>Doctor Endless: A New Genderfluid DC Comics Character For

Okay, so this we were not expecting. Were you? Doctor Endless. We understand this is the new DC Universe’s first genderfluid character — and a familiar-looking one, too. Doctor Endless pulls their look and powers from the Sandman’s Endless characters, as created by Neil Gaiman, Sam Keith, and Mike Dringenberg.

The character will appear in Suicide Squad: The Black Files #1 out in August — one of a number of new characters in a story written by Jai Nitz and drawn by Scot Eaton.

Sebastian Faust, the U.S. government’s top arcane operative, has gone rogue! To track down America’s most dangerous magician, Amanda Waller assembles a special ops team unlike any other: an expendable coven of dark arts experts including El Diablo, Enchantress and Gentleman Ghost. They are Suicide Squad Black, and they will take you to places where even the dead can die!

We’re told that DC Comics intends this to be a strong book for retailers to sell to both Sandman fans and those with an interest in LGBTQ matters.

>>93826996
Isn't this what you faggots want? It's a new character not replacing anyone that the creator made because they wanted to.

>>93826996
Hot. Porn when?

>>93826996
>Doctor Endless pulls their look and powers from the Sandman’s Endless characters, as created by Neil Gaiman, Sam Keith, and Mike Dringenberg.

Oh that's retarded. I thought you guys said dC was good.

>>93826996
Literally tumblr the character. It's doa. But as >>93827042 says, it's nothing worth getting worked up about.

>>93827042
No, they want everybody to look like Cap or Batman

>>93827042
Its clearly not enough for some faggots but what is
>>93827075

>>93827042

I don't think anyone is against it as long as it's a good story and character. If it's a bad story and character that takes resources from other books, that's an issue.

So...what? They're like some kind of amalgamation of all the Endless?

>>93826996
Looks like Aaron Diaz' cyborg waifu

Could be really interesting, as long as they're written and a person who is gender-fluid and not defined by their gender-fluidity then it should be good, but I doubt this will be the case as it looks like Tumblr tan

That's the problem with a lot of more diverse characters, they're pushed with the greatest of intentions, but they're then defined solely by their race or sexuality or whatever, I look at Jane Foster and I see Female Thor when I should just see Thor. Ms Marvel worked because even though her culture was a big part of her character, it wasn't her whole character, so I don't see Muslim Ms Marvel, I see Ms Marvel, in the same way I see Green Lantern, not Muslim Green Lantern with Simon Baz. Them being diverse isn't the problem, it's then being written as shallow characters defined by arguably arbitrary characteristics leaving a hollow and boring character than ends up doing more harm than good, even if the intentions are good

>>93826996
What the hell even is genderfluid?

>>93826996
Wait, is genderfluid the new codeword for "chick dressed up like a dude"? I can never keep up with this newfangled terminology.

>>93827148
Fancy word for LARPer.

>>93827148
>>93827156
Its someone who identifies as male or female or neither depending on the day the week.

>>93826996
wasn't desire genderfluid? I don't see the problem that an endless knockoff has stuff the endless did

>>93827148
Gender changes based on how you feel, it's fluid as it flows from one to the other

>>93827148
Desire male or female on a whim

>>93827172
Okay, but how come it almost exclusively comes up in conjunction with a chick dressed like a dude?

>>93826996
I am unsure qhat to think of this
>First genderfluid character
How do you say that and mention the endless in the same fucking sentence.

>>93827197
Isn't that just bipolar disorder?

>>93827019
Looks like a good idea.

I like the design, but what can he/she/it/they do?

If it makes sense for a character to be genderfluid, it's for one related to the endless.

>>93827208
sandman was vertigo wasnt it

I don't know what to think ...... they do this but then tease the Endless appearing in JLA with Destiny talking to Killer frost

I prefer Felix to Sebastian, but beggars can't be choosers.

>>93827207
Gender in the First World has become a fashion accesory now, not unlike clothing.

>>93827207
bitches be crazy

>>93827219
No, bipolar is to do with behaviour and mood, gender fluid is only gender, though I would assume most of it is based on feeling so you're not far off the mark

>>93827019
Okay, so they're genderfluid because they are literally an amalgamation of different male and female characters, and will resonate more strongly with certain ones at certain periods, so it could actually physically go between being male and female within the very same sentence depending on their mood and thoughts. Because that's what it is, it's literally different people in the same body. Not some random guy/girl playing a part or some kind of brain chemistry thing, it's magic fusion.

You know what? I'm actually down for this!

>>93827042
Yes! Actually! I can't believe it but DC just said "Here's a genderfluid character" and played the 'progressive' card, but hey! It's a unique character, it's not replacing anyone, it's got a reason why it's personality ties into it's unique powers, and it's in a side book like Suicide Squad. If it catches on, fantastic! If not, okay! Testing ground to see where the pros and cons of the character and powerset are and an eject button in case they fuck it up.

This is good! This is what Marvel should be doing, less "Your favorite character is a new person because you only cared about power and superhero name right"? More "We got an idea let's make some fucking magic."

>>93827237
Still counts.
Still I am going to believe dc genuinly feels it does not count and are not just doing the first muslim hero bullshit Marvel pulled.
I also hope this character turns out as good as kamala did.

Was that deadman book any good? I only got round to reading the first issue so far.

>>93826996

Is that his actual look? A literal rainbow trench-coat? I mean, isn't that a little TOO gay?

They could have just reintroduced the Endless and did a solo series for Desire, it could have carried a book with all of its machinations and plotting.

But no, we get Doctor Endless, who has the powers of Death, Destruction, Destiny, Desire, Despair, Delirium, and Dream
>original character do not steal

>>93826996
If he's a cool/fun character I won't give two shits about the gender thing. But if it's preachy and bad he sucks

>>93827042
>that the creator made because they wanted to.

That doesn't save a character from being crap or forced or wanked off or so OP and better than everyone and everyone loves them and they're just the best. Bad OC's in long running series are pretty much par for the course.

That said, anyone who claims this guy is any of that is just trolling until we see it happen. Every character started as an OC at some point, it's sticking the landing that matters.

Are they also connected to killer frost?

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>>93827410
they do have the Tease of Destiny in JLA but I guess Tumblr the Character is more important then the originals

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I'm not big on the concept of genderfluidity, but given the fact that this character is meant to be mystic and magical, I can buy that they're a shapeshifter that does not adhere to strict gender boundaries.
It also helps that they are an original character (even if it's an Original Character Do Not Steal), as opposed to outright replacing an established hero with a legacy character that is genderfluid.

That being said, I'd love some kind of comic to try and recreate the Scramble Suit.

but remember, when Marvel does it, they get crucified for publicly announcing it unlike DC

>>93826996

Wait.

So this is all six of the Endless who retained their powers combined?

Because I'm only seeing Desire, Death, Dream, and Delerium.

If Dr. Endless here has Despair's ring and never touched the ground like Destiny then that would be all of them.

Dr. Endless shouldn't have anything Destruction based.

I don't mind the genderfluid shit but I hate his power source. It's fucking retarded.

We get this but not any endless stuff in final night.

>>93827042

yeah actually. if he's awful I can just avoid him while the characters I like go about their normal non genderfluid business.

>>93827526
Because it's usually replacing some other character.

>>93826996
in after /pol/ morel panic thread

Whatever happened to that transsexual DC was pushing during the nu52. Ystin?

>>93827042
I thought it was what they wanted. Are people complaining about this character even existing?

Then again, my only thought on the whole thing is 'I want that coat'.

>>93827042
>It's a new character not replacing anyone that the creator made because they wanted to.
All well and good on that end, but given how this character was "created" all the same it's really just one of the many corpses stemming from the death of creativity.

>>93826996
If it's some cosplay/tribute faggot leeching off some small aspect of the Endless, I'm okay with that. If it has any influence on the Endless themselves, you can stick it straight in the trash bin.

>>93827565
I think it was Tumblrites who pushed Ystin as a transsexual. From what I remember, she just disguised herself as a male in order to be taken seriously.

>>93827553
Captain Marvel, Richard Rider, Peter Parker, and Tony Stark don't exist anymore?

>>93827585
its degeneracy. you shouldn't be shoving gays or trannies down kids throats. they are .0001 percent of the population why is every character a quiltbag

>>93827133
It's an advanced magical user who has meditate on the nature of the endless.

>>93827409
Is Shade, The Changing Man gay?

>>93826996
What if we just made a super that was genderfluid because they were and they didn't stuff it in our face, nor have them be relevant to something else?

>>93827585
My beef is not that it's a genderfluid character; that fits both the concept of the character and the fact that Desire, one of the Endless, is basically genderfluid. I just don't think it's a particularly creative character so I think the core idea is sort of lame.

How it's executed, however, remains to be seen.

>>93826996

> interest in LGBTQ matters

So they're going after islamists?

>>93827628
>kids
>reading comics
Kek, get outta here /pol/

>>93827042
I want OC characters. It'd be nice if some of them just happen to be gay, but it should be incidental to who whey are as a person, not their entire identity (as the design in OP's picture suggests might be the case).

>>93827362
>This is what Marvel should be doing
Well, America and Moon Girl are just that.

In general though Marvel's terrified of not leaning on the crutch of names already on lunchboxes and in movies. They have that little faith in their own creators.

>>93827019
>We understand this is the new DC Universe’s first genderfluid character

I don't think this is true. Like I feel like a number of shapeshifters have suggested the sentiment?

And it's not even someone who is experiencing what real people would. They are pulling from multiple personalities in one body. How is that different from, off the top of my head, JL3K1's Guy Gardner (though that was quite messy)?

>>93827362
DC had a genderfluid character a couple years ago (Porcelain in New 52 Secret Six) and didn't advertise it at all

something with Sandman connections is infinitely more marketable, to be fair

>>93827409
You haven't read Sandman have you.
Rainbows are one of Delirium's traits, the ankh Death, the white hair Despair (or the second Dream) the fluidity Desire, etc., etc.

>>93826996
>Doctor Designed-by-/co/

>>93827777

>Well, America and Moon Girl are just that.

Well, then they should try doing that, but actually good.

Wouldn't Death alone count as genderfluid considering the Black Racer and Black Flash are aspects of her? Or are they not male enough to count?

>>93827237
>sandman was vertigo
It was still in the main universe. The JL met Death and Daniel. Daniel even gave Kyle a pep talk.

>>93827410
I don't think a story focused on Desire would fit DC's main universe. It'd literally just be a continuous orgy.

>>93827019
>We understand this is the new DC Universe’s first genderfluid character
Is this true?

>>93827816
>the ankh Death
You mean Eye of Horus? He doesn't have an Ankh.

>>93827781
maybe by "new DCU" they meant in Rebirth?

>>93827777
>Moon Girl

Nobody tell him.

Eh. Don't really care, but that white hair tuft shit is getting to be a trend.

>>93827373
I liked it but I sort of saw the twist coming.

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>>93827884
Doesn't she always wear an ankh necklace?

>>93827628
They're way more than that amount and there's not sex involved.
Are you completely retarded?

>>93827924
America too is a Miss America legacy

>>93827880
Do we have a definition of genderfluid to go by. Cause people always move the goalposts in these things.

>>93827781
Acrata from Batgirl and Comet from Supergirl in the 90s comes to mind.
Actually, the 90's had a shit ton of genderfluid characters in DC and Vertigo.

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>>93826996
>>93827019
>Genderfluid
>literally the adult term for playing dressup

>>93827019
>We understand this is the new DC Universe’s first genderfluid character
But Porcelain in Secret Six came first

Who wrote this article so we can tell them they're wrong?

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>>93826996
IS THIS SHIT FOR REAL?

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>>93828023

>>93827868
Well Sandman after the first arc didn't focus so much on Dream as it did people who were touched by Dream. Sandman was just as much about Rose Walker, Barbie, Hob, and other humans as it was about Dream and the Endless.

A Desire series could focus on it using people's inherent desires to spark situations, fuck with Daniel, its relationship with Despair....you can do more with the character than just sex sex sex all the time.

>>93827042
If they're black or a woman, sure.

If it's something retarded, well...

>>93827935
Death? Yes.
Dr.Endless, doesn't seem to be unless it's tucked under or in his pocket. Which seems an odd practice given you'd want to show a sign not hide it.

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>>93826996
As long as I get to see him crossdress it's fine.

Reminder that Killer Frost is an Endless

I just wish the hair was different.

>>93828098
yeah I misread, sorry friend

>>93826996
So......it can switch from being a dude to a chick?

>>93826996
I'm ok with this. Make Xi a character that is just looking into the laws of the universe and how the Endless work in it. Coming across a lot of the concepts.

>>93828061
Sounds like a good idea.

>>93826996
Looks like Desire, who is already trans

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>>93827134
My first take was some variant of Shade the Changing Man.

>>93827042
We also want it to be good. This sounds like a terrible idea, but if Gaiman was writing, I'd be on board. Who's piloting this shitheap? Ii have no idea who they are.

>>93827326
>>93827219
Functionally, it's a subset of it, as social behavior regarding gender is obviously behavior. Every genderfluid person I"ve met was either on MAOIs, or really needed one.

>>93827647
he's FABulous.

>>93828304
>My first take was some variant of Shade the Changing Man.
Yeah the coat with the rainbow ooze is quite Shade.

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>>93828304
>>93828494
I miss Shade.

>>93826996
I wonder what Neil Gaiman may think about this?

>>93826996
>Actual OC instead of retarded "re-imagining" or replacment or whatever
That wasn't so hard was it? He might turn out good. If he sucks, oh well just don't read it.

People who are bitching about this are no better then SJW complaining about "muh representation" or "muh sexy costumes".

>>93828721
I don't think he'd find this sort of thing draws any new reaction with his familiarity to old practices of banking on the success of others.
To us we might imagine it something that would be received quite personally, but a lack of professional experience is probably what causes that. I take it some who work in the business of creating and handing over your creations become desensitized to hearing or seeing any of their ideas reused or reimagined after some time..

>>93827134
Ahahaha, it fucking does look like his abomination. That is goddamn priceless.

>>93828304
>Who's piloting this shitheap? Ii have no idea who they are.
One Jai Nitz.
You may have heard of him from his brief work you've never heard of from things you've heard of
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/jai-nitz/4040-56102/issues-cover/

>>93828903
One of you had better Flash Luthor reaction to this in the next 5 minutes.

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>>93828760
The difference being, that just some randonons thinking that it's garbage isn't nearly the power level as convincing the comics press that it's opression .

>>93828903
I thought you were exaggerationg. He's got fill in work on literally 25 different things I've never heard of.

Pic reladed: It's Super Sikh!

>>93829075
>The difference being, that just some randonons thinking that it's garbage isn't nearly the power level as convincing the comics press that it's opression .
Good point. As long as know one is going as far as to want to take it down or go do some hashtag protest then it's all good. Still, instantly hating on the guy without even bothering if it'll be decent or not is a bit silly.

>>93826996
Well I mean if he is based on multiple endless it makes sense he would be genderfluid as desire was. Sounds like a stupid idea though.

>>93826996
My only complain is her freaking haircut, it's tumblr as fuck.

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>>93827019
There's already been genderfluid characters in DC.
Or at least ones that went by male and female genders.

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>>93828903
>Wrote the 2008 El Diablo mini
>AKA the worst selling mini of ALL TIME

What in the world are they doing with this guy again?

>>93827093
Have you EVER read Gaiman or Moore or any of the other fucking weirdos? Genderfluid comic characters have been around far longer than tumblr.

>>93827156
What are you talking about 'new'? Rebis has existed for decades.

Wasn't 'desire' in Sandman also similar?

There's not a LOT, but even recently there was Porcelain in the Secret Six

>>93826996
>>Doctor Endless: A New Genderfluid DC Comics Character
Isn't most deities genderfluid by definition? Hell the Buddhists figured it out with the higher plane beings able to appear as a male or female at will.

>>93826996
I dont mind diversity but he seems too powerful to be a suicide squad character, squad needs to go back to its routes. The highest billed member of the squad should be killer moth. Put dr endless in hellblazer where they fit in.

>>93827196
Yeah pretty much

>>93830131
The desing is really tumblr OC tho.

>>93830516
I don't know about keeping it all the way down at killer moth level but I do agree he sounds too strong.

>>93828903
Wait green hornet was a comic? I loved that movie. It is what got my sister into more actiony films after she bitched about having to watch it.

>>93829145
>Good point. As long as know one is going as far as to want to take it down or go do some hashtag protest then it's all good. Still, instantly hating on the guy without even bothering if it'll be decent or not is a bit silly.
I mean, reading the thread, there is like one or two anons either being /pol/ or falseflagging tumblr, or purely shitposting and everybody else "meh, it's a new character, now to see if it's well written or just a propaganda mouth piece like what Marvel does."

>>93830841
Green Hornet is older than Superman. He had radio shows, multiple comics and a 1960 TV series featuring Bruce Motherfucking Lee as Kato.

>>93827019
who the fuck is this based off of in Sandman?

>>93831032
>Doctor Endless pulls their look and powers from the Sandman’s Endless characters

who do you think, anon

>>93831032
The Endless? It's in the name? He's got Deaths eye tatoo, Deliriums rainbow symbology, Desires genderfluidity, the white hair strip from either Despair or the second Dream.

>>93831032
It's a Desire meta character since we've "desired a gender-fluid character"

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>>93826996
Am I the only person that remembers Negative Man / Negative Woman / Rebis from Doom Patrol
Or does that not count because it's questionable whether they are main DC

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>channels the Endless directly by amalgamating their signature appearances and abilities
>gets involved in petty mortal shit like the fucking Suicide Squad

I guess I can't be against the idea of the character, because if you think about it, any form the Endless happen to take are only ever just aspects.

But still, I hope one of them shows up to dress this dude down at some point.

>>93829075
>Super Sikh and teh Atma Defenders
That sounds pretty awesome actually

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>>93831370
I think you mean that sounds pretty sikh.

>>93831218
Rebis? Porcelain? What, and admit that comics has had representation since the eighties? Also, have you heard about Iceman, the first gay mutant? What is a Northstar?

>>93831333
Hopefully at the start he only has some basic powers, like Sense imminent deaths and Cause random hallucinations. If he could channel more he would on par with Doctor Fate.

>>93827019
Because trying to use the endless for yourself worked out so fucking fantastically last time.

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>genderfluid

I refuse to believe this is a real condition someone can have

>>93827627

>Captain Marvel
Dead. Cancer.

>Richard Rider
Was dead. Cancerverse. Came back but no-one gives a shit about him because he's just a supporting character for Sam.

>Peter Parker

Ultimate version he replaced is dead. Villains.

>Tony Stark

Coma or some shit. I don't read current Marvel. Will eventually come out of it but not before they make us get down on our knees and swallow Bendis' daughterfu.

>>93831333
>Implying this isn't Desire, having a laugh.

>>93827019
Justice League Dark: Rebirth is off to a great start.

>>93827227
They're a magic user who channels power from the Endless, so probably anything the Endless can do but to a lesser extent.

>>93827777
America is a fine character in everything but her main book. That writer went full retard and you never go full retard.

>>93827777
Moon Girl is a legacy character (Moon Boy), America is sort of a legacy character (Miss America)

Also the major difference is Moon Girl shows up in a lot of things. She was in Venom, Wasp, America, Monsters Unleashed, Inhumans Vs X-Men, Secret Warriors etc
America was slightly better in that regard, as she started off in Young Avengers IIRC

I'll reserve how I feel about this Doc Endless until DC shows they handle it well.

>>93831871
>America was slightly better in that regard, as she started off in Young Avengers IIRC
Technically she showed up first with that Ultimate Nullifier guy in Vengeance.

>>93831217
Maybe

You know what, I like it. I'll give it a chance and read it even though Suicide Squad stuff lately has not exactly been of the highest quality. I'm glad it's a new character too and not some rebooted version of an old one. Worst case scenario, they suck and it's just another of a million shitty OCs in recent years.

>>93826996

>Someone borrowing/tapping into Dream's powers without permission

Danny's gonna be pretty pissy about this. Mortals copping their shit doesn't sit well with the Endless.

>>93832137
Would this be the first story featuring danny?

That or they are winding back time a little for the current set of canon endless so it is still the previous dream.

Gender fluid is not a legitimate identity.

I expect the worse from people using the Endless. And new Suicide Squad is shit so this has all the signs of being shit.

>>93827362
When you put it that way it does sound like an interesting idea.

>>93832304

Gaiman said the Endless were kinda immune to the reboot and Crisis fuckery though, if I'm remembering right. Daniel is Dream still, at least as far as he's concerned.

But maybe that's just me justifying an obvious (But not as obnoxious as anything on Marvel's plate) case of pandering. The idea of someone emulating or borrowing the Endless' powers is something that would piss Dream/Daniel off, at least. And that'd make for a really interesting conflict. DC's been knocking it out of the park for the most part lately, so I'm cautiously optimistic.

>>93826996
I want to fuck it, but not enough to read Synergy Squad.

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>that one killer frost shitposter is probably SEETHING now that his waifu is being used for liberal cuckery

>>93832608
kek, no doubt

>>93827042
>Implying his whole personality won't be developed around being queer

I want to give the benefit of the doubt to DC because they've proven to be way superior to Marvel currently but damn, they're making it hard. Going by the looks, it seems to be your stereotypical "recently out of the closet" middle aged gay man.

I hope I'm wrong.

>>93832575
This is accurate

>>93827585
>Then again, my only thought on the whole thing is 'I want that coat'.
I dunno, the one from All-star Superman was nicer.

>>93827924
christ I'm an idiot, disregard cocks etc.

>>93827156
Only girls call themselves shit like this.

>>93828304
I remember the movement. It was shit.

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I blame Doctor M for this.

>>93826996
It's too bad about the stupid genderfluid thing because that coat is fucking rad.

>>93831950
Ah. Thanks for the correction mate

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>>93832608
fuck that guy
life is good

>>93827104
he just said the idea was retarded, he didnt give a shit about the genderfluidness, you are being over sensative

>>93831333
>I hope one of them shows up to dress this dude down at some point.
I'm sure Killer Frost will appear at some point.

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HOW MUCH MONEY THEY PAID NEIL FOR ALLOWING THIS

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>>93832304
Danny showed up in JLA under Morrison, and in a JSA story arc where he helped his parents out.
He also had a handful of minor appearances in Lucifer.
>>93832540
The first writer for the new Lucifer series thought that Morpheus still ruled the Dreaming

>>93835155
Nothing! It's an OC made fully within company writes. They didn't have to spend a penny on him!

>>93835407
B-but he's got a contract that says they can't use the endless unless he agrees to it....that's the reason we only got like two or three sandman cameos in DCU proper since the main series ended....

>>93835453
he has no legal written documentation saying any such thing.

>>93826996
Fan art of him when!?!?!?

>>93835225
I will check those out thanks. I have been meaning to read Lucifer. I sort of put it off because I never really liked the "people in hell are there because they want to be there" angle but I have been informed that never really comes up.

Why is sexuality suddenly a big defining characteristic? Fucking degenerate society.

>>93826996
>Genderfluid DC Comics Character

I guess having to cooperate with Shade would be too terrifying for these normies?

>>93831218
Honestly, most of the existing genderfluid characters are kinda terrifying and a couple of hundreds of tiers above the baby-shit batman- and Suicide Squad-characters deal with outside of crossovers.

>>93826996
is that part of job belong to desire right?

>>93826996
What is he/she? A bastard child of all of Endless siblings having an orgy?

>>93835843
Why was only heterosexuality such a big defining characteristic? Fucking neutered theocracy.

>>93828903
>https://comicvine.gamespot.com/jai-nitz/4040-56102/issues-cover/
Hey now, Dream Thief was kinda cool.

>it's okay when D.C. Does it: the thread

>>93835516
>Doctor Endless
I'd like to try, but what kind of r34 fanart should it be? Is he a male, who just like feminine things? A dickgirl? A cuntboy? Maybe he has a wormhole to another dimencions between legs instead of genitalia?

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DC: always on the cutting edge of forty years ago...

But seriously, here's just another mistake character that won't survive the next Crisis.

>>93835986
>shapeshifters are inherintly gender fluid
>mystique is the first ever shapes hitter
Wew that a lot of implied wrong, even for shitpoating

>>93828023
And by "We," that's Bleeding Cool, I think?

>>93835959
>I didn't start reading comics until the 2010's: the post

>>93826996
More LBGTQBBQ stuff?

>>93835972
>Maybe he has a wormhole to another dimencions between legs instead of genitalia?

That

So wait how are they holding these fuckers hostage? Magic neck bombs?

>>93835940
Heterosexuality was never big defining characteristic. It's the norm (and still is thank god) not a characteristic.

>>93830516
Killer Frost, Vixen and Enchantress aren't weaklings and they've all been on the Squad at some point.

>>93827628
>down kids throats.
so this post is basically
>i don't care about comics
>POLITICS ! PLEASE CARE ABOUT MEE! U MAD!
/pol/ just fuck off man

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>The Endless were always portrayed as being the comprehention of humanity
>Literally took the form of whatever the being looking at them assumed their concept should look like, hence why Martian Manhunter literally saw him as the Martian deity who was tied to dreams instead of a pasty white guy
>Because they are living concepts, they have no gender
>Suddenly a character whose suppose to be drawing power from them being genderfluid is a problem because suddenly comic book readers are hardline conservative Christians.

Just have some fucking fun with your comic books for once.

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>>93831218
>tfw you remember pre-nu52 Negative Man had to continuously listen to and watch recordings that Larry made of himself because the Negative Being as been inside so many people that he HAS to do this for fear that his mind will shatter/find out that he's JUST the Negative Being at this point and Larry's been dead since the 60s.

>>93831605
That would be a twist too good for Hot Topic Squad.

>>93836458
But don't you see? It's already begun, we're already on this ruse cruise Desire has chartered.

>>93826996
Desire!
Death!
Delerium!
Destruction!
Despair
Dream!
Destiny!

By your powers combined, I am Dr. Endless!

>>93837395
>Despair didn't have an exclamation point
That got a good laugh from me.

>>93827148
its cum

>>93827019
>>93826996
while the premise is decent, I don't get why they had to throw in the Endless into this.
It could've just been 5-6 different people, accident happen, they all merge into this new being - and boom, there you go.

>>93827148
Bipolar disorder

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>>93826996
Does that awful period when Doctor Fate was a merge between a stepmom and a stepson who kept shifting it's gender counts?

>>93836254
I don't remember the story ever breaking the fourth wall to acknowledge that they only got a stable look when either nobody or their ilks are looking at them because the reader's looking at them though.

Plus we had Death deliberately change from her 80s slutty pad to some weird 80s music video setting when she dealt with Orpheus, so they do have control over how they appear.

Their genders generally were stable in all incarnations too.

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>>93834375
Don't

He tried. He really tried

>>93826996
>>93827019

So wait, is Doctor Endless a conglomeration of all the Endless? Is this why Killer Frost has to become one of them? She's a replacement Endless since the others are gone?

>>93826996
>Doctor Endless pulls their look and powers from the Sandman’s Endless characterS

This sounds outright messy. I guess it depends on how they're going to handle the powers, but "it" just using(I guess channeling/borrowing?) on a whim, which is the impression I got from the article and character design, is going to be silly. It'll be interesting to see which route they're going with "it".

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>>93837917
>>93835123
>>93827494
>>93827483
>>93827251
>>93832608

IT'S OK IF DC DOES IT BROO

>>93826996
Got a bit too much Desire

>>93826996
She's a qt!

>>93826996
Neil Gaiman's not writing it, and nobody I even like is writing it, so I don't really give a shit.

>>93826996
Eh might be good but will probably be total ass.

What happened to the real Endless? I mean, could they not just have used Desire? And that really brings up the glaring red flag for me. "First gender fluid character." It's not that I think that's bad, it's that it's bull. You don't even have to look at other DC properties for examples, Desire of the Endless was already gender fluid. This heavy of a marketing ploy definitely makes this seem trashy and hackneyed, though it could surprise and be good.

I'm not against trying new things but some properties are best handled with a certain amount of respect.

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>Genderfluid

Burgerclappers sure love inventing stupid shit nowadays, dumbest shit after 'cultural appropriation'

>>93826996
All I want to know is if he/she has a feminine penis

>>93838119
The only Endless that DC is strictly allowed to use is Destiny.

>>93835225
Who's that white Raven? What happened to Matthew?

Bby the way, bleeding cool is reporting now that Gaiman didn't aprove of this new character and DC will have to change the name and remove the Sandman references from him

>>93826996
How is Dr. Occult not actually """genderfluid"""?

How long until Constantine fucks them

>>93838119
>This heavy of a marketing ploy
What marketing ploy? Has this been announced or posted anywhere besides BC?

And they probably didn't want to use actual Desire since they typically ask Gaiman permission before using them and they want to stay on his good side

>>93838147
They are allowed to use all of them, they simply ask Gaiman if it's ok out of respect.

>>93838147
They can use any of the Endless, but they usually like to ask Gaiman first so they don't ruffle his feathers. So they probably could have used Desire if they talked to him about it.

But I'm thinking, you know how Wesley Dodds, Sand, and all those other Sandmen existed because of Dream? Then why not make a character who fits that mold for Desire?

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/07/13/extracting-sandman-out-of-dc-comics-doctor-endless/

Just gonna leave this here

>>93838175
Oooh, good call.

>>93826996
Really feminds me of the professor from superman all-star

>>93827148
>put your gender in a blender
>switch on the power, do it!
>well done you little bender!
>your gender is now fluid!

(OC please don't steal)

>>93838176
So glad they can't whore this shitty
Uninspired OC to the Sandman readers anymore

Fine so far, depends on characterization now

>>93838176
>https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/07/13/extracting-sandman-out-of-dc-comics-doctor-endless/
EVERYBODY STOP

>Last night, Bleeding Cool ran news of a new DC character being introduced by Jai Nitz and Scot Eaton into the upcoming Suicide Squad: The Black Files #1 called Doctor Endless. A genderfluid character, their appearance and powers were based on the Endless from Neil Gaiman‘s Sandman.

>Except, it seems, no one had thought to tell Neil Gaiman. Who has, as part of his deal with DC Comics over the series, has maintained the right of refusal as to how DC Comics exploit Sandman and characters created for the Sandman series. Which includes all the Endless aside from Destiny.

>Cue a lot of running around and screaming after Bleeding Cool ran the piece last night and Neil Gaiman got wind of it. Expect the character to still appear, but to no longer be called Doctor Endless and all of the reference in text to be amended.

>And while DC Comics may be rather pissed off with Bleeding Cool as a result, put it this way – this was a lot easier than having to pulp all the published issues if it had gone to print, as intended, next week.

https://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/885332672800751616

So Neil doesn't seem to know what the deal with this is, saying that he contacted DC and got no information regarding Doctor Endless. Maybe this is some bait BleedingCool made up for easy clicks, or this is so super secret that not even Neil is allowed to know.

>>93838254
Me too.
I'm just wrapping up lucifer, and while I do want more, I don't want it like this.

>>93838266
>"My source memed on me/I made it up and it's actually completely different but I'll pretend they changed things because I told people and not because I fucked up the original report"

>>93838293
Yeah rich sucks. I wouldnt post his shit here if it weren't relevant to the thread

>>93838170
>""""FIRST"""" GENDERFLUID DC CHARACTER
That's called marketing, anon.
I'm sorry you have to live with brain damage.

>>93838266
Based Neil.

>>93838308
It's not marketing. It's a made up leak that is being backtracked on already.

>>93838267
>Maybe this is some bait BleedingCool made up for easy clicks
Always bet on this unless proving otherwise

So when will BleedingCool announce other new DC characters, like Watchman, who has the personality disorders of every character from Watchmen? Or The Preacher, who's a vampire, has Jesse Custer's powers, and Tulip's vagina?

>>93826996
BASED DC TAKING OVER MARVEL'S MANTLE

BOBBY UR GAY LOL

>>93838348
Yeah, but we didn't know that in my original post did we?
Ergo, you're still retarded.

>>93827197
Sounds fucking stupid

>>93838423
Even if it was a real character it wouldn't be marketing. The only person at DC who gives BC any info is Priest and it seems like that's a more personal relationship that he has with the site.

If it was from DC PR you'd see it on Newsarama, CBR, comicbook.com, IGN, etc first not BC.

>>93838443
The stupid part is that it seems to just boil down to stereotypes. Like everyone has masculine and feminine qualities, why are we drawing the line at all?

I don't understand how it's a thing without some dysmorphia on the days where they feel like the gender that contradicts their body's sex.

>>93830115
did you read it?
its pretty good.

>>93828591
DC won't even release tpb's of most his run.

>>93838144
>Nowdays
This shit has been around for decades.

>>93838473
>Like everyone has masculine and feminine qualities, why are we drawing the line at all?

This right here is what I don't understand. I can maybe get where legit transgender people are coming from, the ones with a static gender. People who truly feel like they're in the wrong body, down to their very core. Like wearing clothes that don't fit you at all every single second of the day. It's probably a weak analogy, but w/e.

But then there's the fags that think femininity and masculinity are inherently confined in their "respective" genders and that any step outside of that confinement places you on some kind of trans spectrum. Nigga, you're not a queer gendered fluid whatever woman, you're just feminine man.

>>93827172
So, a nutjob who can't be bothered to understand human biology? XX = one gender. XY = the other. You don't get to pick.

>>93838741
>You don't get to pick.
Um, honeybunny... Just no, sweetie cup. Okie?

>>93838045
Choke to death

>>93827207
because people are more accepting of women doing things like this than men. it's why attractive lesbians show up more than gay dudes in fiction

>>93827148
a mental disorder

>>93838800
But Killer Frost IS Death

>>93838152
Matthew was still around after Sandman, but based on the ending he's likely taken up a position at the castle similar to Lucien, since he didn't want to be Daniel's raven but wanted to play a role in his life.

>>93826996
>>93827019
>>93827042
Yes, this is exactly what we want. A new character to fill a diversity slot, instead of retconning an old character.

Let's hope he/she/it is written well.

>>93826996
How about a new malay character for a chance? A genius silat practitioner with a legendary keris.

>>93838266
Good.....good.

What does "gender fluid" mean?

>>93831218
Rebis is pure existential horror, clearly not friendly enough for a publicity stunt.

>>93826996
This character will most likely be forgotten as soon as the run is over, so who gives a shit about giant corps pandering to idiots?

>>93838920
Its a cry for validation made by retarded children that think they are more special than they actually are and are afraid to realize how utterly meaningless their buzzwords are.

Hey look, it's another pathetic attempt to appeal to a very small minority of people who won't buy the comic. Nice work, comic industry.

>>93838984
Yeah but what does it "mean".

>>93838995
At the very least if the character isn't going to be good, he can be contained in a book and not crossing over to other books till he's forgotten.

>>93826996
Explain to me how a person can be genderfluid... THERE IS ONLY TO FUCKING GENDERS YOU EITHER HAVE A PENIS OR A FUCKING VAGINA

>>93827042
Nobody wanted this. If you have to advertise a character by their sexuality/gender bullshit then you don't have much of a character.

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>>93839052
Preach.

>>93827148
A cry for white girls who want to feel special because some times they wear a skirt and some times they wear jeans.

>>93839052
Becoming "genderfluid" is just another way for young people to be hip and trendy. People who try to be hip and trendy usually do it because they either aren't interesting or are incapable of developing attractive personalities.

>>93839165
I get it that they want and might dress like woman and woman like man but that does not change your gender AT ALL.

Explain to me, would a Genderfluid woman that in X day is a man go to the man bathroom since he is a man? No.

Things only 80s kids and older remember:

When Gender and Sex were the same thing.

>>93826996
more like Dr. Genderless

>>93839180
That's my point. They're mentally ill individuals who were coddled by their parents. Poor fuckers never had a chance from day one.

>>93838741
No, you've made a fundamental misunderstanding. Chromosomes relate to sex. Gender relates to how that sex is perceived by society.
I think being genderfluid itself is bullshit since the goal of being trans is transitioning, not being in some eternal fucking limbo. But whatever.

>>93839206
It's still the case in most countries. In many languages there's no two different words for "sex" and "gender", they're one and the same word.

>genders
>the endless

pick one

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>>93826996
So DC decided to make their own version of Doctor Who as interpreted by Tumblies? Because this is exactly what they want the Doctor to be now.

>>93827042
Eh...I'm with you. If they ARE going to pander than yes let it be an original character. I'm just curious if Gaiman has approved this? I thought he still has honorary veto power over Sandman but maybe DC has just said 'fuck it'.

I wonder when he & Quintum will start comparing rainbow sizes?

>>93839435
Read the thread. It's something Bleeding Cool made up not a real character.

>>93839052
You can be both, or one some days and one other days.
I know it's been years we've had people mad about this, but I never got why people are so triggered over other people's identity.
Are you all just 12?

>>93839363
I mean death is always a lady though.

>>93839455
It's a thing I just don't really understand, but at the same time I'm not going to question whatever other people want to call themselves. If I knew someone irl I might ask them to gain insight but it's mostly irrelevant.

>>93839455
Their retardation is what triggers me, their obvious need for external validation is pathetic.

>>93839472
I mean I can get that. If you've never seen something, how can one comprehend it? There's nothing at all wrong with not knowing, it's just the people that hear about it and get FURIOUS that confuse me.
Like, I wish I could make people that mad just by being me.

>>93837760
Them never changing for us the reader was because we were seeing them through Neil Gaiman's eyes when we read the comic. I'm fairly certain there were times where Desire had a set gender when s/he was dealing with someone whose culture had a set gender for what s/he represented. As for Death, you've got me there; though I think they ALWAYS have power over they're domains/wherever it is they keep the portraits of the other Endless.

>>93839455
anotha one for the /co/llage

>>93839472
Normal, rational human being
>>93839483
Degenerate, noncontributing /pol/fag

Note the difference kids!

>>93839500
There's nothing rational in participating and enabling someone's schizophrenic thoughts.

>>93827042
No, I don't want sjw pandering.

Miller had Bruno and no one made a big fuzz about this. If a character is a faggot I want to learn it while reading the comic, Morrison didn't shy away from shit. Same for Gaiman. Characters are there to serve the story, not to be a gimmick to attract clickbait shit like this. This character doesn't comes from storytelling, it comes from an editorial mandate.


Geoff johns never gave a shit about Gaiman and the endless but it's clear that now that he is in charge it's open season to rape not only watchmen as a gimmick but also Gaiman.

>>93839514
Well no, but this isn't at all that so your argument is totally invalid.
I get that within your echo chamber this might seem rational to you, but outside of it you just sound angry over another persons path to happiness, and that's just pathetic.

>>93839540
Why do other people's disagreement offend you personally? Why must everyone conform to your views or be the enemy?.

>>93839517
Don't worry man, Gaiman already slapped this farce down.

>>93839469
According to Weisman, she can also be a black man on skis and a zombie Flash. But then again, Gaiman called Weisman a shit for doing that.

>>93839550
I don't care about you believing everything I believe. I only care that you're being a dick about a thing you don't understand.
You wanna be hateful at home, in your house? Okay.
Take it outside the house and every single person has the right to tell you that you are stupid and hateful.

>>93839517
Dude, it's fake. BleedingCool made it up to start shit. Besides, if Geoff Johns wanted to bullshit Gaiman's characters, he would have had Death show up in Blackest Night.

>>93839540
But it's no one's path to happiness. The happiest women at least in the western world are women who don't work and have at least four children.

But keep telling your friends and family it's okay to shoot heroin as long as they're happy.

>>93839514
Not caring isn't the same as participating.

>>93839517
Johns isn't doing anything. This is not a real character. Fuck off.

>>93839575
Holy shit anon you are fucking retarded,

Whats next? Are we supposed to validate creationists? Hollow earth niggers? Anti-vaxxers? What other fantasies are we supposed to agree with in order to be accepted as 'non-hateful' and 'acceptable' people? Where do you draw the line?

@93838593
You don't get a (you) for such a weak strawman.

>>93839598
But you should care. Maybe if you read fewer postmodernist comics you wouldn't be such a cynical narcissist.

>>93826996
>being indecisive is a gender now

>>93839624
I'm not trying to legislate the world here dude, I'm just telling one guy he's a dick.

>>93839563
Other way around. Weisman tried to claim that they were separate beings from her that added up to the concept of death while Gaiman said that they were subservient pieces of her and she was the totality.

They are her but she is not them, if that makes sense.

>>93826996
>chromatic jacket
Well, at least they aren't ruining Dr Leo Quintum.

>>93839636
Not indecisive, just sometimes one sometimes the other. Sometimes it rains, sometimes the suns out, doesn't mean that nature is indecisive.

>>93839643
Honestly both concepts work fine but wasn't Black racer created by Kirby?
So Gaiman's happy to shit on his work?

>>93839628
Maybe if I get rich or something I'd donate to hospital research, but I'm not going to be emotionally moved about something that has nothing to do with my life. You're being irrational here unless you spend literally every hour crying about children dying in poverty or something.

>>93839665
Black Racer doesn't even show up once in Sandman. What are you talking about?

>"genderfluid"
>literally just a man

Fuck off trash

>>93827197
>Gender changes based on how you feel

So then the wage gap is fluid

>>93826996
Why not just call him Doctor Genderless instead?

>>93839678
>>literally just a man
looks like Desire to me

>>93839678
>"genderfluid"
>literally just a chick with a big clit

>>93839641
>I'm not trying to legislate the world

But you are willing to shame and hate others for their views or simple disagreement with yours? Again, where do you draw the line where a belief is acceptable as fact and where it isnt? When does one fantasy warrant validation or hate?.

>>93839665
Adding to an existing universe is not shitting on it. It's about understanding the context of the creation. Death that goes after New Gods logically should just be a part of Death for everyone. That isn't shitting on anything.

>>93839675
By creating a personification of Death in the DCU Gaiman changed the nature of the Black Racer and all other versions of Death that already existed. It's not a hard retcon though.

>>93826996
What does this mean?
Is he The Endless? Or part of the Endless or something?
What does that mean to the actual Endless characters? They are still canon on the new-52, right?
Also, when is Director Bones coming back, he was much better as the head of the anti-magic shit.

>>93827647
Changing Girl recons his metan "wife", and now she is either a man or looks like one.

>>93839701
KEK

>>93839747
It doesn't mean anything, because Neil said this isn't real.
https://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/885332672800751616

>>93839747
It doesn't mean anything and the thread should probably be abandoned for one with the follow up article so people know that this has already been debunked

>>93827362
>Not some random guy/girl playing a part or some kind of brain chemistry thing, it's magic fusion.

If it was that, it would be actually interesting. But no, the key word here is that he/she/it is a genderfluid character. That's their defining trait. Everything else is fluff.

If they made this person an interesting character and then mentioned it in passing in the comic that he's a nonbinary genderfluid mocca frappucino who identifies as female on odd days, male on even days, and a wooden plank on sundays, that would be fine.

But no, the headline starts with: "A New Genderfluid DC Comics Character", and then the description mentions it twice explicitly that this character is Genderfluid, and then specifically states that he was made for those interested in LGBTQWTF matters.

And this is the problem with modern cape comics.

>>93839784
>and then mentioned it in passing in the comic that he's a nonbinary genderfluid mocca frappucino who identifies as female on odd days, male on even days, and a wooden plank on sundays, that would be fine.
That wouldn't be fine because that's fucking wrong.

>>93839784
This is fake, but the character is not defined by being genderfluid. They are defined by channeling the personality of other characters who have different genders. It's more like an extreme empath.

>>93838175
>Sandman's gun shoots a gas that knocks you out

>Dexire's gun shoots a gas that makes you cum

>>93839821
Come on, dont be a dick! If someone wishes to be a wooden plank on sundays let them be!.

>>93839850
No, it's ridiculous, it sets a horrible precedent, and the appropriate response is to ostracize these people. You don't get to subjectively self determine your identity.

>>93839625
I was merely pointing out that it's your duty as a member of society to perform things which are beneficial for other members of your society while respecting their freedom to choose for themselves. This is what I do in my life whenever it applies.

>>93839672
For evil to triumph, good men have to do nothing. With your cynical attitude towards societal changes that you mistook for personal choices, you've let marxists infest your universities and schools so that when they appear in public they can say there are no biological differences between men and women with a straight face on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kasiov0ytEc This isn't cherrypicking. This isn't fringe. When you don't confront these things in whichever form they may appear, such as the one about someone being "genderfluid", you've effectively conceded ground. If all your life boils down to "if it doesn't concern ME directly then I shouldn't care" then I have to ask you why you're alive. Why are you talking to me? Cynical narcissist. You think by not being bothered by others is your being helpful? You think not caring is helpful. Whom does it help? Maybe you. Momentarily. So you can distract yourself for a little while longer. Now excuse me while I walk around obese and demand people think I'm beautiful and healthy.

>>93839577
Kek, no, that's why they had to put death in action comics, Johns as always hyped the shit out of his big bad, not only changed the age of the universe but also wanted to go back to captain atom's different faces of death bullshit. Death in action comic was a soft retcon.

>>93838858
That makes sense, I got sad for a minute there! He was willing to be Daniel's friend in the wake

>>93839938
You're not really giving me a reason to care or explaining how I'm being narcissistic.

It's reasonable to care about other people. It's not reasonable to get worked up about things that you have no control over. If I'm not a medical researcher or someone wealthy enough to donate to it the specifics of disease that do not involve infection are not something I can worry about because I have no influence on it.

>>93839960
What are you talking about? Action Comics wasn't even written by Johns at that time. That was Cornell being a huge Sandmanfag and wanting to write Death.

>>93826996
Didn't we already have desire? Also endless on too high level for suicide squad.

>>93840004
That guys clearly just hates Johns and is trying to grasp at straws to paint him as some kind of egomaniac when it's not true.

>>93839839
>They are defined by channeling the personality of other characters who have different genders.

the fucking article starts with:
Doctor Endless: A New Genderfluid DC Comics Character

Because that's his defining point. Not everything else.

>>93839701
more like Doctor Genderbent.

You know, this reminds me of Changelin from Freaks Squeele. He was a dorky adolescent weakling who used his powers to turn into a cute girl because that was the only way he could be around girls. Then one day another girl accidentally saw him in his original form, and forced him to stay like that because she could use him to live out her Harry Potter fuck fantasies (thinking it was another morphed form, not his original, since everybody thought that Changelin was a girl). Having someone appreciating his normal form, shortly thereafter Changelin finally turned into an adult.

It was done 10x better than any trans-sexuality related anything in western comics, ever.

>>93839659
Nature is a schizo bitch

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MAYBE IF YOU FAGGOTS LOOK AT THIS PICTURE, YOU MIGHT NOTICE THAT THIS WHOLE STORY HAS BEEN DEBUNKED BY BOTH DC COMICS AND NEIL GAIMAN

GODDAMMIT, FUCK OFF BACK TO /POL/ WHERE YOU CAN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE AS MUCH AS YOU WANT AND STOP SHITTING UP THE COMIC BOOKS DISCUSSION BOARD

QUIT ARGUING OVER FAKE CULTURE WARS OUTRAGE YOU FUCKING ILLITERATE RETARD TEENAGERS

>>93840085
If DC sent out a press release or the actual writer of the comic announced it like that you would be right, but it's the concept that makes this character genderfluid not being genderfluid as the main trait.

The article is clickbait written to be sensational to trigger people like you and it obviously worked, but there is no reason to assume someone who writes clickbait (that, again, is already debunked so we're speaking hypothetically) has any insight into how the creators would treat the subject.

>>93840085
>the fucking article starts with:
>Doctor Endless: A New Genderfluid DC Comics Character
>
>Because that's his defining point. Not everything else.

This is such utter bullshit. I fucking hate these arbitrary rules you people put on any character whop isn't a straight white male in order for them to qualify as somehow acceptable, it's the most blatant form of hypocrisy and if you mention you get shrieked at for being Tumblr.

It's the "this character is a Mary Sue!" all over again. Blatant sexism, racism and homophobia now has this fake veneer of "It's about ethics in storytelling!" to shield itself.

>>93840085
>>93840176
You don't have to reply to yourself to keep the argument going, anon

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>>93840176
>and if you mention you get shrieked at for being Tumblr.
>Blatant sexism, racism and homophobia now has this fake veneer of "It's about ethics in storytelling!" to shield itself.

I wonder why.

>>93827856
>spooky skeletons
>male

I think at this point ive figured out what i hate about modern far-spectrum politics, its the fact that no matter what the different sides ideals are, they act near goddamn identical from one another.

They may go on and on about the evils of the patriarchy or the threat the Jewish people pose against us but it all ends up with them doing the exact same shit.

With them creating hug-boxes and echo chambers to circle-jerk about their beliefs and blame everyone with beliefs even somewhat different than theirs for all the worlds problems.

just take any stupid /pol/tards or SJWs, ravings and switch out a couple of key words and one can perfectly replace the other.

thieve become an infection that infests everything and im getting sick and goddamn tired of it.

>>93841194
Black Racer traditionally uses males for the avatar and Black Flash once used Barry

>>93827147
Greatest intentions?

Its all for money, not that thats wrong but thats personal gain.

I guess you believe theyre doing this for some noble cause. Get real man.

>>93831526
It's just a state of mind dude
Why you need to be so weird about wearing skirts or pants I don't know

>>93841226
> le both sides are the same!
I see this argument made all the time, but the reality is, the current anti-SJW side or "alt right" are a direct result of the rise of the SJW in media and pop culture. One side only exists because of the creation of the other.

It's like a plague of vampires having a source of one mother vampire. You have to be aware that, yes, all these other vampires are fucking shit up, but the cause of all this is that goddamn mother vampire.

If the constant politics wars bothers you so much, understand where the cause originates from.

>>93838669
>This shit has been around for decades.

No it hasn't. Outside of some crackpot academic circles in Berkley.

>>93841418
It's not even politics. Just people arguing about stupid shit.

>>93840176
Shut up, faggot.

Attention Citizens: There is no such thing as genderfluid. There is no such thing as "gender creative"

you are all mentally ill fruitcups. Nothing more.

That is all. Good day

>>93826996
Looks like those fan created sonic characters

>>93827019
Sell to Sandman fans? Gaiman is what sells to Sandman fans, a mash of Endless character traits doesn't mean anything if it doesn't come with the kind of stories that were told in Sandman.

An continuation of Lucifer, a Sandman spin-off, wasn't enough to last 20 issues. I don't see Doctor Endless keeping anyone's attention.

>>93826996
Eh, I would've tapped that.

>>93842266
But there is, you're just behind the times, and that's okay.
we still love you.