision for the new comedy tone.