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Superman & Batman Generations 1 & 2 Chronological Storytime 1929-1969
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2017-07-14 04:10:51
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What would the DC universe look like if there were no timeline resets and Batman and Superman aged? This is but one possible answer.
>presented in order of in-story year beginning with 1929
>Generations is a conscious effort to meta-fictionally emulate the evolution of DC comics. You will notice some intentional continuity "errors"
>I'm omitting the 2019/192X chapter of G2 because it's impossible to separate out the sections appropriately and it kinda sucks
>Likewise, I'm omitting Generations 3 because it sucks, it's creepy, and becauseit retcons itself out
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>>93862234
Batman gets old, retires, and marries the joker.
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The year is 1929.
America stands on the brink of The Great Depression.
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>>93862274
After White Knight's announcement I wouldn't be surprised. Maybe DC will get those guys who drew that edgy Batman/Joker and "Superman destroys the earth" comics.
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BYRNE PEDO FETISH FUEL INCOMING
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>>93862351
Nah, that's in G3. This is wholesome stuff.
No 700-year olds kissing 16-year olds or old men marrying their adoptive great-granddaughters.
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I'm already having connection trouble.
wew lad
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Lois a smug
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>Rex Thorul
B R A V O
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>the smirk in panel 5
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Lois a lewd
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The year is 1939.
A storm gathers over Europe while America recovers from a decade of internal turmoil.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzYTQffU-I8
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Lois a cute
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>>93863262
Thank you.
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>Shall I toss him off again?
M A D M A N
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Man of Murder
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The year is 1942.
The world is at war!
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The Batman/Captain America also happens around this time.
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Hawkman's mask freaks me out.
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>>93863613
IIRC Batman/Cap takes place in 1945
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>>93863714
Does it? I guess that makes sense with the nuke plot.
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>>93863748
Earth 38, now is it?
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>>93862394
I don't see anything wrong with that. Not like it's preteen. Ew
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For reasons that shall be revealed later, this isn't the Ultra-Humanite. His real identity is unrevealed.
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>>93863854
I dunno man, shacking up with the girl who was calling you granpa for four centuries seems a little weird.
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>>93863829
Yep. Although I'm not sure how I feel about making Elseworlds no one else will touch besides their creators as fixtures of the multiverse.
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>>93863914
With those muscles you look exactly like Gal Gadot.
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Luthor needs to invest in better henchmen.
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Having some technical difficulties.
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A twist worthy of M. Night Shyamalan.
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>someone just stepped on my grave
Get used to this, Byrne uses it A LOT.
>>93864225
Thanks.
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The year is 1949.
Not even Superman and Batman can always save the day.
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This was Byrne's last mostly great work imo.It's also one of the first things I remember reading so I might be biased. And yes, I'm old enough to post here.
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>>93864420
>1999 was 18 years ago
JUST
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Also, I mostly hate Byrne inking and lettering his comics but it works here for some reason. Or maybe my bias is showing again.
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>>93864420
>>93864468
I think G1 and G2 are both good. And the colorist is GOAT.
G3 is where his inks get really sloppy.
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>>93864538
Yeah but I hate his Wonder Woman art which, if I'm not mistaken, is the exact same "team" doing it.
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Now that I think about it, I like this "run" better than Byrne's actual Superman run. Also [legit spoilers]are you storytiming the Captain America team up?
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>>93864294
>Get used to this, Byrne uses it A LOT.
Yeah, I can remember an instance in Spider-Man: Chapter One, too.
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More technical difficulties.
>>93864570
He might have had more time to polish up the art for these minis as opposed to the Wondie ongoing.
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>>93864649
I don't have the endurance to it, sorry.
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>>93864771
I understand. Storytiming is an incredibly boring and thankless process.
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I want to read about Joker's misadventures in the gulags.
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>>93863748
That anon is right; Batman/Cap opens with "January, 1945". The epilogue also takes place in 1965
There was also a short Batman story Byrne did for Batman: Black and White that he says takes place in 1947. It's just a Batman and Robin story (that doesn't play a role in the larger story withUltra-Humaniteand all that, but is part of the Generations universe.
I also think the Byrne Doom Patrol segment where then-modern day Cliff ends up in the Generations universe in 1965 may count as well.
I actually have a chronological folder consisting of G1, G2, the Batman B&W story, Batman/Cap, the Doom Patrol segment, and the 2008 part of G3 cause I was storytiming it about three years ago. I just didn't put the 1929 story first even though I probably should've.
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>>93864794
I miss the good old days of 4chanX with image and captcha queues.
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>>93864867
I like your style. How'd you handle G2's 2019/192x story?
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You know what they say about good intentions.
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Bruce's wife's identity is never confirmed but I suspect it'sSelina.
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The year is 1953.
America is at war within and without.
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>>93862679
i love smug lois
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>>93864570
>>93864746
It is the same team as his Wonder Woman; he penciled, inked, and lettered both series. Trish Mulvihill colored both. I think it might be that he enjoyed working on Generations a lot more, and it was only in limited series form. Also if I remember right at the time he worked on Wonder Woman he also did the Darkseid/Galactus crossover in 1995, the Batman/Cap crossover in 1996, wrote Jack Kirby's Fourth World (and the Genesis event) in 1997. If I remember right Genesis was the only comic where he was writing and not doing the art. Everything else I mentioned he wrote, penciled, inked, and lettered.
Around the time Generations was out he was doing stuff for Marvel, I think he only inked his Spider-Man Chapter One up to a certain point. Byrne was also only penciling (and sometimes co-plotting with Howard Mackie) on Amazing Spider-Man, writing and penciling on X-Men Hidden Years, and just writing Spider-Woman and Hulk. So it might just be a reduced workload artwise?
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>>93865201
Thanks.
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>>93865212
It suits her.
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do magic holograms have an age of consent haha
asking for a friend haha
t. Bohn Jyrne
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>>93865230
Man, that's insane.I didn't think Genesis was that bad.
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>>93864908
I started with the 1939 story first and decided to keep the 1929 story with the 2919 story, so I also decided to keep the 2019/2020 story chronologically as a 2019 story. I forgot exactly why but I think it was just because the framing sequence was in the future so to me storywise they're reminiscing. On top of that I felt like starting with the 1939 chapter would get right to the point faster.
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My internet is shitting itself.
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>>93865383
Yeah, I debated about leading off with 1929 or 1939. I figured it would be more verisimilitudinous this way.
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Why is captcha making me go through 4+ tests.
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>>93864746
>after almost four years in a SOVIET SLAVE LABOR CAMP! That on top of six months as a "guest" of the Third Reich"!
This is the closest he's come to referencing the Batman/Captain America crossover, since last we saw Joker in 1945he and Red Skull were appearing to fall to their doom with an a-bomb. Obviously they survived and Red Skull took Joker prisoner.
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>>93865635
The RPG worldbuilder in me wants to explore the possibilities presented by Cap's presence ina DC universe.
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Bump. You still alive OP?
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>>93865799
Honestly I think it'd be interesting. I like the weird twist to this universe in that most DC heroes debut the year they debuted in comics, and Captain America exists there.
Byrne was going to do a JSA/Invaders crossover after the Batman/Captain America crossover but things didn't work out. He did start up a page (for fun) sometime in the 2000's whereLuthor and Baron Zemo have strapped Superman onto a rocket, presumably with Kryptonite chains or something, and Bucky was obviously going to sacrifice himself to get Superman off the rocket. I'm assuming this takes place in 1945 after the Batman/Cap crossover because that'd be when Bucky died and Steve Rogers was frozen in ice.
I don't know if Byrne would've done a Generations-type series for Marvel that could've secretly tied in with the DC one, but we probably won't know because he burned his bridges with Marvel long ago.
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>>93865955
Yeah, but my internet is giving me trouble.
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>>93862234
I wish something based on the concept had its own ongoing.
Or at least a non shit earth.
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>>93866239
I'll finish off the chapter.
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>>93866401
Thanks man. I'll have to take a short break then I'll finish up later.
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>>93862512
nice undies Bruce
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>>93862652
>sissy
topkek Lois
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>>93866444
I'm gonna do the 1959 chapter next.
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>>93866866
I think my internet is stable now so I'll do 1964 and 1969 after you.We make quite a team.
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>>93866985
No problem, this whole story takes a while to storytime so I figure doing two chapters might keep the thread bumped up to the top more.
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Generations goes so fucking weird with the later generations. Overall I liked it.
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>>93862234
you should also include the Batman/Captain America crossover since that's canon to the Generations universe as well
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>>93867487
And that's all for this chapter. I don't know if I'd get time to do any of the others but I think OP can handle them.
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>>93867650
Thanks again, dude.
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Trouble in paradise.
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>>93863960
>With those muscles you look exactly like Gal Gadot.
Wonder Woman only really started getting drawn with an appropriately athletic physique during the Perez run
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>sneaking into a boy's room in the middle of the night and calling him "cutie"
What did Kara mean by this?
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>>93865799
One of my favorite threads on /co/ is just discussing what a world where marvel and DC coexisted on one earth would work out. So I get ya
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Dick is at least 10 years older than Babs.
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It's kinda weird that Diana became a frumpy single mother.
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I'm not sure what kind of references Byrne was using but I don't think that's what a gorilla's head looks like.
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>>93868067
>frumpy single mother
>living off of veteran payments from the united statements
she'll do fine
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>>93868092
If I had to guess, Byrne used the original Silver Age drawings as a reference...back when no one gave a shit about how gorillas looked.
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>>93868110At some point she goes back to Paradise Island and becomes queen according to G3
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The Secret Origin of The Justice League of America!
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>>93868092
The perspective on that last panel is really, really off.
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Cool
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1969
The fun stops here.
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>>93868260
>And it's a name we can use even after we're adults ourselves!
Subtle TT reference.
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>>93867685
Enjoying this.
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>>93868343
Glad to hear it.
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>>93868316
I like the atypical team lineup. Superman and Wonder Woman are the same, but it's Barry who's Flash, Dick who's Batman (and wearing the Silver/Bronze costume) and Alan Scott who's Green Lantern.
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>>93868300
It really didn't age well.
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>>93868407
I meant he Teen Titans name didn't age well.
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>callback in-universe/callforward out-of-universe to Superman and Abin Sur's meeting
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>>93868407
TT is a pretty silly concept
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>>93868452
>her smug and optimism, gone
F
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40JmEj0_aVM
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>>93868452
Super semen is a legit thing in Superman lore
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>>93868548
Aren't you thinking of Spider-man?
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>>93868563
Joel Kent living the American Dream
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>>93868548
Nah, this Lois was just a chain smoker.
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>>93868594
He's talking about that one Elseworlds by Nicieza and Maguire.
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>>93862315
Peter Parker?
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SUPERSON OF MOIDER
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>>93868625
Created Equal. I've storytimed it.Still better than Distant Fires.
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>>93868639
Joel meets Jon when?
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>>93867316
the line about Dick becoming a lawyer in New York combined with at least a couple Marvel characters existing in Earth-38 lead to one of the more interesting theories I've heard; that Dick became an Earth-38 version of Daredevil in the years between him retiring as Robin and him becoming the second Batman
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>>93868664
Cir-El back in continuity when?
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>>93868662
How useless are they?
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>>93868708
Makes sense.
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Honestly, this is the most brilliant plan I've ever seen a Joker pull off.
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Going to take a break here.
There will be another thread for the rest of the story (it's too big to dump all in one thread and I hate doing really tiny storytimes).
Thanks for reading.
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>>93868969
Bullshit!
Joel was a true American hero
>F
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This book is a lot of silly fun, but it's main charm is the fact that we are seeing the heroes age in real time.
The twist with Ultra-humanite in the end was stupid though.
And the epilogue is 100% Byrne fan wank.
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thks for posting op
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>>93869030
Once Byrne goes full fan fiction. I'm like meh. But in the end is a Bruce/Clark story.
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>>93868708
It's an interesting one but I don't know if they'd go for it. The theory wasn't so much for Generations but for that Wold Newton timeline idea that a lot of fans had (where it incorporated a lot of stuff from literature, pulps, film, tv, comics, etc).
Basically it was a timeline where things like the Thor/Conan issue of What If, the Batman/Cap crossover by Byrne, the Shang-Chi stuff by Doug Moench, the Dave Stevens Rocketeer stuff, the Batman/Tarzan story, all happened. And a lot of fans came up with crazy elaborate theories to expand on that timeline. I think some made it (like the idea of Plastic Man being Elongated Man's father) but others like Dick Grayson becoming Daredevil didn't get supported since they incorporated in the Batman/Daredevil crossovers into the timeline.
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>>93869213
Where can I read about this timeline?
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>>93862234
>sounds like autistic fanfiction to me-
>John Byrne.
My fucking sides.
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>>93869213
I'm aware of Wold Newton, and really there's dozens of variation of it floating around the internet since different people have different ideas of how supernatural things should be or what mediums are acceptable to include, ranging from trying to keep it purely to old literature and pulps with no actual supernatural elements, to extremely gonzo out there stuff likehaving Crisis On Infinite Earths,
Kingdom Hearts, and Gurren Lagann all happening simultaneously
>>93869357
the Wold Newton Universe is scattered between several different books, and dozens of websites(many of which only exist as archived pages these days), so it's kinda hard to keep straight, especially since a lot of it is conflicting in nature(for example Tarzan Alive suggested that The Shadow and The Spider were actually the same person, while Doc Savage: His Apocalyptic Life changed it so they're cousins)
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>>93869357
An early version of it is here (there was stuff that isn't on the site but got added to the books in 2010, like the Thor/Conan crossover, or got taken out of the timeline, like the Godzilla At World's End novel):
http://www.pjfarmer.com/woldnewton/WNUsitemap.htm
It started out by using Philip Jose Farmer's Wold Newton family tree as a launching point, then fans made up their own timeline by adding stories that crossovered by association (or by subtle means). So for instance, Doc Savage, Tarzan, Sherlock Holmes, and The Shadow are on the family tree. So that brings in the Rocketeer because characters that were hinted at being Doc Savage and The Shadow appeared in it. There was a Green Hornet story where there were characters implied to be The Shadow, Captain America, and Superman in it, so it gets in through the Shadow connection and brings Cap and Superman in. Since Cap is in, that brings in Batman/Captain America and brings in the idea that Dick Grayson took over as Batman in the 60's and in turn the 60's Batman/Green Hornet crossover (Now Comics version of Green Hornet also established the 60's TV Green Hornet is the descendent of the 30's radio show version). While the timeline uses Batman/Captain America (and at one point, the 1939 chapter of Generations), it ignores the rest of Byrne's Generations. For this crossover timeline,Dick doesn't die in 1969, for instance, and Bruce Jr doesn't become Batman till the 80's.
It doesn't mesh up 100% and there's rules on the timeline (for instance you have to imagine that the comics exaggerate the actual events, and superheroes are generally powered down like Superman's powers would be like the lower side of Golden Age level, and there are little to no superhero teams, other than the Fantastic Four and briefly the Invaders) but it's worth getting ideas from.
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>>93869644
Forgot to mention, the other reason the Bat/Cap crossover got included in the fan timeline is that there was also a Batman/Tarzan crossover that took place in 1939. Since Bat/Cap was about a Golden Age Batman, it got included in. The Batman/Shadow crossovers from the 70's got placed in, but they placed it in the 50's on the timeline instead of the 70's so that it'd be the Bruce Wayne Batman.
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>>93869644
>It doesn't mesh up 100% and there's rules on the timeline (for instance you have to imagine that the comics exaggerate the actual events, and superheroes are generally powered down like Superman's powers would be like the lower side of Golden Age level, and there are little to no superhero teams, other than the Fantastic Four and briefly the Invaders) but it's worth getting ideas from.
honestly I've always felt it best to ignore those "rules" since they always felt kinda arbitrary and limiting in a bad way
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>>93870021
It seems limiting and doesn't tap into the full potential sometimes, but I get why they set up the rules they did (if you've got too many superheroes and supervillains running around like a regular DC or Marvel universe, then you end up with something like Ashley G. Williams in AoD vs Marvel Zombies, who he never got the Evil Dead adventures Ashley J. Williams did because the superheroes dealt with everything) and there could potentially be an interesting challenge in conceiving a world where they have superheroes but their superpowers are capped off at early 1940's Superman level.
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>>93870228
>It seems limiting and doesn't tap into the full potential sometimes, but I get why they set up the rules they did (if you've got too many superheroes and supervillains running around like a regular DC or Marvel universe, then you end up with something like Ashley G. Williams in AoD vs Marvel Zombies, who he never got the Evil Dead adventures Ashley J. Williams did because the superheroes dealt with everything) and there could potentially be an interesting challenge in conceiving a world where they have superheroes but their superpowers are capped off at early 1940's Superman level.
well I meant mostly in terms of limiting which heroes to include, I'm fine with lowering the average power level, and I like the idea of Superheroes mostly operating in secret
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>>93870306
They limit but they kind of gradually added in a few more since that site's timeline was last updated. The 2010 books added Alan Scott (because the Secret Origins retelling included a reference to Terry and the Pirates) and Iron Man (because of the Frankenstein issues and that one issue with a Fu Manchu cameo) and maybe Jay Garrick (he was in the opening teaser to the "Trials of the Demon" episode on Brave and the Bold) to the timeline. And after that the Golden Age Hawkman got included because there was a story where he meets a detective who's implied to be Sherlock Holmes.
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New thread >>93872258
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boop
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>>93862234
>it's creepy
You don't find thousand year old men kissing 12 year old girls perfectly normal? What are you doing on /co/ ?
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>>93863949
It's funny because Byrne deliberately put "An Imaginary Story" on the cover because to him Generations is one of the Imaginary Stories instead of simply another Earth.
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one more bump from me
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>>93871326
>>93872142
>>93873304
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>>93876841
Thanks for keeping the thread alive.
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Late night bump
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>>93865315
>asking for a friend haha
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>t. Bohn Jyrne
fucking kek'd
best laugh I had all day, thanks friendo
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>>93872270
So why isn't 3 story timed ?
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Thanks, OP.
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>>93882015
>clunky narrative
>Byrne's fetishes leak into the story
>bad pacing
>bad CGI
>LITERAL copypasting of Parademons
>worse inking
>worse coloring
>lots of talking head syndrome
>loses sense of time progression
>retcons itself
>12 issues
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