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Why are almost all female villains either generic psycho bitches

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Why are almost all female villains either generic psycho bitches or reluctant henchwomen who redeem themselves as soon as they get blacked by the hero? And the ones who are actually cold, calculating and irredeemable are always old ladies?
Why can't we have a sweet, cute, attractive girl who secretly orchestrates evil shit for petty reasons such as power, revenge, to fuck with the hero or simply because she can? Someone who gets fucked up by the hero, instead of literally getting fucked into joining the good side.
Even the few female villains who -are- like that are typically cheap inferior knockoffs of male antagonists, and they almost never get to fight the male hero, or they do fight and the male inevitably loses.
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I personally want more hapless, comically inept female villains
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>>93928201
Demonstrate further with examples
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>>93928226
like White Rabbit?
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>>93928201
Women don't think big. They can still plot and scheme well if they have a personal grudge (especially against another woman) but otherwise it's just not in them. Plus nobody honestly wants to watch a woman get destroyed outside of porn.
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>>93928201
Most people are incapable of seeing something they think is cute and thinking ill of it, so when they see a cute girl being a villain they always want to see her redeemed because the idea that she's truly evil and has to die triggers them.

Just look at how they've started pushing Harley Quinn more and more into a quirky anti-hero role in recent years.
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>>93928456
>Plus nobody honestly wants to watch a woman get destroyed outside of porn.

Speak for yourself.
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>>93928456
But there are plenty of female characters who get to think big, make grand plans, etc. Just not as villains.
>>93928470
>being evil means you have to die
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>>93928201

Because, barring the crazy ones that are into shit like eco terrorism or anarchy for the hell of it, or the ones out for some kind of revenge, all of your average lady villains tend to want the same thing.
A comfortable lifestyle and to want for nothing. To achieve a hedonistic lifestyle as quickly and cleanly as possible, with as little work as possible.

And, should they want even more power? More luxury? To feel like a queen reigning over her subjects with an iron fist?
Well there's a plethora of available male super villains, whom are more likely to be the ambitious world dominating type due to biological programming and a need to be in charge.
So why should an attractive young woman bother building up a criminal empire, when there are perfectly suitable and like-minded men she can spread her legs for?
Charming a man and getting him to let you reap the benefits of his power is easier than amassing that power for yourself. Especially when a skilled enough seductress can subtly bend that male villain into doing what she wants anyway, at least from time to time.

It also gives the female and out. If, hypothetically, Emma Frost went full evil and broke through the iron will that is DOOM with her charm, she could just throw her hands up in the air and say "I'm just a concubine! I had nothing to do with it!" the next time S.H.I.E.L.D. launches a full on assault on Latveria because Doom blew up a section of the multiverse out of boredom or something.

Of course, by the time they get to this
>And the ones who are actually cold, calculating and irredeemable are always old ladies?
They're too old and shriveled to seduce their way into a criminal empire, so at that point doing all the work themselves is the only option.
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>>93928201
>this mass generalization of female villains
Fuck you OP, your topic is shit.
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>>93928201
>attractive girl who secretly orchestrates evil shit for petty reasons such as power, revenge, to fuck with the hero or simply because she can? Someone who gets fucked up by the hero, instead of literally getting fucked into joining the good side.
>tfw my antagonist for my story fits right in there
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>>93928391
I think it's been shown that while she's a decent villain/criminal, she's just a bad *super*villain.
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>>93928201
There was that Savages movie with Salma Hayek as a leader of a major drug cartel(the movie itself sucked). It kinda has what you're looking for.

If you want to see/read anything like you're asking for, then start reading about female drug cartel leaser from real life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griselda_Blanco
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because of an unspoken rule when it comes to villainy

namely the "if you have hots for the bad guy it makes anything they do redeemable"

generally male heroes will have the hots for bad girls because male heroes are more common
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>>93928391
So did she take the deal?
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Shit, when did the CURRENT YEAR meme start? It was like 2015 right? I can't believe it's been two years
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>>93928201
Women can't be good villains.
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>>93930179
good for you, anon!
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>>93928201
>Why can't we have a sweet, cute, attractive girl who secretly orchestrates evil shit for petty reasons such as power, revenge, to fuck with the hero or simply because she can?
Pic related

But I agree with you, op. Writers want be seen as feminist by including "strong female characters," but they hardly break from the standard female cliches and stereotypes, especially for villainesses. They fail to realize women can be awful in just as many ways a man can. They're so wrapped up with portraying "positive" or "empowering" female characters that they forget women can be complex, yet rotten human beings. In some writers eyes, women can't be truly as evil as a man because they're supposed to be the gentler and more innocent sex. Female villains resolve this contradiction by either eventually turning good, or being straight up crazy and detaching them from any real morals.

Basically, writer's can't detach themselves from female gender norms and stereotypes even when trying to be progressive.
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>>93929571
Yeah, evoking hate is a pretty important quality for a villain to have. Even if they don't die they need to get a comeuppance and the audience needs to be happy they did.
>>93928470
>what is mean girls
the counterargument to pretty much everything in this thread
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Remember when Disney made a story with a villainess abandoning her society, throwing away all her consideration for her fellow human beings in order to escape social obligations, but then they thought that was empowring so they made her the hero?
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