Just saw this in a poster for one of our local comic/geek conventions.

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>all aspiring artists
Curse my desire to tell stories, but my inability to draw them.

>>93785800
Pay an artist, self-publish a mini-series, and mail it to a Marvel editor.

>>93785767
>Is Marvel really this desperate now?
They've been doing this for thirty-plus years, maybe longer unofficially.

>>93785767
>now

And i like that they cant hire good writers outside tokens.

>>93785823
Oh yeah anon? JUST do that?
How could I have been so stupid as to realize that this was all it took. Wow.

Well /co/? You gonna try out?

>>93785767
>Manila
Wait a second, is marvel paying some guy to travel to a South East Asian country to review some gooks drawings?

Is this how they got the muslim artist who put antisemitic comments in the x-men gold book?

>>93785767
oh nice, Asia Pop. Went there last year. Pretty lame but it's the only Comic Book/Pop Culture Convention here that's actually somewhat big :(

I would think writers would be a bigger concern

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>>93785911
Met this qt though, and by that I meant literally just that. I have no idea who she really is :(

>>93785849
Yeah, just do that. If you have a script, find an artist. Either pay one or find someone who would be willing to make a deal for co-ownership. Or pitch your script.

But then again, I have a feeling there is no script, and you just have an idea in your head that you think would be a good story without actually taking the effort to write it out.

>>93785767
>scouting talent is desperate

How fucking stupid are you?

Are my odds of becoming a penciller for Marvel better if I move to Malaysia or Indonesia?

>>93785998
Not him, but I am a writer who went through this and the co ownership thing killed it.

I had a full story, all character concept designs worked out pretty well, scripting, but the artist wanted 50/50 cocreator credit for the entire property and that's just not fair at that point.

Literally pitched my story to a publisher without me citing himself as co creator.

They were paid, too.

Still makes me mad to this day.

>>93785954
Chloeface/10

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>>93785998
Just because most people on /co/ are 'idea guys' doesn't mean everyone is.
And artists are expensive, fickle, and stupid. It's a hassle to find one that you even want to work with, much less capable of producing art that isn't embarrassing to look at.
>>93786134
And then this shit can happen. I don't even want to get involved in the legalese of indie publishing, but even fucking Bendis says you've got to shell out for it or else weasels will swoop in and steal your shit.

>>93786028
>>93785893
>>93785841
>>93785823
I get the scouting talent.

I don't get the scouting in some tiny Asian country for talent thing.

But yeah, it's probably how they got mister kill-Christians-Colossus.

>>93786187
He essentially tainted the well for the story so badly in about 6 months that I decided, after firing him hard, to shelve it for at least 10 years.

Finding a good artist is hard.
Finding an honest artist is hard.
Finding an artist with solid work ethic is hard.
Finding one with all 3 is really hard.

They are out there, but I'll settle for the last two and a mediocre artist almost every time now.

>>93785998

Sorry anon, not everyone grew up in upper middle class suburbia. We all can't pay someone thousands of dollars to draw our comics.

>>93786196
It's because you never know what you're going to find. Cons are big draws, and people have the resources to be real artists all over the world now. It's a low investment to send some guy out there and tell 500 people that they need more artwork practice if they can find one person that they can put on a 12 issue stealth-mini.

>>93786254
Not him, but I do run my own business that I built myself off about $500, and I will say this.

You get what you pay for.
Investing in the right people or tools pays you back more often than it doesn't.

Even if it takes time to afford that shit, it's worth it.

>>93785767
>Cebulski

>>93786259
The problem with my country is that most of these artists (>75%) are anime/manga style. Also, most of them are high school/college kids. I've met very few people who can actually come close to Marvel/DC house style. It's not a country where you can make a decent living as an artist.

>>93786289
The problem is that most writers aren't able to make any kind of real life rapport/friendship with artists prior to offering them $2,000 to draw a comic. It's just a lot of risk.
It's the #1 thing holding back my comic right now.
Before I even want to pitch them anything, I need to actually get to know them, maybe a professional friendship or something?
Sure, I can go to tumblr or deviantart and find artists, but I don't trust them. They sure as hell won't see my vision for the comic because we won't be able to talk face to face.
It all comes down to networking, really.

>>93786254
No newbie artist online is going to charge you thousands. I'd offer maybe 250 dollars.

>>93786354
There are online resources to find freelance artists and many of them include means to find feedback about those artists.

If you keep waiting for your magic partner to fall out of the sky you will wait until you are dead.

>>93786187
You're right - producing art is a lot of fucking work. It's great that you've taken the first big step to write something; now take the next step.

>>93786254
https://fairpagerates.com/year-in-review-2015-survey-results/

Boom, a real publisher, pays artists as low as $20 a page. That's ~$400 per issue. And I guarantee you can find an amateur that will do it for less.

>>93786354
>Sure, I can go to tumblr or deviantart and find artists, but I don't trust them

There are far better resources than tumblr and deviantart. Though even those can be good if you know how to look.

>They sure as hell won't see my vision
That may be true; it's always a risk of working with someone else. But there's basically two options:
1) A comic that isn't quite 100% in line with your vision
2) A comic that doesn't exist

It may cost a bit more, but any artist worth his salt will be willing to talk to you about your vision. And you don't have to pay them all up front; if they demand payment first, you just say no.

>>93785767
> fags complain they could do better but marvel wouldn't recrout their talented genius because jews
> fags complain when marvel tries to recruit their talented genius because ???

>>93786354
>The problem is that most writers aren't able to make any kind of real life rapport/friendship with artists
I'm a writer, and personally know more than half a dozen skilled artists.

Rapport and friendship =/= equal a good working relationship.

None of them are people I can actually work with. They all have skills, but no project I EVER attempted to work on with any of them made it off the drafting desk.

>scouting for talent is desperate
Believe it or not the people who get jobs are people. Not certified, government-synthesized job-getting robots.

>>93786484
All the people chewing out Boom in the comments section there is hilarious.

G-great... more tumblr-tier artists... M-marvel always wins bros...

>>93785893
>>93786196
it's not just any country, its the Philippines. a number of great artists since the bronze age has worked for marvel. its a culture that loves comics btw. also christian, not muslim.

>>93785767
Portfolio reviews are incredibly common at conventions anon. This is nothing new.

>>93786196
>some tiny Asian country

100 million people

>>93785858

Why the fuck would anyone want to work for Marvel?

Who in the right mind would want to illustrate the next issue of America "MI GENTE" Chavez?

>>93786106
those artists are desperate to work for american publishers. you cannot live your life on marvel page rates in the us.

>>93786187
and writers are vain control freaks who are not so smart as they think they are. just because you cannot draw doesnt mean you can write. did you ever ask an artist what he wanted to draw? or did you start with your own script and looked for someone willing to spend their time working on your stuff? for money, imagine that!

>>93786248
I'm on the other end. As an artist, I've got no more time to waste on badly paid projects that go nowhere by no name writers who don't have an original bone in their body.

>>93785767

It's funny that they're scouting for artists when it's new writers that they DESPERATELY need.

>>93786373
>250 dollars

that will get you ten pages of crappy art

good enough for a pitch

>>93787533
And artists....And editors....And talent scouts.

>>93787424
>why the fuck would anyone want a high profile job in their industry?

Gee, it really makes you think.

>>93785767
>asiapopcomicon
I genuenly read asianporncomicon

>>93786334
y doesn't he write more X-Men

>>93787737
>Anon, it says here that you worked for "Marvel Comics". Care to explain?

"Haha... yeah... I illustrated one of their comics, you probably haven't read it."

>Try me.

"It was (mumblemumble)"

>Come again?

"...Champions..."

>Security, get this trash out of my sight.

>>93787786
I'll take "conversations that would literally never happen" for $400, Alex.

>>93785767
i thought they hired all their creators from tumblr...wait that is their editors sorry

>>93785800
This is current marvel anon, no matter your level, you can get in, and get ready for your eisner

>>93787786
Stop projecting, idiot. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean it's not good.

>>93787906
Only if you count as a minority anon.

>>93787948

It's objectively shit.

The plotlines are shit, the entire team is just different flavors of Affirmative Action shit, and they won't fucking stop with the dumbass #twitterwoke shit.

I'm sorry about your shit taste anon, but the only other comic that is about as bad is the current America Chavez run.

>>93788034
agreed marvel is worse than a dumpster fire
sick of fucking sjw racist fuck head pushing their shitty agenda down every ones throats,

>>93785800

Why the hell would you want to tell stories for Marvel?
They'd just make you write shit you don't want to write. I mean, you'll probably get thrown onto some low-priority title at best and have your book canceled after 3-4 months.

>>93785998
>pitch your script.
Fucking nobody takes comic stories and says they'll make them. Even image and shit require you to have an artist team and everything beforehand and they just publish it.

>>93785767
Are you really this autistic? This is completely normal convention stuff.

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>>93785767
I can't wait to see all those fresh promising talent getting published by the house of ideas!

>>93786187
>And artists are expensive, fickle, and stupid. It's a hassle to find one that you even want to work with, much less capable of producing art that isn't embarrassing to look at.
long story short "a bloobloobloo nobody draws my ideas in drawthreads I'm just to intelligent"

>>93788153
This isn't an actual page from that shit stain of a book is it?

>>93788159
Not him, but I'm thinking about finding an artist my an anime convention in two weeks to do two or three concept art pieces for my animated movie pitch bible. The thing is, I'm apprehensive of this because I feel like artist alley is a place where people draw My Little Pony and the Avengers more than actual professional shit. And I'm scared most of them use their deviantart names and shit instead of real people I can give credit to.

Also, there's a chance (and I shouldn't be saying this because it'll curse it) that there may be a pretty big animator who'll look at said idea through some school connections. I don't want to keep them waiting for some con fuck I don't even know, if I'm lucky enough that ends up being the case.

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>>93788190
helllcat
a published comic book that marvel allowed to be sold in comic books stores

this a manga 4 panel gag it looks better and better written than this shit

>>93788914
Shinsuke Nakamura?

>>93788981
i think so but i haven't read a 4 panel gag comic in a while

whats so good about manga specially the 4 panel gag ones is you dont need a strong knowledge of Japanese to enjoy them

>>93787748
I wouldn't even be surprised if it did exist.

>>93786134
Yes well if you agreed to co-ownership, you made a compromise. Else just publish the comic and pay him for the art.

>>93788914
>>93788153
Isn't this Johnny Ryan's first every experience in drawing a proper comic?

I think he was dropped into the business without ever being taught to handle the "proffesional" enviroment of always trying to meet deadlines.

It's probably because I don't lurk the drawthreads, but I never see anyone on here that draws typical superheroes, just cartoons. Hopefully you know what I mean.

>>93787486
>did you ever ask an artist what he wanted to draw?
In the sense of trying to figure out their tastes and preferred genres, sure. I'm not going to ask a guy that wants to make horror slasher comics to draw a SoL romance comedy.
No, I don't go around to every artist I meet and shove my script in their face yelling, "WILL YOU DRAW DIS FOR MONIEZZZ???"

>>93788069
That would be the ideal. Get on the big stage, and then get immediately removed once you get your exposure? Then use connections to pivot to Image for creator owned shit.

>>93788159
I'll have you know that I've had tons of ideas done in the drawthread.
But to think that anyone, outside of one or two outliers, in the DT is at an appropriate skill level for publishing a comic is laughable.

>>93786289
>>93786354
I think I'm somewhat equipped to talk about this. It's not easy to develop rapport and the origins of the relationship are going to be financial unless you know them personally.

I actually got some advice from Ron Wimberly. Basically, he said it's going to be expensive but, there is room to negotiate. Basically, just find an artist who's work you like, tell them you have an idea and ask them what's the best way they can help you realize that. Even if it's just a page or a spread.

I actually commissioned a few artists for my line of clothing launching soon and through just talking to them we started spit balling ideas and got to actually working together.

Also, there's always community projects like Premier Pulp right here on co.

>>93792322
>Premier Pulp
As far as I can tell, Premier Pulp just shoves a deadline onto projects and provides some kind of editor. Like, they don't help pair up teams of writers/artists, they don't have any actual legal protection for what they produce. It's fun to see /co/ actually do something, but I don't see the value in doing it with them.

>>93785800
Curse my desire to draw stories but my inability to write them

I have so many ideas but fuck do I suck at developing them

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Do they do these at New York comic con? I wanna try and submit some things.

Does DC also do these things?

>>93786815
in Asia? No just some odd-psudeo-but-oddly-better than anime artists

>>93785767
C.B who?

>>93792364
>As far as I can tell, Premier Pulp just shoves a deadline onto projects and provides some kind of editor. Like, they don't help pair up teams of writers/artists, they don't have any actual legal protection for what they produce.

You're half right. They don't have a specific process to pair up artists and writers but, they do provide you channels to talk to people. When I was there, the editors did ask around on behalf of writers who needed artists. But, it's still a good way to get some of your work produced so you can create a portfolio and show other people what you're doing in hopes getting them to join you.

They don't have any sort of legal protection which is true.

>>93785893
>gook
>muslim
>pinoyland
Cant tell if actually retarded or just spouting pol-maymays

>>93788208
Honestly, don't be scared. Find somebody who has good art and talk to them. You're going to have to sift through a lot of bullshit fanart but there are always gems to be found.

What issue does not using their real name present, though?

>>93792445
Oh so they actually did help? I was under the assumption that everyone actually involved was a solo writer or a solo artist, and that it was largely a pipedream to get paired with an artist.
>They don't have any sort of legal protection which is true.
Which seems like it should be the most important thing to have.

>>93785849
>I don't want to put in the effort it takes to learn how to draw and rather pretend it's some magical genetic ability
>But fuck you if you think I'm gonna reach out to an artist and pay them

You are literally the worst.

>>93792625
>What issue does not using their real name present, though?
I would assume professionalism and background checks. Don't want to accidentally hire somebody that is knee deep in furry loli porn, or something like that.

>>93792743
>who is Rebecca Sugar

I get what you mean. You raise a good point but, most people who don't do that crazy shit are usually above board.

>>93788981
Yes

>>93792742
>reaching this hard
C'mon anon. Try harder.

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>>93785767
FTFY

>>93785800
You can pretend to be part of a minority and become the new Gabby Rivera.
A stick figure webcomic should be enough for a resume.

>>93792726
Yeah! They didn't help me directly, I mostly just reached out to help edit/co-write/asked for help. I'd have to look at the fall publication again and to remember who got paired up by the editors. I just remember it being one of the better ones.

The legal protection they have is about the equivalent to putting your stuff on tumblr and risk having it stolen.

>>93785767
>cebulski
literally who?

>>93792841
>VP of International Development and Brand Management of Marvel
Can't you read? It's printed very clearly.

>>93792870
sounds like a communist to me

>>93786187
It happened to me too.

>Find talented artist with similar tastes
>We both like each other's work and want to collab
>He starts telling me how to write
>Starts talking about politics
>Tries to turn everything into a political argument
>Tells me he won't work with me because of personal political stances that don't effect the story/project

He had mentioned that he never finished a collaboration with anybody yet and I think I know why. It's a shame too. He had a good work ethic and we had a good concept for a story. I'd try to salvage elements of it and reuse it but I feel scummy and it just left a bad taste in my mouth.

>>93785800
Eh, im good at writing stories decent at drawing and i get better at coloring everyday, with a few years of practice im going to make it but not with marvel fuck those hipster fucks i have seen webcomics better than their current shit

DC is where is at but i need to reach god mode before i can consider myself worthy of being a janitor at DC

>>93792917
Gross.

But anon I don't see why you don't take elements that you made in the story and use them for your own stuff? You basically made it.

>>93793056
That was the plan originally. I tried writing the first few chapters for it and it was going well but I guess the memory is a bit too fresh for me to get into it. Thankfully I've got other projects. 1. a pipedream that will cost me like $2k to get a pitch version made. 2. A scifi project that's actually coming to fruition.

What are you working on, anon?

>>93792426
dc has annual talent search program

>>93792984
>not with marvel fuck those hipster fucks
>need to reach god mode before i can consider myself worthy of being a janitor at DC
I see you're quite unbiased, too!

>>93793193
The problem is, they don't pick nobodies. Everyone that was selected last year was an established writer whether they be published authors, radio producers, journalists, etc.

>>93792917
This is the kind of attitude that just bugs the shit out of me with comics right now. So much has to have a statement.
I just want to write weird and interesting stories, not pursue gender studios, or champion some race cause. Other people are doing it with a very wide range of success, so I don't really feel any desire to throw my hat into that ring.

>>93793339
It's funny you say that because I agree but I'm also super fucking liberal. Sure, there are legitimate grievances about gender issues and racial discrimination but, not EVERY story NEEDS to be about it. Like fuck, just let stories be stories. Tell me something new and exciting that keeps me enthralled. You said it best, it's been done well and successfully, do something original.

He was actually super conservative and told me I had no idea what Buddhism was about because I said Buddhist opposed war and then proceeded to tell me that Tibetans choose to live in filth.

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>>93793556
>not EVERY story NEEDS to be about it. Like fuck, just let stories be stories.

Super serious offer here: I'll draw your script for free or the low fee of 5-10 dollars a page.

I'm not very good(below Henderson level) but neither were most of our favorite artists when they first started out. Lets make some comics.

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>>93785767
I want to be a writer though

ill even start at a dump at marvel for free just to get my name out there

>>93794157
Have a site or something?

>>93793761
This is pretty accurate.

>>93794637
Nobody starts at Marvel or DC you dweeb. It's what you generally work up to.

>>93785800
I mean this as literally as I can:
Literally any retard can learn to draw with the barest willpower. Anyone.
Hell even counting people with paralysis or whatever, if you can move your hand enough to shitpost in 4chan you can learn to draw decently.

Why would I bust my ass to make a decent portfolio when you're the publisher that'll give Erika Henderson and Natasha Allegri paying gigs?

>>93795207

Why do some of you come up with pathetic excuses not to try?

>>93785954
>Anime and Manga School
holy fucking kek

is that run by that awful faggot mark crilley or some shit

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>>93794787

No but this is sample of my work.

>>93794850
I am learning to draw, and it will suit my needs for a while, but I am ambitious and want to create comics in a wide range of genres.
It's likely more feasible to get them to draw for me, hopefully at decent wages.
>>93795207
Because they're more popular than you. You have to work harder at it.

>>93795249

Everyone gets it in their head that because Marvel comics is "Marvel" that submitting work and getting paid by them is some huge accomplishment in 2017 when the output of their bullpen now is pretty fucking lacking, to say the least.

I love the Dallas Cowboys, but i'd be an idiot to try out as a running back if the rest of the team is full of drug addicts and cripples?

>>93795310
Okay I'm asking the wrong question then. You tell me then, why do you want to work for Marvel comics? To just draw the characters? You think they pay the most? What's the goal for you?

>>93795291
am I looking at rectal unbirthing or some shit

>>93795346
>them is some huge accomplishment in 2017

It is one though anon. Henderson and artists of her elk are on specific books, they aren't headlining Avengers or doing the next big event. inb4 they will eventually

>>93795368

Its the best you're going to get for free.

>>93795452
Nobody gives a fuck about Marvels """events""".

>>93795472
show me a snippet of your commission-quality art and i might send some cash your way for something

>>93795291
Email, then?

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>>93795504

>commission quality

To be honest, i don't think I'm good enough to take cash from people yet.

>>93795511

[email protected]

>>93795662
Don't sell yourself short anon. Your stuff reminds me a bit of this French artist Merwan Chabane. I really like it.

>>93795834

Oh I've dled a few of his books, he's really good. Thank you.

>>93785858
I have no artistic skill and my writing is shit.

>>93785849

Cancer, if you don't want to put in the effort don't lament over what could have been.

All the talent and intelligence in the world can't help you if you don't get off your ass and work.

>>93795291
>>93795662
I love hatching art like this.
My scripts aren't ready yet, but I'm going to shoot you an email just to touch base.

>>93790617
Natasha Allegri, actually. The "Bee and Puppy Cat" lady. This kind of art is pretty much what she's known for, so she sort of just does it. Which is sad, because I know for a fact she can draw way the fuck better.

She used to come on /co/ and post pages from her sketch book, she's a way better artist than she's been pretending to be for years. I worry that maybe this really is the extent of her skill now, though. Like, maybe she decided this was somehow better than her older art. It's a thing that happens, sometimes. Artists can literally go backwards and lose skill on purpose. Then sit happy with the results if they think it's the more popular form of art.

>>93795472
This is dumb. Does this mean you don't even have a portfolio, then? Get a site, even a tumblr or a deviantart. You need references people can see and know. You can't just roll in and say you'll draw, you need examples of your skill. Art sites, nowadays, are considered valid portfolios in the industry and among commission based artists and clients. Even if non artists tend to mock them.

If your answer to someone wanting to see more of your art when you've produced a single piece for them to see is, "You'll have to pay to see more" I can't imagine many people contacting you for more art. Get a working portfolio, get a commission page, get something.

>>93797333
I can never remember, was it Nat or Sugar that had the nacho incident with /co/?

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>>93788153

This never amazes me. How did anyone see this half assed unfinished mess of a page and think this was acceptable? Even the shittiest and most shameless of artists wouldn't half ass this badly. There's webcomic tier art and this manages to be worse than that.

>>93797460
It's because the editors at Marvel have completely lost their minds, and are scrambling to find different audience to buy comics. This is a reaction to that. Also, I imagine that she's cheap and fast and gets her pages in ahead of schedule.

>>93797418
What was the nacho incident? I don't remember it by that name, but I would probably know what you meant if you described it. It was probably Nat if it happened here, though. Sugar doesn't really visit us.

>>93797546
You;ld think so, and maybe with Nat it's true? But Erica Henderson, the woman who does Squirrel Girl is apparently behind schedule a lot despite her art being simple and her workload light. It's really obvious near the ends of some of her books where the art seems to degrade backwards into nothing at all. Because she does them from start to finish. The Galactus one is especially bad right at the end. But she's cheap and apparently does all the art in the book and a cheap author (Ryan North) writes it. So it's sloppy and looks terrible, but they only have to pay two cheap people as opposed to 4+ cheap people to make the book as was the tradition.

>>93798571
At this point, there are multiple stories since so few people were actually there back then. Take any combination of a drawthread, nachos, and Nat's vagina. Some people say that someone just talked to her about it, some say someone actually drew it, some say that they asked her to draw it. The only thing we know for sure is that she stopped interacting with /co/ vocally, but every now and then it seems like some mysterious drawfag would show up and draw a picture in her style, and then vanish.
>>93798680
Don't forget, it's 'good' optics for Marvel to keep her around just because she's so vocal with her fans that they might actually buy her comic.