>The Amazing Spiderman movies shyed away from the source marital

the Raimi films are not the source material

>everyone loves it
You mean rotten tomatoes?The same ones that gave wonder woman a 92/91 score?Because /co/ and /tv/ are not "loving it"

>>93721642

Because the ASM movies are bad as actual movies.

Criticism over accuracy to the source material and criticism of the actual film quality are two separate discussions.

>>93721642
Marvel Studios.

>>93721642
Homecoming had personality and charm, didn't feel like a rehash, and didn't set up a million spin-offs that will never happen, which in turn made it a more fulfilling standalone movie.

>>93721642
mcu disney shills

>>93721682
I'm not talking about he Rami movies.
Amazing Spiderman (more specifically 2) was a disaster considering that you had Sony trying to reinvent Spiderman as this cool hipster and failing to make everything more edgy in reaction to the Dark Knight movies.
Spiderman Homecoming was a bastardization of Spidermna and the supporting cast like making Flash into a an athletic manlet, and making Spiderman being an ironfag.

>>93721642
The ASM movies were overstuffed and had no real direction

Homecoming was good but people need to calm down about it being 94% out of 100%.

This may sound nit picky
1. So a salvage crew went from salvaging to running crazy alien weaponry, with no one on their ass
2. How the hell does a guy, with no knowledge that we know of you know just master Alien Tech by himself
3. The effects are the are pretty bad, this has bene a trend for most comic book movies
4. Vulture was okay, by MCU standards he's "great" but in reality he had one good scene with him threatening Peter
5. Maybe it was just me but I couldn't see a damn thing of the fight scene with Vulture on the Plane. It was Dark, clouds in the way, ALOT of quick cuts

Side note, if you watched even the first trailer the first hour feels like a drag because you already saw 90% of those scenes.

>>93721761

Again, film quality has nothing to do with accuracy.

The ASM movies could be about an OC donut steel called The Supreme Spider-Guy and they wold still be shit films in a vacuum. ASM 1 is a weak remake of the first Raimi film with all the personality stripped out and the sequel is an unqualified disaster, 2.5 hours of setup for sequels with no story to call its own.

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Implying that shying away from the source material is why ASM failed

>shoddy at best supervillain motivations
>shoehorned in green goblin
>poorly designed villains
>dubstep boss battle
>Rehashing the origin story

Cmon anon we both know you're not trying to start a discussion

Here's your (you) you wanted so bad buddy, don't spend it all at once

>>"Do you enjoy the Washington Monument?"
>>"I can't enjoy something made by slaves"
>>Crowd starts whooping loudly
>>Black women start crying tears of joy.
>>Black men stand up "THAT HOW IT IS! THAT HOW IT IS!"
>>Jay Z starts playing in the back of the theater
>>The smell of weed fills the room.
>>Car drives through the wall of the theater, starts bouncing

>>93721761
Well Raimi deviated in just as many ways, so I guess nothing changed except Spider-Man gets to play with the Avengers now.

Also I never hated ASM for deviating from either the comics or the Raimi films.

>>93721815
Are you a Pentacles or Coins, man?

>>93721642
-Existing new fanbase with Spidey already appearing in Civil War
-ASM was more interested in setting up it's cinematic universe than telling a story which everybody could see while Homecoming already exists in one so it doesn't have the problem

>>93721815
It was basically presented as a brazen cash grab and marketing didn't do them any favors when they focussed exploding the two movies they had into a cinematic universe before anyone in the audience ever asked for it.
It was shoddily stitched together from focus testing nonsense and corporate mandate and that just didn't amount to good movies.
Rehashing stuff we had seen a few years prior certainly did not help them, either.
Nor did spamming the least interesting villains or shoehorning in a plot about his parents.

My 15 and 16 year old sons went to see the movie last night. Both hated it. they said it was like watching a Saturday afternoon Disney channel movie. They used a lot of unflattering teenage slang to basically call it lame and corny. both said entire sections are completely boring. Both said Spiderman is okay except when he talks then his voice ruins every scene. I agree with Hollands voice. Its very annoying. I doubt I watch it because my kids are usually spot-on with their cape movie opinions.

>>93721836
scene was a little strange but I believe a high schooler would do and say that.
high schoolers are rebellious, the MJ character who said it was loner type academic who would talk back against a teacher
It was strange but not out of character or outside of reality, whatever
Probably just not a well-executed scene if people are complaining about it, I'd understand that

>>93721929
I don't think your Wife's sons' dad would appreciate you lying about his children, anon.

>>93721804
>1. So a salvage crew went from salvaging to running crazy alien weaponry, with no one on their ass
>2. How the hell does a guy, with no knowledge that we know of you know just master Alien Tech by himself
this and a couple of other small things is what drags it down from that 94% for me

>>93721852
I usually roll with pentacles just because Rider Waite was my first deck. I always thought the two are synonymous. Is there any significance to the verbage used? Wands vs staves etc

>>93721929
What did they think of BvS then?

>>93721642
>What changed?

The former was made purely so Sony could hold onto the rights and had no care for telling a decent story be particularly creative in mind. The latter was made, begrudgingly, because the former was a critical disappointment and was, mostly, put into the hands of people who actually did care about telling a decent story and be creative with the character.

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>>93721642

>>93721642
>not realizing that comic book movie criticism can be basically boiled down to favoritism at this point
Marvel Studios can do no wrong.

>>93722163
this

>>93721985
The Tinker has always been crazy smart at developing tech though, and considering he had nearly a decade to learn about how to apply alien tech to human tech I wasn't too bothered by this. And not long after Damage Control ducked everyone out of their jobs the Hydra incident happened, Vulture made a big deal about staying under the radar, given everything that was happening in the world it's not so unbelievable that they were able to remain cautiously hidden.

>>93721932
People who complain about that line are insecure white cucks

Movie got 92% from this alone

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Br1qIyKWFp0

>>93721642
Thats like saying red paint smells like blue paint. The difference is one wasn't produced by the people who think they can kickstart a Spider-Man universe without Spider-Man. It has nothing to do with anything else, anyone can rewrite a story but better.

>>93721704
this

>>93722220
I have never read a spider man comic in my life, and they provided none of this backstory, so to me it looked like a random salvage crew stole alien tech and was able to build crazy gadget seemingly out of nothing, which felt really goofy and weird.

>>93722280
I think most people would over look Tinker, he's not exactly the most compelling of characters, and they never made an effort to make sure you knew who he was. Still, super glad they tossed him in the mix, he's what made Vulture's entire crew possible.

>>93721804

>1. They kept it low key up until peter found it. According to the movie there was still alien tech being moved around so it's not hard to believe that they could run it where there are possibly numerous other people running it too.

>2. Guy was goofing around with it during the intro. It's totally possible he would learned it a bit more after 8 years. And the fact he was the tinkerer.

>3. yeah

>4. agree

>5. there was alot more happening there than what the trailer showed.

>>93721642
Is /co/ nothing but newfags and contrarian dipshits at this point? Homecoming was a good movie even without the mcu brand name you faggots keep screeching about or the capeshit formula. ASM1&2 weren't. Just fucking leave it at that, go do something else.


>>93722280
>I have never read a spider man comic in my life

Here it is.

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>>93722544
I do have this epic reaction image though

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>>93721642
Mouse PR

>>93721932
It was a well executed quip, 4chan is just going /pol/ about it

>>93722280
In capeshit if a character is good with technology they are unbelievably amazing at technology. Didn't you see the fat Lego kid hacking Tony Stark's Spiderman suit in a single afternoon?

>>93721836
I do like how that scene was mostly played for laughs and wasn't a huge defining character trait.

>>93721929
Do they think Civil War is the best Marvel movie?

>>93721804
That's not how RT scores work. The 94% means 94% of reviewers thought it was a good movie. The actual score is something like 7.7/10.

>>93721697
As if /co/ and /tv/s opinion on anything matters.

>>93722975
Trying to explain how RT scoring works to people huh? You're a brave one.

>>93721804
>>93721985
>94% out of 100%.
>drags it down from that 94% for me

dummies

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>ges buried under rubble
>starts to cry

hahaha gay! Who writes this shit?

>>93721642

Homecoming:

>"You know what? Let's use some of the stable of characters that never get used. People have seen enough Harry Osborn and Gwen Stacy. How about Ned Leeds? Let's keep this street level, no sky lasers this time, he's just a kid. Also, we have the option to use Iron Man, we're going to do that, no argument. Let's address the elephant in the room, New York should not be filled with 99% white people. People will like this or hate this, just so long as it's not a Spiderman story people have seen on the screen already, no Green Goblin."

Amazing Spiderman:

>What if we replaced nerdy Peter with a cool high school guy stereotype? Let's replace his personality with a stereotypical hero's journey type. Let's let him have 'female character die to further his character development' moment, no one's tired of that. I know, that's supposed to happen years down the line when you're comfortable, but it doesn't change the narrative if this happens second movie, right? You know who we should make the villian? Green Goblin, I'm pretty sure a few years is enough time for people to be ready for a fresh take, but not too different, we don't want to confuse audiences. Let's give this character who has never had a destiny, maybe was created as a critique on destiny characters, some other character's destiny story arc! Let's do the exact same Uncle Ben death. No changes. How about if Peter had some other character's weird Paren't mystery? Even though Peter's parent's have always been dead and that's an important detail, what if they were alive?

Basically, all the stuff Amazing contributed was either 'the exact same thing the Tobey movies did' or 'we took parts of this beloved character and overwrote them with focus group approved character archetypes and stereotypes. Homecoming isn't perfect, but at least it's trying.

>>93724177
>replacing Peter with Steve Urkel is a good thing

>>93724316
Said no one, because only a moron would compare this Peter to Steve Urkel?

>>93724356
You're right, he's more like Steven Universe.

>>93721719
/thread

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>>93724177
Ned isn't Ned from the comics though, literally everything about him is different. Don't act like they're drawing from the source material when they make Ned an obese Asian hacker high schooler. Meanwhile, ASM nailed Gwen and Captain Stacey, they're almost straight from Stan's stories.

And even though Uncle Ben was a rehash, but at least he exists. In the MCU I don't think he's even a character, Peter never brings up his lessons and May is ready to hop on Tony's dick.

>>93725817
>Peter mentions how he doesn't want to stress May out after everything that's happened to her recently
>May tells Peter that she doesn't like or trust Tony while they are at dinner
Really rotates the wheel

>>93726026
She's just tsundere for Uncle Tony.

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>>93726026
>Kevin Feige is too scared to even mention Ben's name
>MCU babies eat up vague references

>>93726114
>>93726114
Feige is a smart guy anon. He just doesn't want to scare the little kids watching Iron Man 4. My nephew, age 5 was able to watch the movie because of his smart decision.

>>93721804
The first bit actually seems to happen a lot in the MCU; two examples I can think of at the moment are the Judas Bullets and the Tesseract weapon from Slingshot.

>>93726114
Do we HONESTLY need to dedicate any amount of time to that though? Spider-Man's origin story is just as well known as Batman's, you can stand in a crowd of people, throw a rock in any direction and whoever it hit would probably be able to sum up their origins. As much as I don't want to bring up Martha I feel like the only reason why we had to see the Wayne's killed again was so that line at the end wouldn't feel anymore out of place. What would having them mention Ben's name or the fact that he was killed have brought to the movie that the general audience can't already figure out?

Why didn't Pete have to register? Did I miss something in Avengers 2.5?

>>93726569
Because he's not an Avenger. Also because nobody gives a shit about him because he's useless without Uncle Tony.

One minor problem I had with Homecoming is that it felt like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. in the sense that they wouldn't stop shoving MCU references in your face in order to insist that, yes, this is set in the same universe. I understand Marvel and Sony want to celebrate their partnership but it was a bit obnoxious at times.

>>93726636
>implying anyone was watching the movie for Spiderboy
People only came to see for the references.

>>93726681

fucking this lol

>>93726681
I was just there for spiderkid

>>93721642
>What changed?
Execution.
/co/'s too autistic to understand that ideas aren't good or bad, their implementation is what matters. Movie threads seem to double down on this particular brand autism.

>>93726721
t. Holland.

>>93721697
/co/ and /tv/ are filled with racist misognists. Their opinions are irrelevant

>>93721814
>Again, film quality has nothing to do with accuracy.
This is false. A capeshit adaptation is what it is. It adapts from a capeshit source material. It doesn't spontaneously exist from a vacuum. Because of this, you HAVE to take into account how well it adapts its source material. At least to some degree. It's a balance of judging the adaptation as a film on its own merits, but also ackmowledging how successfully it adapts from the source.

>>93721804
>1. So a salvage crew went from salvaging to running crazy alien weaponry, with no one on their ass
They explain how.
No big public displays, no code names, no masks. As soon as First Shocker starts blowing cars up to show off the guns he gets chewed out, booted, and killed for drawing attention onto the crew.

>>93721642
>What changed?
the logo

>>93726748
Please return to tumblr.

>>93721719
It wasn't "standalone" for sure. Everything is something caused by the avengers and feels like prepared to do the sequel.

>>93721642
>B-but it's FUN, do you hate FUN? Stop being a mad virgin and laugh more :^)

>>93721697
>Because /co/ and /tv/ are not "loving it"
yes we are or do you not actually pay attention to what's going on around here

the only people who don't love this movie are either DC shitposters who wouldn't know a good movie if their life depended on it and people who haven't seen it

>>93721873
I felt that creating a cinematic universe (like Nolan did with 3 movies) is easier than nerf the character so Avengers can look "cool&awesome"

>>93726877
Nolan's movies are not a "cinematic universe". They're a single series with a setting used only in that series.

>>93726619
But I thought everyone that wears a mask and had capabilities had to register. Again I could be wrong I watched it once and forgot damn near everything that happened in it. Also how was this below Avengers pay grade when it's a masked super going about. Why did Tony still have automated suits when the Ultron event happened?
Overall this movie was pretty ok, but some nitpicky stuff adds up for me.

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>>93726748
their opinions aren't irrelevant because of that. no one cares what they have to say because they're all shitposters and contrarians. everyone who posts here is, even you and me.

>>93721642

how did they shy away from the source material again?

Because it's very true to what the core of Spider-man is

Every fucking adaptation changes things. All the cartoons did. Even critically lauded stuff like BTAS did.

>>93726026
>doesn't include himself in the everything despite supposedly having a great relationship with his uncle as a surrogate father
Fascinating.

>>93723924
>>93722975
One day they'll learn, right? Right?

>>93721697
>Because /co/ and /tv/ are not "loving it"

/co/ and /tv/ "not loving" something is actually a promising recommendation. Still not going to see this though, the MCU will get no more money from me.

>>93726986
>very true to what the core of Spider-man is

Yeah, black MJ with unwashed hair making deadpan comments about slaves building the Washington monument is straight out of the classic comics.

>>93726026
I think the movie made the right choice avoiding the origin and Uncle Ben, but that's such an important part of Peter's character that it did feel a bit awkward to me without it. I'd like for the sequel to at least mention Ben a bit, even though we don't need to rehash his death in full or pull a Spidey 3.

>>93727058

Mary Jane Watson was aware of social matters in her earlier comics and came from a disadvantaged home

her hair is fine

but even if those things weren't true she's hardly the first major character to be heavily changed from one media to the next and be accepted by the general public

>>93726986
You can't bring everything from comics to movies, games, etc. so people just bring the "basic" stuff. In Homecoming they don't bring basic stuff, they SHIT on the basic stuff and change some other things that are not used so often

>>93727095

you can absolutely feel Ben's influence in this movie, both in how overprotective May is and in the scene where Toomes tells Peter to walk away and Peter knows full well that he can't

they just don't make a big deal out of it because it makes no sense for characters to go "as you know" to each other about that shit

>>93727120
>accepted by the general public
what's the difference between a racist and someone too afraid to speak their mind?

>>93727132

what "basic stuff" do they shit on? Besides Mary Jane Watson and Flash Thompson's "white purity"?

>>93727156
Yeah, that's fair.

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>The Amazing Spiderman movies shyed away from the source material
It didn't tho. It was the most accurate by using homages and montages.

In my humble opinion, TASM series is not objectively bad.

They are well structured movies, and even with the supposed "executive meddling with the script", the director and cretive team did a good job showing their style. I like Marc Webb's "music clip" style of action and editing. The characters were fresh, the acting was good, the universe was coherent, etc.

Peopel bash the movies as if it's shit or not well done. The movies didn't have too many villains, and every other criticism we see around here is plain wrong. It's just that people didn't like the movies and try to reason why by bashing technical aspects of it.

The reason why they didn't like it is because it's a bad Spider-man story.

Yes, the best aspects of Spider-man, and what defines the character, is his struggle to live a normal life anf be spider-man at the same time. Although Raimi's movies were huge cringey technical garbage with ilogical plot points and useless characters that didn't act like human beings, the story managed to reach that core aspect of Peter trying to still have friends and a normal life whilst dealing with street level crime. That's spider-man.

TASM seres tried to adapt a greater story arch. An uninteresting story arch, with boring plot points, boring twist, and it stole the time from seein ANYTHING from Peter's social life. Not a coincidence that the first movie was better perceived, since it had more moments like that, and not a coincidence that the romance was praised either. Those were objectively good adapted moments from what people wanted to see. All the rest was still well done, but it was not what people wanted to see. Honestly, who cares about Peter's parents and some kind of Oscorp paranoia, we want to see how this guy stops some bullies and still don't miss the train.

So there you go, OP.

>>93727156
>they just don't make a big deal out of it
Dude, they ignored it. They just put a Tony Stark line in his mind to give him strenght. This is not correct

>>93726986
>no Ben
>Flash is a pathetic bully
>Spiderman being reliant on the suit and an Ironfag
>Ned Leeds is just Ganke

>>93727179
they shit on spider sense

>>93727158

being racist?

I mean did you people feel this way when Liz Allen became hispanic in Spectacular? When Nick Fury became black? Korath? The same arguments happened with Heimdall, I know that, and this is the exact same fucking thing

>>93727235

they just chose not to focus on it due to other adaptations relying too much on it. He still has it.

>>93727254
the forced perception is the problem. that we have to have these changes or else you're racist.

>>93726840
You should get to know some people and read some comics

>>93727279
again you're speaking out of term. choosing not to focus and ignoring are two sides of the same hypocritical coin

>>93726934
Well, I felt Amazing was something like that and you called it a Cinematic Universe

>>93727222

why is Spider-man looking up to Iron Man a bad thing? It makes sense in this universe, given he was an impressionable kid who was into science, and Tony was a science based super hero

Flash ALWAYS starts out as a pathetic bully at first and gets redeeming characteristics later

Being reliant on the suit was also a part of the movie's core theme of Peter finding confidence in himself

>>93727220

They had Peter recall that line because it related to his current situation and it has to do with the actual fucking events of the movie. "Hey, let's have Peter call back to something that hasn't been portrayed in this movie yet" would be fucking terrible writing

>>93727120
>her hair is fine
Dude c'mon. She isn't even called Mary Jane Watson

>>93727280

New York is the most culturally diverse city in the country. Most of his classmates are gonna be minorities.

Ignoring that would be kind of racist, yes.

>>93727315

Sometimes people make creative decisions to avoid falling into established creative traps. Other movies have absolutely had a problem with overusing the damn thing. I can understand putting it on the backburner.

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Did they really make Mary Jane a black trans activist?

>>93727391

yeah, and she's hardly the first comic book character to end up like that. Why single her out?

>>93721642
Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2 we're bad as just regular movies
Peter is suddenly some faggot hipster and the dynamic of
>Loser outside of suit
>Hero in suit
Is gone when you make both in and out of suit character already confident

>>93727207
>They are well structured movies, and even with the supposed "executive meddling with the script", the director and cretive team did a good job showing their style. I like Marc Webb's "music clip" style of action and editing. The characters were fresh, the acting was good, the universe was coherent, etc.
One of the things I really like about TASM2 is that, if you pay attention, time is a really big theme throughout the movie. There are a lot of references to time, emphasis on clocks, etc. Which is all counting down to Gwen's death at the clocktower. It's a neat little touch, and the sort of little detail that makes movies a little more enjoyable to me. Still problems with pacing and execution, but neat little touches.

I think the biggest problem with Spidey on film is that he's not a great character for film. The Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon was so fantastic because of the time it could devote to his personal and superhero lives, and the struggles and conflicts of both. In a 2 hour movie, it's a lot harder to try to cram everything in.

>>93727410
>New York is the most culturally diverse city in the country
funny how there's not been many "diverse" characters in spidermans history. oh wait that's completely wrong. but lets change shit anyways

not having the uncle ben sob story? sure. not having spider sense cuz it's overused? nah i don't think so

>>93726758
>>93727472
He did have spider sense
Did you want a list of things he does rattled off?
Every reflexive move he took was a direct result of spider sense kicking in

>>93727472

most of Spidey's diverse characters are criminals or people who got written out and forgotten

also, if they used, say, Glory Grant instead of MJ, you'd all still be complaining, both for the racist shit, and for focusing on a "literally who"

>200 years from now when they are still rebooting spiderman movies every 5 years, just having white people in your movie will be a hate crime

>>93727179
-Using the signal correctly and not like a toy
-Spider sense
-Making his own web
-Using web to do stuff, like a parachute
-Making his own suit
-Making his own spiderbots
-Not being fan of the Avengers
-Having too much strong so he have to be careful not to kill bad guys
-Punching guys actually
-Having a father figure to tell him why to fight (motivation)
-Having a bully who isnt just a nerd

Do you really not saw all of that? Do you really accept Spiderman has to get permission from Tony Stark to do stuff?

>>93727346
I didn't said he had to remember Uncle's Ben line in that specific moment. The whole movie had to be different and be about Spider-man instead of what Tony Stark wanted Spider-man to be

>>93727509
lazy writing even lazier justification
>>93727513
>literally who"
speaking of Vulture, how lame was that costume?

>>93727545

>-Making his own web

did you watch the fucking movie because he does that

>-Making his own suit
>-Making his own spiderbots

He's a fucking fifteen year old

>-Having a bully who isnt just a nerd

a magnate school focusing on gifted kids isn't going to have a football team, which Manhattan doesn't have many of anyway

>Do you really not saw all of that? Do you really accept Spiderman has to get permission from Tony Stark to do stuff?

The whole movie is literally about Peter becoming his own fucking person. Did you not pay attention to the ending?

>>93727601

His costume was amazing. Using the ruff of his bomber jacket was a clever way of incorporating the fringe from his comic suit without looking like a loser in a fluffy onesie

>>93727644
did he have mechanical feathers?

>>93727685

he has mechanical wings anyway, what the fuck are you complaining about?

>>93727706
>reading is hard
asking questions is somehow complaining to you? back to school, idiot

>>93727685
Yes, and he used said feathers to block bullets from the FBI and cut through one of Spidey's webs. It was pretty badass

>>93721642

ASM1 riff on the aesthetic of the Dark Knight
ASM2 riffs on the aesthetic of Avengers

Visually the production values are fine, but the writing is not. Peter Parker is a big fucking asshole and there' a lack of a strong theme to the villains.

ASM2 literally has an effeminate mad scientist german doctor torture Electro for no discernible reason.

>>93721804
>2. How the hell does a guy, with no knowledge that we know of you know just master Alien Tech by himself

Phineas Mason, the portly blonde guy, was clearly the brain behind the operation. And there was an 8 year time gap for him to figure stuff out.

>>93727756
does sound cool. interested to see how he looks now

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>>93727207
>Yes, the best aspects of Spider-man, and what defines the character, is his struggle to live a normal life anf be spider-man at the same time. Although Raimi's movies were huge cringey technical garbage with ilogical plot points and useless characters that didn't act like human beings, the story managed to reach that core aspect of Peter trying to still have friends and a normal life whilst dealing with street level crime. That's spider-man.
Well!! Im not alone in this. People who defend this movie (Homecoming) just say it's enjoyable or fun or whatever. If is that what you wanted just go watch something new like Suicide Squad. Spider-man has to be Spider-man to be acceptable

>>93727789
There is a moment where he's perched on the edge of a billboard waiting, and he looks so fucking awesome easily my favorite shot in the whole movie. Hope you enjoy it as much as I did anon

>>93727410
How does
>NYC is the most culturally disperse city
to
>We have to change a character known for being a beautiful redhead into an average mixed girl when most classmates are already non white
Please explain.

>>93727207
>poor script
>extremely messy tone
>long drawn out scenes with peter doing nothing interesting
>all villains are visually terrible and ruin the action scenes, which are typically the only redeeming feature of godawful capeshit movies
>terrible and lifeless performances all round
How anyone can defend this pile of shit I have no idea.

>>93727434
Because it felt stupid, forced, memed and it was already a good character. Even an iconic character who didnt need to change so you can feel included

When did /co/ become /v/?

>>93727445
I'll say this was the biggest issue for me

>>93722223
Or people tired of whining from people over shit that happened before they were born. And projection just makes you look retarded but you're a liberal so being retarded is natural for you

>>93726252
The presence of Ben in Peter's life and the impact his death had in shaping him.

I agree there's no need to go the whole hog and dedicate a scene to it, put passing mention or a visual clue will ground the idea in the film itself.

>>93727617
>did you watch the fucking movie
So you just ignore stuff from my argument. I was talking about the different web shots in this one, but now I really don't want to talk to you anymore.
Go and say this movie has no flaws if you want to. Disney is goint to forget about it when something new catches people, like Venom or whatever. It feels so idiotic and forzed I just can't talk about it anymore

>>93727887
Also forgot to mention the thing that bugs me the most about this dumbass movie, the sony vaio gets literally more screentime than Spiderman in costume.

>>93727470
>I think the biggest problem with Spidey on film is that he's not a great character for film. The Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon was so fantastic because of the time it could devote to his personal and superhero lives, and the struggles and conflicts of both. In a 2 hour movie, it's a lot harder to try to cram everything in.
This is what I've always believed.

Though I get why it'd never happen, a part of me wishes Peter had gone to Netflix.
Although I don't know how they'd have pulled off the web-slinging then.

>>93728263
At least we'll always have Spectacular.

Which will never be finished.

>>93728129
We did get it mentioned though, Ned questions why Peter hasn't told May he's Spider-Man yet and he says he doesn't want to stress her out given everything that she's been through recently. Anyone who cares at all about Spider-Man and Peter Parker knows what he's talking about.

>>93728290
I had this conversation with a friend when I bought up the Netflix idea and he pointed out the budgetary issues with the webslinging.
>Well they could just make it animated the-Wait, I'm talking about Spectacular Spider-man.

>>93727887

>poor script
Define poor. That's subjective.

>extremely messy tone
"messy" is subjective.

>long drawn out scenes with peter doing nothing interesting
Such as? Also, "interesting" is subjective.

>visually terrible
Subjective.

>How anyone can defend this pile of shit I have no idea.

Because that's your shit. People can enjoy what you don't. Anon >>93727207 is right.

>>93728299
>Anyone who cares at all about Spider-Man and Peter Parker knows what he's talking about.
And what about audiences that don't?

>>93727948
"The one just before this new thing is cool now, it didn't deserved the hate".
Yeah. But I feel Homecoming is worse than Amazing, wich was worse than S3.

>>93721642

Isn't that the question of the day

>>93721642
Marvel did this one so shills are shilling it hard

>>93728373
Anyone with an inch of deductive reasoning in them can figure out that that's probably related to Peter not having a father figure, if not knowing the exact details.

>>93728373
I guess they'll just have to ask their friends? It's not like the death of Uncle Ben has been retold so many times that even the most casual of casuals know who he was. That's like asking why Batman was raised by his British butler

>>93728343
It really was the perfect Spider-Man series.

>>93728345
Your post subjectively is of such poor quality that I don't need to form a real counter argument.

>>93728478
You'd be surprised.

>>93727860
The fact that most of the school are darkies triggered me the mist. Peter is from Queen's which is still mostly white

>>93728127
>Or people tired of whining from people over shit that happened before they were born

You're one of those guys who whine about cities taking down "slave master avenue" statues too, aren't you?

Everything happens out of nowehre in TASM2. Sometimes it doesn't even makes sense. Harry randomly puts on the suit of the goblin because he magically knows it's the right one to use, and it magically makes him stable (the door randomly opening for him while he crawls there is just the icing in the cake of hilariousness). Or how Gwen knows exactly how to operate that electric grid when that's a whole different ground of work from what she does. Why is Oscorp on the electricity business if they make biological investigation? Why can anyone find a supposedly secret gate on Google, where there's a perfectly functional video of Peter's father explaining everything? Why he didn't send this video to the FBI or anybody instead of letting them harass May and Ben like she said? See there's so much shit that comes out of nowhere in that movie that it's impossible to take it seriously. In Homecoming, the only thing I saw that was like that, was how Ganke was suddenly a tech expert. That was it. Everything else made sense.

>>93727335
Because Sony was talking about making spinoff movies that breached from the mainline Amazing series. Grace you been living under a rock? They're still doing it, they're producing a Venom movie that may or may not be tied to the MCU, not even they fucking know

>>93728129
>put passing mention or a visual clue will ground the idea in the film itself.

We need to get away from these hero movies having to rehash the same frigging plot points every three movies. We all know who Spiderman is and we all know he had an uncle Ben who ate it. Let's just get to the rest of the story already, ok?

We don't need to see a CGI spider bite some kid every time the kid changes.

>>93721682
True but they were still, you know, actual films with a competent director instead of a Sony check list like the ASM films. Homecoming is just another Marvel product.

>>93728624
>In Homecoming, the only thing I saw that was like that, was how Ganke was suddenly a tech expert. That was it. Everything else made sense.

He was Ned Leeds, and he was a nerd like Peter. He happened to have the talent to follow up on his "man in the chair" fantasy.

>>93728431
underrated

>>93721642
Marvel Studios branding

>>93728606
History is history faggot and should be respected regardless of who takes offense. If you didn't suffer from it then you have no right to whine about

>>93726727
>ideas aren't good or bad
wrong
Calexit is not equal in concept to Animal Man seeing his writer.

Notveven in concept, you hear?

>>93721836
kek
>>93721932
Yeah Michelle is going to be a total cunt when she goes to college. At least Peter will meet Gwen or Mary Jane by then

>>93727445
Peter's always been confident though. I hated the hipster shit, but I liked his progression from slighlty awkward and antisocial in ASM1 to chad in ASM2

>>93721985
>How does parker develop powers after being bitten by a radioactive spider

Its a comic based movie, give it a little leeway dude