Did her show on Hub help popularize the light fantasy genre for

>>93587267
I can't really say Barney helped popularize anything. Oh and btw, Adventure Time came out several months before, so your statement is immediately discarded.

>>93587328
I was about to point out the same concerning Adveture Time but I wouldn't discount the merits of [redacted] in helping the establish more light fantasy based cartoons and more female starring/created cartoons.

>>93587328
If anything, The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack is the logical beginning. Both Adventure Time and Regular Show (which started the 2010's era) only happened because of Flapjack.

>>93587267
>>93587409
MLP didn't really do anything.

I would say both AT and MLP popularized fantasy themes in the modern era which were long considered passe, both popularized lore/story driven kids shows, and both popularized the "strong female characters" thing that is so prevalent, MLP more so

Everyone on this board will always downplay the influence of MLP because Barneyfag samefags constantly and anti bronies are still a thing, but talk to me when your CN shows have a bigger fanbase.....

Hows SU con coming along? It'll never reach the level the MLP cons had. I honestly don't think the whole magical girl theme in shows like SU and Star Vs would even be a thing without MLP gaining a massive following

>>93587452
This guy seems the most level-headed here.

>>93587452
Flapjack was just a Spongebob rip off conceptually though, Adventure Time and MLP at least have the fantasy element in common and heavily featuring female characters, don't really see how the other shows named compare at all

Regular Show if anything was like Adult Swim lite, regularizing stoner teenager humor crap but without blatant vulgarity

>>93589601
>Flapjack was just a Spongebob rip off conceptually though

Whu.... how even?
Just cause it involves the fucking sea?

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>>93589601
>a show that takes place of an adventurous sailor boy and his drunk captain taking risks to experience going to a place filled with candy is a ripoff to a show that takes place of an optimistic sea sponge living his life either jellyfishing, working for his boss, playing with his best friend, or making unlogical things happen underwater

>>93589648
>>93589816
Well at least there is that connection, it's as concrete as comparing it to Adventure Time which is thematically and tonally completely different aside from the fact that it has an irritating blonde kid as the protagonist with a wacky seemingly adult partner

>>93589648
That, and the fact it stars two characters who every episode act childish and eat lots of candy.

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>>93587267
That's a very nice cartoon you have there, sure would be a shame if something happened to it.
What a fucking arrogant douchebag.

>>93587452
>MLP didn't really do anything.
It made me smile
That's something.

>>93587267
No? Light fantasy has always existed for kids cartoons
I swear you horsefuckers give your show to much credit

>>93587267
Too bad the show drifted a lot from the medieval fantasy genre lately.

>>93587267
But MLP is in 90% just a hitty slice of life episodes where they don't do anything with fantasy setting and instead focus on riding carts, going to Vegas or shop at the mall. Fuck off.

>>93592166
Ironically it's the faggots from /b/ who don't even watch the show which keep praising and "defending" it.

>>93591915
Thank you asshole, for ruining what could have been something good. Probably the same asshole who insisted on slice of life instead of adventure action with story arcs and a main villain.

>>93587267
>the light fantasy genre for cartoons?
No.

It didn't even help popularize the character-driven genre for cartoons. Loud House is still a piece of shit where Lincoln is the main character and the others play support for him or are too 1 dimensional and boring by themselves.

Didn't FIM had that one thing going on for it? there where 6 characters but each of them contributed in some charming and memorable way *in every episode all at once*
Usually you get secondary character focused episodes meant to flesh out that character because the main one is always occupying too much screentime in order for the deuteragonist or secondary to come out.
Just like Spike the dragon got his own solo episode with the retarded owl, which made him look like a shitty generic boring character when it came to fleshing him out.
Meanwhile in Pinkie Pie's "solo" episode she reveals that behind all her bubbly self she's an insecure sociopath.

>>93592506
>an insecure sociopath
You're blowing things out of proportion just the same

>>93592166
>No? Light fantasy has always existed for kids cartoons
Sure it has. So have girl protagonists. So has MLP in general, There is still a big difference between the last gen of MLP, the number of people who watched it, and the current.

Anybody who thinks MLP wasn't basically a phenomenon when it was at it's most popular isn't giving it enough credit.
>>93592426
>Ironically it's the faggots from /b/ who don't even watch the show which keep praising and "defending" it.
Fuck off fandom fan

>>93587267
Adventure Time came before MLP FIM, I thought.

>>93592405

This changes a bit in season 5 when more adventure is added into the mix but I mostly agree that the series could have used a little more adventure. Would have been nice to see hints for the Crystal Empire or Tirek instead of those events happening in a vacuum. Also the season 3 finale was very poorly done, that shit still stings years later. Could have at least given it a full season's worth of development instead of the half-season with no buildup that it got.

Maybe season 6 and 7 are better? I haven't watched them yet.

also >inb4 ban

>>93592981
Fuck off /b/tard if I wanted your goddamn opinion I would have asked [r9k] instead.
Minecraft was much more of a phenomena than FIM was and call it FIM. Not mlp, you shitstain.

>>93593064
Minecraft isn't a cartoon or a comic book, now is it?
Here's how to tell a fandom fan....they actually reference /b/ or r9k. No actual adults on this entire website give a flying fuck about either of those groups of people and consider them the garbage dump of the site, less useful than even /trash/, the fact that they are even fresh in your mind enough to be reference means you visit them regularly, you're a fucking retard who probably isn't even into comics or cartoons but like saw the Avengers once and comes here because of memes

>>93593037
7 has been pretty good so far, 6 was meh and not as many good episodes as 5, just my opinion

>>93593020
It did but just barely, at least in terms of it's televised version. I think both shows helped popularize it, prior to them pretty much all shows were still in the 90s formula of kids shows being mostly pure comedy goofy episodic stuff or pure ACKSHUN

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>>93593146
The amount of assbackwards logic and mental gymnastic akin to an idiot "No, you're the retard" speaks volumes of who you are.
Nobody fucking wants you here fatlard, you replying at all is an insult.

>>93593037
Not him, but...

Season 3 was moving towards SOMETHING, but feels like it was dropped. Fuck that finale, though. Didn't help the show quality, and wouldn't have been a good ending, either. I mean, the first half was decent, but the ending... ugh.
Season 6 and 7 had their ups and downs so far. 7 had more downs than anything in my opinion. The season 5 villain is basically a main character now, even getting the last season's finale again and the first 2 episodes of new one. So you can see where the nickname "Poochie" applies.

By "Hub show" you guys mean My Little Pony right?

What up, Goldson?

>>93587452
MLP saved western tv animation from dying twice, are you retarded?

MLP is the only accomplishment to her name, and she quit after 1 season.

>>93594150
It saved nothing but your virginity!

>>93587328
>Barneyfag arrives in under 3 minutes and makes the first post after OP

Truly, you will be a cautionary tale for the next 10 generations on the dangers of having no life.

>>93589970
You're a fucking retard, buddy. Adventure Time and Flapjack are nearly fucking identical in theme and tone.

>>93594167
Your mum currently holds that accomplishment little man

>>93593441
>Nobody fucking wants you here fatlard, you replying at all is an insult.

>posts South Park pics
>says "fatlard" unironically, probably under 25 years of age
>probably an Adult Swim viewer
>probably doesn't read comics

Yeah, nobody wants me here....go back to /v/ you stupid little Mountain Dew drinking puke.

>>93589970
I'm pretty sure the guy who made Adventure Time worked on Flapjack, though.

>>93587267
MLP did nothing for the fantasy genre. However, it did help toy driven animation a lot becasue it proved that a good cartoon can increase sells immensly.

>>93594064
Well, said Faust's show on the Hub, so... yeah.

>>93594150
Only thing this and AT did was break peoples expectations for cartoons to make them relevant again, not necessarily "save" it. Gravity Falls and Steven Universe did the same thing.

And yet, despite all four of these shows existence, we're still headed towards a dark age where there's going to be nothing to fucking watch.

>>93595516
I'd hesitate to say that. It's just that most of the old shows either have ended or are ending very soon, leaving us in a weird transitional period where no one really knows what the next big thing is.

>>93593893
Why people are still butthurt about the Twilicorn is still beyond me.

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>>93589601
>>93589970
>>93594191
I'd argue Flapjack was probably closer in tone to Courage the Cowardly Dog than any other cartoon
The only really major comparisons to Spongebob and Adventure Time was that Flapjack was kind of a mix between Spongebob and Finn

>>93595877
Just because it's been a long while, that doesn't make it good.

>>93596026
Hello Kettle

>>93595877
I would argue most people kind of don't care, but this is the internet and vocal minorities rule

People who like or are indifferent to things don't screech a fraction as loud as people who hate things.

>>93587267
>you will never convince lauren to let you knock her up so in the back of a convention so she can convince craig shes pregnant with one of his own
>she will never do her slutty frankie impression for you while you pound her tight 40 something ass

>>93587267
I would say yes and no. AT came out a couple of months before so give credit when credit is due. But the long story arcs, female-centered narrative of MLP really helped popularize action/driven girl shows like Star Vs, or Steven Universe, yes Steven Universe is for girls. Have you met the fans? Not a shred of testosterone in any of them. Anyway who here is ready for a revival in 2D animation?

>>93596365
You mean 30 something ass... oh my god ;_;

>>93587328
Go to bed barneyfag

>>93596788
Reminds me of that one panel thing where Lauren Faust says that Super BFFs didn't get greenlit because Cartoon Network already had a girl's show in Steven Universe, Sugar sheepishly tries to reply that Cartoon Network considers it a boy's show, and Faust is just like "yeah, right". Then Sugar looks like she's about to cry and Faust starts frantically apologizing.

>>93589601
Flapjack was a kingmaker for Ward and Quintel, as well as Alex Hirsch.

>>93592157
That's all it needed to do anon, and that's why I think it's the strongest 7.5/10 show ever

>>93591915
He basically go Jared Saphiro route. But without self insertion OC's. I hate when producers became writers without any experience prior to making the episodes.

>>93595877

I mean...we all knew it was going to be a cash-in for toys like the finale of season 2 with the sudden appearance of a brother that Twilight never mentioned and a wedding, and we all knew Twilight had a special destiny.

But they could have built it up better. Season 3 was only 13 episodes long, most of the episodes were SoL, and the finale plot seemed like it had nothing to do with becoming an alicorn.

>everyone's cutie marks are mixed up
>yay you fixed it now you're a princess
>and an alicorn!

Felt like a plot that could have happened in literally any other episode rather than some sort of trial for Twilight to fulfill her destiny.

>>93596320

You guys know this isn't unique to FiM, people are still bitching about Gravity Falls' ending, people are still bitching about the finale of Samurai Jack, and people are still bitching about Wally West coming back as a black kid. We don't let shit go when it's about stories or characters we care about.

>>93598099
Funny because despite the SUDDEN BROTHER thing, the extra alicorn and part 1 being uneventful, the season 2 finale felt like a perfect closure for the show. It was pretty solid.

>>93595516
>>93595625
The thing is it's rare for there to be two boom periods back to back - in anything really, cartoons included. Post 90s Nick, aside from a minor exception here and there, cartoons were absolute shit on all channels until the 2010 revival. That's 6 years after the last good episode of Spongebob aired (when it was literally the only good cartoon on TV aside from perhaps Avatar). We're in a bust as we speak (and will hit rock bottom once the last holdouts die off) and I agree with the guy you responded to, there's not going to be anything good to watch for a couple of years, at least not on the kids networks.

The people who just really enjoyed the now-dead CN era are going to feel jaded about any cartoon that feels at all similar to RS/Gumball/AT/Clarence/SU/LTS/TTG, but that's exactly what CN is going to give us for the next couple of years. The generation before us will kinda sorta enjoy the new generation, but they won't be super passionate about it, because the cartoons won't be worth getting passionate about. The bust period, however, will inspire CN as well as cartoonists/writers/animators to think up something a little more inspiring, but that's 5+ years off.

>>93598359

I mean I didn't really mind the S2 finale that much despite it, again, being an obvious cash-in for toys. It was the season 3 finale that I felt was most egregiously done.

Maybe it's because I haven't been keeping up with the show or the fandom, but the S4/S5 finales didn't feel so much like they were just trying to get more toybux.

Though season 5 would have benefited from more interference by Starlight Glimmer or whatever her name is over the course of the season rather than just appearing in the opener and finale. Especially if they were going to turn her into a central character for season 6 and beyond.

>>93598345
What do oyu think about the villain yeti?

>>93595516
While MLP's success was impossible to repeat, Adventure Time was a big deal because it really demonstrated a model of marketing a cartoon that worked in an age where television had to compete with the internet. It "saved" Western animation in the sense that it made Cartoon Network, and later Disney, take a second look at creator-driven western animation after assuming it wasn't profitable enough to focus on anymore.

That's the big point that people who claim Flapjack started the modern era of animation miss. While most of Flackjack's staff would go on to become big names in the industry, but the show itself had no real impact on the industry. It's similar to how Genndy Tartakovsky (Dexter), Craig McCraken (PPG), Rob Renzetti (Teenage Robot), Conrad Vernon (Shrek 2), and the rest of their generation of Cal-Arts graduates got their first real break on 2 Stupid Dogs, but 2 Stupid Dogs itself was just a fairly forgettable mid-90s cartoon.

>>93598518
>Though season 5 would have benefited from more Starlight Glimmer
NOPE

>but the S4/S5 finales didn't feel so much like they were just trying to get more toybux
S4 finale was a huge buildup for the rainbowfied line, though.

>>93596977
Lauren tries to blame the lack of her shows getting picked up on any reason beyond maybe they're just dull. Considering how much she kept trying to push Galaxy Girls and it never got picked up...

>>93599405
I enjoyed the shorts but let's face it, the show would probably never hit it off compared to how SU currently is.

>>93599389
>NOPE
You're probably speaking as someone who has seen season 6, but I only know her as a villain. And as a villain I think she would have been more effective with some build-up, especially since we had just seen Twilight do some ridiculous DBZ-tier shit in season 4.

Plus as it stands now, Starlight Glimmer is basically a main show stand-in for the far superior but EG exclusive Sunset Shimmer. They should have just brought her over instead, IMO, even if that opens the main show up to that bullshit shoehorned Flash Sentry.

>rainbowfied line

I didn't know DESU, but even knowing it now it doesn't bother me that much. The whole SSJ friendship thing wasn't exactly central to the plot and it somewhat made sense in the context of the show (friendship > all) so I can give it a pass.

I have to say it's nice to have a discussion about the show without having to go over to the containment board and wade through all the porn.

>>93599475
Everything she makes virtually feels like its the exact same as MLP, just with a different location. Batgirl acts like Pinkie Pie, half the Galaxy Girls were re-purposed into the ponies personalities. At least when Craig has a show, you can tell the same artist did it, but are pretty different in writing, personality, and humor. Like, Buttercup and Sylvia are pretty different despsite having the same interests. It can't be said the same for Lauren's characters and writing. She loves using "The ditzy one", "The stoic one" and "The level headed one" archetypes especially.

>>93599566
If I recall, she mentioned using archetypes of female characters, like "waif" (technically not waifu, but, you know, I guess she uses that too) and some others. So you might be on to something, but at least I guess there's a good excuse for it.

>>93599551
>You're probably speaking as someone who has seen season 6, but I only know her as a villain.
Eh, personally I didn't care much for her as a villain, either.

>They should have just brought Sunset Shimmer over instead
I think I've seen something about an upcoming episode dealing exactly with that... might be just fan assumptions though, didn't look much into it. I guess they saw Shimmer grew into people and tried to just do it again?

>The whole SSJ friendship thing wasn't exactly central to the plot and it somewhat made sense in the context of the show (friendship > all) so I can give it a pass.
That's fair. Personally I preferred when it was more Sailor Moon/Rayearth With Ponies rather than DBZ With Ponies, though. Feels like they lost tack of the original idea. Or maybe it's supposed to be a different theme each season?

>I have to say it's nice to have a discussion about the show without having to go over to the containment board and wade through all the porn.
I don't find them worth it. I just wait for stealth threads here or whatever and cross my fingers that most shitposters went over there and stayed.

>>93587267
You know, I never really noticed this until now
Lauren's kinda cute

>>93600747
Pretty much anyone who isn't a hunchback can look really good with the right make-up and photographed with the right lighting and angle.

She looks stressed out as fuck in most other pictures.

>>93587267
Nope

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>>93596977
>Sugar stars crying
Lol what a fag. She should be kneeling at Mother Faust's pedicured feet, I'm pissed they ditched a cute girl action show for some crying baby fest and townie adventures. By the way I wasn't trying to be funny when I said that the entire SU fandom is one big estrogen fest. I have literally never met a single male SU fan, although I've met plenty of female ones.

>>93596896
>can't handle the truth
I can't say I expected anything else from these degenerates

>>93602540
>I have literally never met a single male SU fan, although I've met plenty of female ones.
I'm glad you clarified with that second statement, because with men excluded, that left at least a dozen more genders to sort through.

>>93593893
Season 7 still isn't done. Also, that episode about Applejack's parents was pretty good.

>>93599566
Honestly, this is the exact reason I'm actually kind of glad Lauren got taken out of MLP. Season 1 is honestly where the characters feel the most one-noted.

>>93602540
sorry man, i'm a ex-one...

>>93587267
>Quit after one season because the execs wouldn't treat her like a princess and she would have to fight to get what she wanted
Holy shit, she's like a female alex hirsch

>>93600691
>I don't find them worth it. I just wait for stealth threads here or whatever and cross my fingers that most shitposters went over there and stayed.

Having to have a stealth thread to discuss a comic and cartoon on the comics and cartoons board. This fucking fucking website, I swear.

>>93605066
No wonder Alex has wanted to fuck her.

>>93592426
>Probably the same asshole who insisted on slice of life instead of adventure action with story arcs and a main villain.

That was the budget, not any particular executive. They just couldn't do it.

>>93605066
>Quit after one season because she's a woman first and foremost who wanted to have a baby and butting heads against the wall of institutionalized retardation that is "show business" literally caused her to miscarry

Fix'd.

>>93606044
Welcome to new 4chan, where whining like a bitch gets you what you want and the points don't matter.

>>93592506
>It didn't even help popularize the character-driven genre for cartoons. Loud House is still a piece of shit where Lincoln is the main character and the others play support for him or are too 1 dimensional and boring by themselves.

Confirmed for not even having watched the show? Lot's of the sisters get their own solo episodes and focus, some chars (Lola, Ronnie, even Luna I think) have talked to the audience. Lincoln's way less the focus by season 2 then ever.

I quit at the end of Season 5, how is it currently? Is it worse?

>>93607754
S6 was a dumpster fire except for like 5 episodes. S7 is about half done and is okay so far, currently on mid-season hiatus. Newest episode was legit 10/10.

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>>93607637
She had a miscarriage because Craig has Neanderthal DNA.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35992612

Craig was just one in a million survivor.

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>>93587267
>SBBF was never picked up.
>We got Teen Titans Go! instead.
The pain has diluted over the years, but it's still there when I think about it.

>>93607754
You're a masochist. I quit 10 episodes into season 4.

>>93607865
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeowdc-wE7w

>>93607836
Oh damn.

>>93607865
Is she better or worse than Shimmer horse? Atleast her redemption was tolerable. I don't like the idea of villains like her or trixie getting redeemed and becoming 6th rangers/joining the main cast however.

>>93607867
Even Season 4 was more than anyone reasonable should've watched when fad-power died off.

>>93587267
No

>>93608006
>Atleast

>>93607852
But all white people have neanderthal DNA anon

>>93607861
Fuck sbbf, they should've picked up amethyst

>>93587267

>>93587267
BARREN
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>>93607737
Or are too 1 dimensional and boring by themselves.
Go suck on those baby toes, pedobear.

>>93610288
Ugh don't call me that, I am a proud homo sapiens. You're a garbage homo erectus who can't even impregnate a woman properly, let alone adapt to the environmental changes in europe.

>thinly veiled horse thread
Has /mlp/ ruined all chance of threads coming back here? Do I actually want that or is it just nostalgia?

>>93604931
>>93599566
>>93599405
>>93599475
Not you mental retards again. Aren't you the same idiots who took Sony's part when Faust quit Medusa?

I thought this was /co/. not /mlp/ - mindless looney pedophilles.

This is why we cannot have mlp threads on /co/ without absolutely banning /mlp/'s ISPs from /co/.

>>93611800
>He doesn't know
That meme is dead now anon.

How about musicals/songs? I don't watch SU, but I was surprised to hear that they have songs.

Pony could do so much more with the fantasy aspect. Hasbro owns WotC which is both D&D and MtG. They've been using generic mythological creatures and places, and party brought back their own flully creatures from the past series, but its really parcel. And its taken them this long to finally talk about the zeppelins, which are now both featured as an episode and on the movie.

>>93612478
What if they rebooted the D&D cartoon like they rebooted their other stuff?

Makes me wish Hub was still around.

>>93604847
I just found the first half of the season really underwhelming. Two episoes I'd have been crazy hyped for ended up being delivered by a monkey's paw.
Still haven't gotten to the "leaked" episodes. I'm moderately hyped for the Fluttershy one just because of the cuteness I've seen in some gifs.

>>93608006
>Trixie
She wasn't that much of an actual villain in her first appearance, and I always thought she could get the occasional pisode where she gets into trouble so the mane six could save her hide, or something like that. MAYBE a sorta solo episode or another for kicks, as long as the writers had a really fun idea.

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>>93612561
Hey, I agree. And then /co/ can discuss pony, but only with everyone on /trashmlp/ marked as miserable /b/ronies.

>>93612536
I genuinely like what they've done with trixie, making her best friends with glimmy

>>93590130
Theres an entire bar where everyone eats candy. The bartender literally has a wife made of candy.

>>93595516
>piss and poopycat fucked up by having no manager that shouted them to do their shit,right
I legitimately wanted it to work but god damn they literally used up all their money in the pilot

>>93613364
>that shouted them to do

>>93587267
Juspt going to point that in the year of the lord 2017,the show you tiptoed around calling it the "HUB show" is still the Voldemort of /co/ and it's fucking hilarious at how insecure you all are

>>93615453
I hope the movie does great, just for the excuse to have every movie compared to it. Its already starting strong with being traditionally animated.

>>93615453
>Horsefuckers are STILL using the insecurity meme
>SEVEN YEARS LATER

I just mods to remove GR15 for just one day just to see what happens.

>>93617164
That happened once and then /mlpol/ was born, and it was glorious.

>>93615453
No one here on /co/ is scared of MLP itself, they're annoyed that they could get banned for mentioning. People also get frequently banned for posting the wrong shit on Drawthreads, which is why a lot of people have dropped out of those, too.

>>93612448
Just like Lauren's kid

>>93615979
The US fucking up with the shadows in the trailer again has me worried, but the movie in itself looks nice.

>>93595878
It isnt like courage at all