How is this pandering? How would you handle it so it's

>>93840028
Make it a guy and make him beat Luna for showing too much skin and playing devil music. There, now everyone's happy.

Did anyone actually say it's pandering? Did anyone actually give a fuck?

>>93840136
Are you being serious?

>>93840136
>people
>caring about TLH
Literally never.

>>93840187
I am. I saw like A thread when it actually happened. Or was it all contained within the cancer general?

What happened now?

That episode is degeneracy in the (((media)))

>>93840028
I think 4chan was mostly just mad that she wasn't a cute trap. I don't think they had any actual problem with the way it was handled.

>>93840236
/co/ had threads about it for like a week or so

I'd just cancel the show

>>93840028
They changed a main character. I think /co/ would like it more if it was about new characters or if Luna was always a lesbian.

>>93840136
To be honest they were pandering, although it doesn't really matter. They played it up as if Luna's love interest was the guy in their first scene and made it a twist at the end.

>>93840240
Luna wrote a love letter to Sam who is a girl. Luna is now bisexual.

>>93840028
They're just expanding their audience from pedophiles to lesbians. What's the problem?

>>93840028
I will forever love this show if she actually isn't into girls and instead hits on Lincoln.

>>93840428
Bisexuals exist you know.

>>93840543
Shhhh.
You'll frighten and confuse him.

>>93840532

Has there ever been an instance of a gay character liking someone who doesn't return their affections in these shows? Even if there's only two homosexual characters shown, it seems like they always conveniently end up having a crush on each other and not anyone else, even if they don't know that the other is gay.

>>93840136
Everything I don't like is pandering.

>>93840572
Nope, not as far as I know. Just once I would like to see incompatible orientation.

>>93840543
>>93840564
Sure and anyone besides them doesn't care.

>Don't shoot me. I'm only half black. I'm not a nigger.
>If I tell vegans that I also eat veggies then they will love me.
>No I'm not a faggot. I like dick AND pussy.

>>93840303
and none of them said it was pandering. Mostly it was just "well of COURSE it's Luna..."

>>93840572
Mostly happens in anime.

>>93840591
It is pandering. The show treats Luna and Sam's relationship with elevated importance over the other Loud's possible admirers. The show goes out of its way to create expectations just to subvert them.

>Luna's first scene with Sam and the random guy has the guy in the center of the frame with Luna making direct eye contact with him while Sam is in the background
>They purposely chose a unisex name like Sam
>They never use him/her while talking about Sam
>They didn't isolate Sam and the guy unlike the other possible admirers

The episode was written in a way to make you expect the guy was the love interest (thus a heterosexual couple) and subverted that expectation with a twist at the end. So I think it's fair game to call it pandering. The episode was still good though.

And before anyone cries /pol/ I think the episode was fine and that inclusion of LGBT couples is fine. Clyde's parents being gay wasn't pandering because they never point it out or treat it as important.

>>93840572
Maybe in Venture Bros. I'm not sure.

>>93840028
It's one (1) boy and one (1) girl.
Everything else is pandering.

>>93840796
Have you considered that the motivation wasn't necessarily for intended to pandering but instead, done for comedic purposes?

>>93840860
The twist wasn't played as a joke but as a serious moment as Luna overcame her fear.

>>93840591
>I like everything as long as it's not pandering.
you have no beliefs except that one should hold respect their own beliefs.

sage wisdom friend.

>>93840467
>Lunas statistical likelihood of being raped just went from the 16% for straight women to the 46% for bisexuals.

Kinda depressing

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>>93840948
Legitimate question; what are some examples of pandering to the audience that not only worked but were well received?

>>93840967
That's pretty hot

>>93841017
was minions well received?

>>93841059
that's not really pandering at all though.

>>93840028
Maybe by not making the character bi in the first place? It's unnecessary.

>>93841076
It is. It's no sjw pandering but they were made to sell toys. They knew kids love these autistic creatures.

>>93841017
>Legitimate question; what are some examples of pandering to the audience that not only worked but were well received?
if you go by the google definition porn is pretty well received nowadays

>>93840796
>subversion of expectations = pandering
Plot twists are pandering now? Deliberate misdirection of the viewer/reader is pandering?
These are basic ass storytelling techniques. What the fuck am I even reading.

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>>93841124
You know, usually people tend to infer dumb things like this about characters all the time, and it's very easy to see that they're wrong, blowing things out of proportion, or misreading the entire situation.

This is legitimately the first time where I'm having a hard time not seeing that this is actually the case. I have to hand it to them, at least they were clear about it without being too overt.

>>93841124
So making her into a lesbian solves everything?

>>93840796
>The episode was written in a way to make you expect the guy was the love interest (thus a heterosexual couple) and subverted that expectation with a twist at the end. So I think it's fair game to call it pandering. The episode was still good though.
The "show/book makes you think X likes Y but they like Z instead" is an old as fuck way spice up a basic romance plot. The fact that the crush is homosexual instead of heterosexual serves the exact same purpose, to surprise the viewer and cause more interest and engagement.

This has absolutely fucking nothing to do with "pandering" unless you stretch the meaning of the word as to make it completely useless. So yes it fits /co/'s definition of pandering, I guess.

>>93840830
this is basically correct for most people. pandering is when something tries to appeal to people who aren't you, which is why its most often conflated with "thing I don't like." all media "panders" to certain audiences, that's just not the way we use the term.

people rarely complain about things made to appeal to them, so why would they think to consider it pandering?

it's not pandering, Loud house doesn't do that at all. they don't dedicate an entire episode to a special snowflake and how they're right and everyone else is wrong.

Luna's story was all about overcoming her insecurities and finally sending that love letter to Sam. Sam being a girl was just a twist, the point being that it doesn't matter if she's a girl or a boy.

>>93841179
Strawman. The twist by itself isn't pandering, the fact that they made Sam being a girl (and thus Luna bisexual) an important plot point is pandering. If they wanted to just have Luna be bisexual while still showing her overcoming her fears they wouldn't need to be ambiguous with regards of who her love interest was, and could've just shown directly that Sam was the girl, meaning the only difference that would take place would be the sex of Sam. The writers thought that Sam's sex was an important factor to subvert when it really wouldn't make a difference in the name of equality.

>>93841244
> The fact that the crush is homosexual instead of heterosexual serves the exact same purpose, to surprise the viewer and cause more interest and engagement.
That's my point. They made the sex of Sam an important plot point, where it really wouldn't matter the sex of the love interest if you weren't pandering and were just showing off a bisexual couple (and their personality/character isn't really a factor because we don't know anything about either the guy or Sam). They did this with Clyde's parents well, where they were just depicting a gay couple without making the fact that they were gay important.

>This has absolutely fucking nothing to do with "pandering" unless you stretch the meaning of the word as to make it completely useless. So yes it fits /co/'s definition of pandering, I guess.
Define pandering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM5Rs2_MMOA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EodF_H9v_OY

>>93840028
What they should have done was have Sam turn Luna down because she's straight. That would be an actual good lesson for gay kids. You're going to have to deal with shit like that if you're not straight.

>>93841638
>look mum im edgy on the internets

>>93840028
How is it not pandering?
Most women are straight out bisexual, and you should look at how fucking weirdly sexual teenage girl conversations are, especially regarding their own sexuality
If you asked a teenage girl if she'd make out with he best friend for money, she'd say yes, but only for money because otherwise they'd be having to deal with actually enjoying it and not doing it for a purpose
So no it's not pandering, it's a bit realistic
If it was pandering, every other girl would be lesbian, 100%, and say girl power ever two seconds unnecessarily

>>93841450
>The writers thought that Sam's sex was an important factor to subvert when it really wouldn't make a difference in the name of equality.
This is pure speculation and projection on your part, it's just a twist. You expected the crush to be a boy, but it was a girl, surprise! Surprising the viewer causes interest and engagement, simple as that. Just because the twist involved multiple factors doesn't mean it's pandering.

The character's sex isn't an "important plot point", it's used as a way to swerve the reader's expectation. Her actually (fake, cartoon) pussy is in no way involved.

>They did this with Clyde's parents well, where they were just depicting a gay couple without making the fact that they were gay important.
They are presented in the exact same way, what your argument at it's core is is that one instance of faggotry is "pandering" because it was involved in the main focus of the episode (romance plotline) while background faggotry doesn't count. This makes no logical sense whatsoever.

>>93841670

That's not edgy at all, and it's actually something that happens quite often in real life.

Is anyone really surprised? For fucks sake her character itself was pandering to you

>>93841717
>cartoons about family of fuckhundred children are real life and no queers can be happy

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>>93840028
>tfw you're glad you stopped watching the show, but sad to know what it's become since your memories of the earlier episodes and threads are generally happy ones
It's ironic that horse show is the only cartoon of this era without this SJW pandering.

>>93841450
if anything the background faggotry fits the definition of pandering more, because as you say it's something easy they can throw in and give zero focus to for easy Progressive Points, without actually having to write a homosexual relationship in. your shit is basically all backwards and retarded.

>>93841779
If that's your argument, then why do straight relationships fail so often in cartoons? Why do homosexual ones need to always succeed and be perfect?

>>93841717
This
Less than 2% of the population is gay, why do we have to keep pretending they're like half the population?

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>>93840644
>all things are black and white, no greys exist.

>>93841816
>then why do straight relationships fail so often in cartoons?
What cartoons anon? Even in the loud house Lynn and Rita are happily married.

>>93841717
>in real life
LH is a cartoon if you didn't know that.
if you actually expect any straight relationship in cartoons to be perfect you're wrong, arnold and doug got friendzoned, korra and Luna's story ended well.

>>93840028
Was anyone at all surprised that a rocker chick would be bisexual?

It's like being surprised that a college woman is bicurious

>>93841872
'Fail' as in a character has a crush on someone who ends up not returning their feelings, or a boyfriend and girlfriend end up breaking up. Not marriages and the like. When a gay character ends up crushing on someone, their crush always seems to feel the same way and they end up together.

>>93841880
>>93841821
>>93841872

>>93841880
You're literally proving my point; notice how the two gay relationships you listed "ended well", while the two straight ones didn't? Why are you arguing that the homosexual ones being perfect are okay because cartoons, but the straight ones can't because "that's not realistic!"?

>>93840303
In comparison, Korra or Bobby Drake still get threads to this day.

This thread is giving me Legend of Korra book 4 flashbacks

>>93841917
Ah I see, that I agree with to a degree, but the deciding factor is if sam becomes a recurring character in the show and not just a throw away scene, which would suck even more considering they shelved ronnie anne in the same season.

>>93841962
>a certain cartoon relationship succeeding is pandering!

it isn't pandering at all.

>>93841986
I'm pretty sure at this point that the Korre threads are caused by someone obsessed, like that Scrappy guy that shits up every thread related to Avatar the Last Airbender

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>>93841880
>Straight relationships in cartoons don't happe-

>>93841686
>This is pure speculation and projection on your part, it's just a twist.
Supported by evidence. The only thing that changes with the twist is the sex of the love interest while personality and relation with luna are non-factors and not touched on at all. That mere fact is what gives elevated importance to Sam's sex.

>They are presented in the exact same way, what your argument at it's core is is that one instance of faggotry is "pandering" because it was involved in the main focus of the episode (romance plotline) while background faggotry doesn't count. This makes no logical sense whatsoever.
No, the problem is that the sex of Sam wasn't important to the narrative of the episode or Luna's character arc at all, the writers made it more important than it was/needed to be. If the bisexual relationship was normal or didn't matter than there would be no need to give it special treatment.

Assuming you're the second anon I replied to, I asked for you to define pandering and didn't get an answer.

>>93841807
>because as you say it's something easy they can throw in and give zero focus to for easy Progressive Points, without actually having to write a homosexual relationship in.
That's exactly what they did with Sam though. She doesn't even utter a word the entire episode while we actually get interactions between Clyde's parents even in their first appearance.

>>93842010
if they're not rolling a 100 sided die and calculating everything based on real world statistics it's pandering

>>93842010
Where did I once say it was pandering? All I've talked about in this thread is about how the gay characters always have crushes that end up reciprocating their feelings and they end up together and happy, but heterosexual relationships are often shown to be much less happy. I'm not any of the people in this thread talking about pandering.

>>93842042
Butch Hartman is a good christian

>>93842042
>4 examples of timmy "new bitch every week" turner
>straight relationships succeeding
remember the movies are not canon

>>93842081
>remember the movies are not canon
Poof's movie was

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>>93842060
>I'm not any of the people in this thread talking about pandering.

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>>93840028
>This whole thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZMn9EgaK54

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>>93842081
Only one of those characters is a one timer, the girl in the bottom left. Tootie, Trixie, and Chloe were all recurring characters. One of them (most likely Tootie) succeeded because he is shown to have two kids that look exactly like him and Tootie.

>remember the movies are not canon
Are you talking about Channel Chasers, or the live action? Either way, you're wrong and a brainlet.

>>93842103
Is that really the best response you have? Thanks for the intelligent discourse and lumping me in with the people going on about other things. Guess I shouldn't expect much more from places like this.

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>>93840028
Wait what the fuck did I miss?
Luna s gay?

>>93840028
>Show starts off as a wholesome show, feeling very much like something out of the early 2000s
>As it goes on and grows in popularity it becomes more (((progressive)))

I mean I don't even care cause I am gay but it is funny to see happen, again.

>>93842191
Bisexual, but looking for puss at the moment.

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>>93842060
if you don't like that depiction why do you even watch those cartoons or even care about them at all?
>I don't watch the shit i'm complaining about
pic related

>>93842191
bisexual

>>93842231
Are there actually any shows at all where the gay person's crush doesn't like them back?

>>93840028
Judging by the scene she's a uke playing Anglophile.

Luna needs better taste IMO

>>93842286
Do joke relationships count? Like Smithers being gay for Mr Burns

>>93842286
There are Smithers and Mr. Burns in the Simpsons
Also, there were at least two episodes where a gay guy had a crush on Homer, and he did not like them back

Also, an episode in Bob's Burgers where a butcher kept flirting with Bob

>>93842286
As told by Ginger had it as a possibility but never pursued.

>>93840028
>How is this pandering?
It's making a character gay/bi/LGBT to give kids who are similarly in that disposition a character that shows that how they feel is valid.
>How would you handle it so it's not pandering?
I wouldn't. Pandering isn't inherently negative, and how it was handled in the episode was fine unless you think a character needs a "reason" to be gay or whatever.

>>93842231
>if you enjoy something for a long time and it suddenly does something you don't like, then why watch or care about it

Gee, it's like people get attached to things and might complain when it goes in a direction they don't like.

>>93842286
I've never watches Steven Universe, but I got friends who won't shut up about it, and it sounds like constant drama involving lesbians

Isn't it a meme on /co/ that Pearl from the same show is a cucked lesbian?

>>93842318
All those are gag relationships anyway.

>>93842174
>escapism is good

>>93842355
She is. Though seeing Rose past relationships she should have been used to it.

>>93842355
Yeah, she was really into Rose (Steven's mom), but Rose chose a guy (Steven's dad) over her

>>93842372
>literally the only reason anything /co/ related exists

>>93842377
Aren't the gems supposed to be genderless?

>>93842402
Yes and no
Definitely biologically genderless
Feminine in almost every other way (at least the main ones)

>>93842402
Sexless, but they're all feminine gendered and Pearl developed a crush on a human chick who had pink long hair like Steven's mom.

>>93842096
>Poof featured prominently in the three live-action movies
>has pretty much been ousted from the latest season of the show

At least the movies didn't have the dog. That would be a LOT more awkward.

>>93842213
It was always progressive. Black best friend, muxed race couples, the gay dads, heavily focused on female chara ters and a male that's fine with femininity.
The problem is that people so entrenched in seeing it as a "conservative" cartoon ignored that and focused on what they wanted to.

>>93840796
Or may be it was just a twist ending.

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>anything acknowledging lgbt is pandering

Christ grow the fuck up

>>93842566
>It was always progressive. Black best friend,
LMAO what? This is a staple of pretty much every Nicktoon it seems.
>muxed race couples
Bobby is the most milquetoast "Hispanic" you could create.
>the gay dads
I'll give you this one, but they are still minor characters, they've appeared in what three episodes total?
>heavily focused on female chara ters
Not sure how that is being progressive.
>and a male that's fine with femininity.
That was only one episode where they show Lincoln picking up various traits from his sisters that he uses to overcome some situations. For the most part, Lincoln is a comic book reading video game playing boy with a girlfriend and a few side bitches, he's pretty damn alpha compared to that fat little wimpy shit Steven or Dipper the doormat.

>>93842736
It is though. It has always been.

>>93842736
pretty much is by definition, since theyre like 3% of the entire global population. so aiming stuff at them in any way is pandering, and most people get upset by it because its not aimed at them or it clashes with what they like or their values.

i'll tell you this, im fine with gay characters. im fine with gay crushes and all that. but fuck me i HATE lesbians. if these girls were boys i wouldnt really care. id be somewhat uncomfortable, but wouldnt care. but theyre not boys so i really hate it and i hate that the yurifags on this board love it

It bothers me because I don't know when does it become normal.

Are we just going to get gay characters from now on? At what point do /pol/tards just start dealing with the fact that some characters are gay and at what point do retarded pandering writers stop trying to make a character gay just for the progressive-ness agenda?

I'm having a hard time seeing a middle point, aside from what Anime does, that is.

>>93842877
I hate lesbians in fiction because I feel like it's the cheapest way to get brownie points for being progressive whilst still making masturbatory fodder for straight people so know one complains. It's like having your cake and eating it too.

>>93840028
>twist ending = pandering

okay

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>>93842736
It was pandering because they're trying to attract a wider audience, and Anons like >>93840796 >>93841331>>93841686 brought up some pretty valid points, but I wouldn't say it's 'bad' pandering since they aren't making it important to the show. yet Kevin Sullivian wanted to make a cartoon that involved gay people, and lo and behold, LH was the perfect show for him to express that, and surprisingly, Nick (and possibly Savino) approved of it.

Even though I prefer fannon shipping over cannon, we will have to wait and see how it will play out, since she is confirmed to return to the show. If Kevin is writing the episode she is set to return on, we will know how things will happen.

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>>93842943
It's hot so no.

Needs more lex bondage.

As long as the creator approves and wasn't pressured, I'm fine with it.

>>93842981
>Sex Luthor

>>93842921
>cheapest way to get brownie points for being progressive
yeah well that too. my beef is biological. its such a meme for guys to hate gays and love lesbians. it should be the other way around. less lesbians means more opportunities for you to find a mate and more gays means less competition. but classically the desire has been the opposite. so hating gay men and liking gay women is basically the same as being a cuck.

i was about to jokingly say that a good society would ostracize lesbians and encourage homosexuality in men, then i realized that that was basically ancient greece and rome

>>93843050
Weirdly enough, I tend to like most gay relationships I've seen and tend to dislike most of the lesbian ones. I don't know if it's because the former are usually more well-written, if it's because I'm not sexually attracted to men and thus don't feel a tinge of jealousy when they get paired up together, or if it's a combination of both.

I guess it helps that I don't really watch a lot of shows and haven't seen many lesbian relationships mentioned beyond the hated ones like Korra's.

>>93843032
I agree. Kevin may be gay and the one who wrote the episode, but I care more what Savino thinks because it's his show.

>>93842349
it's just your problem that you don't like it. there's no crusade against straight relationships either (same loud house episode had the rest of the siblings go after their crush instead of waiting for them). you're just fearmongering now.

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>>93842341
>a positive role model with a positive message is pandering
fuck you

>>93843144
its probably a combination. i think that other part too is right. on top of everything, lesbians are super poorly written. its easy so they dont try, cause everyone illogically loves lesbians. but gay males require better writing. if theres a well written lesbian, i might not mind THAT much, but i would still bottom line hate it.

what somebody mentioned earlier is the right way to go for this already ruined character. she needs to get rejected. she needs conflict, she needs to overcome. then she will be more acceptable for people less salty than me

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>>93842904
>gay people exist, what a surprise!

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>>93843037
>>93842981

That was a typo for lez and yet this works too. I guess I'm not gay so I only like lesbians.

>>93840028
it was a 5 second clip at the VERY end of the episode.

if this counts as pandering literally anything will.

>>93842943
dykes are not at fault that you're too scared of women to take the first step

>>93842372
Yes?
Escapism is a break from the drab reality that is life.

>>93842948
>muh sullivan bogeyman
grow the fuck up. you sound like the type of guy who doesn't mind when a writer injects their fetish in the script but goes up in arms when they add a lgtb character.

tl;dr you cherrypicking cunt

>>93842736
I think it's considered pandering when they shoehorn it in rather than adding it in at the beginning.

>This is X, she's a pretty cool girl. She has a girlfriend who is really good with a guitar

Stuff like that, which doesn't take her sexuality and throws it in your face isn't pandering. When a character takes that sexuality and blows it out of proportion, people will start getting pissy.

This is as stupid as the 90's era of gays in television. Like being gay was their character quirk.

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>>93843431
Say what you will, but you cannot expect it NOT to be a coincidence that Kevin is full blown gay and then make an episode like 'l is for love' I do not give a damn if Luna is gay, but at the same time, I do not blame people who hate the way things are going because it can go both ways with a show like this.

>>93843335
>like CUNTS from the day you crawled out of one
>grow up watching cartoons where girls who like girls always get together
>seems to be super common in these cartoons, wow
>parents have no real choice other to accept your inclinations
>find cute girl at school whos nice to you, decide to ask her out
>she makes the most disgusted face you have ever seen a human being make
>she yells NO at you and calls you a freak
>suddenly everyone at school knows you are gay, but to your surprise, nobody is okay with it
>get bullied and called names
>other girls make fun of you and hit you
>with your warped world view shattered, and your heart broken, and your future clouded by teen hormones, you kill yourself and become another statistic

its in your best interest, if you are homosexual or a supporter of homosexuals, to have homosexual characters go through real adversity instead of always getting what they want, so gay children learn to get ready for the inevitable rejections

>>93843461
this didn't happen in L is for Love

>luna is a music fangirl who falls for another music fangirl
>couples have the same interests
stop the presses!

>>93843371
Just because they exist it doesn't mean they should show up. Or shouldn't. The west has been struggling with this balance for decades.

>>93843489
sullivan gives valid reasons for trying to write gay characters in his episode scripts. he worked for tuff puppy and FoP and he didn't do that at all. only savino seems to support his vision. good for him and good for savino.

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>>93843552
>Just because they exist it doesn't mean they should show up
what the fuck is your problem dude?

>>93843556
>only savino seems to support his vision.

And how would you know this? Anything can happen behind the scenes while making a cartoon. Just because it did happen does not mean Savino supports it. if he does, then yeah, good for him, but as I said earlier, I care what he thinks ore than Kevin because it's HIS show. We don't need another SU incident.

>>93843390
What the fuck are you talking about? We're talking about fictional characters.

>>93843501
the message was that you shouldn't be afraid of failing or else you'll regret it for the rest of your life

watch the episode before spouting off nonsense.

>>93843622
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDj3fCG__5U&

>>93843603
Am I wrong? Writers should think and decide what type of characters they want their characters to be, agendas aside. That's why there's no women in Metalocalypse or a male member in Total Spies, I don't mind gays in media but most of the time it feels like forced diversity instead of character traits.

>>93843654
>anyone sick of dykes stealing our fictional cartoon character women

FIFY

>>93843661
>the message was that you shouldn't be afraid of failing or else you'll regret it for the rest of your life
wheres the message that says you should be ready to accept rejection and be able to overcome it because the world isnt very nice?

youre the one spouting nonsense. this kind of shit is no message for gay kids. they need to know that theyre more than likely going to get rejected since almost the entirety or human beings are straight, but that they shouldnt let that put them down and to keep trying. the message given is a recipe for disaster and will get lots of kids lots of heartbreak that they werent ready to deal with

>>93842075
>putting magic in his shows

Nah, he's in league with the devil!

>>93843724
>That's why there's no women in Metalocalypse or a male member in Total Spies

Not the anon you replied to but That's just silly. what makes you think those are the reason why either gender exist as a MC or BGC in the shows?

>>93843724
>implying loud house has forced diversity
clyde has two parents and lori's been dating bobby since season 1, we're still on season 2, the show is still in its infancy and it'll easily get more than 5 seasons due to its popularity. it can still decide what it want the characters to be.

>>93843317

Actually yeah, this works.

>>93843813
>you shouldn't be afraid of taking risks
>but you actually should be afraid because you'll get hurt

that's not an argument, that's just your jaded defeatist logic.

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>>93843813
>"it's not my fault that I'm unhappy, it's everyone else's fault"

>>93843742
Isn't it kind of self-explanatory that I was talking about fictional characters when the main topic of the thread was about fictional characters and I posted a picture of two fictional lesbians?

>>93843978
it also was kind of self-explanatory that I called you a wuss for whining about fictional character relationships.

>>93843813
That's kind of what I was saying earlier, myself, but not quite as dire as what you're making it sound like. I just think it'd be an interesting lesson to show if someone actually failed after taking a leap like that and had to find a way to move on.

>>93842736
>anything acknowledging lgbt is pandering

Turning a character, who previously expressed no romantic interest in other girls, into a dyke for no reason other than to receive brownie points is pandering.

>>93843830
Target audience and artistic direction?

>>93843910
no you dumbass. you shouldnt be afraid of rejection. i bet youre the kind of idiot who keeps touching fire and doesnt learn his lesson and tells people who tell him to use tongs that theyre stupid

>>93843968
i dont even know what this is supposed to mean

>>93844086
its not dire, its just real. they need to know that shit wont go their way like cartoons say it will, but that they need to not be afraid to keep trying

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>>93844086
>I don't know what I'm talking about: the post

>>93844069
>whining
Are you a newfag or autistic? Here's a tip: if someone makes a blanket statement without evidence it is usually either a joke or bait.

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>>93844145
>wanting realism in a cartoon

>>93843335
In a way, yeah. It's honestly a corrupted way of looking at how the word pandering is usually viewed, or really just flat out wrong, but if someone was stubborn enough to call it pandering, it's pandering done right and for a right reason.

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>>93844182
>ironically taking the bait
yeah that never happened before or anything.

>>93844187
>teaching kids that fire burns is stupid
stay away from children and any childrens media my friend

>>93844207
>every cartoon has to be meta or else I can't ironically enjoy it

>>93840028
honestly I can't fucking stand TLH

but I watched it anyway and was surprised how tasteful it was

>>93840028
>How is this pandering?

It's not.

>>93844219
>teaching kids that being brave and bold is stupid
you must be totes fun in real life

>>93844145
>it's just real
No it's not, that's just you wanting to push your pessimistic world view. The argument that "not all relationships work out so it's toxic and unrealistic to show relationships that do" is idiotic, especially in a cartoon about being yourself with wach other and an episode trying to tell you that putting yourself out there is better than not.
You're asking for unnecessary drama that goes against the show and the episode message just because they were gay.

>>93844216
It wasn't intended to be bait, most people here can read between the lines. I recommend you lurk more if you want to avoid future embarrassment

>>93844245
You're just retarded then.

>>93844275
you are purposely being stupid at this point

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>>93844293
>It wasn't bait at all!

>>93844304
>>93844309

>>93844283

>>93842943
I'm sick of what a shallow, tired cop-out it's become. You could write the single worst work of fiction in the planet, but adding a lesbian pairing, no matter how rushed or undeveloped it may be, will suddenly make that work Oscar-worthy and earn it endless praise. It's such a bad joke.

>main character is a feminine loser pansy
>always has to apologize to his sisters
>gay interracial dads are better parents than lincoln's parents
>Luna is bisexual
>just about every pairing is interracial
>background muslim with hijabi

and SU is the sjw show?

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>>93844519
>being innovative and breaking barriers is bad

it's bad when you do it for brownie points. which isn't the case for loud house or korra. korra was bad because of failed expectations and senseless storylines and not because she's a lesbian or because everyone's favorite ship sunk.

>>93844692
I've heard that Korra's creator won't shut up about how amazing they were for making her a lesbian, though I wouldn't be surprised if I heard it from someone that was someone overreacting as usual.

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>>93844812
Forgive my continued retardation and ignore the second 'someone' in that sentence.

>93844813
I can't see whatever you've posted but kys anyway, tlh is fucking pozzed garbage

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>>93844422
You directed me to my own post.
I don't think you understand what I said when I'm agreeing that the result of what they did produced a positive role model with a positive message. I'm saying that the act of "pandering" by turning it into a moment that could allow that to happen is a good kind of pandering, if that word must be so used. I'm sure there's a proper word for it that I'm forgetting.
While I'm at being obnoxious.
>>93843622
>Just because it did happen does not mean Savino supports it
How would you know it isn't? Not specifically towards you but in general, this is always the dumbest shit that it becomes hard to tell if people seriously think this or not. Savino isn't some alt-right mastermind where all the good things in the show comes from him but anything "progressive" is all from the big company changing his vision. He hires the writers, the storyboarders and the interns, they all work on getting the episodes out there, and the show becomes something created and built on by all of them. Sullivan gave the suggestion of having Sam be female, but it was everyone working on the show that made that an okay thing to go for.

>>93844692
I'd argue Korra did it for brownie points due to the fact there was no build-up to Asami or Korra becoming a lesbians, they just threw in the hand-holding at the last minute.

>>93842943
Why do you care?
Tumblr doesn't care if someone is canonically straight. He will undergo ukefication and in their world loves taking dicks in his ass.
If tumblr can bent reality in their shitty fics, why can't you?

>>93840028
It didn't quite strike me as pandering because it looked easily editable to not include the twist with the girl. Just cut out like 5-15 seconds and the episode's the same

>>93845082
Not that anon but, to be fair, it can happen in the current comic that's coming out soon. No too late.

>>93845336
The comic was made years after the series finale so it can't really excuse whatever the creator had in mind when he approved the lesbo asspull years prior.

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>>93841017
People thought bringing Darth Maul back was dumb at first but he became one of the legitimately best characters in all of Star Wars because of it.

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EVERY THREAD!

>>93840796
Directly prior to the McBrides' introduction, Lincoln said, "Time to make history." Somehow that's fine, but a wordless scene is a bridge too far.

>>93845593
>tracing

>>93840098
Make him a muslim then?

>>93845684
Lincoln wasn't allowed to have sleepovers because of his sister's past sleepovers. so Lincoln is really making history by having his first own.

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>>93845742
And it was just a coincidence that he said it before that reveal? It can mean two things.

It's certainly something that the McBrides' appearance was mentioned in several news articles which sounds like more blatant pandering than a late-episode reveal that wouldn't be known about outside of 4chan, Tumblr, and some gay blogs.

>>93845817
so you don't understand analogies.

>>93845731
Or republican. But then again I guess that's a distinction without a difference.

>>93840543
>Bisexuals exist you know
Didn't a huge amount of the gay community hate them?

>>93846238
Ostracized communities and individuals tend to pay that back to other groups. It's one of those incredibly sad things about human psychology that just perpetuates the very problems they experience in the first place.

>>93846110
He could be both, Democrats don't own minorities.

>>93846238
I mean, define "the gay community".

Sure, a lot of /lgbt/ hate eachother for various, petty reasons, but there are still large sections of gay/bisexual/trans/what-have-you that support eachother.

>>93846299
Hence "distinction without a difference". lrn 2 read senpai

>>93842943
>dykes
>stealing our women

Most of them are actually deeply insecure around men because they know they can't compete. They wish they had balls to steal women.

>>93840300
>I don't think they had any actual problem with the way it was handled
I don't like it because it didn't really feel like a real ending, just an attempt at a twist with no real implications or impact on the episode.
>>93840796
>The show treats Luna and Sam's relationship with elevated importance over the other Loud's possible admirers
Oh yeah, that was annoying too.

>>93840543
Why she should be a bisexual?

>>93847186
She had a crush on the tutor (male) in an earlier episode.

>>93844127
Dude, don't you know? Men are straight by default and women are bi by default.

>>93843501
Isn't that already what most gay characters are for? Like, the only relevance they have to the plot is "oh it's so hard being gay." Same with minority characters or, sometimes, female characters. That's the worst kind of pandering, because it reduces them to a sob story that you've heard a million times before. In your world, there would never be any interesting stories with these types of characters because every single one is about how gay and/or brown they are and how important it is. Besides, this is assuming that every single human on Earth that doesn't work in Hollywood is violently hateful towards gays, which at least in the West, isn't true

>>93848936
Well, technically everyone is bi to varying degrees.