Red Hood And The Outlaws #12 Sells Out. Is A Second Printing

>>93861337
Glad to see a good series is selling well. I wish it was the case more often.

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I unironically think that Red Hood And The Outlaws and Deathstroke are the best Rebirth series right now

>>93861337
>>It also comes at a time when Scott Lobdell’s star hasn’t been higher, with his movie Happy Death Day out for Friday the 13th in October, with its official trailer knocking up over 3.5 million views on YouTube.
What? Lobdell wrote a movie?

>>93862297
>I unironically think that Red Hood And The Outlaws and Deathstroke are the best Rebirth series right now
Seconded

>>93862377
Apparently, I didn't know either.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Death_Day

>>93861337
Best boy Jason deserves it

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>>93862583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NTaDm3atkc

It's not the worst thing I've seen. I might torrent it when the DVD comes out

I've been a guy who typically prefers Marvel comics all my life, but Red Hood and the Outlaws is the first DC book I've ever bought.

It's just so much fun.

I'm glad it's doing well

fuck lobdell

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>>93862759
the guy was considered once one of the hottest writers in the business

>>93862886
He turns everything he touch to shit, it's only a matter of time before rhato turns to shit as well.

>>93862759
His name is Scott.

Scott Lobdell.

He's a writer, a terrible one at that.

>>93861337
Go Red Hood!

And DC, promote this book you freaking incompetent fools!

>>93861337
Worst Fag Jason fools everyone again

>>93862976
You have been saying this since issue 1. I think it's time for you to stop.

>>93861337
Jason deserves all good things.

>>93863652
I have recently discovered that RHATO is literally the least advertised DC book. So yeah, they are indeed incompetent fools.

>>93861337
How did Lobdell do it /co/? Red Hood and the Outlaws was one of the shittiest books in the whole New 52 alongside Teen Titans which Lobdell also wrote. How did he turn everything around and made Red Hood and the Outlaws one of the best books in Rebirth?

>>93863857
editorial shortleash

>>93861337
Who would've guessed that Bizarro would be one of the best things about the book?

>>93862458
thirded

>>93863857
N52 RHATO wasn't really bad to be honest and was actually quite enjoyable until Tynion take over.

Lobdell has always been a good writer, but n52 editors were very controlling and screw up everything. In Rebirth, they have given Lobdell more freedom to do whatever he wants which is why he was able to deliver a great book.

>>93863976
Oh, man. I remember a few years ago when everyone here was shitting on Lobdell. No one ever said anything nice to him except when someone mentions Generation X. How times have changed.

>>93863976
on the contrary, he's doing good because editors are now keeping a closer eye on him

>>93864125
Dude, stop trolling.

His editors in n52 were literally breathing down his neck and even changed things behind his back. Lobdell was actually planning to leave after RH/A, but Johns was the one who convinced him to stay.

i hope Bizarro will not die :(
i love him

>>93864206
Not that guy but I'm curious, was this revealed in an interview or Q&A?

>>93864426
Solicits already confirmed he lives, so SuperLex is probably going to fix him

>>93864526
thank you :)

>>93864446
In an interview.

>>93862886
>no Morrison
Then again he was only doing Invisibles and maybe Doom Patrol at that point.

>>93864562
Link?

>>93862297
>>93862458
>>93863966
As you can see, OP, most people agree with you.

>>93863841
It's seriously embarrassing how NRS done a better job in promoting and pushing Red Hood in one month than DC did in the last ten years. Like, what's their problem with Red Hood?

>>93865099
>Like, what's their problem with Red Hood?
This is the million dollar question that I don't think we will ever find out the answer to, my dude.

I remember that we have a discussion here a year and a half ago about what DC should do with him and someone said that Red Hood can be a cash cow if DC just bothered themselves to push him and promote him in comics. I2 Red Hood made me realize how true what he said.

>>93862886
I'm convinced that Waid has always looked liked a 50 year old man and shit, how old was Ennius when this picture was taken?

>>93862297
You are not the only one because I think this too.

>>93865099
The writers just don't want to develop Red Hood as a character. Which is a shame because him and Damian would get along in an Ed WunclerIII/Riley Freeman kind of way

>>93862297
>>93861337
I can't believe my current favorite ongoing involves Jason Todd, Artemis, and a fucking Bizarro.

And, judging by the last page of the most recent issue, the next one is going to be full of Lex Luthor's "BUT HE WAS *MY* MONSTER" feels which were honestly the best part of that entire villains vs Earth 2 event.

>>93862886
>Stefan Petrucga

One of these things is not like the others one of these things doesn't belong

>>93862886
Man, fuck Wizard. They were shameless Marvel shills before it was cool. Remember that whole stupid "WE KNEW ALL ABOUT THE SENTRY BEING FAKE THE WHOLE TIME WE WERE JUST PLAYING ALONG HA HA HA REALLY YOU GUYS!"

So, either they were easily manipulated idiots who fell for a stupid gimmick and were trying to cover their asses or they actually were in on it the whole time and literally decided to say "fuck the reader, this is too sweet a marketing gimmick to pass on."

Either way, I'm glad they're dead.

>>93865397
>The writers just don't want to develop Red Hood as a character.

The fuck you think Lobdell has been doing the last six years?

>>93862886
Was Mark Waid born middle-aged?

>>93865443
do you mean earth 3 as in forever evil or is there some mad shit ive missed

>>93865099
>>93865264
Morrison is at fault. Red Hood's popularity was primarily established when the UtRH film came out. At that point Morrison had nabbed him for B&R and the Red Hood concept goes against pretty much everything Morrison champions in superheroes. So we got villain with good twitter game Red Hood followed by Wingman. Prior to that, while he had the shitty Nightwing arc and Battle for the Cowl, his character and concept were more or less stable. Basically, he was interesting in his debut and the few stories, writers had no idea what to do with him after that, his debut got streamlined and put in a wider market, but his primary mechanism of appearance featured essentially an in-name-only version. It also didn't help that when the Nu52 dropped you had Lobdell and Morrison using two different versions of the same character.

>>93865765
Actually, Morrison't Wingman Jason works better with Lobdell's take than his own

Man. I'm already reading eight books that I'm enjoying but looks like I'm gonna have to add RHATO and New Superman if they're that good and need the the support.

>>93865521
Sacrificing himself for the greater good by trying to develop Red Hood as a character.

>>93865290
Ennis started writing when he was very young, at age 16 or something. He was probably ~25 when this was taken, since Hitman started in 1996, and this mentions that it is coming up soon

>>93865842
RHATO is doing okay, not spectacularly (~26k). NSM could definitely use the support though (just shy of 14k in May).

>>93865931
Would buying the NSM trade even help?

>>93865931
NSM had a new solicit out after the current arc, so it's probably another case of keeping it around for the credit and keep Yang around like how DiDio kept All Star Western around, only with Jim Lee instead

>>93865842
If you have the means, why not

>>93865397
The problem isn't with the writers not developing him (because Lobdell has been doing a great job with him), the problem with DC not promoting him.

It's really weird how character as popular as Red Hood is getting a zero push from DC.

>>93861337
A book with 0 advertisement manged to sells out. Very impressive.

>>93865842
>eight books
Shit, I wish I could cut back that much. I think my pull's about to hit 50.

>>93861337
I seriously don't get why DC doesn't put a better writer on Jason and actually promote him.
Casual comic readers and people who don't read comics clearly like him considering how loud they were regarding Injustice, and he's been a couple popular things (his movie, arkham knight)
They've been keeping his book around and they shoved him in other books so clearly DC wants him around.

They've been doing this with Dick for years too.
Both are clearly popular characters but they keep putting mediocre writers on their books and having the books be middling and/or fucked up by crossovers.
ffs, Nightwing sells almost as much as Harley now yet his book is frankly treated more poorly than hers

>>93866237
>Nightwing sells almost as much as Harley now yet his book is frankly treated more poorly than hers
This not impressive dude because Harley has been doing worse than before.

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Best team

>>93865826
Yep, Wingman was basically post UTRH Jason, way, way more than B&R.

>>93865960
Sure: it shows that there's a fanbase that could buy it.

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>>93866315
They are indeed best team and best trinity.

>>93866237

It baffles me that Dick gets treated the way he does. Oh hey people seem to like sexy world hoping agent Dick. Leta shove him back in shithaven andvstart up Dickbabs again. Just why?

>>93866274
That helps my point tho
Harley is doing worse than before and Harley and DIck are selling the same yet Harley is getting shilled left and right.

IIRC with the crossover with Metal and the Bird of Prey crossover, Dick's book will also be the most interrupted Rebirth book.
And then Harley got backups by Dini that weren't shit which was nice.

>>93866237
Lobdell is doing well with the book, and looks like he has some plan for it. Don't change the writer so soon: changing teams sometimes is not the best way to improve a book. Sometimes the team just needs time to build up the narrative.

>>93866214
>Spending around $200 a month on comics
How do you even find that many series?

>>93866419
Harley's comics might not be doing gangbusters, but she's still insanely popular in other media and merchandise. In terms of money, comics are almost an afterthought

>>93862297
I agree that red hood is one of the better series in rebirth, but I also think it's just alright. Rebirth right now has a lot of "ok"

>>93866419

Dick getting shit on is nothing new. He ggets used to boost other characters and editorial wont let Seeley leave Bludhaven.

>>93866431
I've got books from seven different publishers. To be fair, about twenty of them are minis, likely to be canceled soon, rarely come out, or have hiatuses after every arc.

>>93866419
Harley is getting shilled left and right because she is wayyyyyyy more popular than Nightwing with casuals and she brings money with her merch and it's not like DC is doing nothing with nightwing because he is getting a mini coming next month. His situation is nothing like Red Hood.

>>93866418
Because that's what his most vocal of fans want.

Even a lot of people that liked Grayson wanted it to be temporary and for him to go back to being Nightwing soon.

>>93866549
> Gets a mini about being a facist

DC should be pushing him better is all.

>>93866549
This. Despite Red Hood’s popularity with the casuals, DC has never shilled him.

Boon himself said that Red Hood was literally the most requested character by far and the response they got over him was the biggest than they ever got over a DC character.

>>93866595
>vocal Cap fans hate Cap being a nazi
>DC decides to make a mini about a character with a vocal fanbase being a fascist

Like I know Higgins said he thought of it a long time ago but that seems poorly thought out

>>93866590

But its so freaking boring. The non Bludhaven stuff sells well too, so Im hopimg DC sees that.

>>93866629
>Boon himself said that Red Hood was literally the most requested character by far and the response they got over him was the biggest than they ever got over a DC character
Seriously? Because wow.

>>93866590

The worst part is that vocal doesnt mean good or sells well. But somebody at DC really loves the 90 Nightwing

>>93866629
>>93866702
Doesn't suprise me because Jason has a massive following and only DC who still don't seem to realize how popular he is.

>>93862297
They absolutely are.

>>93863221
>>93862886
>>93862759
he's arguably the second most influential X-writer ever
and Generation X was one of the most fun comics of the 90s
Lobdell is probably better than your favorite writer

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>>93861337
>>93866629
I'm happy to see my boy doing so well.

>>93862886
Garth Ennis looks like a baby

>>93866629
>voted to be killed off
>come back more popular than ever
Nice

>>93866837
Why DON'T they capitalize on him? They get monies fans get Hood, win-win

>>93868075
Editorial is retarded

>>93861337
>But DC Comics prefer to use those on titles that they are more keen to promote. And Red Hood And The Outlaws has never really been one of those.
No shit. I literally don't think the series has been promoted once since Rebirth. With it's quality and accessibility it could be doing much better sales wise if DC actually helped it out.

>>93863810
He really does.

>>93866237
>I seriously don't get why DC doesn't put a better writer on Jason
But Lobdell has been doing great since Rebirth. This literally may be the greatest Jason run in history.

>>93870516
Hey now, he's had some great ones while Robin

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>>93866315

>>93866393
I swear one day I'm going to get so drunk I'll write an essay on how this series is a metaphor about struggling parents trying their hardest to raise their mentally challenged child.

>>93862297
I haven't rebirth and anything new 52 of Deathstroke, is there anything to read before getting into rebirth? I always saw him as a villain.

>>93862886

Its like a Pedophile watchlist

>>93866237

I'd say it's cause Dan Didio hates Dick, and probably Jason too for similar reasons.

>>93864206
>>93864125
Its a mix. New52 was top down editorial control -editors set the story, the writers worked around it. RHatO is them both working together, pulling in the same direction.

>>93862297
Absolutely. Super Sons is pretty great too

>>93866237
They shouldn't fire Lobdell, people like the book because as cliche as it is, it's just well done superheroics with a few good characters. This is the best Jason.

RHATO is a simple book with simple storylines and a good focus on the characters. It's a winning combination that does everything right.It really deserves more love.

When is Artemis finally going to pin Jason up against a wall and ravish him?

>>93874678
soon i hope

she T H I C C

>>93861337
Anyone have a link to all the comics?

>>93873085
Nothing required, but you will be a bit confused as to who various people are at the beginning but eventually it'll all make sense.

>>93866315
>>93871550
Please tell me where I can find more?

I think that the mysterious guy stalking the team is likely Jason's dad Willis Todd

>>93876619
Why would Willis want to kill Jason though?

i swear soy's art gets better every issue, just opening up this latest issue and looking at the giant splash pages is so satisfying.

Yess, rhato finally get is share of publicity

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>>93866315
Indeed.
>tfw no DC universe in japanese high school settings

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>>93873085
recent teen titans lazarus contract comic

>>93879184
>gets slapped
>dies
ffs Grant, Injustice Dick was more sturdy than you

>>93874678
>>93874708
It's getting less likely with each issue. Looks more like they will end up making sweet non-hardcore and passionate love

CINNAMON GRUMBY

>>93862297
didn't have good memories of the series a few years back.

might have to give it another look

>>93874725
bump for this. I stopped right after Black Mask was lobotomised. Anyone at least know where I have to pick up?

>>93881622
Issue #7 is the one after Black Mask was lobotomized.

>>93876619
Interesting if it's true.

>>93876665
He wasn't trying to kill him, though.

>>93861337
>DC rebirth
>lets just put 3 characters together in a group book
>new superman, superman and red hood and the outlaws
>everyone loves them
be prepared for more trinity books. probably with 2 guys and 1 girl.

>>93862583
>It's Groundhog's day only with "each day ends in my murder" gimmick

This... actually sounds and looks super fun, holy shit. How is there not more buzz around this?

>>93866418
Agent of Spyral was never going to be a long term thing. Dick is too iconic as Nightwing of the Bat-family, not as James Bond. It was a very finite story.

>>93880560
To be fair, he was basically already dying from his powers

>>93866418
I always roll my eyes whenever I see you Dickfans complaining about how DC is "treating" Dick.

Red Hood fans complaining is understandable because DC isn't treating them well, but you have no reason to complain because Dick is getting more shilling than the rest of B-list characters.

Remember to support the book /co/. It's sales aren't exactly stellar so be sure to ask your LACS to add it too your pull list, maybe even two copies (one of each of the covers)

If you don't have a LACS then buy it on ComiXology. The first trade just came out as well so give that a buy as well.

>>93881237
A few years back it was a completely different story/execution. Lobdell cleaned up his act a lot. New52 Red Hood had some genuinely good moments but it was smothered by shitty direction and OOC interactions. Red Hood Rebirth is consistently great and the characters are more themselves then they have been in years.

>>93882089
You don't set loose Grundy to expect him to scare them a bit.

>>93883248
Indeed, but he didn't specifically send him after them and they have Bizarro who is completely capable of taking him down which I don't think the mysterious guy was aware that he was sick.

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Opinions on red haired Jason from B&R?

>>93864426
Fuck them if they kill him, I am glad Lex is going to save the day.

>>93884344
Except that the guy has been build up to be sort of Jason's own Mr Oz, so he absolutely sent Grundy to bait them and was aware of Bizarro's condition. Hell, probably that is why he sent Grundy in the first place.

To not mention that how in the blue hell would be Willis able to spring out and control Grundy in the first place?

>>93887654
>Except that the guy has been build up to be sort of Jason's own Mr Oz
A what?

If he did want to kill them, then why the heck he didn't just send him to the school? He obviously was trying to get their attention, but I don't think he was trying to kill them.

>>93866504
Graded on the Red Hood curve, it's good

>>93867121
Go home, Tzitzimine