So now that the dust has settled, and Marvel has officially ruined

>>93868497
Can we all agree OP is a faggot and that starting any thread with "Now that the dust has settled" is fucking cancer?

>>93868518
I disagree

Now that Spider-Man: Homecoming was a piece of shit, can we agree that the dust has settled?

>>93868535
interesting opinion you've got there... strange, but interesting.

Now that the Spider-Man has dusted, can we all settle that the dust has agreed?

>>93868562
Spider-Man Homecoming has a serious case of Dark Knight Rises, where people like it when it comes out because of the hype train, but give it a few months or a year and people are going to realize "You know, outside of the few memes that came out of this, it wasn't that great"

Now that dust has settled on settled dust, can we all agree that maybe the settling of dust has gone too far?

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>>93868613
So around the time the dust settles?

>>93868685
Yes

>>93868613
nah it hit so many great beats that were for the readers while still being fresh and not slavishly repeating the same old stories from the comics. face it. the mouse fixed the spider.

>>93868715
>For the readers

Of the comics? Homecoming isn't anything like the comics, it's not supposed to be if it's a reimagining of him.

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WILL YOU STOP IT WITH ALL THE FUCKING DUST BEFORE I GO T-1000 ON ALL OF YOU

>>93868497
Just saw it.

This was fucking excellent, easily up there with the actually good MCU films. Everything /co/ said would be shit was great, everything /co/ predicted was wrong, and even everything I had huge doubts about turned out to be pretty fantastic.

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>>93868609
That's a definite yes, friendo.
The dust has agreed, we can all settle, the movie has dusted.

>>93868739
I never heard it called a reimagining at any point. Maybe in that its a pastiche of different eras of spiderman that incorporates specific comic elements but not whole distinct arcs, for the purpose of bringing decades of canon into form as a coherent movie that interlocks with the rest, but that's what all of the marvel movies have done.

>>93868739
yes of the comics. even though it is not like the comics it still had so many moments that were designed to be for the people who actually read spidey. knocked it out of the park on this one!

>>93868992
Give it a rest, professor.

>>93868873
/co/ is the worst for predictions. The only time I remember them being right was with Fant4stic.

>>93869075
fan4stic was doomed(pun intended) from the beginning. Sony, if you're listening the first thing to doing a good fantastic four movie is get doom right. give us Latveria/ magic/the suit all of it.

>>93868497
So now that the Marvel has dusted, and Spider-Man has officially settled movie, can this agree that we bad wasn't that movie afterall?

>>93869045
>It's not like the comics
>But it's like the comics

It doesn't work that way

>>93869272
sure it does when you have good writers! what is nuance

>>93868497
I thought all you ASM Spider-Man fags had killed yourselves by now.

How disappointing.

>>93868497
Spider-fags are never fucking happy, are they?

>>93869132
>Doomfags

>>93869272
Sure it does.

>>93869323
>>93869591
No it doesn't, because if it's reimagined, it's made to not be like the comics.

>>93869549
you're right they should start with mole man!

>>93868613

wow, guys, this anon can see the fucking future

what other things can you tell us will happen, anon?

>>93869629
that doesn't mean that you can't nod to the readers and this movie did that part flawlessly

>>93869416
Nah they're full with this weird rage like this one >>93869345.

>>93869641
Well I mean maybe they should? Why not save Doom for a second film or something? They keep blowing their load with him and I actually liked the actors who they got to play him but it's such a waste.

>>93868497
Can the "dust has settled" meme please end?

I really loved this movie, for me it is the best spider-man movie.

>>93869735
you're in a big big club with that opinion! :)

>>93869672
Nods and homages are not adaptions.

>>93868613
I actually didn't like it. They made Peter way too incompetent. It was probably for humor but it really didn't work.

>>93870044
They made him irresponsible. He fucks everything up, but he never gets in trouble for it, he rarely gets hurt, people around him barely get hurt and it's seen as fun and games, not life and death.

>>93870169
>but he never gets in trouble for it
He gets his suit taken away
>he rarely gets hurt
He gets trapped under rubble and nearly killed multiple times by Vulture.
>people around him barely get hurt
A lot of them nearly died at the monument and on the ship.

What movie were you watching?

>>93870249
Oh no not his suit! How terrible! Good thing he had a spare and learned nothing from that experience!

>>93870013
semantics are not arguments

>>93870309
He learned that the suit doesn't make him who he is. That's the point Tony was making when he took away the suit that gave him the upgrades. His spare had no upgrades and he couldn't rely on it.

>>93870309
I really liked that he had to go through the final showdown on the plane with the villain in his home made suit! feels like he deserves the cool Karen suit now!

>>93868518
Can we all agree that calling something cancer is retarded?

>>93870249
>A lot of people nearly died
>Nearly

Meanwhile, in the more comic book accurate Spider-Man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_a1_SO8hu0

>>93869132
You mean Fox

>>93870367
That's not loss or a consequence. Tobey lost everything he loved, more or less, and Andrew lost the love of his life. Tom doesn't lose anything, quite literally nothing truly bad happens to him or the people around him, because Spider-Man Homecoming is a reimagining.

>>93868497
Okay, as someone who actually likes the first one, no. It was shit.

>>93870249
>He gets his suit taken away

Poor little white boy

>He gets trapped under rubble and nearly killed multiple times by Vulture.

Generic superhero movie 101

>A lot of them nearly died at the monument and on the ship.

They should have. Iron Man bailing him out teaches him nothing.

>>93870309
First, >>93870367
Second, he learned to stop trying to be like Tony, stop being brash and reckless, and stop sacrificing so much of his personal life. The whole thing was basically a lesson of "be cool, stay in school"

>>93870692
That's not a consequence either, or even a real lesson.

>>93870586
He lost the girl.

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>>93868497
>>93868613
wow this week ass bait again

>>93870711
How is it not a real lesson? The whole movie he was itching at the chance to leave his whole life behind, abandon his friends and family and personal life and just be spider man. It was selfish.

He learned the value of friendship (ned), the value of education, of pursuing a relationship, and that maybe it was just as important for him to be Peter as it was to be Spidey. The whole reason he turns down the offer at the end.

>>93870586
You were a fan of the 90's arcs, weren't you?

>>93870711
It kind of is when you take into consideration how young Peter is in the movie. He's not burdened by adult life or adult things. He's more naive, it completely makes sense in that regard.

>>93869641
I unironically want that. Do something new and fun and crazy.

>>93870806
He learns something the audience already knows as common sense. It's on par with the Amazing Spider-Man 2's D-Line shit, where Peter learns that his dad isn't that bad of a guy, but the audience already knows from the very beginning so there's no real character development anyways

>>93870861
Dude he's fucking 15, you want him to learn the moral dilemma of cheating on his taxes?

>>93870890
And? So was Tobey and Andrew's Spider-Man, they both learn this lesson early on in their respective debuts and proceed to become their own person. Does that make MCU Spider-Man special needs or something if he can't learn the most basic of principles even with above-average intelligence?

>>93868497
Go away, Pascal. You're human-trash and you almost killed Spider-Man (just like you killed Ghostbusters).

>>93871108
Spider-Man still mine, fuckboy. See Venom on October 5th, 2018

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Now that the dust has settled, can we agree that the dust has definitely settled? That there is no more dust in the air, and that the air is, in fact, dust-free? That all the dust is definitely, for sure, either on the ground or laying upon whatever other surfaces where it has settled?

>>93871008
>And? So was Tobey and Andrew's Spider-Man
neither of them were 15 idiot

>>93871296
They were both 15 when they became Spider-Man in their respective debuts. Tobey's movie took place over years.

>>93871489
[citation needed]

>>93871489
Not him, but saying that Tobey's movie takes place over years makes the point of Peter becoming his own person redundant because it only focused on his high school career for half an hour. So we know this Spider-Man has had time to grow into his own person, and since Holland's Spider-Man is 15 and in high school, the movie is about him becoming his own person, that's the point of the movie.

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Homecoming is the best Spider-Man movie with the best adaptation of MJ so far

>>93870543
Also, in the more comic-accurate Spider-Man, he can save a train full of people without them dying.

>>93871715
>picking a frump over literal perfection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0X3CLJVMJU
what's wrong with you?

The last third of Homecoming was incredible, and if the WHOLE MOVIE was like that, I really do think it could have been the best spider-man movie, even WITH the weird fucked up supporting cast.

BUT all the shit with iron man and the suit really soured the rest of the movie for me. It wasn't awful but it really wasn't that good, and it feels like they missed a lot of what's fun about spider-man.

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>>93871795

>frump

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>>93871842
because that's exactly what she looks like in the movie, and not pic related, you fucking retard

>>93868497
It had much better cinematography. And acting. In general, everything except villain part was superior.

>>93871715
INCOMING RETCON

The Amazing Spider-Man movies are true kino. Homecoming was a garbage fire of a Disney channel movie. MCU Spiderboy doesn't belong with the big boys, especially when IronMan has to fucking babysit and hold his hand like an incompetent idiot.

TASM movies are the best.

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>>93871938
>He lied to me

>>93871903

You're not seeing the big picture

she's obviously gonna go through the Allison Breakfast Club cycle

>>93871964
>He hates-ah me

>>93871938
>The Amazing Spider-Man movies are true kino.
Which is why I know not to take your opinion seriously.

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>>93871966
>bro, just wait for the next movie, things are going to be so much better
gee, i haven't heard that before

>>93868518
Especially when it never really settles before the bluray releases. I'm personally done with paying a shit ton of cash to watch Marvel movies in the cinema

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>>93872070

Is that the best example though

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>>93872623
that was the next move? could have sworn there was at least one thing in between

>>93872738

Holy shit that was so bad I forgot about it lul

>>93871964
>Hating on Hans Zimmer's score
>Hating on Pharrell

How does it feel to be a pleb?

>>93868497
Kill yourself. This was one of the worst movies I've ever seen and I can't believe I'm taking your bait.

Never saves the day once.
>inb4 he takes a bike from a thief.
Which promptly got stolen because its New York.
>inb4 he helps an old lady!
Annnd she gave him a churro. Sorry I was under the impression that ACTION was his only reward.

>>93871560
Doesn't that make Homecoming an incompotent movie if Peter learns even less in more time overall though? Because Peter learns every lesson of Homecoming and more when Uncle Ben's not-Sandman killer falls to his death than Tom Holland's Peter does in the course of an entire film

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Just saw Homecoming.

MJ as a rebellious quirky teen who doesn't like The Man. She was there for comic relief but it just reminded me of all the kids I knew in high school who tried to be 'that kid' and it came off as annoying. The person I went to the theater with who thinks protesting is a fun activity CLAPPED for MJ's fight the power attitude. Bad news for her though, all of Spiderman's love interests end up dead or hating him or sometimes exiled in another dimension with amnesia. My friend also complained that Aunt May wasn't given enough to do but considering Aunt May is usually just there to be in danger or almost catch Peter being Spiderman (which is always the most boring part of a spiderman movie) I don't know how she could've really added to it.

Also, CG was laughable in some scenes.

>>93872973
you're moving the goalposts. First it was he didn't learn anything, then it was "not a real lesson" and now it's that he didn't learn ENOUGH.
Face it, tiger. You lost.

>>93873048
I liked how May actually had some good family moments with Peter, agree that she's usually dead weight

>>93873104
No, that's the point. If Tom Holland's Spidey learned nothing of value in the course of two hours, that just makes him a shitty Spider-Man, or the movie poorly written in comparison to the others, including both Amazing Spider-Man movies.

>>93873185
>Learning how to be a responsible person
>not valuable
Pick one

>>93873185
But he didn't learn nothing of value, he learns to be his own person, to value friendship, his education, his family and he put that over his superhero career by the end of it, that was the point of the movie. It's a coming-of-age movie with Spider-Man in it, and it makes sense that he learns these things because he's a young and naive character in the movie.

>>93873185
Good luck trying to convince anyone that the two turds known as the TASM movies are worse than this, bahahaha.

>>93868497
It wasn't bad, it was abominable.

>>93873289
>worse
better.

>>93873308
Yeah the praise it's getting proves this site is full of shills. I've never hated a capeshit protag more than this little annoying shit, it was so embarassing.

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>>93873252
>Learning responsibility
>Homecoming
>Spider-Man
>Responsible in any way, shape or form.

>>93873048

>Comic MJ

Strong, independent, intelligent, does her own thing and doesn't care what others think, hides some of her true feelings.

>Raimi MJ:

Weak, dependent, no demonstration of intelligence, cares what other think (runs off to the popular kids when summoned, goes for Peter because he thinks better of her than other boyfriends, agonizes over reviews, etc), and makes her true feelings abundantly clear. She always has a boyfriend, whether she likes him or not, she emotionally cheats on Harry with Peter, emotionally cheats on John with Peter, leaves John at the altar for Peter, then cheats on Peter with Harry. She's selfish, everything has to be about her. As you've said, she's garbage.

>MCU MJ

Strong, independent, intelligent, does her own thing and doesn't care what others think, hides some of her true feelings.

>>93873288
He learned nothing at all, these are things Peter Parker learns more quickly and efficiently in both series prior, as well as almost every adaption from the numerous comic reboots and the originals, and cartoons.

So you're saying Tom Holland is just a slow learner?

>>93873345
>shills
Knew someone would eventually say this, turns out people who like something you don't makes you a shill, like autistic clockwork.

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>>93873367
Are you really defending SJW MJ?!
LEAVE

>>93873345
To be clear, I was talking about ASM2. Shit's trash. Homecoming is at least a good movie in its own right, even if it isn't necessarily very Spider-Man-y.

>>93873420
He's also younger than any of those adaptions. He learns lessons appropriate to his age, at a reasonable rate.

Being unable to relate to people different from you is a symptom of autism. Have you been checked?

>>93873420
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that due to the age of the character in this version, he's more naive, it makes sense,

>>93873502
He's the same age the entire movie than Tobey and Andrew was when they learned this lesson in their movies. I'll take that as a yes, Tom Holland's Spider-Man is retarded

>>93870692
> Second, he learned to stop trying to be like Tony, stop being brash and reckless, and stop sacrificing so much of his personal life.
Must be why the moment he learned that Adrian was the Vulture, he didn't just call Tony and let him handle this and just enjoy some time with Liz. Heck, he might have just called Tony to ask him to help instead of doing everything himself.
> The whole thing was basically a lesson of "be cool, stay in school"
He pushed away everyone, EVERY SINGLE TIME, trying to tell him to be a normal kid. I don't think he was shown stopping being brash or reckless. Like anywhere in the movie, aside from the finale where it felt like it was played for comedic purpose rather than showing that he actually learning anything - especially with the whole "I-it was just a test, right?". Heck, the movie finishes with him trying on his new costume instead of showing that he indeed learned his lesson.

Dunno, I'm pretty dumb so maybe I missed something.
I mean, I'm okay with nobody dying under his watch, the lack of consequence for his acts or moral dilemma since it's a Disney movie. Heck, I found the humour not to my taste at all but even then, it's fine, I can chalk it up to taste but I dunno, I felt uneasy during the movie.
Like whatever it tried to convey was trash.
Whelp, it's a Disney movie so I don't try to think too hard about this kind of things.

>>93873482
Is it really a good movie in it's own right though? is it? It's probably only a "good movie" in the same way Force Awakens was, where people are so absorbed by the hype it blinds any real merit behind their judgement

>>93873539
No, he isn't. He's fifteen. Tobey and Andrew's characters were around eighteen, if I take into account that both of them were in the final high school year.

>>93873579
I say this as someone with a lot of issues regarding Homecoming: It's a solid movie. It's got moments of fun and tension, some of which are done well, and tells a focused story. That's more than can be said about ASM2.

>>93873539
Nope, you're wrong. Both Toby and Andrew are older than 15 at the start of both of their movies.

>>93873361
He chose to do the right thing instead of Liz

>>93873675
But you know what can be said about Amazing Spider-Man 2? It's an actual Spider-Man movie and not a spin-off of the Avengers.

>>93873579
>Force Awakens
Brilliant. I can cross this off the capeshit argument bingo. How come this movie seems to be mentioned every single time?

>>93868613
I still like The Dark Knight Rises. Thought it was good then and now. It's leagues better than Homecoming.

>>93873677
You mean he has common sense? That's not being responsible, that's being a human being, duh.

>>93873676
They look older because they're older actors, but both are 15 when their respective movie's start in the present time. Spider-Man 2002 has a timeskip and Amazing Spider-Man 2 takes place some years after the first.

>>93873702
Considering Spider-Man's first MCU appearance was in Civil War. This makes sense.

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>>93873702
>But you know what can be said about Amazing Spider-Man 2? It's an ad for Sony products and not a spin-off of the Avengers.
ftfy

>>93873731
Because it's a bad, pandering filled movie that a lot of people only thought was good because it was only slightly better than the trilogy prior?

>>93873731
If you had to make a bingo for that because of how often it's brought up, it probably should tell you why so many people use it as a negative example.

>>93873702
Homecoming being more about the MCU does not make ASM1/2 retroactively better. Those movies were strictly trying to cash in on the character, and they do poorly by Spider-Man.

>>93873778
Yeah? Why does it have to be mentioned every time though? It's funny seeing a bunch of autists shit themselves over it though, I'll say that much.

>>93873811
Because they're autists?

>>93873771
It makes it a spin-off and not a proper Spider-Man film. People watch Spider-Man for Spider-Man and his themes, not as a sequel to Captain America 3.

>>93873564
>Must be why the moment he learned that Adrian was the Vulture, he didn't just call Tony
He did. He had Ned try to call Happy while he tried to stop Vulture.
>He pushed away everyone.
Until Tony gave him a verbal beatdown and took away the suit. Then we have a montage of him reconnecting with friends, May, and doing well in school again, followed by him finally asking Liz to the dance.

>trying on his new costume
Nah that was his old (Stark) costume. That was the point of that scene;he turned down the Iron Spider suit and the chance to be an Avenger because being close to the ground was more important. Tony gave him back the suit he took away as a gift, but it wasn't the new Iron Spider suit. He basically got un-grounded

I unabashedly enjoyed myself at Spider-Man: Homecoming. Both times, went with wife first time, friends second time.

>>93873821
You seem like you're upset so many people dislike it enough that it's been made into an example of doing something wrong and self parody of itself.

>>93873850
>People watch Spider-Man for Spider-Man and his themes
I don't know about you, but I got that in Homecoming.

>>93873742
Peter had the choice to either go on with his life as a normal high school kid, be happy with Liz, and tell himself other people could handle it. Instead he decided to do the right thing and do something about it. Uncle Ben died because he turned a blind eye to something that he knew was wrong, he didnt want to make that mistake again

>>93868613
What memes came out of Spider-Man Homecoming?

>>93873894
No, I just find it weird and frankly retarded that autists find the chance to shit on the movie even when the conversation has nothing to do with it. I'm not defending the movie by any stretch, I just don't understand why.

>>93871715
Is this supposed to be read like a manga?

>>93873742
Prove it, then. SM1 features his graduation shortly after getting his powers. ASM1 is o my a few months, a year at most, before ASM2 which also features graduation. Homecoming literally states his age as 15 and year as sophomore. Where's your proof?

>>93873951
>Star Wars
>/co/
>Has nothing to do with nerd shit that /co/ talks about

You're an idiot

>>93874053
Yes, let's talk about Star Wars in a Spider-Man thread. If people want to talk about Star Wars, they should do so in the Star Wars threads, which is why I said I find it weird to talk about it when the conversation has nothing to do with it.

>>93870627
Geez, don't cut yourself on that edge

>>93870627
>They should have

Found the guy who thinks MoS and BvS are masterpieces

>>93874119
Star Wars is a long running sci-fi iflm franchise, as is Spider-Man and other capeshit movies. You're probably more autistic than anybody else if you're making excuses in order to dismiss it's relevance in /co/

How do you rank the Spidey movies?

For me, it's like this:
SM2 > SM1 > Homecoming > SM3 > ASM1 > ASM2.

>>93874203
I never said it didn't have relevance on /co/. I just don't understand why it has to be randomly brought up in threads when they have nothing to do with the conversation. I don't know why you have difficulty getting your head around that.

>Audi smart drive ai shows up
>character looks directly into camera and says "impressive"

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>>93873773
>Duhh i saw a laptop by sony and i felt compelled to buy them
Or you could've you know... not.

>>93874273
>Duhh i saw a product by sony more than the title character's appearance and i felt compelled to buy them
ftfy. you really need to work on these posts anon

>>93874253
If it's relevant, then people will bring it up and other things in discussions unrelated to it as an example of right/wrong. Does this trigger you THAT much?

Can anybody that actually likes this crap say why a Spider-Man movie done in the same marvel formula, we've see 11 times already, gets their pants so tight?

>>93874340
Spider-Man is a Sony product.

>>93874342
No, I just don't understand why. It seems weird to bring in an unrelated movie or show randomly into another conversation. It doesn't make sense to me, whether if it was /co/ or not.

>>93874221
That sounds right to me though it has been a while since I've seen SM1.

>>93874408
It's related, because this is /co/, Star Wars is /co/ relevant and talking about /co/ related things in regards to other /co/ related things is normal.

>>93874340
Gee anon. You make it seem like you actively searched out those products instead of paying attention to the characters. I wonder how you're able to solve the CAPTCHA's without creaming yourself over those cars you have to click on?
>inb4 lool it's because the story was so bad brooo i couldn't focus on it!
Why would you go watch a superhero movue if not to see two men in colourful costumes beat the crap out of each other?

>>93874463
Okay then. Next time there's an Iron Giant thread, I'll mention that the Secret of N.I.M.H. does science fiction better in that movie, if that's the case.
It doesn't make sense to me why it's brought up randomly in a movie thread that isn't related to it.

>>93874514
Well, yeah, if somebody finds something similar or related to that, people will bring it up, and that's okay, because it's part of the discussion.

>>93874512
>Why would you go watch a superhero movie if not to see two men in colourful costumes beat the crap out of each other?
ftfy. try using word next time, it will help you on your english

>>93874574
But why bring it up randomly if it doesn't make sense towards the discussion?

I just thought of the perfect money making scheme from this thread. Buy the rights to marvel or Spiderman or some dumb marvel character and just sit on the rights until Disney kills you or someone comes and buys it for a shit ton cause they are desperate

>>93874592
>try using word

*Word(s) as you're stating this in plural

>>93874608
Maybe because you don't want it too? You're quick to dismiss it when people do that as if it was a bad thing.

>>93874674
>*Word(TM)
ftfu. see, you're learning already. good catch there, bro

>>93873461
>Edgy Sentry-fag
>In charge of thinking anything different of the source comic is SJW trash
>Thinking Michelle is actually Mary Jane and not a completely different character.

Like pottery.

>>93874749
Lol nigga, English isn't even you're first language.

>>93868497
I didn't watch ASM2, because I hated ASM1 so much that I couldn't imagine the sequel not being dogshit.

>Uncle Ben died over chocolate milk

>>93874608
Because it's an obvious /tv/ fag wanting to do company wars shit, don't be so dumb, anon.

Next he'll tell either of us is a shill or that we're retarded.

The best move is not to play and report

>>93869735
Webb pls

>>93869075
To be fair, fucking everyone knew Fant4stic was going to be trash. Even most normal folks.

>>93874865
You were right to avoid it, because ASM2 was even worse.

>>93874592
>he seriously can't comprehend words when one letter is wrong.

Typical MCuck.
Call them out for being wrong and they instead focus on the other guy's shortcomings. Ho. Friggan. Hum.

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*your