Why is it that despite creating the magical girl trope, Western

>>93855466
Why do they always just remake Sabrina all the damn time anyway?

>>93855466
just saying, but you didn't popularize jack shit, it was the Winx who popularized the western magical girl genre

>>93855590
And it was Bewitched that started it. Sabrina just happened to be the first to come to mind.

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Show was unwatchable but at least it had QTs in it,

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I'm confidant this would have significantly improved the show.

>>93855466
Magical girl anime are basically just superhero shows. Why create something for them when you can just sell them on good ol' all-American capeshit?

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>>93855466
Well Starfire and Star Butterfly are based on Lum... so there's that.

>>93855590
Winx is popular? I literally never see anybody talk about it, meanwhile we have Arthur threads that last for entire weeks, so the "it's old" excuse doesn't really fly

>>93855466
Because girl shows in the west were not always treated with much respect, therefor there is a stigma against them many have, not only that but there seems to be some truth to the "girls mature earlier" theory, not saying I believe it's immature to like cartoons but you see way more guys in their teens and adulthood who keep being into things like cartoons, comics, and toys (which, many shows try to sell toys)

Most people will assume a girl show is going to be vapid and only entertaining to the super young by default, that is a stereotype that has recently been going away though

Does PPG count at all? Sure they're based on superheroes.

>>93855749
No. I was gonna mention Jem at first, but realistically that's SciFi, same with PPG

>>93855714
Winx has 7 seasons, movies and spin-off. I have no idea on who is this Arthur.

>>93856083
also endless merchandise

>>93856083
>No. of seasons 7
>No. of episodes 182 (list of episodes)

Hmm that's interesting, so basically it had the lifespan MLP FIM currently has (and is about to surpass)

Also, it appears to have aired on Fox and Nick, probably why I never really was that aware of it lasting so long because I never watched either network much and was only ever aware of this show when it had it's brief run on Cartoon Network

Either way, I legitimately had no idea this show had a fanbase. It's Italian, so I'm assuming too it's more popular outside of America?

>>93856253
yeah europe has a boner for it

>>93855834
I think the American version of magical girl would have the room for both sci-fi and fantasy. You'd have to think of how it would develop in the US on its own, not just how it would look if its tropes were more overtly similar to manga/anime.
But a lot of current comics in the US that explore magical girl stuff can't seem to shake the idea that Card Captor Sakura and Sailor Moon were all that ever mattered and said all that needed to be said about magical girls played straight. That's kind of annoying.

>>93858218
I mean idk, MLP is kind of muted on this board because we all know why, but it has a sizable fandom still and even if you don't accept female ponies as "girls", it still has the Equestria Girls spin off

I think personally magic has to be an element, some kind of mystical or fantasy element, Star Vs would also be a contender for more modern Western "Magical Girl"

>>93856253
Italians, man. They love anime for some reason.

>>93858355
I don't think the argument for for Star Vs having that status is even necessary. It seems like it earned it with episode 1.
I think Mary Marvel is a good pick too.
Who would you name as others?

>>93856253
It was popular in Europe and it came out in Germany before Anime blocks were just an excuse to air One Piece

>>93855466
>western animation creating the magical girl trope
Are you retarded?

>>93858457
All depends on how you look at it, the term "magical girl" as a genre in it's own right originated with Jap manga and anime, but that very same media as most know it now came about because they were influenced by Western things

"Shonen anime or manga" may as well mean action cartoon or comic, but we all are capable of making the distinction between the two

>>93858457
>>93858457
Mitsuteru Yokoyama's
and Akatsuka Fujio, both regarded as the first magical girl creators in japan credit bewitched for the genre.

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>>93855714
>>93856253
Winx Club is fucking massive in Europe. I think /co/ is generally pretty dismissive of it because people see it as being derivative of their superior weeb shows and also this weird urban legend that it ripped off and commercialised W.I.T.C.H, despite the fact Straffi had already been trying to get Winx Club off the ground for two years before the first W.I.T.C.H even comic appeared.

It is basic mass-market stuff for little girls. But it's quite pretty to look at, has waifus for everybody and good music and songs. Despite a lot of filler and repetitiveness, some plots and seasons are pretty good and I even think the world is quite interesting. It's no worse than any other commercial show that has toy sales in mind, like Monster High or Transformers or Horse Show and I feel like if Winx premiered today /co/ would probably like it. It's just been forgotten and neglected because it was the wrong show at the wrong time for people here.

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>>93858218
>I think the American version of magical girl would have the room for both sci-fi and fantasy.

But that's the case for Japanese magical girls already and there's a whole section of the genre based on Sci-Fi powers rather than magic (which is totally the most underrated thing ever and has the highest level of quality of any selection of Japanese shows I'm aware of).

>>93855714
Winx is massive everywhere but english speaking countries, like Russia, China, South America and Europe minus the UK

I don't know why it never caught on EOPs, brief 4kids popularity aside

>>93861646
Can you point me in the direction of those shows? I'm pretty interested in that sort of thing.