MCU vs DCEU Which one handles mature subject matter more...

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Pick one

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As a fan of both, i prefer DC

Honestly, DC. It might have to do with snyder's autism or the lesser number of films but MCU movies have completely lost all sense of scale after the first Avenger's film.

Sokovia was the opposite of the metropolis battle and everyone being saved and getting to the helicarrier cheapened the entire ordeal.

>>93645039
Mature or not, its all shit

The fuck are you talking about "mature subject matter". It's a bunch of antisocial superpowered fucks in spandex hitting each other, no amount of 9/11 and gun control analogies is going to make it mature.

In regards to your disclaimer, Netflix shows are in the MCU and CW shows are completely separate from the DCEU.

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>>93645039
not even a question

It's a matter of female sterilization and the permanent effect on one's sense of self vs a jar of pee pee.

Marvel has dealt with war, geopolitics, genocide, parental death, espionage, sterility and cconsequences.

DC has Superman killing Zodd, Batman shooting people, Wonder Woman saying men are useless for sex, and the color grey.

Marvel has had a main character admit to having attempted suicide and then found new purpose in trying to help others. DC has had main character mope around in secret for most of his life and only come out of hiding when directly challanged.

>>93645400
Why is it that the Avengers can kill countless Hydra agents and mudslimes but The Defenders try and save the worst villains (with the exception of Purple Man) but Punisher is villified for vivaciously vanquishing villainous vermin?

Why in the MCU does Batman do the very opposite thing he vowed not to do? Why is Superman responsible for the death of another intelligent being? The DC universe is supposed to be much more hopeful than the ever quarrelling Marvel universe. Iron Man kills and kills but he seems so much more heroic than Batman. Not to mention, the Marvel heroes actually attempt to save civilians.

>>93645613
Why in the DCEU*

Didn't Batman threaten to shoot a father in an alley in front of his child?

That's pretty mature.

>>93645039
>mature subject
>CW
gee, good you added no CW rule

Marvel, but I will say Wonder Woman handled war and civilian casualties very maturely.

>>93645769
It's to keep tthis discussion from getting Purple bombed.

>>93645055
>bunch of faceless mooks
>Snyder's color filter
>Snyder raping the DC mythology yet again
I already fucking hate Justice League.

>>93645055
That's a prologue that won't take more than a minute. The same shit with an acient war to protect Earth happened in Thor: The woman of science.For a massive battle remember all those poor Nova corps in Guardians 1.

Which one shot Jimmy Olsen in the face as a joke?

>>93646644
When did that happen?

>>93645400
>MCU
>consequences
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HSoSBle8AQ

>>93646730
If we have a Batman whose willing to kill, why is RiffRaff Joker alive?

>>93646730
The consequences of each film follow up into the next one. New York, Hydra, Sokovia,

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>>93646730
>dceu
>using "consequences' as damage control for your failed super hero deconstruction that nobody asked for

>>93646819
there was no fucking consequences just characters "barely escaping alive", they even made some random nerd at shield death looks like a tragedy, civil war impact was fucking nothing while in the comics it changed everything.

Don't try to imply that MCU got "consequences".

>>93646832
>implying that I'm a DCEU fan
They only got 1 good movie and 3 shit shows, but unlike you I don't pretend that MCU where 50% of the movies are shit as fuck is good either

>>93646869
So Superman's totally dead, right?

>>93646793
Because they don't want to do Red Hood?

>>93646869
If memory serves, didn't the MCU create a trend of copycat studios trying to create their own Cinematic Universes, and failing miserably?

That's a pretty big consequence.

>>93646869
So the actions of one film don't affect it's sequels? You sure about that kiddo?

>>93646961
Yeah that's a payback for marvel copying the concept of comic shared universe of DC, Superhero teams of DC , events of DC and characters from DC.

>>93646730
>implying the DCEU has any consequences either

>sure I killed people but I feel real sorry now
>I died to protect the world so everyone loves me now
>MATHAAAAAAAA

>>93647036
>I died to-
Dead people have to stay dead.

>>93645039
Okay, I'm gonna do this. What exactly does "handle it maturely" mean? If you try to define it, it means "handle it the way an adult ought to handle it". But who decides what way is that? All of these were literally made by adults. Is one to decide some adult behaviour is more valid in adulthood than an other, even though both were carried out by adults? According to whom? By whose standards? What guidebook?

Maturity is a ridiculous non-concept that at best tries to describe its individual society's zeitgeist. Yet as conformism is not a virtue (not saying any capeflick is particularly revolutionary, of course) why ought we pursue it?

Screw maturity.

>>93646991
So it wasn't a desperate cash grab from WB to steal an idea from Disney? It wasn't a paradigm shifting birth of an entirely new genre of film?

It was comic book companies settling a score. Neato.

>>93647079
OK Freud, jesus. Who was able to handle heavy subjects without being edgy.

>>93645400
>I all know about dceu is from internet comments
c'mon fag

>>93645039
None of them, really. Most Marvel movies lack sincerity, they can't take the subject matter seriously, they have to add a joke at the end of everything. It's almost as they don't take their heroes seriously and are apologizing to the audience for them.

Winter Soldier is one of the few exceptions.

On the other hand DCEU's approach is fucking trash, deconstruction and pure misery, without celebrating the characters. It's just Snyder's edgy fanfiction of a teenager of what the DC universe should be.

Wonder Woman is clearly the exception to this for DC.

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>>93646991
>dc created the concept of a shared universe
No they didn't.
Namor met the Human Torch months before the JSA were featured in any comic book page.

>>93646819
No one dies and they keep ignoring major issues like Inhumans,MCU consequences are terrible badly done

>>93647229
I know DCEU movies because I watched them. There's only 4 of them, and there's really not much to them.

>>93647084
Yes, the Avengers were created to piss off DC and their Justice league works.

>>93647255
Yondu is sad you don't remember his sacrifice.

>>93647290
Your comment pretty much shows how you never watched dceu movies, not even wonder woman

>>93647079
>What exactly does "handle it maturely" mean?
It means the Snyderfags can feel like mature adults for liking a children's franchise.

>>93647331
Please explain to me the depth and symbolism of Suicide Squad.

>>93647313
Yeah buuhu Yondu and cpt america fanboy died, so much consequences, oh wait that faggot is alive in agents of shield, how long until Yondu comes back as well?Maybe they will even bring back the quicksilver even though he had near zero character.

>>93646644
Man Snyder really is a fucking asshole. Imagine growing up and bonding with your dad over his old "Superman's pal: Jimmy Olsen" comics and seeing that shit in the theater.

>>93647398
Is Superman gonna stay dead?

>>93645103
>no cinema
It's shit

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>>93647411

>>93645613
with the elektra and punisher daredevil's seemed more like of an annoyance in his own show

>>93645613
>villified for vivaciously vanquishing villainous vermin
Shut up Stan Lee.

>>93647428
No, because the DCEU has no consequences.

>>93647428
Probably not, Zod,Ares and Doomsday will while Loki is still out there even after fucking literally everyone nothing happens to him in long run.

>>93647522
BvS events lead to Justice league, did you even watched the movies?

>>93647574
Didn't Lex and Waller both already have files on all the JL members?

>>93645162
Everyone wasn't saved, which is why Civil War happened

>>93647369
>goverment using desperate unethical actions under the cover to stop giant threats
Explain the meaning of Guardians of Galaxy

>>93646793
I read that as Rifftrak

>>93647602
Assholes in space nutting up and saving the galaxy because no one else can.

>>93647602
Is pretty much : bang bang bing buuuuum, talking racoon cool! Lel references!Old Music lmao!

>>93647528
So Marvel kills off the villain in every movie, which DC also does, but when they spare the most interesting one so that his actions have consequences in future films, suddenly that's unforgivable.

Why didn't Batman kill Lex?

>>93645039
well going by civil war vs batman v super diaper Id say marvel
like they showed the death of tonys parents a few times and so the revelation that winter cutie was the killer made for an understandable reason to cause a fight and brought closure to a characters backstory
"Martha" is a stupid reason that was tacked on just to give them a reason to fight

but MCU has more movies lined up than the new DCU so I might be biased
I prefer the heroes in marvel but its really the villans that bring out the mature content so DC has to win with a much better lineup

both are fine I dont really think theirs much to gain by comparing them cause im going to be watching both but Im enjoying the mcu more

except guardians, scifi is shit and that team of heroes is trash compared to the op fuckers on earth

Dr Strange handled a mature character perfectly, with a hero who is actually realistically HUMAN, sure he has the ol "im rich" super power like iron man and bats but hes a fucking doctor, thats real same with the ego that comes with being "the best" unlike tony "I make weapons and gadgets no other scientists have been capable of somehow" stark or bruce "trained all over the world with the masters of fighting" wayne
and then the loss of his hands and becoming Dr House levels of edgy just worked, then comes the actual super powers but even then he keeps his morality and knows NOT to destroy cities when fighting bad guys from the start not having to lose their idol status in order to realize that shit like both superman and the avengers needed

>>93647724
Suicide Squad: We can do Guardians of the Galaxy too! And make it edgy!

>>93647769
>>Likes dr strange
>>Scifi is shit

THIS Marvelfag is beginning to understand why they don't like us.

>>93647602
Themes of family, loss, redemption and fatherhood.

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Neither. Cinematic universes were a mistake.

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>>93647769
>I prefer the heroes in marvel but its really the villans that bring out the mature content so DC has to win with a much better lineup

CGI Ares, Hill Troll, Spaz Luthor, Lawnmower Man and Zool, Damaged Joker, Retarded "beaten up by scientists" Zod. The only impressive DCEU villain is Faora.

You're nostalgic for pre-DCEU villains.
Admittedly MCU villains haven't gotten better, but the competition has sunk beneath them.

>>93647877
This movie wouldn't have been as good as a standaloje with no background. We loved HughLogan. We loved PatrickXavier. We loved the X-Men. And we mourned for them.

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>>93647929
I don't know...

The last one was a hell of a villain.

>>"But it killed me to put that tumor in her head..."

>>93647780
There's nothing edgy about suicide squad, pure cringe.

>>93647832
strange isnt sci fi, I actually didnt watch strange until like 5 months after it came out because I hated the whole "magic" aspect when marvels been up the ass with "scientifically" explained super heroes, but after watching it I just enjoyed a fresh hero with a good backstory

like the movie was about a hero finding true morality and a reason for being, the powers were almost like an afterthought
to me it wasnt a "super hero" movie but move of a movie with super beings in it

guardians was like fucking memestar wars, I hate it
I watch super hero movies to see people who fight to protect our worlds real people, not cause theyre aliens jerking off in space protecting aliens who realistically wouldnt need fucking weak ass humans or humanoids protecting the "galaxy"

>>93647929
I dunno about "better" but aside from loki and thanos I dont think marvel villans are very iconic, red skull, dark elf, any iron man villans, and that jackoff spidermans going to fight arent even very interesting

Im a huge strange fanboy now but I dont think dormemeu or the black guy are very iconic

I think the mcu is at its peak when the heroes fight eachother, and thats why the selling point in the new thor movie is thor vs hulk

>>93647929
Zod and Ares were fucking great
>"hurr he lost a scientist"
Really?

>>93647984
Nah he was pretty mediocre, Ultron was a step in the right direction but they made him insecure for no reason at all besides wanting to fuck with the villain.

>>93648049
I'm not saying this to disparage you. I'm not saying anything you are saying is meaningless. But you sound like a total summerfag when you say DDormamu and baron Mordo aren't iconic.

>>93648078
Marvelfag here. I liked Zod. Ares was trash thou the. German dude was way better. Or Dr. Poison. Especially Dr. Poison.

>>93648116
>DDormamu and baron Mordo
no one mention them ever, Loki is in some ways iconic but for the wrong reasons(DA teenagers turning him into their husbandu)

>>93648143
>Or Dr. Poison. Especially Dr. Poison.
Why everyone keeps turning her into a waifu?

>>93648115
He was insecure because he was crazy. His flaw was he was unfuckingstable.

I love him to death, but he really wasn't that complex.

Beats OedipusSkynet, doe.

>>93648161
Because the only other nonCatwoman female villains are Poison Ivy, Faora, Viper, and Mystique.

And they ruined Mystique.

>>93648144
>>93648049
I don't think either of you children have a firm grasp on what the word "iconic" means.

>>93648144
We got to see why Loki went kind of mad, Mordo only just turned so we don't even know what he'll do as a villain besides fuck with other sorcerers. Not sure we'll see Dormamu again.

>>93648116
literally who?
like ask around any of the normies that now like super heroes who the black guy in dr strange and the guardians of the galaxy 2 villan were, or even red skull or the evil russian from civil war were

then ask em who the joker, mr freeze, harley, or scarecrow are
dc villans have more namevalue and are actual draws unlike brad pitt with melty powers
unless youre a marvel comic nerd you cant really name marvel villans, but most normies can name off dc villans

thats cause dc just does villans better
mcu DOES have iconic villans, its just that DC has more

>>93645039
>Marvel
>gloss over it and put down a ridiculously low fatality rate and maybe make some quip to make things better for the audiences
>DC
>don't shy away from it and have it bring down the mood and take away from the action

Even though that's just violence, DC and Marvel are going two different routes. Marvel is more easily acceptable and more competently done even though they trivialize most of the darker themes. If DC manages to consistently get their darker tone while staying optimistic in desperate or bleak times, they could overall do it better. I prefer tense moments over laughing at a forced in joke during a fight.

But Marvel has more success so they win. For now.

>>93648184
Ultron is the proof that the reason why MCU got shitty villains is because their villains hate good villains, Ultron was fucking awesome the only good MCU villain and faggots keep bashing him.

Avengers 2 made me hate MCU fandom, is my favorite MCU movie by far but even diehard MCUfans call it "mediocre"

>>93648161
And she's not Amy waifu, she was just entertaining. Her friendship? With General NotANaziYet was really funny and charming, and it was neat to see a scarred villainess whose scars are not her motivation.

NC was right though. She was Michael Crawford.

>>93648257
*their fans hate good villains

>>93648251
Wonder Woman made WW1 look like a reenactment put on on someone's farm.
Aside from casually killing some bad guy mooks, BvS was set in the "this area has also been evacuated/abandoned" universe.

>>93648241
>>Asking normies about comics.

So are you still in high school? Because it's showing.

Mordo and dormamu made it into the movie because A) they are his greatest villains, and B) he really doesn't have any other memorable ones.

I think that though suicide squad could've been much more, it was like at the end of production when WB finally appointed their own Quesada instead of all of their execs having a hand in the pot. iirc WW was at the beginning of production when this happened. Seeing Wonder Woman be as good as it was, I can see that there was quite a bit less executive mettling. I also prefer the sincerity of the DC movies as well, I can't really enjoy Marvel movies anymore because they're like parodies of action movies at this point. With the exit of the Snyders and it seeming like creators can make the movie they want to make I am a bit more hopeful for the future of the DCEU.

>>93648355
exactly my fucking point, he and MANY marvel characters DONT have memorable villans

normies are what make characters memorable, if dc can market shit like cinestro or black manta who normies will likely know the names of, why cant marvel do the same

because they have less iconic villans, im sure they COULD break out better ones, but they might overwhelm the heroes popularity so they dont
maybe thats why spidey is fighting vulture instead of his iconic villans like octo doc or venom

point is DC has more iconic villans who draw even normie audiences in not just the comic nerds who already know whats going to happen
normies arent really going to care who their iconic hero (spider man, black panther, thor) is going to fight because they just like the hero, but if you tell a DC fan that the joker will show up in justice league theyll lose their shit

>>93648487
>Johnny comes home from the company wars with crippling autism

>>93648338
That BvS "ITS ABANDONED" thing seemed liked it was Snyder being petty towards critics of MoS.

>>93648487
>With the exit of the Snyders
Will snyder really go away? I fucking hate the fact that DCEU is a desconstruction of superhero genre, the faggot is a casual that googled "best comic writers" and found Alaan More and Frank Miller and think they works are the superhero bible.

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>>93645039
None, the MCU and DCEU have, somehow, managed to lower the standard of what was already the worst subgenre in cinema.
They are absolutely awful movies that give you no incentive to watch.
The structure is the same everytime, the plots are predictable, the characters are dull, the CGI is awful (although most blockbusters aside from Transformers suffer from this) and the action scenes are a goddamn mess.
Even comic fanboys saying "WOAH DUDE, MY LE HEROES ON LE BIG SCREEN XD" have no excuse to keep watching these.

>>93648565
Don't get me wrong. I love 1st phase MCU, but at this point it seems like every movie is trying to ape the dynamic that Josh Sweden had in Avengers 1.

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>>93648538
DC has villains generation X vaguely remember from the Superfriends.
And Batman villains that have had television exposure from the 60's.
Black Manta is solely remembered as that helmeted scuba dude who opposed Aquaman on the Superfriends. They don't even know that he's actually BLACK.

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>>93645039

>>93648641
Here is the entirety of what normies remember about DC's non-Batman villains.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipuq-nCqfCU

>>93648641
fine but how about this
take their lead heroes
then ask what villans they can fight with recognisable names

batman: joker, scarecrow, bane, mr freeze, riddler, poison ivy
iron man: thanos, ??? more chinks with machines maybe?
superman: zod, lex, doomsday
captain America: red skull, ????

I dont get why marvelfags NEED to have it all, your heroes are MUCH better than DCs and ill watch a movie just to see them in action because I dont care who they fight or even know who they are in the first place

but if im going to watch a DC movie ima need someone like Hugo strange or mad hatter to boost my interest in watching, justice league for example only jas a bit of my interest from the initial assembly, ima need to know what villan is in before I watch it (might just watch it for aqua mang though god damn they made him cool)

MCU probably doesn't take itself as seriously as it could.
DCEU takes itself so overly seriously it loops back around into being a joke. The few times it doesn't just end in apathy due to all the cynicism.

>>93648833
>marvel heroes are much better than DC's
anon, marvel's "heroes'' barely qualify as heroes

>>93648982
What, did Iron-Man smile too much after rescuing everyone?
https://youtu.be/FH5MAvwigMg

>>93648982
I didn't see Batman save anybody. He didn't even let the trafficking victims out of their caves.

>>93649432
*cages

>>93649432
It's mean to point that sorta shit out.

>>93648936
This so fucking much.

>>93648833
Justice League is apparently going to be a fight against waves of Chitauri-tier flying monkeymen and that awful CGI Steppenwolf we got a preview of on the Apology Edition of BvS.

>>93649499
And Man of Autism, possibly.

>>93649499
The cgi was great what are you talking about

>>93649499
it better not just be fucking henchmen

I better see a big baddie or Im just gonna youtube the aqua man parts and skip the rest, that flash looks gay as fuck and cyborg is shit, same with wonder skank and martha man

>>93648982
>marvel's "heroes'' barely qualify as heroes
Only in the comics.

The two cinematic universes are basically the opposite of what they should be. They've adopted the other companies style.

>>93645039
MCU handles things of a mature nature better IMO. They handled Scott trying to get a job and dealing with being an ex-con well, they handled Pym's past and how his wife died and his daughter's feelings really well, they handled Tony's feelings for his mom very well, they handled Cap's feelings for Peggy pretty well, they handled those soldiers in that support group really, REALLY freakin' well, and they handled GotG's issues really well.

Its just that there are so many jokes and quips that you can sometimes forget that they handle the mature stuff really well too.

DCEU was a shit show before Wonder Woman, and it will probably continue to be a shit show unless Joss Whedon completely revamps it and even then we will be dealing with A: AoA levels of quips probably...

Pa Kent, "MARTHA!", and etc all prove how badly they handle mature stuff in DCEU.

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>>93649537
The Parademons are dark blobs of CGI (not helped by the dim lighting/filtration but even bad looking in BvS) and Steppenwolf looks like Megatron's nephew.

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>>93649664
This is Chitauri-tier.

>>93649642
>Its just that there are so many jokes and quips that you can sometimes forget that they handle the mature stuff really well too.
This. Like if you point out that Sam is basically Steve's therapist then you're more likely to get blank stares. Especially around here.

>>93649664
>Steppenwolf looks like Megatron's nephew.
No he doesn't. You're thinking of Cyborg.

>>93649724
The MCU films get credit for a lot more jokes than actually exist in them, post-Whedon.
Guardians of the Galaxy was always intended as action-comedy. Civil War, Winter Soldier and even Age of Ultron aren't really heavy with jokes.

It's just that people here obsess over the ones that there are.

>>93649724
That group therapy session where the woman talks about how a cop thought she was drunk because she did a really strong swerve in the road to avoid a paper bag thrown into her lane because she instinctively thought it was an IED was nicely done. It didn't come off as her being crazy like a lot of those vietnam movies would have, but it was obvious that she had issues and it was really full of feels.

Peggy's mental debilitation was also really heart wrenching.

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>>93645055
Civil War without a doubt.
>better characters
>entertaining fight
>cool powers and new habilities being show
>actual important characters clashing

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>>93649779
There's a reason the DCEU gets Best Costume but not even a nomination in the hotly contested Best Visual, and it's because their visuals are rather garbage.

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>>93649855
And there's not likely to be a practical effect/costume villain in the entirety of JL.

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>>93649537
The CGI in all modern capeshit is fuckawful.
Every one of these movies looks like a goddamn videogame.

MCU is based on sjwerse without a notable characters and iconic stories, and their best ones not even in MCU or just saying on Netflix.
DCEU is based on superior universe with tons of iconic characters and stories and great world-building and legacy.
And yet, both adaptations are mediocre.
So, MCU is obviosly won.

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>>93650071
Why the fuck Superman still use capes after this one?Fucking embarassing.

>>93647934
Sequels aren't cinematic universes unless you think James Bond is a cinematic universe. The XCU isn't a true CU until they have stories that exist in parallel.

>>93649779
>>93649779
You are a retard. That is great cgi.

>>93650526
No, it isnt

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>>93645103
>Kilo kino

>>93650648
It's a display, not borntobewild

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>>93651006
>patethic pieces of shit from /tv/ with cuck /tv/ memes

Why you fags even come here? You guys could be doing another thing, like ending your meanless existence.

>>93645039
>Hardmode: No Netflix or CW

Sigh.

Netflix is NOT part of the MCU, Fiege and Loeb have both stated as such, multiple times. It's a long-standing joke in most places that they can't even really refer to the MCU.

The DCW is officially not part of the cinematic Extended Universe. Which is why we are getting a Teen Titans cable show on a Turner network and a Nightwing movie has been proposed for the DCEU.

>>93645613
To be fair we never got Bats origin story and if he follows the sacred "no-kill" code. It's not a direct translation to the comics.

>>93645103
When will stupid /tv/ posters just fuck off with their memes?

>>93645055
One is a battle with a tone of exspendible bodys that we don't care about. The other is a fight that shows of the skills and abilities of a large cast while also giving them each a moment in the spotlight.

It's like comparing most battles from WWII moves to Rocky.

>>93649855
>Best Costume
It was best makeup.

>>93650526
>>93650648
It's good CGI, but it still looks like shit.

You can use all the CGI you want, but bad design is still bad design,

>>93647757
>Why didn't Batman kill Lex?

Superman's death redeems Batman.

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>>93645039
>no CW
Fucking haters, CW is the BEST!!!

>>93647599
>abloobloo, my nignog genious died is sokovia
As I said, no consequences.

>>93647757
Superman dying brings batman back to the light

>>93648115
>ultron
>step in the right direction
kek

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>>93648223
>Faora
I want her back.
She was best villainfu

>>93649432
>punished batman is actually a literal masked murderhobo instead of the superhero superman is.
That is the entire point of the batman arc in the film. He goes from deranged batmurder to the dark knight

>>93648257
To be fair it's fucking /co/, the AoU hate is all about the hateboner for RDJ, muh quips and the admittedly real behind-the-scenes drama that made it sloppy at parts

I also really loved Uotron, and another "controversial" movie, IM3, is one of my favs. Just carry on and ignore the idiots here. This is the same userbase that often calls classics like Donner's Superman or the Raimi SM movies shit

>>93645039
Neither. These are funnybook movies, not drama movies.

>>93655470
You first, cancer.

>>93648257
>Ultron
>good villain
He was just as terrible as all of Whedon's villains.
>>93656459
Oh, yeah, one faggot who throws autistic tantrums every time someone says anything bad about Raimi and gets mocked by the rest of the board is enough to discredit every opinion you dislike.
You're a real arrogant faggot, you know that?
>IM3, is one of my favs
Sorry to hear about your shit taste. Go on, tell me how clever it was to promise a good villain and then pull a bait-and-switch replace with him to give us the blandest piece of shit imaginable and

>>93656459
>>93656565
*time someone says anything good about Raimi
See, your idiocy is infecting me now. You're contagious.

>>93649848
>>93653069

I don't think the point of the image is to compare fights (since we haven't seen that scene in Justice League) but the visuals of it.

But yeah, I guess this is the kind of response you expect from someone who can't pick up the simplest things and need the MCU to feed the the information through the most retarded ways.

>>93656565
Justcan example dude, didn't say the entire board believes it, just meant you should take anything with a grain of salt

I just like the movie, what can i say. I like Tony's PTSD and "the Mechanic" arc, the armours were cool, and yes, i do think it was clever to play with Mandarin's out-universe origins like that, just like how it was clever to establish the Cap America persona as a propagandistic tool in TFA. Was Pierce's character particularly interesting? No, but he served his purpose. Would it have been cool to get a real magic-equipped Mandarin? Of course, his absence doesn't make the movie bad tho

DC isn't for people who read comic books aka teenagers. DC is for people who can truly enjoy a real medium like film.