>there are people who actually believe WONDER WOMAN can stand

People still harass Busiek on twitter about that Thor fight too

>>93681080
I wonder if superfags like you even realize the irony of you calling others fanboys

Never before have I witnessed a more insecure and defensive fanbase than superfags

>>93681111

t. Gal Gadot

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>>93681080

Captain Marvel can legit fuck Superman up. That point is made all the time, as Superman lacks any defense towards magic and Captain Marvel is pure magic.

Wondy and Goku both would get rocked by him, though.

>>93681080
>Low quality bait.

You are not a true Superman fan. Just a faggot pretendig to light a fire. Anyways heat vison is Superman most powerful weapon. Anyone in Dc universe know that.

>>93681080
Power level faggotry is cancer

Why do you care?

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>>93681080
We have this thread every day my guy

Being this strong only be getting the energy of a small solar pannel is bullshit though.

>>93681097
It's hilarious because he's right though. Wonder Woman is magic; she was brought to life from clay from most continuities. Captain Marvel is also magic because of his power from the Wizard. But when they hit Superman he doesn't explode.

People thinking Superman can be felled by anything magic is like how Quesada thought "It's magic, we don't have to explain it!" for OMD.

>>93681080
Well of course nothing can beat him. He's such a mary sue the writers have him immune to the only thing that can harm him.

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>implying Superman could defeat Kirby

>>93681918
Can Captain Marvel move at the speed of light?

>>93681080
Question, If superman could kill so many Doomdays with only his laser vision why did he "died" the first time he fought only one?

>>93681080
What if one of them had Kryptonite?

>>93682905
These were weaker clone versions made by Darkseid.

>>93681080
>there are people who actually believe SUPERMAN can stand up against Superman

>>93682193
Superman isn´t weak against magic, he is just afected by it like anybody else since magic can "pierce" through his invulnerability. He just doesn´t feel pain that often compared to other heroes so when magic hurt him he is more affected.

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>>93682637
Yes, he's faster than Supes in a lot of stories.

nice thread but I'm pretty sure batman can beat superman

The narrative we have today is that Wonder Woman can stand against Superman because of her skill in combat. The problem is that if we objectively look at the level of power Superman possesses, there's no reason he couldn't destroy her every time. Superman is actually one of the most intelligent beings on the planet, a fact some writers forget or like to ignore. If Superman fought serious, using his powers in a competent manner, then yea, he shouldn't lose to her. He only loses because the writer wants Wonder Woman to win, for whatever reason they desire.

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>>93683010
nice shot Roland

>>93683090
>If Superman fought serious
If he fought serious, he'd tear continents apart with his punches, and turn Wondy into a pile of ashes before she could even see his heat vision coming, or just overhand throw her into the stun.

>>93681080
the edgy post of the day

>>93683959
I mean Wonder Woman can technically go "Super Saiyan" still, unless absolutely nothing from Azz's run is carrying over.
So she could hang with Supes for a while if he went all in, but the Earth couldn't.

>>93681080
Why are hypothetical power level arguments in super hero comics always so autistic

>>93681080
Goku could erase a planet from existence with a fucking fart. Not to mention being able to move faster than light, and being actually trained in fighting.

Superman's power is indeed bloated to hell, but he'd never be able to touch goku to fight him, and effectively be permanently pinned down with ki blasts until he gave in.

Sorry superfags, but even though goku could never physicallty harm superman, he'd still beat him. And honestly, superman probably couldn't hurt goku even if he did hit him.

>>93684206
Didn't Goku get taken out by a piss baby blaster shot?

Can't Superman move faster than the speed of light, generating infinite mass?

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>>93684206
Jesus christ, the level of delusion these weeaboos have.

>>93684206

You obviously don't read comic books with Superman in it or else you'd know that Superman was trained in combat.

>>93684274
>im a dumb fish who cant help bit take all the bait I see.

>>93683959
she did pretty good against him when max lord took over his mind

>>93681080
>SHAZAM
stopped reading there

I admit, this is totally off topic, but i don't want to start a new thread. Did Wonder Woman have her own 90s replacement event like Doomsday or Knightfall?

>>93684774
Yeah, artemis replaced her for a while.

>>93681080
they're fictional characters if the writer says x can beat y then that's what's going to happen

>>93682193
The issue is Superman is also weak to Lightning yet Thor never seems to MIGHTY SPARK the fucker.

>>93681080

Goku and Wonder Woman would lose, but Shazam would crush Superman without heaps of plot armor. Same goes for Black Adam. They're not just using magic, everything about them is magic. That's one of Supes' biggest weaknesses, even if you want to be an autistic dunce and pretend it doesn't exist.

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>>93681080

>There are people who actually like Superman because of power levels instead of because of who he is.

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>>93681111
>Never before have I witnessed a more insecure and defensive fanbase than superfags
What about batfags?

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>>93681080
What about this guy?

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>>93682994

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Goku can literally move through stopped time, and teleport you anywhere instantly.

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>>93686160
Get this gay shit out of /co/

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>>93686202
admit it, this looks cool

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>>93681080
>just accept the truth.

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There is one non-cosmic character that can beat the shit out of Superman. And that's J'onn J'onzz.

In a knock-down, drag-out fight, J'onn would destroy Superman. His durability is much greater than Superman with his control of his molecular structure, he's just as strong, just as fast, and smarter (not that Superman is dumb). On top of that, he can go intangible, which Superman has no way of dealing with, and could just turn Martian Manhunter's brains into scrambled eggs to wrap up the fight in a couple seconds. If Supes couldn't resist Maxwell Lord, there's no way he could resist a bloodlusted Martian Manhunter's telepathy. MM, when not pushing himself, was able to invade the mind of The Spectre. He mind-raped the wrath of God with a big G.

Now of course, this would all depend on Superman's Source protection and whether he would be allowed to die, but assuming that both characters are able to die, J'onn *would* kill Clark if he tried. This is, of course, speaking of the most popular versions of the characters, which is the Post-Crisis, Pre-New 52 versions.

And before anyone brings up J'onn's weakness to fire, it's been stated time and time again that it is psychosomatic, not an actual weakness. Superman's heat vision is heat based, not fire based, and it's specified this psychosomatic fear is of fire specifically, not heat. Furthermore, after Fernus and all those shenanigans, this weakness isn't an issue for J'onn any more. He specifically told Superman it's not a problem for him any more.

Hell, even Superman said J'onn is the strongest individual on Earth and he is openly afraid of fighting him. Pic related.

So yeah, Superman would die to Martian mindrape.

>>93686659
Step things around J'onn on fire with heat vision and watch as J'onn have an anxiety attack.

>>93686712

Did you even read what I wrote? That weakness doesn't affect J'onn any more. At least, it hasn't since Fernus which was a long time ago. It's only been an issue when the writers write ridiculous plot-induced stupidity or forget about previous character development for J'onn. Without plot induced stupidity, simply from his power set and what we know he's capable of, J'onn destroys Superman.

Furthermore, how's Supes gonna even do that when J'onn can just go intangible and mindrape him in a fraction of a microsecond?

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>>93686796
>it hasn't since Fernus which was a long time ago.
No longer canon.

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>>93684550
With Muhammad Ali on a hyperbolic time chamber no less.

>>93686659
Is anyone in comics legitimately afraid of J'obb J'obbz?

>>93686831

What are you talking about? Of course it is. Or are you talking about Flashpoint, and once again showing you didn't read what I wrote when I said "Post Crisis, Pre-New 52" versions of the characters? Since, you know, they are the most well-known versions of the characters.

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>>93686340

>>93686884

>implying every character in comics doesn't job 24/7
>implying Superman doesn't job all the time

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>>93681080
you know, anon? it's people like you the ones that give superman a bad name.

superman gets his power from the sun right? but can he survive being kamehameha'd INTO the sun?

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>>93686796

Yes anon you are correct. Now watch as I simply alter thei........ AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

>>93686899
So you are cherry picking versions of J'onn instead of using current vision? Guess we can just use Superboy-Prime or Sliver Age Superman since you approve it.

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>>93686659

>>93686235
and i think the guy that edited this got the whole point.
it's not about not liking "fabulous" or straight-up gay characters, it's about shoehorning such things (or many, many others) into established ones.
you want an open-minded gay/bi/trans character? go nuts, and make one hell of a character with a fucking good story.

>>93684252
goku can instantly teleport anywhere including anyONE and is made stronger by every beatdown so let's say supes gets a lucky shot in first round and beats him nearly to death. sensei bean that shit and goku is now stronger than ever. repeat as many times as it takes to eventually decimate supes. goku can knock away laser blasts too so good luck with your eye laser pussy shit

>>93686975


Can you not read or are you literally just stupid? I said, the most popular/well-known versions of the characters, which is pretty much agreed to be Post-Crisis. Are you seriously going to sit there and pretend that the current versions are more popular than the post-crisis versions we had before Flashpoint? Because if you are, you're wrong. There's a reason they brought Pre-Flashpoint characters back in Rebirth.

And Superboy Prime isn't even the same character, you retard.

>>93686940

Yes. Easily.

>there are people who actually make these kind of threads

>>93687061
cite your sources if any please

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>>93687047
>And Superboy Prime isn't even the same character
And neither is Post-Flashpoint J'onn and Pre-Flashpoint J'onn. But here you are claiming they are the same despite their different personality.

>>93687062
the sky is also blue. you should get out more

>>93681080
Oh yeah? Can he beat my oc character Mr. Stronger than Superman?

Here's his Super power:
- Whenever he is in a fight with Superman, Superman loses.

>>93687077
He literally went into the sun this one time and came out as Superman Super Kryptonian level 2.

>>93687129
Oh yeah buster? Well supes will just call Batman to kick your guys ass. Top that, lard gargler.

>>93681824
I hate anime

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>all these faggots thinking that they can defeat Superman.

>>93683090
WW should't even be near Supermans power range and more in Aquamans league.

>>93687151
okay okay so it's gotta be a really overcast day and there's a shipment of fresh kryptonite straight from wherever the fuck. goku isn't smart enough to plan out something like a kryptonite attack but if they stumble across some during the fight....instant teleport kryptonite death spear. but naturally this will go against goku's no kill standard but it seems like the only way to do it.

supes has the upper hand just through not having any readily available weakness other than through super convenient plot driven means. but i'd say if this was a prepared battle then it's definitely more 5-5 than some might think

>>93687263
agreed but it would be hilarious to see some SJW movie where wonder woman gets the upper hand. fucking hysterical i tell you

>>93687333
The general audience already thinks Superman is one of the weakest in JL, no one but /co/ would bat an eye if that would happen

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Ocean Master with his trident would fuck them all up.

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>>93687263
so what group of animals would she exclusively be able to talk to as an added stupid, useless power to be in Aquaman's League?

>>93681080
>pull out green rock
Done. Next.

>>93687432
To cheetah's

>>93686940
t. someone who's never read All-Star Supernan

>>93684206

Goku can't breath in space, and Superman also has a bullshit power-gain mechanic in yellow sun cell saturation.

>>93686659

All Supes needs is a box of Oreos and he's got J'onn taken care of

>>93686340
Best answer.

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>>93687432
Cheetah is faster and more agile than the Flash, stronger and more durable than Superman, smarter and more strategic than Batman, more cardboard of personality and imagination than Hal, more token character than Cyborg, sexier than Aquaman and Wonder Woman defeats her every time.

>>93687513
>Goku can't breath in space
He can with God Ki active.

>>93687407
modern JL?

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>>93687524
Well Superman fucked her

>>93686796
Even Mister Mxyzptlk, a super-dimensional being, had trouble handling Superman with mental attacks. You're out of your mind.

>>93687410
What's the difference between Ocean master's and Aquaman's tridents? I always thought Aquaman's was just an upgraded version of it.

>>93687524
>more cardboard of personality and imagination than Hal
lost
Next level post, anon.

Where the fuck did Superwank even start? Even his own stories don't portray him as a god. Half his villains are stronger than him.

>>93687524
true that. cheetah gets no love

>>93681080
Shazam can beat Superman and has before, but then DC would get Super butthurt, and their lawyers would sue him out of popularity :^)

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>>93681080
>*blocks your path*

>>93687546
Still only a matter of time until Supes beats Goku down enough to where he can't maintain God Ki and has to get back to Earth or die in space. Which Superman wouldn't let Goku die in space anyways so he'd end up bringing Goku back home, Goku would be like "Oh you're not such a bad guy after all!" and they'd make up and not fight anymore until Goku gets into Bat-mite like shenanigans with Superman and constantly bugging the hell out of him to spar while Superman's just trying to fight Toyman or Brainiac or something. Bonus points if Goku is fooled by the Clark Kent disguise when he sees it but still spends half the comic searching for Supes at the Daily Planet because he can sense his ki nearby [/spoiler[

>>93687546
true
>>93687513
superman gets dropped into a volcano. what happens?

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>>93687719
somebody write this right meow!

>>93687719
So basically Superman with a monkey on his back.

>>93687735
This might be a trick to reveal how casual I am but I will take the bait. First off, Superman can fly so if he's conscious you're not exactly dropping him into a volcano. Secondly, I'm pretty sure the surface of the sun is hotter than magma so I see no reason why he wouldn't survive the magma if he survived the sun perfectly fine. Especially since you don't have to worry about the oversaturation of yellow sun cells that caused everyone to think he was dying in All-Star in the first place.

>>93687809
Okay, you saw through that ruse. But what if we crush Superman between a sun of lava and a sun of ice?

>>93687849
now we're talking

>>93681111
>digimon
>jojo
>super sentai
>ultraman
>hunter x hunter

Granted, those are more on the weeb side of things.

>>93687849
How does that even work? A sun is like the product of hydrogen atoms vibrating so rapidly they duplicate and make some sort of weird fission reaction that generates a shitton of heat. A regular sun isn't even technically lava, it's superheated gasses and shit.

I mean you could crush Superman between like... a comet and a planet, that would simulate the effect, but I'm not sure you'd actually hurt the guy

>>93687938
If there was a being that could make a sun of ice Superman is fucked. Because God only knows what else he could do.

You failed the test. Go to the back of the class.

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>>93681080
How about this guy?

>>93687938
>sun of ice
>How does that even work?
a mass of absolute zero frozen stuff condensed to the size of the sun?

>>93687938
superman accidentally kills.......krillin! now we have motivation to not hold back but still need a kryptonite dagger or something. which is retarded af i know the idea of goku with a dagger is just not right. but given the perfectly implausible circumstances, goku could get the job done.

>>93687809
Fun fact, lighting is hotter that the surface of the sun.

>>93681097
1- That was part of the DC contract that Supes HAD to win.

2- Afterword Thor says "I have his measure now" & he knows he can go full Thunder God lightning cosmic ass pulls on Supes which he'd probably win.

>>93688027
>>93688051

First off, there IS a being that could make a 'sun' of ice, that would be Mr Mxzyptlk. Only because he can defy the laws of physics and do crazy shit like that.

Second, by definition a sun is just another name for a star, which is itself just a collection of plasma and fission. You could create a celestial body composed of elements that constitute a 'mass of absolute zero frozen stuff condensed to the size of the sun' but it will never be a star by definition. Without reality warper shenanigans, that is.

>>93688153
>Without reality warper shenanigans, that is.
And now you know why you failed the test. Keep justifying your lack of imagination anon. But it's there for all to see.

>>93688027
If he failed the test, he needs to be at the front of the class where he can better pay attention to lessons and the teacher can monitor his progress better

>>93688089
....That is amazing but I didn't know that. Thank you anon, for pointing that out.

However Superman has lived at the center of the sun which is like 14 million Kelvin instead of the 5800 Kelvin that's the surface of the sun so he can still withstand insanely high temperatures far above that of magma.

>It's another, "/co/ falls for /sci/ trolling," episode.
Never thought I'd see the day.

>>93688185
Oh come now, everyone knows when you bring reality warping into the mix all the rules go out the window. At that point you may as well say that fucking G'nort or Jimmy Olsen could beat Superman in a straight up fight.

>>93688251
>Superman.
>Not a mild reality warper.
Have you seen some of the stupid shit he's pulled? "Punching the Barrier of Reality." I mean, the fuck?

>>93688267
I have not, actually, the most of Superman I've read is like, All-Star, the stuff he's done in Kirby's Fourth World, and a few other minis and Elseworlds. I'd like to get more into DC in general though. Just got around to reading Sandman last night and that was quite a story, trying to figure out what I want to tackle next and shitposting in the meantime.

>>93688319
Yeah, some of the shit Superman has pulled was straight up reality bending. Like the thought machine for one. Then there's the bullshit with Superman 1,000,000 or whatever where he makes his own universe.

>>93688347
To be fair, (And I neglected to list it but I did read DC 1,000,000) he had been in the center of the sun for a miliion years at that point which is as good an excuse as any for the writers to do some bullshit with him. I mean...if he can crush diamonds out of fucking dirt in his normal state which normally takes like thousands of years and probably a chemical reaction or two....

How much of the rest are you taking from Silver Age though? Because Silver Age Clark had some seriously ridiculous powers

>>93688410
Yeah, but it's folly to ignore Silver Age shit. Because that just represents an establish potential for the character.

Unless someone straight up comes out and says, "That's not happening again," there's a pretty goo chance it'll happen again.

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fuck Goku Jiren is the new Hotness

>>93688439
In some cases, but wasn't part of the reason we had a CoIE in the first place because Superman had suffered from too much power bloat as well as a reason to give new fans a jumping on point because pre-Crisis lore was all over the place and hard to follow? Not that they didn't do the same thing post-Crisis, mind you.

>>93687561
sauce?

>>93681080

superman can't even beat a dude who dresses up in a bat costume

see injustice, scrub

>>93688251
you don't talk shit about Jimmy Olsen.

>>93681080
Lobo 3
Sups 0
Tie 2

Try to make this up, Spandex.
(protip: you cant xD)

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>>93688647
Forgot pic

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>>93688647
Quinn: 1
Lobo: 0

Nobo:1
Lobo: 0

Batman: made Lobo his bitch
Lobo: is Batman's bitch

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>>93688710
>Quinn: 1
>Lobo: 0
Injustice. Pathetic
>Nobo:1
>Lobo: 0
Prime Earth Lobo =/= Bastich Lobo
Also: We never saw a fight
>Batman: made Lobo his bitch
>Lobo: is Batman's bitch
Lobo (the real `Bo) stands to his word.


Logic 1
Sups 0

i bet youre a mexican. mexicans loooove sups.

>>93688760
Fuckin section 8: 1
Lobo: 0

>>93688849
superhombre, yes

superman, no

>>93688879
I don´t know what that means.

>>93688907
Casual detected...Section 8 is only the best team in comics today.

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Current goku has a bunch of feats that put him over Superman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqAyh3ASXoc

>>93683026
Man Justice was such a mixed bag

>>93681080
Goku is above universal. Please stop trying to trigger people, faggot.

>>93688907
Lobo got puked by section 8 and tommy. Had a dog welded to his ass and married Bueno excelente

>>93689275
This

Goku in Super is pushing donkey kong numbers that Superman in his current form can't reach, not to mention he is a much better fighter

>>93681080
All three of those characters can fuck Superman up. Look I like Superman but he's not fucking invincible.

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>>93681080
>mfw power levels threads
>mfw who could beat who threads
>mfw weak bait weeb trash threads

>>93687513
>All Supes needs is a box of Oreos and he's got J'onn taken care of
J'onn mindraped the addiction out of himself in the very same story that brought it up as a real addiction in the first place. Though I suppose that's been retconned.

>>93687719
Could Supes last 30 second against Beerus?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV3xB-bxD1k

>>93689461
Anon pls. Even if he somehow can't, let's not forget that Superman has an actual group of people that can fight with him instead of a group of glorified groupies. Which, I'm sorry, is basically what Goku's supporting cast is at this point.

>>93681080
Killer Frost beat Superman multiple times.

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>>93681080
Shazam could whoop Supes ass. They make him job because of Superman wank. Before he would usually beat Supes or end up in a draw with him. IT was only recently that they made Billy shittier to make Superman look better.

>>93681080
Any scenario where Clark melts Bruce's skull in a blink of an eye, just to trigger bat-superiority fags, warms my heart.

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Come and try.

>>93689593
I wonder if Pressure points work on people with super human durability. I mean Superman can feel so I'm guessing it might.

>>93686340

Saitama. Without question. Saitama can beat Superman. Forget Goku Vs. Superman, that's old hat.

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>>93681918
Convergence says hey.

>>93689533
Vegeta is in theory stronger than Goku. He just jobs all the time.

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>>93689367
>mfw u luv it

>>93689625
Hokuto Shinken failed to work on a fat guy. No way it can beat real deal invulnerability.
Face it, Kenshiro might be a big fish in his neck of the woods, but he's never net a shark.

>>93689625
The problem with Kenshiro is that his powers are based on human anatomy. He only beat Souther/Thouzer because he had a convenient epiphany, before that even fucking Raoh was afraid to go against the guy and that was just a simple pressure point reversal.Clark's got Kryptonian anatomy to defend against Kenshiro, unfortunately.

>>93689625
Anon, It worked against a tank and a volcano.
A TANK AND A VOLCANO WERE PUNCHED IN THEIR BLOOD PRESSURE POINTS.

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>>93689694
Yeah if he can find pressure points on non-human objects why not Superman?

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Supooman ain't shit.

It looks like you faggots are coping.

Didn't you hear me? STOP COPING

>>93689694
...did that happen in the manga? I don't remember either of those and I only read the manga

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>>93689694
It's called a breaking point, normie.

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>>93689103
Goku also has a new form coming in the ToP

>>93689772
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_ZeD40Rg8A

>>93689837
so let me get this straight. if i'm correct here then what you're trying to say is that........this isn't even his final form?

>>93690078
I think you will find each form of his even more final than the last, yes.

>>93690270
well this was unexpected

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How about someone that can make all the energy in each puch he recives plus his own strength back to his enemy.