Ultimate Spider-Man Pt. 1

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While I was initially going to just post the major story arcs tied to each of his major villains, I'm, contemplating just storytiming the whole shebang.

>>93951663
Do it all man.

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>>93951663
It's interesting that Bendis more/less recreated this scene when he was introducing us to miles.
>Yep, this scene was definitely in the Miles issues. Some may see it as a homage, I see it as lazy. I may end up changing my mind later.

>>93951695
I can do that.

I'm joining the ride. Good one, OP.

>>93951738

>this guy was almost spider-man

Wow.

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As much as Bendis' particular brand of writing grinds my gears, I consider this an his creator owned title Powers to be really really good comics. Not everyone would agree that they're great, but solid stories nonetheless.

It's really amazing how much stuff happened plot wise in this first arc, compared to how slow Miles' shit was/became

This will always be my favorite Spider-Man. Bendis may be Bendis, but this was my introduction to comics. I'll always love Bagley's art and I'll always have a soft spot for Ultimate Peter.

I wasn't even mad when he died. He got a good death. For a while.

>>93951519
Peter and Kitty Pryde died too soon.

In retrospect, knowing that Bendis created a great ship so he could break it up and push his waifu with his self-insert makes me want to stab him just a little bit.

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Interesting take on Harry Osborn.

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>>93951738
Speaking of which...

Sorry about posting images. This is relevant though.

>>93951988
wow that's kinda nuts.

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>Will you get this kid out of here?!
Jesus, Norman. Where's the love?

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THAT SPIDER IS HUGE!!!

>>93952135
He's such a dick. He would have made a great suited Green Goblin and not a Hulk monster.

>>93952336
Best Ben.

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>>93952201
They sure are.

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And down he goes.

>>93951937
It's mind boggling how there are many similarities between the two "first issues" and yet Peter's seems jam packed with stuff happening. Also it might be because this first issue is like 40 or so pages.

>>93951738
>J. Jonah Jameson presents

>>93952267
>ywn have a MJ bestfriend who later turns to GF

God punished me by putting me on this earth

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>>93952538
Was in the same boat. SHe picked up my attraction to her and then proceeded to use me up in every way imaginable.
>Financially
>Socially
>Emotionally
>Occupationally
>And recreationally.

It will be good friendo. Time heals all wounds.

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I did enjoy the fact that Peter and Miles had significantly different reactions to finding out they have spider powers.

>>93952865
>Bare Naked Ladies

IT'S BEEN ONE WEEK

>>93952845
Two of the biggest complaints I hear about Miles are that he's just kinda dull and his venom blast is OP as fuck, would you say those hold any weight?

>>93953164
Peter just can't catch a break, but I'm pretty sure that if Flash's parents sued they'd lose.

>>93953205
When did they start to differentiate Main Marvel and Ultimate Marvel with the lower case letters and ALLCAPS?

Here it's written in ALLCAPS and I remember the JMS run on Spidey around this time was written in lower case (which is, you know, backwards)

>>93953309
hands to yourself octavius damn.

>>93952865
The problem is Miles' personality went bye-bye as Bendis just handed Miles all of Peter's supporting cast for no reason other than because he kept killing off Miles' own for no reason other than writing himself into a corner. Then when all the Ultimates started fucking with the whole universe we get even more blatant bullshit of nothing happening for Miles other than using Peter's old cast as a crutch to somehow give Miles more "character" when all he was becoming to Peter 2.0. Also once Bendis made the Omega Red joke, I knew shit was going to get worse.

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>>93953324
>>93953324
>which is, you know, backwards
WHile I think that the majority of the lettering in Ultimate Marvel was lowercase, many writers even later in teh series went back to all caps.

Personally, I enjoy the combination of upper and lower case when characters speak but I can't quite put my finger on why. Any thoughts?

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>>93952927
As much as I was against the death of Peter, I legitimately feel like Miles has the potential to be a really good character. His relationship with his uncle was like a twisted version of uncle ben and having his mother die in his arms was a pivotal moment in Miles' life that was retroactively dismissed at the end of Secret Wars.

Having Miles have a few new powers did make him distinct from Peter but Miles' venom blast is the most broken ability I've ever seen in comics and he uses to one-shot all of his major blows. It's the equivalent of an instant win button. It's so broken that it has single handedly destroyed Miles chance of being a well written character. There is literally no tension when watching him in action because all he has to do is venom blast and he wins. I think Ultimate Taskmaster was one of the few villains it didn't quite work on.

>>93953375
I agree with everything you posted.

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While I was initially just going to do Peter's journey until the end of issue #160, I'm considering doing all of Miles' Ultimate issues (not going to include his series post Secret War).

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Even though he didn't have to, Bendis kept to the original story of Spider-Man being a wrestler starting out. The movie AMazing Spider-Man thought it was too good for that shit and decided to alter how he tests his powers and how uncle ben died.

>>93953593
I actually wonder if the Homecoming series (when it inevitably does a flashback) will make him a wrestler too.

that uncle ben is awesome

>>93953470
As a purely aesthetic choice, I always preferred lower case (I was a big fan of the JMS run, which I was reading at the time).

But once the difference was established, I thought it was super neat that we had, say, The Maker talking in lower caps with 616Reed in ALL CAPS.

This was one of my nitpicks when Spider-Verse happened. Ultimate Jessica and Miles talked in ALL CAPS and it was wrong in my mind and it kept distracting me from the main story.

It's amazing how Bendis utilized his Bendis speak in non-retarded ways in this, and it actually flows with the dialogue

>>93953983
Bendis-speak works fine in Ultimate Spider-man. The issue is when he writes every character in every other book as if they're high school chums of 15 year old Peter Parker

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So sorry for the delay. It said the image contains and embedded file.

I loved how the game was pretty much a 1:1 recreation of the comic. Exact same artstyle and everything. It was originally gonna be a canon story with the comics too.

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Oh shit

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>>93954605
In my headcanon its the definitive ending to Venom's story. Honestly I consider this game to have a superior Spider story compared to the Webb movies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfATOsMPM-o

>>93954871
>>93954605
>Tfw found a used Copy of Ult.Spider-Man at a game story
>Was the Special PS2 Limited Edition too
>Mom most likely throw out my PS2 without telling me
Maybe someday I'll find a Gamecube version

>>93954970
>game story
*Game store

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Harry didn't deserve this.

>>93952267
>wigged out
Granted I was around 7 when this comic came out but did teenagers actually say this in 2000?

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=(

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>>93955117
I say it to this day.

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Even though I knew it's coming, these next couple pages are heart-wrenching.

>>93951937
Ultimate Spider-Man really makes you appreciate Bagley, especially with today's artists who can't keep a monthly schedule. He may not be the best artist but the dude is a fucking machine.

>>93955190
>YOU CAN'T HIDE FROM ME! I'LL CHASE YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EARRRTH!

>>93951663
You're the best, anon!

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>>93955244
I was legitly frightened by Peter's actions during the symbiote arc. He wasn't allowed to throw a punch, but chucking someone out of a multi story churge is a-okay.

>>93955269
No, you're the best!

As I'm going through these issues I'm genuinely baffled as to why so many people like shitting on Bendis. It's almost like they do it to fit in and look cool which is embarassing. I'm not saying he hasn't shat out some absolute garbage, but the way he is talked about on this board you'd think he recreated the holocaust in comic book form.

>>93955308
Slott's worse than Bendis.

Bad writing >>>>>>>> Openly mocking fans

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As someone who lost their father at an early age (I was 22), this speaks to me on so many levels.

>>93955308
Eh, the only ill will I harbor against Bendis is continually fucking up the UFF

>>93954779
Feels bad that I enjoy the drama more then the action.

>>93955378
>Someone outside of your family showing compassion than your own family

I know this feel.

>>93955378
I'm sorry to hear that, anon.

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>>93955391
You are not wrong. Ultimate Fantastic Four was a very mixed bag with some stories being fantastic and others absolutely shit.

>>93955397
I wouldn't. This series was at one point considered one of the strongest Spidey series in recent years. It's garnered a lot of hate from those who would dismiss it due to Bendis speak but I think they're missing out. ALso for the past half decade (at least) Slott had been in charge of providing characterization to Peter and that isn't exactly the greatest.

>>93955419
Thanks anon. It happened six years ago so thankfully I've moved passed it but every now and again something will trigger a memory and it's like someone drove a knife through me.

>>93955391
UFF is good though.

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>>93955449
Thanks man. It actually means a lot knowing that people on the internet are willing to express compassion wheras people I know told me I should "get over it".

>>93955504
What are your thoughts on Ultimate X-Men?

>>93955493
I thought the worst of it was Ultimate Doomsday Trilogy (which outright ignored Reed's entire motivations) but then he did it again in Cataclysm where he just ignored important developments that Fialkov had made just to "redo" them in a way that fit his earlier stupidity...

I'm still sore about it.

>>93955504
>UFF is good though.

Who said it wasn't?
I LOVE Ultimate Fantastic Four.

I just think that Bendis continually fucked them up later on.

>>93954573
I feel so bad for Crusher, he's the only person aside from Peter that works in this arena.

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>>93955542
And I can understand why. The Ultimate Universe was at one point my favorite iteration of the Marvel characters and then Loeb decimated the lineup with Ultimatum and I don't feel it ever truly recovered. Not saying I don't enjoy some of the later stories (Ultimate Avengers, Ultimate Spider-Man vol. 2, and many of the Ultimate Comics lineup) but it wasn't quite the same.

>>93955720
Fialkov though...he definitely understood the UFF in a way I hadn't seen in ages.

My god, the backstory he created to explain the idiocy of UDT and Ultimatum made sense. It made sense!

>>93955616
I remember reading a comic- not sure if it was ultimate- about Crusher deciding to become a heel to earn enough money to save his gym, his marriage, and his life. The first fight, it works- the fans hate him, so they pay so much more to beat him.

The next fight, the one that was to cinch it... was against a scrawny kid in a red mask.

>>93955800
I think that was JMS' run

>>93955536
It sucks dick until Bendis gets on at which it becomes tolerable. The issue where Logan has to kill the kid is ome of the best things Bendis has ever written though. There's an excellent fan short film for that btw. Millar just had everyone be an insurable cunt and it was a chore to read.

BKV gets on and then becomes GOAT. Then Kirkman and the dude from Heroes comes in and shits all over everything. By the time Ultimatum hit I was glad to see a lot of them die. Apocalypse was just that much of a shit show and the drug arc destroyed Collosus so fuck that.

Loved Ultimate X, wish it could have kept going. Had an excellent new direction to take and the final issue showed Loeb had a route he was going to go which is when he works best as opposed to meandering around until the mystery needs a beat. Destroying that premise was one of the worst things Hickman has ever done with Marvel. It was X-Men, but off the books black ops. So off the books that it was led by run away Nick Fury and the fucking cannibal Hulk on the roster. Post-Ultimatum also put the remaining X-Men in a rare situation the X-Men had never been in before, it was fresh and what Ultimate Marvel was about.

Nick Spencer came in and it just completely ignored everything that came before it as far as characterizations are concerned, but by the end it was up there with BKV in quality. His plan for Apocalypse was genius: the four horsemen were characters that died in the universe Jean destroyed to beat Apocalypse the first time with the Phoenix Force from Kirkman's shitty run. Blew my mind. Then we had Fialkov come in and I think he could have singlehandedly fixed and saved the entire line, but Secret Wars came in instead. Hickman wasn't even informed of Fialkov's story about universes colliding, which was the same as his Avengers only better, so they didn't even have an actual meeting point despite it lining up on accident perfectly

I typed way more than I meant to Been smoking

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This was definitely not what I expected for the ultimate rendition of Gobby he he grew on me.

>>93955922
>Millar just had everyone be an insurable cunt and it was a chore to read.

Aw, the dancing mushrooms were aces.

Figure I'll ask here instead of making a new thread. For someone who knows shit about Marvel what's a good place to start for 616 Spidey?

>>93955542
>>93955552
Well, that's the weird thing about Ultimate Doomsday. It feels like Bendis had the idea when writing Ultimate Power or Ultimate Origin, both of which I love I should add. The way the story lines up, the reveals in that one issue of the middle series in Doomsday, it feels like Bendis had planned that from then and then Ultimatum happened so he used that as the launching point for this new direction. Ultimate Doomsday itself seems rushed with bizarre art errors, it's not very good, but this at least seems planned. It's sad remembering Bendis used to be good

>>93955970
Ultimate Norman is such a monster of a human being that him turning into this just makes sense. A manifestation of his own evilness.

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>>93956029
The answer is going to greatly vary depending on who you're asking. In terms of recent Spidey, Slott's tenure started on #648.

One could also jump on with issue #546 which was the start of Brand New Day.

You could go further and start with JMS' run on Spidey but I don't know exactly what issue he started on.

You could also start with Spectacular Spider-Man which was written by Jenkins.

Or you could start at the very very beginning with Stan Lee's initial issues.

Ultimate Origin is just good ass shit. It was like Ultimate Marvels

>>93956029
Modern take: JMS, read until you just want to shoot yourself in the head
Classic take: Lee, same as above

>>93956090
Yeah, my main beef with Ultimate Doomsday Trilogy is strictly on a UFF level.

As I have maintained - Reed would have just LEFT.

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For just once I'd like to see the authorities actually written like compentent individuals than gun happy psychos. As much as I disliked Homecoming, the fact the police didnt' open fire on him made me happy.

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Being Harry is suffering.

>>93956148
I know Morrison was originally going to do UFF so he was probably going to apply his 1234 Sperg Reed to Ultimate Reed, but I think Ultimate Reed was on the spectrum regardless. They way he behaved any time towards Namor and then to just completely turn away from Sue.

>>93956287
Aye, but you got UDT's whole idea of him being a school shooter type.

Reed's character wasn't hard. And he had made development. He spent his whole life trying to leave his universe because he felt he didn't belong. Then he felt being a superhero was how he fit.

He would have just left. Not try to kill and blow shit up.

Fialkov made so much sense of it and Bendis still fucked it.

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The fact that Shocker was a thug that would randomly appear during Ultimate Spider-Man's free roaming mode is just one of the many reasons it's my favorite Spider-Man game.

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>>93956325
>Fialkov made so much sense of it and Bendis still fucked it.
Is it weird that I consider Fialkov's Ultimates run to be one of teh stronger stories in the Ultimate Universe? It was only a few issues but for some reason it stuck with me.
>Hulk getting his hands on the infinity gauntlet was fun as fuck.

>>93955970
So my first exposure to Ultimate Green Goblin was the back of the ps2 game and I mistook him for the Hulk.

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>>93956376
Easy mistake. At first glance he looks exactly like one would expect Ultimate Hulk to look like but then he starts creating fireballs from his hands and his voice is genuinely unsettling.

>>93956367
I wouldn't go as far as to say that but it is a pretty decent run so late in the game.

>>93951663
>Sounds like a woman

Damn, how sexist.... it truly was a differ3nt time. Can't believe I'm dropping it on the first page

>>93956376
Same. I was confused as to why I was fighting a flaming hulk.
My only previous knowledge of the Green Goblin was from the Spider-Man movie

>>93956325
>>93956367
Aye, Fialkov was great.
>MCU's origin of two infinity gauntlets
>in cannibal Hulk's hands
>YOU GUYS ARE FUCKING SCREWED
Although, I didn't like him turning Tony's tumor into a gem. I liked Anthony

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>>93956406
That's probably it. I didn't hate Humphries issues but Fialkov was such a breath of fresh air.

>>93956446
I liked Anthony too.

And Watcher's explanation was so good.
Plus, it's silly but the reversal of "All hope lies in Reed" was fun.

>>93956420
PUSSY

>>93956327
And Boomerang. Shame there was no Punisher

>>93951868
Hlw can this Flash be an Alpha Chad with that bowl haircut?

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>>93956446
>I liked Anthony
I really ended up liking Anthony. His conversations with Tony about not growing any larger and how they could be pals was unlike anything I had seen so far. It felt distinctly like an Ultimate Universe idea.

>>93956475
>And Boomerang
UGGGGGG!!!! I need to play this game again.

>>93956713
>Benis Spidey quips actually being funny

When did it all go so wrong?

>The game teased Sandman
I will never not be mad.

>>93956837
You know we got him in the comic, right?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/37068/1063544-sandman.jpg

>>93956685
>>93956700
I've always liked the Enforcers! I'm glad Ultimate gave them some love.

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>>93956782
When Marvel decided it hated that the Ultimate Universe was more successful than 616 and then ruined it beyond all reason with terrible characterizations and shit events. Bendis also started phoning it end near the end of Vol. 1 but that's just me.

>>93951519
can some one redirect me to the part 2 or the symbiot story time? cant seem to find it in the archives.

>>93956887
>Vol. 1

No way. It was consistently great up until the first annual.

>>93953060
I like Spider-Chad

616 Peter never got this physical besides that boxing match.

>>93956420
I know what a girl sounds like

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>>93956888
Part 1
>>93926519

Part 2
>>93932281

>>93956867
Just checked out issue 17. He literally got one panel. Kinda sad.

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>>93956942
It's been a while since I've read it so there's a good chance it's solid all the way through.

>>93956950
Thank you kind sir, keep em coming!

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>>93956948
HA!

>>93956950
Yeah I always was expecting him to come back for his own arc or something but it never happened. Fucking Bendis. But that's the Ultimate U for you.

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Why do artists continuously decide to make Kingpin as large as a freaking dump truck? His portrayal at the end of the Clone Conspiracy makes him look like he could literally eat a human being with minimal effort and that's straight up ridiciulous. Making him a bigger guy is one thing. Making him look like a a planet is just bad design.

>>93957024
Kingpin looks like he's the dame size as that second stage Venom.

>>93956915
Really Flash? You remember who broke your hand?

>>93957052
For a big man he got up there fast as hell

>>93957024
>we will probably never get a gangland movie/storyarc in the MCU

Feels pretty bad. Ultimate Spidey and Spectacular Spider-Man made that stuff very interesting.

>>93956887
I give it until the end of Cataclysm. Miles was solid until Peter came back.

>>93957052
If Pete curled up into a ball, Kingpin could fit his entire hand around him

>>93957093
>Miles was solid until Peter came back.
Was pointless thing to do even considering they killed him and the Ultimate universe off months later.
I'm at least glad Bombshell seemed to survive

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>>93957008
He wasted Scorpion as a character. He would have made an amazing addition after Peter's death and it could have been a natural way to reintroduce a Peter into the universe but Bendis decided to never do anything with him. Fucking hack.

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>Who sent you?
>Uh...Uh...Carson Daily?
I'm dying.

I know Peter in this universe is weaker than his 616 counterpart but there is literally no reason for him not to lay out Kingpin with a straight up punch.


>>93957083
Did Tombstone ever get an Ultimate makeover?

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>>93957093
>Miles was solid until Peter came back.
I'll give you that. I'm taking a peek at the later issues and I gotta say, better than I remember. Having 616 Mysterio dimension hop and to Ultimate Universe and try to make a name for himself was fucking genius and Chameleon's later appearance in this universe was terrifying

>>93957137
>considering they killed him and the Ultimate universe off months later.
We don't know that for certain.

>>93956950
>>93957008
Ultimate Six and Death of Spider-Man. Hell, the Sandman issue is packed with Ultimate Six in the trade

>>93957182
No

>>93957220
I mean, yes he showed up in the Six arcs but never solo. That's what I meant.

>>93957240
Ah, yeah. I didn't like how weightless of a character he was. Especially compared to 616 Sandman.

>>93957232
>>93957238
>>93957197
I always thought/was hoping they were going to make Electro in ASM2 like Ultimate Electro as in more of an enforcer in the movie. Like Oscorp would have him take out any scientists that got a little too moral or nosy reporters. I imagined Jaime Foxx playing him like Bats in Baby Driver (great movie). But not they made him a fucking scientist who gets in an accident. Fucking Sony

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God damn this is brutal.

>>93957220
I just realized I have Ultimate Six. I'll be sure to storytime that along with the other issues. Not sure if I'm going to include Ultimatum though.

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>>93957304
I agree with everything you posted.

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Hard to imagine this scene without people pulling out there phones and taking a picture. Then again these individuals are older and probably don't give a shit about that. Also Fisk probably confiscated all of their phones for safety reasons.

>>93957304
>But not they made him a fucking scientist who gets in an accident.
Not just that, they made him an autistic electrical engineer that worked around radioactive electric eels.
I don't know what the fuck Sony was thinking with ASM2

>>93957324
>Anything else, Boss?
>Yes. Find this Carson Daily person and destroy him
Kek

>>93957351
I feel like they were thinking of Spectacular Spider-man, because I recall Electro was made in just about the same manner in that.