>If she isn't in a relationship with Peter, Mary Jane

>>93662775
I thought she was dating iron-man. It would be funny thing to see.

Mary Jane is a shitty character who is only kept alive by waifufags.

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>>93662811
>Nice GF peter. way hotter than your aunt.

She COULD be interesting to read about outside of Peter; Michilenie and Straczynski proved as much.

The problem is you would have to justify it since we can't have a Patsy Walker style book these days. Marvel's freelance writers either can't or don't want to write MJ, much less write her well.

>>93662775
I thought that Gwen Stacy is the only gf of Spider Man.

>>93662811
Do not even joke about it.

Some backlash happened when Marvel announced that MJ would be a regular character in a Tony book. People assumed that they would be dating and freaked out. She would be pretty shallow and hypocrite, since she isn't with Peter because she doesn't want to be with superheroes (supposedly).

They just included her to make the book sell though.

>>93662775
Once she get some superpower of her own she can be important.

>>93662850
She sucked under most writers, yes. But these days that doesn't mean much, as the majority of Marvel character appearances are plagued by shitty writing. Peter's main book has been dreadful for around a decade now. The core of MJ's character is pretty interesting, but it's never going to be delivered well because she's attached to Spider-Man

>>93662940
>implying a hot female recurring character in Iron Man's book doesnt always end up with Iron Man fucking the said character.

>>93662940
>They just included her to make the book sell though.
No, they didn't. Bendis included her because nobody else was going to use her.

>>93662931
Doesn't Gwen Stacy die all the time? MJ is his rebound gf

>>93663114
Well, this time it didn't. And people would be pissed as fuck if it had happened.

>>93663000
>The core of MJ's character is pretty interesting
And what's that?

>>93662940
So why is it so wrong for her to date other people? I think this was just the Peterfags being the autists they usually are.

It can as easilly be explained as saying she isn't with Peter because he can't put his life together as both hero and regular guy while Tony can.

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>>93662775
>>93662811

>>93663154
Dead gf is one of the mundane trouble things that make Spiderman so interesting.
Getting a new gf after the Gwen's death is like finding a good well payed job instead of freelancing for Daily Bugle.

>>93662775
she is a secondary character of spiderman, what do you expect will happen when you take her out of a spiderman comic?

>>93663233
>mask eyebrows
taking the Civil War synergy to a new level I see

>>93663193
But she dates other people. Every once in a while she appears in a Spider-book with a random guy.

It still would be pretty shit if she started to hook up with a superhero.

I mean, technically, she's a supermodel that lived in Avengers tower for a while - it's not totally silly for her to show up in a cameo appearance here or there, as she's in-universe recognizable.

But as a regular supporting character in another character's book? Not really, unless it was like, a Dazzler book. (Although maybe that'd be cool)

>>93663174
An outwardly opposite female analogue to Peter.

She projects the image of a socialite, but she isolates herself emotionally from other people due to feelings of complex guilt/self-loathing over her childhood and her judgmental nature. She shows signs of depression despite having a lot of things going for her, and she talks bluntly to mask her fragility, but her charisma and general selflessness in some areas makes her endearing. This stuff comes mostly from post-Stan content, a lot of it Michilenie, but also DeMatteis and JMS.

She'd make a good protagonist for a romantic drama or a slice of life series in the same way Peter makes a good superhero.

>>93662857
>Rich and MJ Nova duo comic
It wouldn't last but I would buy it.

>>93663576
>She'd make a good protagonist for a romantic drama or a slice of life series
Maybe, if you're into that sort of thing. Even though those genres already abound with those kinds of characters.

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>>93663282
Hey, those mask eyebrows were fucking cool.

>>93663648
That kind of character was oversaturated in Marvel pre-"Everyone is Roman Reigns" era, too.

People like byronic heroes.

>>93662775
Has someone call her out on her hypocrisy? Peter should.

>>93663721
I think you, like most of her fans, are overestimating how many people actually like Mary Jane.

>>93663193
>Tony can.

Tony cant even handle a bottle of whisky.

>>93663312
Why? She doesn't own anything to Peter. Not because a person leaves you for something, it means she has to avoid the issue forever. Some people make it work, some don't. Peter is one of those who don't.

>Tony dating MJ

That's actually not a terrible idea. Makes sense to me. But isn't Tony comotaose/a hologram right now?

>>93663154
She's not rebound since Peter didn't go with her right away after Gwen died.

Hell they got together after the first Gwen clone left and it was because Peter realized that while he would always cherish Gwen that he had gotten over Gwen and that he was in love with MJ.

All the nostalgiafags ignore this for cheap "Gwen is muh true love" drama, Peter has many women who throw themselves and he has had many relationships after not to mention his most lasting and strongest was with MJ.

Why would he linger with on Gwen?

>>93662940
Doesn't help that Slott suggest Tony and MJ were fucking in the crossover he wrote.

>>93663757
>I think you, like most of her fans, are overestimating how many people actually like Mary Jane.
...huh?

I didn't say people like Mary Jane. I said Byronic Heroes are common in almost every genre because people love that archetype. I think that her core is solid, but I have no belief that she was handled well or that people like her for her personality.

>>93663806
Well for starters MJ wasn't interested in him.

>>93663152
And then Bendis did nothing with her.

>>93663853
You act like Bendis does anything with anyone.

>>93663834
I think that was Peter's insecurity, he was also upset about Tony mentoring Miles.

Doesn't mean Tony was fucking Miles now does it?

>>93663853
What CAN you do with MJ?

>>93663576
>She'd make a good protagonist for a romantic drama or a slice of life series in the same way Peter makes a good superhero.

She did when they did in the Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane series and it's sequel.

>>93663877
Years ago I asked the same shit with Flash when I heard about Agent Venom and that turned out to be a pleasant surprise.

You can do a lot of interesting things with MJ provided the person who does it is creative and a good writer.

>>93663902
I didn't mention it because it wasn't great, just pretty good. It could have played to the character's strengths a bit better, and the pencils could have used some work.

>>93663877
Ask David Michelinie or JMS. They had zero issues doing interesting things with MJ.

Still better than Gwen Stacy.

>>93663872
Sure it does.

Slott clearly couldn't even be bothered to read Bendis book. In Bendis' book MJ was working for Tony begrudgingly. In Slott's she was ready to suck his dick and kept talking about how amazing Tony was around Peter.

Slott will take any and all opportunities to shit on MJ. She is after all, in Slott's mind, "anti-Marvel".

>>93662775
MJ would be a better character if she finally got Venom and the pair of them fought as superheroes together.

People have wanted MJ to have Venom for years. Considering both of them love Peter.

Otherwise, she is rather a silly character. A professional redheaded model with no reason to exist other then to look pretty on the arm of whoever she is dating.

She isn't even as useful to a plot as Lois Lane is.

>>93664034
Go read Renew Your Vows. Where the fuck have you been? Everything you suggest is happening in that book right now.

>>93663800
>Not because a person leaves you for something, it means she has to avoid the issue forever.
Of course it is.

If my girl leaves me because "I don't like bald guys", and then starts dating a bald guy, I would be pissed as fuck and she would be a hypocrite.

If she doesn't want to be with Peter because he could get killed due to his life as a hero, she shouldn't date a superhero that has a mercenary on his back at any given moment. It doesn't help that Tony "died" a little after she became a regular in his book.

>>93663877
Pretty much the same as any character.
Everyone can be utilized, it's just their personality that makes a difference. See
>>93663926

>>93663983
I think Straczynski is too much about the relationship to do her solo. Maybe Mich or DeMatteis. Hell, maybe even Mackie.

>>93664049
Not reading comic books.

>>93664147
Considering
>Otherwise, she is rather a silly character. A professional redheaded model with no reason to exist other then to look pretty on the arm of whoever she is dating.
I think we could already tell, m8.

>>93664165
The guy is not entirely wrong. 616 MJ is pretty much it.

Ultimate MJ was also kinda awful. Even the readers got tired of her. Peter/Kitty became a much more loved ship.

>>93664065
That girl could've started liking bald guys in the time after leaving or maybe another person made her change her opinion about it. It doesn't mean she has to run back to you like she belongs to you. You can get mad and call her whatever you want, doesn't mean she did anything wrong.

Same with MJ, just because she didn't like the way Peter handled superheroics, doesn't mean she has to avoid superheroes forever. She can easily start seeing it in a different way or find another person for whom she's willingly to risk it. She isn't a trophy that was taken away on a technicallity.

>>93664230
>or find another person for whom she's willingly to risk it.
And that person is Tony Stark, of all people? MJ is willing to do for Stark what she isn't for Peter?

>>93664218
Under a lot of shitty writers, yes, she was.
But to pretend that's the extent of her character is like saying Clark Kent is a boring OP self-righteous asshole who just punches things. Sure, that's correct for a fuckload of writers' interpretations for the last 30 years, but that's not the full scope of the character.

Hm. I might actually have to find the comics of MJ and Venom. Does she actually keep it?

This does look fucking sexy as hell. And MJ and Venom have been something that fans and porn artists have wanted for years.

And them actually being in a relationship as Spiderman and Venom duo would be a joy to read.

>>93664281
Well there's a story to develop right there, isn't there? Now it only need to find a capable writer and a good artist.

Disclaimer: I never ever said Bendis is a good writer so don't even try to go there.

>>93664313
I know it is unfair, but it is how she was during the last ten years since "One More Day". New readers must wonder why MJ is a thing since she has been so awful for so long.

>>93662775
Anyone have a Storytime of her becoming Venom in Renew Your Vows?

>>93662775
She owned a nightclub for a while so she could potentially show up in various books as a guest appearance when those books use her club as a setting
Teen teams, street level books, none of those would be too out of place in a nightclub

I think she's friends with Millie the Model, Patsy Walker and Janet van Dyne you could probably make a Wasp book that uses the fashion industry as a backdrop.

>>93664147
>>93664218
God you guys are showing your casualness.

>>93662775
Mary Jane /could/ have a purpose to exist outside of dating Peter. The issue is that Slott completely cast her out (probably due to some bias against the character) instead of allowing her to grow in a way that isn't just, "I'm with this man now," etc. Bendis is a bad writer, so handing MJ over to him sealed her fate.

Marvel Comics is a vacuum for meaningful character growth, so the claim you're making can apply to like 90% of characters, supporting or not.

>>93664380
New readers really haven't seen MJ in anything and the ones who picked up Spider-Man comics since the days of OMD already dropped Marvel a long time ago.

Onky battered wife syndrome fans stick around.

>>93663114
Has Iron Man ever fucked Pepper Potts?

>>93662775
They just won't do anything with her. All she does is get passed around other heroes. At least Lois Lane is doing journalist work when she's not with Superman.
At least we have RYV

Shit I'd give MJ her own power set (related to spiders, probably based off of a Widow spider) who eventually fights Peter without Pete knowing who MJ's secret ID is. They bang, then cosmic shit happens for them to get back together, the end.

>>93662775
>characters who aren't superheroes or villains, or immediately involved in the personal lives of superheroes or villains have no reason to appear in a superhero comic book

well, I mean... yeah. I guess in theory you could have a b-plot wherein the post-breakup life of a super's ex is followed as a mundane life drama or something, but narrative space is a thing.

>>93664654
better yet its extremely obvious to Peter and he just sarcastically plays along

>>93664218
>Ultimate MJ was also kinda awful. Even the readers got tired of her. Peter/Kitty became a much more loved ship.

You have literally no idea what the hell you're talking about. Readers fucking loved Peter and MJ together in that and were really upset when they broke up.

>>93664739
Not in the forum where I used the discuss comic books.

>>93664720
YES. That would be perfect!

>>93664592
Only once. It was a 'I'm gonna die soon so might as well do it' kind of sex though. He also boned Maria Hill during that time.

>>93664739
Barely ever saw that reaction, and that was around the time Ultimate Universe was still strong. Everyone hated MJ

>>93664049
Non canon. Also, Current Marvel is shit.

>>93664230
She is hypocritical cunt in that case and deserves to ve called out.

>>93664034
You mean like in the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon where she was Carnage?

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>>93663193
>he can't put his life together as both hero and regular guy while Tony can.

>Tony Stark
>Getting his life together.
Funny joke.

Tony Stark is the absolute worst "Upgrade" she could have possibly made. Even Pepper, with her infinite patience, couldn't deal with Tony's endless stream of bullshit.

Besides, Mephisto's little curse on their souls makes it so that Mary-Jane and Peter will never be truly happy so long as they're apart, since they're canonically soulmates, and their constant lifelong torment at being seperated from each other and never being able to find stable love with anyone else because something will always be "Missing" is what keeps Mephisto amused.

Right now, it is Marvel Universe canon, that Peter Parker and Mary-Jane can never be truly happy unless they're together.
And according to that fat jelly roll Slott, it's a mandate that they can't be married.

Salty writers fighting salty creators have ruined Spider-Man and Mary-Jane for the foreseeable future.

>>93663757
People care for her more than other non costumed love interests.

>>93663877
If you can do things with Gwen, you can do things with MJ.

>>93665415
>People care for her more than other non costumed love interests.
That's not saying much, and honestly non-costumed love interests are boring and are more often than not just a drag.

>>93665236
>it's a mandate that they can't be married.

Man, it really tells you what the company is all about when you read shit like this.

>>93665511
Not really. More often than not, costume/normal couplings are more compelling and consistent than costume/costume ones, which are usually toxic as hell.

>>93665736
They're just boring as fuck to me. Felicia was much more compelling and interesting, in my opinion. And fun. Mary Jane is meh.

>>93662775
>women are things

oh boy grandpa this sure is a productive use of everyone's time

>>93665982
...what?

what was that coffee place back in the 60's-70's they all used to hang out in? maybe she can run that.

>>93665415
>if you can do things with Gwen

Spider-Gwen and all that stuff was gimmicky nonsense.

I honestly don't know why she's even there
what is she a secretary? what happened to that bar or her acting career

>>93665982
cry more progressive twat

>>93662775
They should have had her keep her spider powers from Spider island arc.

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>>93664654
Obviously MJ should have water powers
And then fight with Firestar over Pete