Reminder that Snyder almost ruined Wonder Woman too and people

Reminder that op is faggot.

>>93923089
So this bitch abandoned the world after WW1 ,but then the story was dropped and now looks like she kept fighting for humans after WW1, right?

Except nobody heard of her for 100 years so she still abandoned everyone and kept to herself.

How is giving a character depth enough to become disillusioned & broken by humanity horrid nature ruining her?
Your asking for a bright happy fantasy land were the tragedies of the world have zero weight & our lead characters aren't emotionally effected by them at all.

>>93924612
>have zero weight & our lead characters aren't emotionally effected by them at all.

Sounds like a capeshit movie alright.

>>93924285

I'm saying perfect chance for Secret Agent Diana

>>93924612
>How is giving a character depth enough to become disillusioned & broken by humanity horrid nature ruining her?
Because that's literally antithetical to her point. You faggots keep demanding "realism" in a fantasy concept. And because you're such fedora tippers you confuse cynicism and disillusionment with realism and maturity.

>>93924693
This is the brilliant retcon that manages to save Diana from Snyder's bullshit. Have her spend that 100 years as spy Wonder Woman. Marvel gets blown the fuck out because they'd have to compare Black Widow to the biggest name in female capes, and you have a perfect excuse to work in the invisible jet.

>>93924693
nothing matters because she doesn't give a fuck about humans, or she does now? stupid big ass plothole.

>>93924722
Marvel literally cannot lose tho.

>>93924612
but you can't rule out the good things. Also, WW movie did just that: men are evil BUT ALSO GOOD.
Ok, Bruce says just that in BxS. Maybe Snyder used WW as a ladder to show Bruce renewed optimism

>>93924790

no you give her some bullshit where as a spy she's been stopping Kobra or Egg Fu or whatever from destroying the world and no one has ever known bc spy

>>93924802
They can lose battles. The war is another story.

>>93924873
they haven't lost either at any point since the start tho

>>93924873
Nothing they have done has failed so far.

>>93924873
Marvel won the war before it even began.

>>93924900
They did lose getting the first major female cape solo out, because
-Wright fucked off to make other movies when he should've been making Ant Man and introducing Wasp
-Black Widow can't lead her own movie
-Nobody gives a shit about Carol no matter how much they try and force her into being a bigger meme than Milhouse
-All their other famous female characters are tied up in rights issues.
Wonder Woman was WB's win. And it's about time too because they haven't had a good (or even decent IMO) cape movie since The Dark Knight.

you fags will complain about everything

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>>93924693
>>93924285
>>93924722
>>93923089
show me one scene in BvS that actually says she gave up on humanity, I'll wait. Just because she was in the shadows and hiding, and had become disillusioned with humanity after WW1, doesnt mean she gave up on them completely. She can be against humanity as a whole (as far as our general direction as a people) and still have helped the good and righteous. You people are autistic.

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OP here, I was wrong

Retards are STILL defending this

>>93925338
Right here on my Reddit fanfic!

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>>93923089
Do you guys not understand what a character arc is?

They all parallel each other.


Coming from a place of optimism, WW tries to help humanity, sees the good and the bad, but ultimately decides that no matter what she tries she will never have an impact big enough to save humanity from itself. This is pretty reasonable given the fallout of WW1, the death of her first real love, and what she saw.
Coming from a palce of pessimism, Batman tries to help humanity, sees the good and the bad, but ultimately decides that no matter what he tries, he will never have an impact big enough to save humanity from itself. This is pretty reasonable given that, from his perspective, the only real superheroes are him and his adopted children--one of which gets murdered because of his crusade.
Then you have Superman. Coming from a mindset of unwaivering altruism, while keeping in mind that every action has a reaction/consequence. Clark (and then later as Superman) tries to help humanity, seeing both the good and the bad.


Then we get to BvS, a couple of years into Clark's career as Superman. This is where Superman reaches the same point Batman and WW did, the point where they decided that no matter what they try, they will never have an impact big enough to save humanity from itself. They both retired from being superheroes, WW helping from the shadows and Bruce just running his company (persumably in an altruistic way like in the comics).

Bruce comes out of retirment briefly, with the goal of ending Superman before he falls like Batman himself has, and giving Batman a way to actually make lasting impact on the world.


Superman reaches the crisis point that WW and Batman reached and turned away from. But Superman doubles down, he decides to keep being a hero no matter what. This, in turn, inspires in Batman and WW a renewed sense of hope, thus completing all three character arcs.

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>>93923089
My only gripe is her tiny boobies
#NotMyWW

>>93924970
Yeah they really didn't because they will make more money than anything before.

And in the meantime? they are still making 1B+ in profit every 6 months

>>93925716
>retired
but Bruce was branding people everywhere all those 18 months

>>93924900
>spiderman underperform while wonder woman get all the money
>WW to be a bigger origin story than any origin movie on MCU
>DCEU avarege box office

WW is a solid victory,MCU just got stomped hard right now

>>93926258
I meant Batman had retired prior to BvS. And he doesnt start branding people until that drug trafficker bit.

>>93925716
Man, these movies sure are shit.

"I will make the hatcher shit intentionally, just for the end of the movie they wi learn how to act like their comic counterparts" hell, it's the same shitty execuses that snydercucks were saying at the end of MOS.

I'm glad that Johns rewrotte the script on set, and retconed snyder's bulshit, it ended up being proof of what a hack him and Goyer are.

>>93924696
Fuck you nigga The highest truth you can learn is that all existence is suffering. Wobder woman was right on the money,
The world is a beatiful place to live in but beauty can't hide the evil that lurks within.

>>93926448
What are you talking about? Have you never read any of the comic stories where they retire/are out of action for whatever reason? Like 52?

And Snyder wrote the story for WW (in fact WB wanted to shut down WW multiple times, but Snyder kept the project alive) and Johns wasnt working on the DCEU until after WW had wrapped. JL is the first movie Johns is working on, and even that had started shooting before Johns was on board.


I'm sorry you are so misiniformed, but I am happy to educate you.

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>>93924873
Why do you fatass neckbeards care about company wars?

>>93924285
Thing is the brits were the big bad guys during the 19th century and the start of the 20th. Snyder was really into WW1 and probably wanted to talk about the British Empire, the fuck ups in Ireland, Africa and Asia but WB got scared and didn't want to make the eternal Anglos mad. I hope diana fights in Asia and see how the Americans nuke Japan.

>>93924612
>Your asking for a bright happy fantasy land were the tragedies of the world have zero weight & our lead characters aren't emotionally effected by them at all.

>the only "depth" Snyderfags understand is 2edgy4you shit
These superheros are supposed to contrast the world not conform to it you fucking faggot.

Plus the DC world isn't even supposed to be that dark, Marvel is usually the edgy one.

>>93928303
Because if you have no actual accomplishments, you can always join a team and vicariously take credit for theirs.

>>93928415
>I hope diana fights in Asia and see how the Americans nuke Japan.
We were justified in nuking Japan.

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I love how that bit about her sitting out World War 2 was soft retconned in Wonder Woman. Especially now that Wonder Woman 2 is supposed to be another period piece, we're basically about to learn that Diana didn't abandon anything and has been active in the world up to the present day.

>>93928520
Evil still has to exist.

>>93928594

It's supposed to be set in the 1980s involving the commies. So totally ignoring WWII, Korea and, for that matter, Vietnam (to be USA-centric), not to mention the wars in the Middle East, Africa, or any other hot spots prior to the 80s.

>execs are convinced that female cape flicks can't sell
>WW fights and claws its way to existence, makes a cool 700mil
...

>>93924612
>>93924612
Same way 2 parents in a dark alley with 2 bullets and a gun ruined Bruce Wayne's future as a genuine billionaire playboy.

Since Ares confirmed that only a god can kill another god and Diana is essentially a god, does that mean that only a god can kill Diana? If that is the case, wouldn't getting hit by bullets ultimately wouldn't matter in the end since bullets are not a god.

>>93928789
Just makes it even dumber that she wasn't the one who killed "Doomsday."

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>>93928823
Doomsday isn't a god. He is the child born between the gay union of Zod and Lex Luthor.

>>93928894
Exactly, so he couldn't have killed Diana is my point.

>>93928915
>>93928789
God shit tends to get kinda murky when alien shit is involved. That whole having dominion over man tends to blur when you involve those outside of men and the Earth altogether.

>>93928972
Just saying, sounds like she's basically immortal, and at the least she's not vulnerable to kryptonite.

>>93928643
Those scoopers didn't get that they are remaking the TV show
It won't be the 80s, it will be the 70s

>>93928631
Sure and the superheros are supposed to oppose it, not agree with it and give up.

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>>93925716
This guy gets it.

>>93928972
Not that difficult really. Kryptonians aren't gods. Oans are't gods. New Gods and Apokoliptians are gods.

>>93928823
Doomsday was a huge counter to her considering half her abilities are energy based and he feeds off of energy.

>>93929115
She could have used the spear.

>>93929082
That guy is you

>>93929031
>sequel will basically just be the Lynda Carter show
I mean, am I the only one who thinks that sounds cool?

Shit, if we really are going full on Secret Agent Diana with this, I say go for it.

Spinning is mandatory though. Go hard or go home.

>>93925716
But WW is pessimistic in 2016 and then finally optimistic in 1914? Her emotions trave though time

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>>93924285
>Super powered god being traversing the world, displaying her powers openly
>people "forget" in less than 100 years and are amazed when superman shows up
y tho

>>93929371
Wonder Woman didn't seem that popular. She didn't reveal herself to the government technically, she didn't catch a plane and land it on a ball diamond; all she did was save a small village that gets gassed anyways and blow up an airstrip that was barely populated.

tl;dr: we haven't been shown her "traversing the world showing her powers" on screen, so we can assume it didn't happen.

>>93929878
Isn't she jumping from big ben or some such at the end of the movie?

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>>93928594
The fact that the first one was a period piece to begin with infuriates me to no end. I highly doubt another one will calm me down.

>>93929951
That's after BvS, where she made a very public appearance fighting Doomsday already. The secret is out on her, so she doesn't try.

>>93930000
No I'm pretty sure that happened at the end of WW.

>>93930012
Her jumping through the skies of Paris happened at the end of WW, which is after the end of BvS, so her existence is known, is what I'm saying.

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>>93928594
>wonder woman
>period piece
>>93930052
I see. I must have missed it being modern day.

>>93929142
Supes isnt an asshole like that.
She was restraining Doonsday. If she had nobody couldve used the spear.

And why would Supes let stranger deal with what is almost his fault.

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>>93930073
pe·ri·od piece
ˈpirēəd pēs
noun
noun: period piece; plural noun: period pieces
an object or work that is set in or strongly reminiscent of an earlier historical period.

wow, a tripfag being a dumbass. who'da thunk

>>93928643
>believing that they have the fucking first sentence of the sequel already

>>93923089
She looks like a chipmunk.

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How much longer until DC and Marvel give us the JLA vs Avengers? Wonder Woman having a connection to Marvel's Hercules was a fun little thing I always wanted to see explored further.

>>93930182
>the joke
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>your head
Wow. An anon being a dumbass. Who'da thunk.

>>93930147
>what is almost his fault.
Almost his fault? It was definitely his fault for leaving behind a valuable corpse like that.

>>93929142
She can't fly so she wouldn't be able to build up enough momentum to pierce Doomsday all the way. Jump good just isn't enough.

>>93930631
Its not like he knew they would be able to cut it. Until the kryptonite they werent.
It was just a useless cadaver in the government's handsm

>>93931337
Pretty sure she flew in the Ares fight though, like still hovering.

>>93928561
The war was already over, and everyone in military leadership said it was unnecessary, but okay.

>>93928594
what part of BvS ever said she sat out of WW2 completely?

>>93929094
actually they are gods, or the equivalent there of. Since they are the fifth world.

>>93929262
is it so hard to comperhend someone starting optimistic, losing that optimism, and then regaining it because of someone else's heroic sacrifice?

>>93932152

>is it so hard to comperhend someone starting optimistic, losing that optimism, and then regaining it because of someone else's heroic sacrifice?

Because we need to see that happening, you can't build a character arc out of assumptions.

Half of the BvS defense strategy is making up whatever thematic pottery you can come up with and claiming that anyone wanting any in-movie clarification for your fanfiction is asking to be spoonfed.

>>93932326
....but we do see that happen. The only thing we dont see is Batman's career, but we have been seeing Batman's career in movies and on television for over 50 years now.

>>93932326
>We see Wonder Woman start optimistic and then lose it in WW
>we see her regain it due to a heroic sacrifice in BvS


Are you......... are you retarded?

>>93931609
Everyone in military leadership also thoight the Soviets would be bros after the war.

The meme of the invasion of the mainland would be somehow easy falls apart when they still refused to surrender after Hiroshima and ignores the soviets would have been necessary to help passivate. You do not want the Soviets occupying territory if they were fighting before.

>>93926430
branding is a prison curse much before that

>>93928303
Because you are a loser that cares to reply.

>>93932112
Are you a retard? clearly says she abandoned humanity until supes sacrifice changed her mind.

>>93925338
t. attention span zero

>>93925342
Nobody in his right mind would defend Quitting Woman

>>93932152
Pessimism is her only trait on BvS: yawn of justice

I thought it was Joss Whedon that almost ruined Wonder Woman

>>93925338
The only proof of her (and Amazons) existence in the entire world is an old photo from 100 years ago.

God, dcucks are getting more autistic each day.

>>93926366
Disney is suffering and crying billions anon.

>>93928594
The only thing the DCEU has done is WW's armpits. Discuss.

>>93930073
That's because England is still a shithole.

>>93934207
They are the biggest cancer upon the entertainment industry, it's true

Nobody even cares about that shitty plothole barrier disappearing just because?
I means it breaks open or close itself? Surely the ships took note of the coordinates.
ffs

>>93928789
>ares = god
>diana = demi-god

What part of this is difficult to understand?

>>93934193
Literally one dude survived to get off the island and he died a week later.
So of its just Diana then she can stay pretty hidden.

>>93934286

The barrier around the island opens and closes when it needs to get the story going just like in the comics.

They stayed hidden long before boats most likely it redirects them if they get too close.

>>93923089
>Believe killing Ares will fix things
>Realize humans kind of suck, but there are those who will work to make it better
>Kill Ares, WWI ends
>Humans go ahead and create an even worse war 30 yeas later, and then promptly follow it up with the threat of nuclear annihilation for 50 years

Yeah, I'd be a little burned out on humanity if I was Diana too.

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>>93925338
2h49m12s in the extended cut.

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>>93926430
18 reports within a month.

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>>93935989
Dozens of branded criminals = several months

>>93935293
Hey, they don't even get that Greek gods aren't the omniscient and omnipotent Gods their monotheistic religion has.

>>93935956
it doesn't count

>>93935956
Good thing its only in the extended cut. That line makes zero sense for their plans with WW2.

>>93936090
>>93936061
I'm pretty sure this was in the theatrical cut as well. I only have the extended cut on my PC.
And it does count for Snyder's purists, which are the ones trying to defend this shit, since they always claim you should judge BvS by the extended cut and not the theatrical, since this was Snyder's vision.

>>93936090
She's counting in Amazon years

>>93923089
>Man made a world where standing together is impossible
Just try and get more than five women in a room together for an hour without it turning into a hair-pulling, clawing catfight
Cannot be done

>>93928520
The DC world is darker than marvel. Had has always been darker. Marvel was angsty and teen like. You are buying marvel propaganda. They sold comics for decades pretending to be more adult. They were not.

>>93928561
American education is always a joke. It was a dick wave to the soviets and nothing more.

>>93936523
I think they mean man like mankind.
If they meant males they would have said "men".

>>93926448
>being this much of a marvel mental midget.

>>93936126
For fucks sake, wb got scared of showing ww1 as something terrible, that's why you don't see the bodies in the fucking town. That's why brits are shown as heroes when in 1918 were still the fucking British Empire, a source of suffering so big that made the Ottoman empire look like nice lads.

WB got scared and went for a generic story. Snyder probably wanted to show Diana disgusted with the brits and leaving Europe to hang around in the third world or some shit like that. It's not a plot hole, it's an idea that wasn't developed because WB lacks balls.

>>93936523
by man she means mankind in general. Take your autism pills.
>>93928520
>marvel is darker.
Name one (1) character in marvel that comes clsoe to the martian manhunter

>>93937785
He is a Johnsfag, not a marvelfag.

>>93936126
It makes perfect sense for her to walk away from mankind as a whole because her entire character arc was to stab ares and free mankind of war. Ares was just twiddling his thumbs and letting mankind kill itself while he was just egging them on. Even after killing ares mankind doesn't stop warring between itself.

This is not rocket science.
-WW thinks killing Ares will stop all wars and evil and its gonna be rainbows and smiles and shit.
-Trevor and Ares proves her that ultimately humanity is flawed and you cant change humn nature.
-After stopping WW1, she witneses WW2 and all the other shit humans doing and says fuck you all.
-In BvS she gets inspired from Supes and his sacrifice
-Also Batman helping her find Trevor's photo reminds her that she can at least try.

Also for charcters read this guy>>93925716

And wait for JL to get the versions of charcters you all know and love.

>>93937840
Warlock is a nice comparison cause he's a shapeshifter and (nearly) the last of his species.

His dad is the other one, who is hunting him through the universe to kill him.

>>93930204
> not understanding that screen plays, more than books, plays or any other type of written word, start with an idea. Which needs to get greenlit (even Spielberg has to get those, you know). So someone needs to say, "Hey, how about...." AND then the script gets written.

That's why you see all those "STORY BY" credits and someone else does the actual heavy lift and gets credited with "Written by" or "Screenplay by."


tl;dr Congrats. You're an IDIOT

>>93930320

She's got a connection to Thor as well. Depending on how the write the back history, the connection to Hercules isn't always a positive one with the Amazons, BTW.

>how much longer

Like never. Not until Marvel Studios has become the current Star Trek or worse and even then, no.

>>93937914
>And wait for JL to get the versions of charcters you all know and love.

I don't think so. The not-quite NotWally version of Barry doesn't really work well on the DCW and it's going to work even less as a friendless kid, which was probably a decent idea when they were thinking of a Cyborg team-up movie, but I could care even less about Victor, irrespective of his personality and prefer to wait for Mamoaman's proper debut.

And as for Batfleck, I'd rather see 2 plus hours of Irons Alfred trolling Bruce (which Matt Reeves won't give us) than anything with him.

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>>93939660
>NotWally version of Barry doesn't really work
It worked in animation?

>>93939570
Nigga im talking about folks saying the excat plot of WonW2 is gonna be this and this during tge cold war.
The Wrap 'confirmed' this and tgen at the end literally says that there is no confirmation from WB meaning its not true.
And its was made by one asshole who saw Atomic Blonde.

>>93928789
Only a god can kill another god, but that doesn't mean a non-god couldn't beat the ever-loving shit out of a god if they happened to be strong enough to crack continents.

>>93941640
And it could just be the Greek gods never having met non godly threat.

>>93941888
That too.

>>93937860
Did you even watch the ending of the WW movie? Because she pretty much contradicts what you say, and it makes no sense within her character arc to just give up at that point.
You know, character arcs? That thing Snyder fans always seem to love that much.

>>93937838
>For fucks sake, wb got scared of showing ww1 as something terrible, that's why you don't see the bodies in the fucking town.
It's a PG-13 superhero film, which Patty Jenkins seems to understand, unlike Snyder who makes movies too confusing for young people and too stupid for the older ones. They do show casualties of war, they show several injuried and dead soldiers, they show a family split apart, and they do show some of the bodies in the town. Just because they don't go for shock value as a manchild like Snyder would do, it doesn't mean they try to ignore it.
A director needs to know what kind of movie is doing, and what effect he wants to produce on the film audience. Snyder has only managed for people to feel confusion, boredom, or simple apathy and that's why none of his DCEU movies had any life after the opening weekend. Jenkins managed to engage people and so you have a movie like to re-watch and recommend to other people. It's pretty simple.

>>93936523
lol at these triggered faggots that now think that every time somebody says "men" they mean male and not humans. They're using the same logic than the SJWs who complain about sexist language and all that shit. It's hilarious how they don't realize how much alike they are.