Why isn't there a comic character with King Crimson's

>>93601714
How would it work?

>>93601714
dr manhattan

>>93601714
Read more comics and you'd find there are.

>>93601745
Ones who can erase time? I've seen time-stoppers, time-accelerators, and time-reversers, but I've never seen a time-erasing character. Any examples?

>>93601714
There is. His name is King Crimson, from the popular Japanese comic, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.
Perhaps you've heard of it?

>>93601714
No point, he would job to Batman or Spiderman if a bad guy. If he is a good guy, writers will make him job to make Batman or Spiderman look good.

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>>93601804
>manga
>comics
If they're the same, then why are /a/ and /co/ separate boards, huh?

>>93601714

Western comics are more about punching things or other forms of physical attack. Basically Stardust Crusaders era stands.

Western comics wouldn't be able to handle powers that go full Jojo. Abilities like King Crimson are hard enough to keep track of when its written by the guy who came up with the idea. Can you imagine how big a clusterfuck that would be if King Crimson had 20 years of screentime, having been written by a hundred different writers? They would never keep it straight.

Like, fuck. Flash just has the power of "goes fast", and comics still can't consistently agree how fast he goes.

>>93601714
Because comics have enough cancer to deal with. Fuck off with your Jojo faggotry.

>>93601791
>Time erasing

Closest I can think of would be the Demons 3 from the Silver Age Justice League. Felix Faust started a process that unleashed them millions of years into the future and when they got out they started to replace the futuristic world they awoke in with ancient Akkad by copy+pasting the past onto the future. The result was a time barrier that prevented Superman from taking himself and the justice league back into the past (because the past was currently being placed over the present you see).

So I guess that's close enough.

>>93601890
He's making a facetious comment about how anime and mangos creep into /co/.

>>93601920
>Western comics are about punching things or other forms of physical attack

Boy are you wrong. Read the Grant Morrison or Gardner Fox JLA. They dealt with abstract reality manipulation bullshit all the time. Rarely was anything ever solved by just "yell harder to summon my ki and think of my friends and punch a little harder". You're thinking of shonen mangos.

>They would never keep it straight

This is true. It's why Dr. Destiny went from a reality manipulating scientist who could make anything even inside dreams to Freddy Krueger years before Freddy Krueger.

>>93601920
>Like, fuck. Flash just has the power of "goes fast", and comics still can't consistently agree how fast he goes.

thats what happens when you let like 40 people write a book over 60 years.

>>93601714
Any mid-to-high-tier cosmic has his powerset and more.

>>93601890
Because both anime and comic fans are notorious for being petty elitists who refuse to acknowledge the value in competing mediums due to a reactive inferiority complex mixed in with general tribe mentality.

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>>93602490
...can you say that in English please?

>>93603271

I got your back, anon.

Both anime and comic fans think our stuff is the best, even though both anime and comics are cool sometimes. Some of that probably comes from hanging around people who like the same things we do and the fact that we aren't able to accept that sometimes our thing is worse than the other,sometimes.

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>>93601714
What is it with Jojo villains and time?

>>93604237
The creator said something in an interview about time being one of the most terrifying and powerful things to control. That the main bad guy should outclass most if not all of the guys who came before, and have a power that is threatening. Time powers do those things pretty well.

>>93601714
What were King Crimson's powers, again?

>>93604237
It's the ultimate roadblock, meaning only the heroes' guile and unexpected twists (sometimes asspulls) can win the day.

>>93604237
It's the one thing you can't beat.
Why do you think Kira got a rewind? Bombs alone was too easy.

>>93604237
If you control time you basically control everything that is affected by time (i.e. Everything)

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>>93604304

>>93604237
>>93604291

Who would win in a fight between DIO and Akemi Homura?

>>93604304
Erases causes but leaves effects.
Prove me wrong.

>>93604363
That's uh...that's pretty accurate now that i think about it. well done.

>>93604383
Depends, can Homura stop time for longer than ten seconds, and can she take a few hits from a roided out vampire? If so, i'd give it to Homura, cause she'd probably out do him just like Jotaro did.

>>93604388
Doesn't make sense. Diavalo uses King Crimson to avoid bullet impacts. If KC worked like you said it did, what would happen is
>guy shoots at Diavalo
>activates KC
>KC erases the act of shooting the bullet
>effect still remain
>Diavalo still is shot in the head
doesn't match up

>>93604388
Effects are null on Diavolo because he becomes a ghost in the erased time, so it's not that simple.

>>93604437
See
>>93604445

>>93601714
I always thought that King Crimson was just The Hand but with time? So he just swipes away at a section of time and the parts he didn't swipe at just click together as if there was nothing there. I can see why comic writers never tried this concept because comic writers are all about writing situations with direct outcomes and they usually write, even if they put up random obstacles the hero is always going to win because his powers are perfect for the situation and they're always perfect for the situation but manga artists will write a situation were the character has to use their power in a creative way or in a way that may not seem useful at the time but will come up later and save them from a worse scenario. King Crimson does this very well because he has Epitaph which can see into the future and his base power which erases time making it so that he can foresee any danger and then erase that danger from the time stream once it happens the only way to defeat him is to use Gold Experience Requiem which reduces all values to 0 a seemingly specific power to have but it ends up being used in an unexpected but useful way

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Guys listen to me.

Time erasure isn't the main power of King Crimson, but rather a 「side effect.」

I believe King Crimson's power is something like 「intangibility」 but with time rather than space. He creates a state where he is not affected by time (read: affected by 「fate」) so he can move independantly from the proper 「course」 of time. Once the limit is reached and the state is cancelled, time 「compresses」, joining the two points where things are working properly in a natural effort of the universe to eliminate the 「paradox」, quite similar to how it does with space when The Hand uses its ability.

That is how King Crimson works.

>>93604423
>Depends, can Homura stop time for longer than ten seconds, and can she take a few hits from a roided out vampire?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S09mEDCqSx4

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>>93601714
Dial H
Limited series from DC Comics recently.

The Centipede.
Awesome villain from the series.

>>93604936
So he's a human centipede?

DIO DINDU NUFFIN

>>93604466
>>93604445
>>93604437
>>93604553
>The Hand but with time

This, but Araki flubbed on some logical outcomes of the ability like >>93604437
so people have to furiously headcanon to make King Crimson "work".

The fact is he's pretty inconsistent and fans have to invent flowcharts to make it all work.

>>93604553
>Mango characters have to use their powers in creative ways or in a way that may not seem useful at the time but will come up later and save them from a worse scenario
>Comics don't do this

Are you high or do you not read a lot of comics? Because superheroes do what you've described all the damn time.

>>93604936
>Grant Morrison's time centipede as a superhero

BASED

>>93604849
>Gate of Rocket Launchers

Holy fuck man. I love Jojo, and have never really seen Madoka. But as long as she can take maybe a hit or two, it looks like she'd fucking destroy Dio.

>>93605031

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi4a1rehadY

She's pretty good at taking or avoiding hits, and I'm pretty sure she can stop time for an absurd amount of "relative" time.

>>93604304
The simplest explanation is that it resets time to give Divalo an advantage.

For example, Divalo gets shot. King Crimson resets time so that Divalo doesn't get shot. While time is being reset, Divalo can move around freely and do whatever he likes

>>93605031
>2017
>not having watched Madoka
you need to lurk for at least 2 years before posting, boyo

>>93605097
Well that settles that then, good talk mate.

>>93605160
I know, i am a filthy casual. I just keep forgetting. Please forgive me.

>>93605226
No. You will cease being a normalfag immediately.

>>93605031

As a Meguca, as long as her soul gem is intact Dio can tear her in half and its a nonlethal injury. Dio will almost certainly not know this, meaning the first time he 'kills' Homura it will probably not stick.

On top of that, Homura has a power Dio does not: time travel. The moment she feels she cant win this fight, she can go back in time a month with memories intact.

That, if used, could theoretically let her get the drop on Dio by ambushing him with future knowledge.

None of this ensures her the win, obviously. Dio is no joke. But I think she has enough aces up her sleeve to fight him on roughly even terms.

>>93605313
That's what i'm saying, Homura, from what i've seen, outclasses Jotaro, who beat Dio with a relatively simple plan. I'm firmly convinced that she would win. She's got more power, more time to plan, an extra life, and more fire power. Sounds like a pretty open and shut case to me.

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>>93601791

time erasing, you say?

>>93604971
DIO isn't a nigger, anon.

However, Dio-sama did nothing wrong and then they ruined his life for no reason.

>>93604553
>The Hand but with time

That's actually probably the best way I've seen it put.

>>93604770

Thanos has been shown several times to exist outside of fate. It allows him as a mere mortal to interact with (and muddle with) Cosmic-level beings, to some degree he is out of their direct control, out of their predictability range.

When you take a cosmic being like Eternity or the Living Tribunal by surprise, you're pretty darn potent.

>>93601714
Most people who've read the manga several times over and played the games can't even tell you what King Crimson's powers are.

So that's probably why.

>>93605577
Don't worry, anon, the retranslation of Part 5 will make everything clear

>>93605577
It's because Araki had no fucking clue on what to do with King Crimson, so his powers are ridiculously inconsistent.

Like how Diavolo can't interact with other people during erased time except when he can.

>>93601922
No, Anon. You are the faggot.

>>93605645
Parts 3 and 5 in particular have the most batshit inconsistencies in power levels.
Even when he retconned Gold Experience's powers to be weaker it still ended up being by far the strongest stand a main character would have until MAYBE Soft&Wet.

That said, King Crimson still makes no fucking sense. At first it just comes off like The World only he can stop time for an unlimited amount of time and he can see the future for 10 seconds. Then there's crazy shit like him making you punch your own future self?
How the fuck does it work?

>>93605800
>Retconned Gold Experience Requiem

What did he do?

>>93605725
And then John was a homosexual.

>>93606000
Not Requiem, Gold Experience itself. There's loads of stuff early on that doesn't show up later.

Most notably, when he creates the frog that Leaky-Eyes Luca kills and transfers the damage to Luca himself. Araki realized that Giorno could have just made fucking ants all the time and had enemies step on them and meatsplode so it never shows up again.

>>93605800
King Crimson Abilities:

Resets time by erasing specific events.

While time is being reset Divalo can move around and counter attack.

Allows Divalo to see potential futures(?).Limited to what could happen in 10 seconds(?).

Redirect enemy attacks to future versions of themselves(?)

This is probably the best explanation I have for KC's abilities.

>>93601890
/a/ came first, being one of the original boards of 4chan. /co/ was created a few years after 4chan began. It's far too late for any merging, rearranging, and whatnot of the boards' subjects to do any good; they're better off on their own as they are

>>93606065
So GER is still Araki's greatest lame as fuck plot device?

>>93606600
Nobody can defend GER. People just accept that Araki is a crazy writer who throws away some logic and consistency so cool shit can happen.

>>93606600
Definitely. the strange irony of Part 5 is that, wall-to-wall it is almost constantly filled with what are consistently the best fights in the series, only for the actual last battle with the main villain to be the worst fight in the whole thing.

Part 6 had the opposite problem where most of the fights are absolutely atrocious and the main villain is the only thing to look forward to.

>>93606628
>>93606664
It didn't help things that Diavolo was perhaps the weakest villain Araki's ever written.

>>93606664
The real shame is that the current best Part, Steel Ball Run, has the best Villain of the Week fights AND the best final battle, but some of the least creative stands in the series outside of Tusk and D4C.

>>93606754
Most of the Stands in Part 7 are purposeful rehashes of previous ones though, to be fair.

That said, much like in Part 4, the other best Part, the power levels stay consistent throughout and every villain feels like someone they could actually defeat without asspulls.
compare with Part 3 where Vanilla Ice has what is clearly the strongest Stand that has ever existed in the series but jobs to fucking Polnareff.

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>>93601714
Clearly you need to read more comics anon

>>93606823
Abusing Vanilla Ice's temper and irrational loyalty won them that fight. That and the fact that he's blind and has to be careful not to fuck absolutely everything when attacking. Otherwise they would have been fucked, no question.

>>93606754
>SBR
>Uncreative stands

>Oh! Lonesome Me
>Scary Monsters
>Cream Starter
>Catch the Rainbow
>Sugar Mountain Springs
>Wrecking Ball (not a stand but whatever)

I'm just gonna stop there because honestly most of the stands in SBR are pretty creative. That doesn't necessarily make them good or interesting, though I would argue that a lot of them are, but they're certainly very creative I would say.


No part can beat out Stardust Crusaders for most boring and uncreative stands imo

>>93607028
I guess a better way to put it is that they're way more physical based. They're the closest Jojo has ever gotten to straight up superpowers rather than weird rule bound curses attached to
Punchghosts.

>>93606823
>Vanilla Ice has what is clearly the strongest Stand
He was also a fucking vampire and had all the weaknesses of one, which ended up being exploited to beat him. And he also took out Iggy, Vanilla Ice was definitely no jobber.

>>93607055
>rather than weird rule bound curses attached to punchghosts.
Chocolate Disco, Wired, Love Train and Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap say hello.

God I hate manga 'powers'

It's always absolute bullshit like causality reversal, variable manipulation, etc. etc. Every single shounen has some character that can rewrite existence. Even fucking Naruto has Izanagi and they're just about a bunch of ninjas.

How any of these people lose is beyond me.

>>93606823
>>93606986
This. He didn't want to wreck too much of Dio's place s he had to peek. That being said anytime he stuck his head out of Cream he was asking to be killed.

>>93607028
Chocolate Disco was such a cool stand. I wish a main character could have something like that.

>>93607171
See thats something to appreciate about Jojo. The powers are all incredibly grounded and varied. Araki values giving abilities with wide, dangerous scope to main villains, and even then they are incredibly conditional and specific in their applications. Everyone agrees King Crimson is more bullshit than usual. Araki is a lot more creative than a lot of typical manga artists. His series is the single most popular and successful series in Japan for a reason.

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>>93607171
>It's always some OP bullshit

Superhero comics have it even worse.

You handle it like you would magic spells in an RPG setting. You make rules and loopholes that people can use to get at people with OP powers.

Whats the /co/ equivalent of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm2D7ohWos0

>>93607375
>>93607375
>All incredibly grounded
Are you for real? What the hell is grounded about ZA WARUDO and magic Jesus fetus curtain that transfers attack damage to random people?

>Single most popular and successful series in Japan for a reason

Seriously? I don't think JoJo is pulling in the DBZ or One Piece dollars Anon.

>>93607424
SPEEEEEEEEEDFOOOOOOOOOORCE

>>93607436
Jojo is a label people aren't going to touch unless they know they are going to handle it well in Japan, leading to it not having a lot of side content besides its 30 year running manga and some video games, as well as a very recent anime adaptation. DBZ and One Piece are younger and more exposed outside to the west while Jojo is actually only now reaching out to outside audience. It's huge as fuck in japan.

Also what's so fucking hard to comprehend about 10 second time stops and the corpse of jesus giving people super powers. Valentine was seeking to get all parts of the corpse so he could gain the ability to deflect misfortune away from the entire country, making it perfect and without problem.

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>>93606600
I won't argue with you on that. However, I will say that the non-giorno fights in part 5 are worth the Giorno fights.

>>93607593
The best fight in Part 5 is a Giorno fight. White Album might be the best JoJo fight period.

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>>93606207
Sounds like he has the Eobard Thawne seal of approval.

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>>93601920
I mean, not ALL the time.
Just, like, 70% of it.

>>93607376
I don't agree at all. Even just your pic makes sense. Lantern energy is perfectly limited and it could essentially be considered a creation power on par with a god. Meanwhile, that power in a manga would be able to create an entire reality or some shit.

The Flash has one of the most broken powers that a big name character has, access to the Speedforce, and he mostly just uses it for time travel. Even he doesn't have the ability to ignore causation.

>>93607606
White Album is a Mista fight, though.

>>93607702
I guess. It's a co-op fight.

The other best fight in Part 5 is Kraftwerk though which yet again is based Mista at work. He is the best character in Part 5 after all.

>>93607539
>10 second time stop
because it's not time stopping, it's time erasure. The power isn't simple about breaking physics, it's about breaking reality.

>>93607722
>not Bruno

The average western superpower
>Super strong but weak to energy blasts

The average nippon superpower
>When activated, the caster removes the boundaries between reality and illusion within their personal space. To a degree this allows the user to control their state of existence, but it is normally active for only the briefest of moments.[3] At the same time, in the anime, a highly skilled user of this ability can expand Izanagi's range beyond one's personal reality, able to affect a large area and the people within it during the technique's activation.[4]

>Although the target remains physically real while fighting, this technique is capable of turning any occurrence including injuries and even death inflicted upon them, as long as the technique is active, into mere "illusions." Whenever the user receives a fatal injury, he or she will automatically fade away before returning back to reality; physically real and unscathed. The process is explained to have initially involved the administration of imagination, and the spiritual energy which forms the basis of Yin chakra to create shape and form from nothingness. Then, through the application of vitality, and the physical energy which forms the basis of Yang chakra to breathe life into the prior form.

>>93607732
But while he's erasing time he seems to have unlimited time to move around while he sees everything as frozen.
>>93607736
Bruno has to settle for second best even though his Stand is one of my favorites in the whole series. The pure "fuck you I can take more bullets than you can" machismo of Mista's fights is just too awesome to ignore.

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>>93607722
Bruno's first fight with Davolo was pretty good too. It gave us this gem.
Probably the best out of context panel ever.

>>93607765
note also that the guy with the second power lost in one episode to a single other dude who was also a teenager

>>93607732
King Crimson is hard to actually understand but complaining about The World not being realistic is fucking dumb, it's a superpower you need some suspension of disbelief. Grounded probably isn't a good word for jojo. The powers aren't typical Water beats fire shit, "mine is stronger than yours" shit. They're unconventional and creative. Big bads get the OP time shit and even then they are handled pretty well.

>>93607811
It's not about being realistic. The power is so utterly fucking broken that beating it just isn't even reasonable to believe within fiction. You have to consume so much bullshit to even believe that this guy is a threat that anyone can deal with.

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>>93607842
His time stop isn't spammable as it actually damages him to use for too long at once, it would likely kill a non vampire. A fuck ton of characters in fiction are strong enough to handle The World's strength and deal with time stopping every so often for 10 seconds, it's not that broken, read more comics. In the realm of Jojo, yeah it's broken as fuck, it's supposed to be, Jotaro had to pull some shit and get lucky not to get 1HKO'd in time for his ability to fully manifest.

>>93607842
Come on, Kira's defeat made perfect sense and Valentine's demise was the perfect logical conclusion to an entire season's worth of character development.

>>93607700
Silver Age Green Lantern was OP as fuck, my dude. And in one story, his ring had created a world inside of it, funny enough.

>>93601714
I don't know who that is because I'm not a retarded weeb.

>>93607842
And that's the fun of Jojo.
It's a game of wits where they've gotta outsmart each other. And more often than not, Araki makes it work.

>>93608095
>being on this site
>not being a weeb
pick one

>>93607028
I would love to see a hero with a power like Oh! Lonesome Me.

>>93604304
That one episode of Futurama

>>93607028
>>Oh! Lonesome Me
Isn't this just a much lamer Stone Free?

>>93608835
There's some similarities I guess but shooting spider-man webs =/= breaking yourself apart by ropes

>>93604445
>Effects are null on Diavolo because he becomes a ghost in the erased time
So effectively it's not time erasure.

It's intangibility and memory erasure?

>>93604304
Imagine video editing software, where you can edit time/reality to take any moments in history that might result in harming you.
Like someone swings their fist at you, so you just 'cut it out' from time so it never happened. And thus are never happened. And time continues as if it didn't, making you completely indestructible.

It's like savescumming but you get to skip any part as if it were a cut-scene with it and keep all your HP always.

>>93608104
He makes it work sometimes.

Other times we get Gold Experience Requiem.

>>93610013
It's a mistake because Araki was trying to combine the Dio fight of part 3 where they're trying to figure out what the world does with the convoluted time bullshit of Bites the Dust.

He finally stopped fucking around with time manipulation powers and went for space manipulation powers in Steel Ball Run and it gave us one of the best final bosses.

>>93610013
Memory erasure doesn't come into it at all.

Only he knows what happens during the erased time whilst for everyone else time just jumps around. This is because he technically has two stands, Diavolo's is King Crimson which can manipulate time, whilst "Doppio's" is Epitaph, which is able to see into the future. This is how Diavolo knows when he needs to skip time and what will happen at the end of the erased part, otherwise he'd be as vulnerable to his stand as anyone else. The little face on King Crimson's face is Epitaph.