isn't he and rick essentially the same character >both

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Rusty is an anti-matter Heinz Doofenshmirtz as much as anything else.

>>93957486
Rusty is bad at everything. Rick is shit at connecting with people but otherwise competent. Though honestly, while Rusty is a shit dad a lot of the time I still think he's better a family figure than Rick.

>>93957597
>rusty is bad at everything
that's the joke

>>93957486
Rick is actually a better person then Dr. Venture, if you can believe it.

>>93957633
how? explain pls

>>93957620
I know, I'm just saying it's why he's different from Rick.

>>93957707
yeah in that instance they're treated like polar oppsoies everyone in the show treats risty like he's a failure, a joke of a scientist and everyone treats rick like he's some some major level threat to the universe

>>93957801
*opposites

Rick Sanchez would get killed by Blue Morpho so easily.

>>93957486
Please, if this is a Venture Bros thread then we know who the REAL talent is: Henchman 21

>>93957486
>both genius scientists

Nope. Well, Rusty has a few genius inventions, but mainly he's 3rd rate.

>>93957486
Rusty isn't a genius is He? I thought he's been selling off his dad's old unsold works to live. I thought that was the joke?

>>93957977
He has a gift for evil science. Making zombies, building temporal radar that somehow also revives the dead, and of course the Joy Can.

>>93957872
>the guy who overthrew an intergalactic government could be taken out by a street-level villain
Woah...

>>93958409
It all depends if Rick's in the way of Arching Rusty or not.

>>93957486
huh

>>93957486
Venture is mostly motivated by money.
Risk is motivated by...i'm not sure, too drowsy to think someone help me out

>>93957664
he's good at his job and doesn't try to con others into buying mediocre inventions.

>>93958017
an....orphan...?

>>93958535
does rick even have a job?

>>93957486
Rusty is actually pretty shitty, at least compared to other super scientists, particularly his father.

>>93958651
It's enchanted with the heart of a forsaken child?!

>>93958582
rick committed literal genocide and enslaved an entire race

>That episode where it turns out Rusty would've made a competent villain
Shit hit me where I live

>>93958880
he sells guns to guys looking for solutions.

and drugs.

and selling "salvaged" tech.

>>93958903
Jonas was a shot tier father though. Who takes their kid on dangerous mission instead of leaving them with a sitter?!

>>93958951
Don't forget overthrowing a galactic federation AND the council. Not to mention a slew of other offenses

>>93957486
Rusty's a manipulative bastard, a dangerously retarded father to the point where he's lost his kids too many times, and a piss poor excuse for a man, but he's written in a way where he's easier to empathize with than Rick

>>93958582
he's a more successful person, but not a better person

>>93957486
The difference is Rusty is a washed up loser. Whereas everyone sucks Ricks dick, except Jerry, cause hes the greatest and smartest man in the multiverse!!

>>93960124
Remember the episode where he was in therapy with Johnny Quest?

>>93957486
Rick things magic/religion is stupid? I couldn't tell from that one angry expression he has in every fucking image of the show I've ever seen. tried watching five minutes of it, too cynical for me/I'm not enough of a jaded edgelord to see why its liked

You didn't ask which show was better, but I'll tell you it's Venture Brothers and kindly ask that you not mention Rusty Venture or any other well-written characters in the same sentence as that one-note shitshow ever again.

>>93957597
>Rusty is bad at everything.
Except being unintentionally villainous. Rick also does villainous things but whereas Rusty is in denial Rick just doesn't give a fuck about morality.

>>93957486
The people around Dr. Venture carry his show. Rick generally carries his show.

>>93960235
He's kinda like Pym, a mad scientist trying to be a good person.

>>93960278
>rick carries his show
but the show has been shit since the end of season 1 despite still being almost entirely rick???

>>93960659
It's great to a specific demographic, which it's made for. VB on the other hand is objectively pretty good even if you're not into that sort of thing.

Venture Bros is much better written.

>>93957486
Rust is not a genuis. Rick also cares a great deal more for his family, even if he's more of a sociophat than Rusty ever was.

>>93961491
t. someone who only watched a few episodes of the venture bros
rusty is literally constantly haunted mentally by the fact that he couldnt save his sons from their many deaths, he stopped brock from killing JJ since they're twins despite JJ having just tried to kill rusty, he's emotionally drained from his father abandoning him and when JJ revealed he was terminal rusty laid there with him for hours until he was unable to move from the numbness

Shitty comparison, Rusty's show is grounded in a reality of sorts, and Rick' s is designed specifically so that they can just do whatever they feel like at any time and we have to laugh at how silly Roiland's inane improvisations are.

>>93961297
Better art style too. I cannot stand Rick and Morty's unibrow shit.

>>93959988
>Don't forget overthrowing a galactic federation AND the council.
Well, you could argue that those are good things depending on your point of view. Smashing the teenyverse made him one of the biggest murderers in all of fiction, though, and should be irredeemable instead of being forgotten. I need to rewatch the series to be sure, but I think that might be the only time he maliciously killed innocents. Everything else, like the Cronengergs was at least a partial accident.

>>93961297
Rick and Morty is edgy reddit trash and there's nothing deep or complex about it, there's nothing original and there's nothing really that special about it, it basically just took elements from other shows in the adult animation genre, dumbed them down for a main audience and then shove in half assed "emotional" moments and edgy "deep" quotes and retards who were probably obsessed with Family Guy a year ago latched on to it and talk about it like its the second coming of animated Christ or something

VB is better and don't get half the credit

>>93962087
This.

>>93962087
>edgy reddit trash
Three buzzwords in a row is all it takes to render the rest of your rant meaningless.

>>93962087
Haven't seen butthurt like this in a good while.

>>93958535
le szechuan sauce

>>93962087
Why are you so angry about other people's opinions and taste?

>>93962087
VB gets plenty of credit and it's generally considered one of the best shows, it's just less popular for several reasons one of them being inconsistent and rare releases. Stop being so buttmad.

>>93961054
While I enjoy Venture Bros much more than Rick and Morty, when's the last time you've seen normalfags talk about it or seen merch of it in meme stores like Hot Topic?

>>93962427
>less popular
That's what it means. It's less accessible and isn't talked about nearly as much, but among people who know of it it's considered very good. If quality was the only reason things were popular you wouldn't see almost anything that is popular today. Things that are popular must be easily accessible and not require a lot of attention or side knowledge to get. If you have no understanding of culture or history, and won't watch it from the start VB won't be nearly as enjoyable, on the other hand RM makes virtually no difference whether you watch the whole show or a single episode. It's short, it's quotable and it's appealing to current culture trends, so teenagers, so people who by definition are loud when talking about things they like and have the time to watch it. People who like VB are generally far less excitable so less likely to promote it or buy merch. That's how the world works.

>>93962427

I believe that's what anon was saying though, that Rick and Morty appeals more towards normalfags and teenagers that shop at hot topic. Roiland's lightning fast joke-a-minute improve makes it so that even the most ADHD millennial can enjoy it on it's humor alone, even if it has the depth of a puddle when looked at with a critical eye.

Where as Venture Brother's jokes are generally pretty longform, and relies heavily on viewer investment for a lot of running gags. That coupled with it's painfully slow release schedule make it pretty inaccessible to casual views who just want to watch a pop on a silly show and turn their brain off.

>>93961743
oh, and rusty also put himself in front of a gun to save hank when hank was threatened with a mercy killing by professor impossible, even though rusty assumed that hank was about to explode and kill everybody

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>>93962580
>VB on the other hand is objectively pretty good even if you're not into that sort of thing
>even if you're not into that sort of thing
This is the only part of his post I was referring to. No one will say that VB is pretty good if they're not actually interested in it. VB is objectively higher quality than R&M, but normalfags will always say the latter is better unless they're specifically interested in former.

>>93961743
>>93962622

This. Rusty isn't a sociopath. He tries to be a good father, he's just terrible at it for a wide variety of reasons mostly stemming from his own traumatic childhood. At the end of the day he's always trying to do right by his sons, even if his own ego and shortcomings often get in the way.

>>93962647
I think that's more a case of normalfags being oblivious to both the Venture Brother's existence and it's quality.

In a vacuum where someone is exposed to both shows equally, it's pretty easy to come to the conclusion that Venture Brothers is generally a higher quality show from a production standpoint. The art direction, animation, voice acting, general competence of an average script, etc. All top notch for the kind of show it is.

Where as Rick and Morty comes across like a bad Family Guy clone in the visuals department, with it's humor being the only real redeeming quality that sets it apart as something unique. (That style of humor being divisive and subjectively awful to some people, that's a whole different debate.)

>>93957486
As far as we know, Rick is an asshole by his own volition, mostly to push people away as he takes down an intergalactic government. Doc is an asshole because he had a shitty childhood adventuring with a neglecting parent.
Also Venture is more selfless, he is willing to sacrifice himself for his kids. Rick did 'sacrifice' himself to be imprisoned, but as far as he know, he did that because he already had a plan to take the Galactic Federation from the inside. We don't know if he would have been willing to save his family if he knew it meant the Federation wins at the end.

The only similar shitty thing they do is that Rick doesn't think twice to leave his daughter and grand-daughter in a doomed dimension and get other family from another dimension. While Doc didn't care at the start if his kids died while on an adventure because he had many clones of them. I guess it's up to you which one is more fucked up

>>93962622
ALSO rusty had to go on a months-long soulsearching quest to deal with the twins' deaths at the end of season 1, despite it not being the first time either of them had died

>>93962731
None of that shit matters. Not only are shitty art styles becoming the norm, but for the type of show R&M is, it actually fits. The vast majority of people who watch it will likely say that they like it better than something "too detailed" like VB. It's not like they're oblivious to its existence either. It airs on the same exact channel and block as R&M. At the very least they would have seen commercials for it.

>>93962087
your statement was so edgy it gave me lasik

>>93962800

The only difference is that Rusty's cloning experiments were done out a misplaced sense of love for his boys. "When your kids are prone to sudden death, you keep a few extra bodies in the fridge. They're effectively the same people after all."

Deep down he knows that it's fucked up though, see >>93962814

>>93962814
everybodies freeeeeeee to feel good

>>93957486
>both genius scientists

so I guess you haven't actually watched Venture Brothers

>>93962822

Venture Brothers very rarely gets new episodes, and it also almost never gets reruns on Adult Swim's TV channel. It's also important to note that it's release schedule has never ever lined up with Rick and Morty's.

It's totally not improbable that a casual normalfag turning into Adult Swim for Rick and Morty exclusively might have no idea that the Venture Brother's even exists.

Especially when you consider how obtuse the show probably comes across for the few casual veiwers who happened to catch a random episode, who probably dismissed it on the notion that they didn't "get" it.

>>93957486
what the fuck
they have totally different arcs, purposes in their shows, and are treated different by those around them

>>93962731
>The art direction, animation, voice acting, general competence of an average script, etc. All top notch for the kind of show it is.

There are parts of R&M that are good animation wise, the Goodbye Moonmen, any chase scene for example, but it does piss me off that the designs are so lifeless. I don't know how to explain it but compared to other adult animation, say Bob's Burgers. I find them easier to look at them just standing there and talking compared to the scenes where Rick is just complaining about something to other characters. And I don't mean the eyes, just everything about the characters designwise is boring, even the wacky characters from the lich episode are just okay for filling the screen. I think it might be their limited expressions, or how every human but Morty has the same face.

>>93960186
Well you are just a contrarian who hates things because they are popular

>>93957486
Rusty doesnt have his son in law always trying to tear his family apart

>>93963382
Hating things that you wouldn't normally like or care about but keep getting shoved in your face because of their popularity is understandable though.

>>93963641
nobody forces ya to open these threads

>>93963641
No, you are a contrarian. End of story.
Everyone loves Rick and Morty except butthurt contrarians. That's the truth

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>>93964235
I'm not the same anon even. I just know what it's like when something you hate and do everything you can to avoid is popular enough that it's not possible to avoid it.

>>93957486
Thing is, Rick's made out to be the cool guy, and any "depth" he has is superficial. Rusty's well written, and kind of a doof.

>>93957486
Will Rusty ever live a content life. I just wanna see him succeed and be appreciated by his peers for once. After all of the shit he went through with his dad, who was probably the worst parent a child could have, it would be fitting to see him overcome his past and focus on the boys.

>>93961797
But still, teleporting the Citadel into a galactic federation triple max prison was kind of OTT. Not to mention the gaggle of prisoners that escaped out of the same cell block he was in were among the worst of the worst.

Rusty is just a more intelligent Morty. Mostly getting by on what his Rick left behind. He can think up some new and advance stuff on his own. Though it is usually only weapons or super villain type stuff.

>>93965849
He works on being a better father at least. Bit going to the opposite extreme at times.

>>93965849
Rusty will never be happy until he ditches his fear of success and goes full super villain.

Did you learn nothing from the Dr. Killinger episode?

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He's much more like Frankenstien from FrankenHole.
>Both are narcissist
>Both are loners that hate people
>Most adventures revolve around basic tropes that end with fucked up shit that either causes them to be traumatized or worse off
Seriously, anyone remember this? Made by the same guy who did Moral Orel?

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he is on the low end of rick a ways down I might say, he is a shamster.
good at assembly is not inventing he never invents , he assembles other objects into a contraption .
a high end rick invent new stuff out of elements.

>>93966110
I remember Hitler trying to not hate Jews. Pretty funny actually

>>93960153
I remember that one, it kinda threw me off at first that they had Jonny Quest in there when the Venture family was already a Jonny Quest parody.

>>93957486
I never got the idea Rusty was any kind of a genius. He just happens to have a lot of his fathers super science toys all over the house to play with.

Name one successful invention that Rusty has. It's like he hasn't created anything useful since the OOOOOOOH RAY in the pilot.

>>93966731
the clones of his sons

>>93966731
Didn't he create a walking eye? Not that it's exactly an invention.

>>93966460
>>93966731
He has his moments, like when he designed the shield that protected Gargantua 2 or figured out how to use an orphan's heart to power his "joy can".

>>93957597
>>93966731
Biology and genetics seem to be his forte. He had success with his sons' clones, Venturestein, and cobbling that senator back together when they were in the jungle. He just keeps trying to succeed in every other branch of science because that's what his dad did.

>>93961743
>rusty is literally constantly haunted mentally by the fact that he couldnt save his sons from their many deaths

Is he? I've only seen up to the episode where he and Brock are laughing and reminiscing over all their deaths. Seemed incredibly callous.

>>93957486
Rusty does actually care for his children. Hank and Dean seem well adjusted, unlike Morty who's a few rage fests away from becoming a full blown school shooter.

The difference is that Rusty is actually a well fleshed out character.

>>93967202
That's because Rusty is written like a real life person while Rick spouting pop culture references and breaking the forth wall making him a pop scientist.

>>93958965
What was with that? Did Killinger fail to convert him or was it all part of an elaborate scheme to put him on the straight and narrow?

>>93957486
Yea except Rusty's ego and hedonism are why he's miserable. Rick is arguably even more despicable, but frequently suffers no consequences for his actions because he's Roiland's self insert

>>93967283
Absolutely nothing about Ricks character makes sense. They play him as a misunderstood genius but he's mostly just acting like an overgrown fratboy. Which is fine as long as the show's trying to be funny, where it falls flat on its face is when it's attempting to play anything for genuine drama.

>>93957486
>doesn't actually care about the wellbeing of their children
I thought the sole redeeming feature of Rick was that he'd crawl on glass for Morty.

>>93967033

He keeps that shit under lock and key mentally, the only reason we know that it actually bothers him like crazy is because Orpheus went into his head once.

>>93967360
It is and Rusty has been shown to care about his kids too. OP's just a casualfag.

>>93958535
Nihilistic hedonism

>>93967316
it was explaining why Rusty is such a goddamn failure. He's supposed to be a villain but he's in denial about who he is as a person.

That said the primary difference between Rick and Rusty is Rusty doesn't bother pretending he doesn't want to be a better person while Rick pretends he doesn't care about being an awful human being.

>>93967347
He's simply an overgrown frat boy using his knowledge of the universe to run away from life's problems. Rick is more of an intergalactic terrorist than a scientist.

>>93966125
he invents stuff all the time. The problem is that its all villanous and he doesn't want to be a villain.

>>93967504
>>93967581

The thing about Rusty is that once upon a very long time ago he used to be a good boy, like ride on the nimbus cloud level of good.

Probably whatever microscopic amount of that left in him is what's holding him back.

>>93966245
It took it to a meta level by making Johnny a pill addicted former child adventurer and Haji working as tech support

>>93967671
Wasn't it established that the Venture family is in charge of the Guild of Calamitous Intent?

>>93967703

Yes and no, it's more that the guild used to be some sort of super stuck up group of scientists/adventurers with decent pedigrees headed by a Venture until I think Fantomas(Limb's granddad) did some sort of coup and turned it into a super villain group.

Of course it's also been literal years since I've seen season 03 so I likely have the details wrong but I think that's the basic jist of it.

>>93967751
Still Rusty and the kids seem to know a lot of the legalese and rules of the Guild. Hell, Dean was technically the Sovereign until giving it back to Bowie.

>>93967872
They know the rules because a) Brock and Hatred were there to handle that aspect and b) just how long they have been dealing with Monarch.

>>93957977
he is smart, however he is also extremely lazy and self-loathing (whether he would admit it or not)
he COULD create great things, instead he gets 1/4 of the way to creating something great, then decides it's good enough as-is and tries to sell it off

this could also be in part to his self-loathing, as it could mean that he thinks that he is only good enough to half-make something, but if he believed in himself more he could probably make something much better

>>93958409
Don't fuck with Kanow

>>93968445

He's a walking talking perfect example of constant self sabotage honestly.

He could be insanely successful as a super villain but he's got enough good left in him that he refuses to do it(he's likely aware that he would be actually good at it).

And of course despite not being so far gone that he can't be fully good again, he's way too screwed up and apathetic and probably self hating to actually believe himself capable of that either so he doesn't bother to try.

Same shit with his relationships. He's likeable enough on the rare occasions where he's not being an asshole or a tryhard that you can tell why people stick by him, but despite people liking him for him he insists on being a douche 99% of the time out of some weird compulsion.

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As someone who's only seen clips of Rick and Morty, I gotta ask: what the fuck is his problem?

>>93968772
If you want to know just watch the show, you'll only get "he's reddit and his cynical nature makes me cry" posts as an answer.

>>93968875
>just watch the show

Advertise your trash elsewhere, Harmon.

>>93968772
He is le meme asshole until the writers decide he isn't and is actually super depressed and stuff

>>93968772
Literally
>tfw too intelligent

>>93959969
And we still haven't seen why Rick is such an asshole. At the very least we got to understand that Rusty had his reasons for being such a tool

>>93961797
The miniverse and the teenyverse, that's literally two entire universes he obliterated from existence

>>93962211
This

>>93967016

I bet his dad is to blame for that. Calling biology the GIRLY science

>>93969774
He'd be slightly subtle about it, handing Rusty backhanded compliments.

"Impressive, Rusty! You'll be the next Rosalind Franklin!"

>>93966110
The part where death meets Jesus to go back in time and watch Elvis die on the can was pretty good.

>>93967504
>>93967504
>find out you could be a sucessful villain
>refuse becoming evil even if it means living a life of failure
Rusty's pretty fucking based.

>>93970293

This sounds exactly like something he'd say, fucker is passive aggressive as shit if that therapist flashback was of any evidence.

>>93968772
mental illness as always.

>>93968445
Last season showed him having the resources and time to develop something great and he couldn't. I think he just don't have the drive for super science. He didn't make clones out of his kids because of 'science' he made them because he was afraid they might die with the lifestyle he had gone through.

>>93971041

Can anyone find that one quote that Roiland or Harmon had about Rick's mental state? It was thrown around a lot during season 01 but I can't seem to find it.

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Rick is a badly written character because he's too perfect. I think the word Mary Sue gets thrown around too much but for Rick it applies. He invents impossible scifi shit with no explanation how or why he's smart enough to do that, physically he somehow can beat the shit out of everyone despite being an old man and he constantly outsmarts his family and puts them down because he's
>tfw to intelligent
When you know your character will get out of any situation with ease then it's not interesting

Rusty's shit us a little more grounded. All his issues etc. Are a consequence of his hellish upbringing, hell JJ is Rusty without all the trauma and issues holding him back.
Rusty's the living embodiment of consequence for Jonah's wild n wacky upbringing, Rick is the embodiment of fuck consequences

>>93972989
Comic had Doofus Jerry where Rick wasnt Dues Ex Machina the character and got the shit beat out of him and cucked for a few issues. Was a nice change of pace.

>>93973176
>Not today Rusty, not today

>>93968772
Nihilism caused by exposure to the vastness of the multiverse.

>>93967033
Not all of hank and deans were Rusty fault by the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3IaSsPcJjc

>>93973990
Ah shit i meant to post this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxZpQwEQdsg

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>>93957486
The Venture Bros is a better show because Hank and Dean are far cuter/sexier than Morty.

This cannot be disputed.