When did it become cool to have open contempt for your audie

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JUST ASK MICHAEL BAY

>>93585730
As long as numbers are up, they dont fucking care

Before everyone defends the guys who don't buy female or diverse title characters, remember they're the ones making Gwenpool fail

>>93585730
Marvel has always been a fucking awful company. I'm not trying to imply DC is much better, but Marvel is basically worthless when it comes to anything but live action movies these days.

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>>93585730
Everyone hates their customer.

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>Posting a two month old article.
>>93585983
Gwenpool is shit, that is why it is failing.

>>93585730
2016 was good
2017 gets better

>>93585983
>Gwenpool is failing because of the 9 billion people in the world who do the give a fuck
I mean, it's technically right, if you could get everyone in some of those wiers African countries nobody knows about to read it then it would be considered successful
Makes me wonder why marvel Janet tried to appeal to people outside of America, maybe because then they would absolutely have to make a Better product
I mean having your non traditional hero comic fail to appeal to anything but your core audience you hate and blame for everything would raise we questions

>>93585983
Good Lord, Intern. Shut the fuck up.

>>93585730
>This is a personal opinion, but IMO launching a legacy character by killing off or humiliating the original character sets the legacy character up for failure. Who wants a legacy if the legacy is shitty?

Jason Aaron disagrees. He had Whor humiliate and laugh at Thor for months.

>>93585983
Can you imagine being so pissed that people here like Gwenpool that you false flag this fucking hard in every thread you possibly can about being a Gwenpool fan?

>April news
Go fuck yourself OP for posting

>>93585983
I don't buy them because marvel went from having nuanced characters with flaws and complications to characters everyone likes who don't have conflicts with other characters.

Hank Pym Beat his wife, Tony Stark was an alcoholic, the hulk was a dangerous powder keg, Captain America was always a bit out of sync with society, and Mr. Fantastic's marriage was always on the verge of failure due to his inattention to his wife.

The current roster and features marvel characters include

>an 11 year old girl who is "the smartest girl in the world." with a dinosaur
>Bro Hunk who was "the smartest person in the world." and people in the MU like and he never has to worry about being uncontrollable
>Captain Marvel went from a black woman to being a butched up blonde white woman who was an alcoholic but it never really becomes a significant complication anymore and she acts like a total asshole and people get upset about it for all of a comic and a half before they forget about it
>American Chavez who can do no wrong and who is loved by everyone, even people that she just met and who shouldn't have that kind of instant reaction to her
>A 15 year old who built an iron man suit from stolen technology who is also a super genius that everyone seems to like for no other reason that she is dressed like a female iron man
>the Unstoppable Wasp who now has a group called G.I.R.L. that wait for it happens to be full of geniuses who have no discernible personalities

Marvel is creating characters who get along with one another, who have no flaws, and who have homogeneous beliefs because if they created character who don't like each other or have flaws or have a viewpoint out of spec with the current marvel mode then those characters would be labeled as horrible bigoted characters and that marvel is being insensitive to marginalized people. Then they will tweet about how they are boycotting the comic in spite of the fact that they aren't buying marvel comics anyway.

>>93586011
That's because the live action films are separate from the comics/tv/animation division

>>93585730
>When did it become cool to have open contempt for your audience?


Fuck Marvel to death.

Fuck'em.

They lost me with Hopeless's murder-porn adventure, and they;ve done nothing to stop since.

Bendis is utter cancer, and it offends me that he's drawing a paycheck to wreck one of my most cherished hobbies.

Boycott Disney. Fuck those bastards, every single one, right in their liberal pocketbooks.

>>93587174
This. Every crossover is just a circle jerk now.

DC was doing this two years ago.

It'll all cycle back around again eventually.

>>93588261

disney doesn't have much influence over Marvel's comics, though

I can't make a joke that wouldn't sound like an actual threat so mnnnyeah Marvel! Mmnyyeah!

>>93585730
Marvel that literally had 50% of the dollarydoos in May's market and 45% of the units sold?

That Marvel?

Buddy, lern2clickbait.

>>93588478
You're fake news

>>93585730
fuck cosmicbooknews faggots
noose yourself you stupid autist
DnA was shitty too
ruined Nova
faggot

>>93585730

Oh man this was a bad stretch for Marvel. They also blamed DC for their LCS-friendly return policy. They said artists weren't "moving the needle" and weren't the main draw for comics. Spencer was getting BTFO left and right.

I hope Marvel realizes that they should just shut up and be positive while not pointing fingers.

> What the actual problem most fans have with these "diverse" characters is that they replaced already existing characters. Marvel did this with Richard Rider Nova, and it's been a miserable failure ever since. Marvel replaced Richard Rider Nova at the height of his popularity (and the Marvel Comics execs, editors, writers and artists were hostile and rude to the fans on top of things).
> Even Ms. Marvel writer G. Willow Wilson realizes this as she says on her web site:

>" This is a personal opinion, but IMO launching a legacy character by killing off or humiliating the original character sets the legacy character up for failure. Who wants a legacy if the legacy is shitty?"

Wilson always comes across as more reasonable than the man-children surrounding her

>>93588394
>Disney doesn't have much influence over [insert branch of Disney Corp. here]
I don't have a face for this. If you honestly believe Disney doesn't oversee everything that can affect their image or bottom line in any way, then you need a reality check.

>>93585730

I can understand having comtempt for your customers depending on your job. But Marvel just doesn't give a shit anymore they probably make most of their money through the movies and just let the SJW writers run rampant on the comics to shut tumblr up.

>>93589776
The thing is that, movies are awesome because they are frozen pieces of time. It doesn't matter if DC goes full cuck forever. We have Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman, two amazing, sensitive, theologically open counterpieces to the Dark Knight trilogy, and they exist and will continue to exist. They will continue to exist as they do even if literally every DCEU movie from now on is 45 minutes of Chris Pratt dancing. There it is.

When Disney decided Marvel Comics would be their political mouthpiece/virtue signaling center. Marvel Comics is now no different than the smug liberals who think it's okay to shit on anyone who dissents from the liberal dogma because they're on the "right side of history".

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>>93589902
I honestly can't even tell if Snyder poster are genuine or ironically shitposting anymore.
I don't think anyone can think the bible image in those are good, so I am going with shitpost.

>>93589902
That's right, you pin all your hopes on DC's "original" movie franchise concept proving that DC is the most innovative.
WHAT could go wrong?

>>93590138
>WHAT could go wrong?
They make money hand over fist?

>>93585882
This comment makes no sense, Bay loves his audience.

Btw, angry transformer nerds are nor Bay's audience.

>>93590138
This post intrigues me because I literally do not understand what you are trying to say. I pin my hopes on DC's [[not original]] franchise concept.... concept... like.... Zack Snyder drove to my house and pitched MCEU to me? You sardonically say this should prove DC is "most innovative" which I suppose blarbing their overall film plan to some guy on the West Coast would do...?

>>93590168

FunFact: *Batman*Forever* was a commercial success.

THAT is what making "money hand over fist" looks like.

Yeah, that's the Monkey's Paw wish you just made...

>>93589469
Disney doesn't really care. As long as Perlmutter keeps whispering sweet nothings to the other heads and as long as they keep it "family friendly" the mouse could care less about their comic division.

>>93590234
Are you dumb or something? How do you not know this?
DC is openly trying to mimic Marvel's connected movie universe concept, but without actually putting in the planning or scripting to already have an overarching plotline to follow.
It's going to be an epic trainwreck.
They don't even have the decades of continuous canon that Marvel does to frame a connecting storyline around.

>>93590418
This sounds like attempted damage control

>>93590572
If this is damage control, what the hell did it look like before the crash?

>>93585983

Well, I'm doing my part. I bought the second Gwenpool TPB today. I'll buy the third when it comes out. I enjoy the series.

>>93590540
>DC doesn't have decades of "continuous canon"
>All movies aren't basically made up as they go
Anon you have a lot to learn about uh, like, comics... movies.... basically all this shit.

>>93590622
MY. NIGGER. Welcome.

>>93585730
It is the fans fault though. They are all being racist and misogynistic because they aren't buying books like Captain Marvel and America.

>>93590418
Yeah... "family friendly" is going to be a problem.
Remember how when Iceman came out half of /co/ went apeshit and all the X-threads became 24/7 fights about whether or not Marvel had established enough foreshadowing for "Iceman fans" to "allow" him to come out?
(it was a whole thing)

Iceman wasn't the only "shocking" reveal that Marvel has been setting up for years.
And now that they've started what are the odds that they'll stop with him?

>>93590681
If not liking two of the biggest tools in the Marvel universe, then I am one raging Misogynistic Racist, half Mexican-Norwegian

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>>93590751
Woah, that's my racial makeup too

>>93590540
It's really not just DC though. Universal tried (and looks like they're failing) with the new Mummy movie, and even Sony wanted in on the extended movie universe bucks with Ghostbusters of all things.

There's a lot of money to be made with films that are in a lot of ways sequels to each other that has a guaranteed audience each time.

>>93590745
About as likely as the frozen head of Walt Disney waking up and realizing that his entire company is being run by Jewden

Hopefully soon

>>93585730
Jokes on them, I don't pay for any of it.

I don't know but Michael Moore was doing it long before.

>>93590781
Universal's "classic movie monsters" connected universe at least has the merit of being based upon the connected universe of Universal movie monsters that was established back in the 30s.
But unless Laurel and Hardy meet the wolfman in the next Tom Cruise movie I'm never going to so much as glance at any one of them. Ever.

You can just smell the epic fail on that wannabe franchise.
Even the inevitable Suicide Squad 2 has more chance of being a decent waste of time, no matter how much they awkwardly shoehorn Superman into it.

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They're right though. If you don't like it, just don't buy it

And if you don't want to buy it, then you have no right to complain because you're not even a customer, you're just some angry guy from the internet.

People out there are buying their books every month, and that's the crowd they'll listen to. Not the naysayer who screams "fuck Marvel! It's all shit! I'm not buying this!"

>>93591878
Buy Gwenpool

>>93587174
>Captain Marvel went from a black woman to being a butched up blonde white woman

I really don't understand how there are people who think Carol 'stole' the Captain Marvel identity from Monica. She gave up that name over 20 years ago, there were several other Captain Marvels between them.

>>93590745
>Iceman wasn't the only "shocking" reveal that Marvel has been setting up for years.

How is anyone deluded enough to believe there was some 'plan' to make Iceman gay, or that years of set-up were put into that?

>>93590622
>>93590653
Protip: Buying TPBs does not help save a currently running title in danger of cancellation. TPBs are often produced 6 or more months after a title is launched. Publishers look at the first few months of sales before they decide if a book lives or dies. Buying that TPB months after the fact doesn't do shit.

tl;dr say goodbye to your precious waifu, gwenshitters.

>>93585983
Happy to know I'm doing my part in destroying waifubait

>>93585983
This is a weird thing to say. Imagine if all Marvel's shitty nutitles failed EXCEPT Gwenpool. Is that so crazy? Go buy Gwenpool, ignore whatever shit the shopman tries to push on you, get it into your LCS's head there's at least one crazy dude who will buy Gwenpool month after month, you'll get something going. I've seen comic shops alter their orders based on one crazy fucker getting other people interested in something before. We can do this people---we can have our pink metajoke cake and eat it too. GO AND ASK FOR IT.

>>93585730
And yet they dominated the sales in May. Marvel can afford to be scummy because it has so many fanboys that will eat up any shit put on their plate and then ask for seconds.

>>93592031
>And yet they dominated the sales in May

By Scummy as fuck tactics. All their on going books are disasters.

>>93586011
DC is better because of Johns. The comic geek that somehow ended up running the whole show. He never wanted the New-52 in the first place so the first opportunity he get he apologized to the fans and started ditching it.

Marvel will never apologize.

>>93587174
>Bro Hunk who was "the smartest person in the world." and people in the MU like and he never has to worry about being uncontrollable
Confirmed for never even reading a single comic Cho is in

>>93585983
Gwenpool isn't a good comic.
Only intelligent people with spines stop buying comics they dislike. That sounds like the easiest thing in the world to some people, but marvel pisses off fans daily and still gets people buying their comics. Gotta attack Marvel with your wallet. Only way this works.

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when I was back in college studying marketing one of my peers did a presentation on comic sales and the need to create new diverse comics to "cash in" on the untapped market.
Myself and a few other people basically asked during questions whether she knew there was an untapped market, I drew the comparison with beer marketed towards women.
Women who already like beer don't want to be patronized with pink girly beer, and women who don't like beer as it is probably won't buy it for the presentation.
Our lecturer agreed with our criticisms but the girl maintained it was definitely something people wanted.

Years later and we can see in practice what literal marketing 101 students realized themselves, you can't tell people what they want, customers drive sales.

>>93592533
>you can't tell people what they want
Fuck you man, eventually if we keep trying people will fall in line because they won't have a choice in the matter.

>>93586020
Fans aren't Marvel's customers, comic shops are.
But to be fair, it seems Marvel hates comic shop owners as well.

>>93585730
sjws see themselves as "above" "the masses"

they see working/middle class people as "cattle" to be "milked" for their money

sjws are the worst elitists in existence

>>93588351
U wot?

Didn't DC say they'd misread the market and hence launched rebirth?

>>93592419
I read Champions, I know everything about him :^)

>>93592533
It's more like you can only tell people what they want to an extent

say you want a vacuum, correct marketing can convince you that you want a specific vacuum. On the other hand if you don't need a vacuum right now no amount of marketing will sell you one.

There is a diversity market for comics and correct marketing can sell comics specifically to them. The issues are that

1. the marketing tactic is not neutral to other demographics - whether this is because it will always be negative to that demographic or whether the chosen method is just really bad is irrelevant because regardless they've chosen to use it and stick with it.

2. the diversity market is not a sizeable market in and of itself. If it represented say 50% of all possible comic book buyers that would be something but in reality the non-white, non-male, non-straight demographic is minuscule in the super hero comic book niche.

>>93591989
Marvel makes an exception for titles intended for a different audience, which is why Squirrel Girl and Moon Girl are still around and why America hasn't been canceled yet.

>>93592126
Irrelevant, Marvel do scummy tactics 8 out of 12 months every year and nobody wants to stop them.

>>93585926
Well that's the problem, ain't it?

>>93589447
It's why she'll be going over to DC soon.

>>93588759
>market figures reported by the actual distributor are fake news

then you're fake news too

if the distributor doesn't know, nobody knows

>>93595589
Except retailers who complain about sagging Marvel sales and comixology's weekly top ten where DC always dominates.

>>93593322
>different audience

This meme has to stop.

>>93596035
It's true. The girls and womanchildren who buy SG/MG trades are not Marvel's Wednesday Warriors.

>>93596035
Meme? They're aimed at the YA/bookstore/women and schoolastic bookfair markets. Seriously, go on youtube and watch some "OMG MY JULY HAUL" videos. You'll see the same paper girls, saga, ms marvel, and squirrel girl books over and over and over along with their normie novel shit.

>>93589421
>They said artists weren't "moving the needle" and weren't the main draw for comics.

That's true, though. When was the last thread you saw on here about an artist that wasn't just shitting on them? Other than the couple of exceptions they mentioned in the original quote artists just don't have the cult followings that they used to get.

>>93596276
>girls and womanchildren who buy SG/MG trades
>>93596651
>YA/bookstore/women and schoolastic bookfair markets

These memes have to stop.

>>93596748
Is summer almost over?

>>93596748
The DC Superhero Girls OGNs have been very successful and some retailers have expressed a wish that Marvel move their crap into that format so it doesn't take up space that can be used by a title that actually sells.

>>93592533
The problem is that, while their current way of tackling it isn't exactly good, they HAVE to tap into a new market somehow, because as it stands now only caring about the nerd audience is just not sustainable. There's a reason the cancellation line gets lower and lower every year.

>>93596914
Sales are actually up from crash and post-crash numbers. The "we need a new audience" meme has existed for 20 years now. They just publish books that appeal to young nerds and they can maintain just fine.

>>93588261
It's not Disney....it really isn't.

If anything? The best we could hope for would be for Disney to assume direct control.

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>>93585730
I don't know, go ask anyone at Sony and see what they tell you

>>93586052
>Someone saved my edit
Neat
I should have grayed his hair

>>93585730
>When did it become cool to have open contempt for your audience?
During Superior Spider-Man, Marvel came out and said they wanted fans angry and upset, because they still bought the books but they were more engaged when upset.

Really because fans will buy any shit with their favorite characters on the cover, Marvel decided to sell shit

>>93592942
Yeah they apologized for New 52 and DCYou and said "we messed up let us make it up to you" and did Rebirth.

Meanwhile Marvel still defends shit like Ultimatum.

>>93587174
Many Marvel characters (Peter Parker, Bruce Banner, Wanda Maximoff, Wolverine, etc) had to deal with being hated and feared.

Now we have the likes of Riri, Moon Girl, and of course Carol, who are the bestest, most cleverest, most awesome heroes ever, who are loved by everyone).

It's good business sense to look for and try to cultivate new markets.

But you don't drop your already existing market (as Marvel has pretty much done) to focus on that market.

I'd have the main sellers like Spidey, then the team books, then some left-field solos, and a set of anthology titles with two to three strips focused on two characters.

Outrage marketing will never stop if you fucks keep whining about this. The whole point of marvel saying this is to piss people off so that hopefully some new fans look into marvel books after hearing all these horrible bigoted losers trashed the good progressive diverse books. It's the same fucking shit Sony tried with Ghostbusters. It can work for something like wonder woman that is at least "good" because people can enjoy it anyway, but it didn't work for ghostbusters and it won't work for marvel because at the end of the quality of the products are garbage.

>>93597601
Uh they're women they're hated by default don't you know?

>>93591969
because if we push that narrative hard enough, SJWs might freak out that Captain Marvel is played by a white woman when the movie hits and that'd be funny

>>93586669
Nice digits

>>93593025
>Marketing panders to minorities
>Marketing fails because minorities are the minority


Hmmm

>>93585983
Intern do not presume to use my waifu against me. Begone with your foul devilry!

>>93597787
Wonder Woman had no outrage marketing. That was done by some theater.

>>93592126
You really don't understand comic book publishing, anon.

Everybody is doing shit. DC? With their 25% sales? Those numbers are severely inflated by variants and price breaks for large orders. The more you order, the less per copy it costs and the more variants you receive. The variants sell on the collector market (to other LCS owners, mostly), the rest sells in part to fans and is mostly remaindered or recycled, either way basically going unsold, but you make a modest profit because of your variants.

That's it. That's all. A few very rich, probably to be fair quite intelligent but strangely obsessive individuals, and a few hundred thousand other people. That's the entire direct market, for which we have sales figures. Outside of that? Most of the money is in trade sales through booksellers to people you'd consider casuals; but they buy the same stuff in hardcovers, in bulk, for a lot of money - and they're worth almost twice as much again as the entire direct market.

Those are the people publishers should be aiming for, and only the publishers really know who they are. If they're all SJWs? If there's just 100 of them for every thousand floppy drones? Tough shit. They'll get the comics they want, because they spend more.

Welcome to the free market, bitch.

>>93598815
>Welcome to the free market, bitch.

/pol/ please we're having a conversation here.

>>93590622
>doing my part
>trade waiting
>buying a TPB off of fucking amazon because you don't leave your house
to be fair the third one is a complete assumption but you represent the epitome of cancer.

>>93598876
not him but kill yourself if that's your response faggot. grow the fuck up or get off the internet.

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>>93599035
>kill yourself
>faggot
>grow the fuck up
>get off the internet

>>93597787
>It can work for something like wonder woman that is at least "good" because people can enjoy it anyway,

The only outrage was over a theater thing where they had women-only screenings for Wonder Woman. That's not much of outrage marketing. Most of the talk about Wonder Woman up until the reviews came out was generally pessimistic because of all the rumors and WB's questionable track record with the DCEU.

Ghostbusters had outrage marketing which backfired on them because it was done to cover up how bad the film was. Arguably Fant4stic also had the same problem (where most of the articles were complaining about fans being upset about MBJ being cast as the Human Torch, and not much about the movie).

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>>93598876

Why is this board so obsessed with /pol/?

>>93592419
Heh marvel intern doesn't even read Champions

> people who don't read our comics are responsible for low sales of our comics

shocking.

>>93599613
No-one else likes seeing people cut into conversations about comics with BUTTHESJWWWWWWWS!!!11 as if sometimes having a black character was the end of the world.

>>93599836
I see where you're coming from and I agree with your sentiment, but the anon you replied to wasn't /pol/posting, they were just stating a theory on the state of the comic market

>>93599836
1. That post had nothing to do with /pol/.
2. SJW shit is why nobody buys Marvel comics anymore.
3. Merely having a black character isn't "SJW shit", and you're the only person who has ever said this.

>>93597787
>it won't work for marvel
Good. Let them keep digging their grave

>>93601024
>2. SJW shit is why nobody buys Marvel comics anymore.
That's only half the truth, if that much. Shit like bendis ruining GotG for example, forced (((SYNERGY))) messing up characters, killing off characters and generally going fo shock/outrage, shitting on the X-Men in favor of Inhomos, retcons up the wazoo and shit writing in general (their main writers suck, let's face it) made everyone lose interest as well.

>>93601241
I wouldn't even say it's so much it's just SJW stuff as much as it's the trend toward webcomic sensibilities in general.

Like, SJW stuff, whatever. The X-Men have been an allegory for persecution since inception. It's all in the execution, and theirs has been slipping lately.

I really wish Marvel could do lesbians without making them insufferable twats. When I wished on that monkey's paw for more lesbians in comic books, America's ongoing isn't what I wanted!

>>93601241
>>93601600
I disagree. SJW shit is the reason I don't buy anything from Marvel anymore.

You could say, "Well, it's just one bad author", or "just one bad story arch", but that's a completely bullshit excuse.

The sheer number of "blunders of the century" with literally everything they've been putting out, that somehow make it past their editorial staff and whatever senile drunk they use for quality control shows how fucking godawful their entire comics division is.

Unlike what this faggot said: >>93599836
, nobody has a problem with "black characters". They have a problem with SJW shit, and replacing all your main characters with "DIVERSITY" is SJW shit. Falcon used to be good before they tried to replace Steve with him, Whor was never good, "pregnant spider man was terrible", and America Chavez' ongoing is the pinnacle of everything wrong with Marvel.

>>93601816
See though from what I hear, America was actually a decent character up to that point. And then the comic has her break up with her girlfriend and be an insufferable ass.

>>93601816
>Falcon used to be good before they tried to replace Steve with him

I read afaik his first appearance as Cap by Remender and it was ok. Nothing special but a hell of a lot more enjoyable than Spencer's BLM horseshit.

> Whor was never good

She's a non-entity in her own book which is carried by secondary characters and the art. I honestly don't know how to describe her personality other than MUH CANCER.

>America Chavez' ongoing is the pinnacle of everything wrong with Marvel

I relatively enjoyed her in Ultimates but quit reading that when it got into CW2.

>>93601921
America has never been a good character. She was cheesecake with a chip on her shoulder under Casey and insufferably grumpy all the time under Gillen.

>>93585730
When a man with open contempt for everyone got elected president?

>>93585730
This thread keeps coming up since this article was posted 3 months ago. Stop complaining and just stop reading their comic books already.

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>>93590751
Lol wtf are you me?

>>93592359
>People honestly believe this.
If there's any problem with superhero comics as a whole, is people like Johns. It's the same thing Miyazaki was talking about when he shat on otakus. Comics are a circle jerk of fans writing for fans, which is why they're so stagnant and only when someone with a broader perspective on things comes along (like it happened with the Brits in the 80s and early 90s), it shakes things up and improves.
And if he was so against the New52, why did he stay to write that fucking godawful JL run?

>>93602570
Everyone has contempt for snowflakes anon.

>>93603664
I guess that explains his contempt for Trump

>>93585882
They sent him death threats for putting flames on prime so fuck then

>>93603715
The difference being that Trump is actually fairly unique of a person.

People who go "blonald blumphs is not my presirump" are not, they just think they are.

>>93603775
How?

>>93603775
How is he unique? In your own words

>>93585926
Numbers are down though

>>93590418
No company keeps open a unprofitable division. Marvel comics, while the sales are down big time, draws a profit. If that changes (which would be a nightmare scenario for the industry) the mouse will start firing people and install someone else. Or just shuttered outside of a couple digital only movie tie in shit.

>>93601241
>That's only half the truth, if that much. Shit like bendis ruining GotG for example, forced (((SYNERGY))) messing up characters, killing off characters and generally going fo shock/outrage, shitting on the X-Men in favor of Inhomos, retcons up the wazoo and shit writing in general (their main writers suck, let's face it) made everyone lose interest as well

Yeah there is a lot of blame to go around. It took a lot to get the zombies to quit. But they are

>>93587174
This.

Currently Marvel is completely shit. All the new characters are supposed to be infallible and that makes them unrealistic (even in comics standards).

>>93603784
>>93603789
It would probably be faster to name the ways in which he's not.
Everything from his mannerisms, to his Twitter posts, to his presidential campaign, to his acting/WWE/reality TV/business career.

Hell, all you have to do is end a post with "Sad!" to know you're doing a Trump impersonation. That's Loss.jpg level stuff.

>>93604151
So because he has celebrity status and brand recognition, he is unique? Just like every celebrity, I guess

>>93604346
Sad!

Are you claiming he's not?

>>93604467
Nope, you're right; he is the perfect example of a special snowflake.

>>93604494
If he were a special snowflake, he would be completely unnoteworthy.

I think being a SUPER SECRET RUSSIAN SPY AGENT, along with being LITERALLY HITLER are some noteworthy characteristics.

>>93604590
Yeah, because nothing says "special snowflake" like blending in and being unnoticed.

>>93603611
>if he was so against the New52, why did he stay to write that fucking godawful JL run?
Because he was a DC comic writer.

I was just listening to his Fatman on Batman interview from 2013 the other day and he straight up says that the New-52 was all Didio and Lee's idea. I've also heard that he was pretty upset that they decided to use his event to reboot the universe (he never meant for it to be used for that)

>>93604717
That's exactly what it means. How New are you?

>>93604929
Please, again in your own words, define special snowflake

>>93592762

>comic shops are

And who buys from the comic shops...?

>>93592799

Wow are you ever confused.

>>93591001
>You can just smell the epic fail on that wannabe franchise.
>epic fail
can you reddit fags atleast try to assimilate?

>>93604929
Someone who believes they're special or unique, without actually being special or unique.

You can generally tell them by their vagina hats, unnatural hair color, and think themselves intelligent for regurgitating lines they heard John Oliver say.

>>93605671
I like it. Everything you said has just been exactly perfect.

>>93605302
How so?

>>93603792
I thought Marvel numbers were shockingly high?

>>93605781
I believe each relaunch and yearly event is selling less, year-on-year.
(I haven't looked at the numbers.)

>>93605866
Im assuming most of those numbers were inflated by #1's.

>>93605910
#1s sell like crazy, I know that much for sure.

>>93605756
You're not.

SJWs are completely out of fucking touch with actually economically disadvantaged people.

Pretty much everything they support is either irrelevant or destructive towards the lower class, and generally only support more gummies for the welfare class.

>>93605781
In May Marvel had roughly 40% of the market share and 38% of the dollar share compared to DC's 31% and 28% and Images 12% and 10%, respectively. That's compared to April's 38% and 35%, 34% and 30%, and 10% and 10%, again respectively. It should be noted that for Marvel it includes something like 15 first issues, the Venom "legacy" renumbering, and three issues of Secret Empire. Marvel's doing slightly better than average.

>>93606887
That's depressing.

Who the fuck is buying their shit? SJWs don't read anything outside the most mediocre of webcomics.

Are "collectors" really so desperate that they'll buy literally anything?

>>93606887
>>93606925
Maybe most people just don't care that comic artist aren't rubbing their political dicks because they're not petty and self-entitled.

>>93606925
Going by the top 50 titles, it's all Secret Empire, GotG, X-Men, Star Wars, and Spider-Man; the first title that isn't related to those franchises is Black Bolt at #57. They have 20 titles in the top 50 and 50 in the top 100.

>>93607041
None of Marvel's "SJW" titles crack 30,000 unless you count Mighty Thor, which comes in at 35k.

>>93604875
Believing Johns shows how retarded you are, the guy lies all the fucking time. I like him as a person but aside from the spawn creator I can't think of any big writer more full of shit.

>>93605910
Inflated by #1s, overshipping and events. Also, Marvel is flooding the shelves with a shit ton of books, many of which are pulling in cancellation numbers.

DC prints less books than Marvel, their books are less expensive, and they still dominate the top ten list. DC may have less market and dollar share than Marvel, but that's mainly because they're putting out fewer, less expensive books. On Average, their individual titles have better sales than Marvel.

>>93606887
I think this might be because Marvel characters have better exposure due to all the movies they're pushing out, also the fact Marvel owns Star Wars now

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>>93587174
Its a storm of Mary Sues. I wonder if this vision is what drove Deadpool to kill the Marvel universe?

>>93607041
But that's literally all Marvel writers do.

>>93607041
That's why all of Marvel's SJW titles have been canceled or are at cancellation numbers.

>>93607313
No, it's just Marvel's usual tricks. Same ones they've been using for years to artificially inflate their numbers.

Although there was a period not that long ago where the only Marvel books in the top ten were for Star Wars.

>>93607313
You've got a decent argument for GotG, Star Wars, and even X-Men, but the current highest Avengers title is at 78 with 30k in sales. Iron Man titles are at 28k and 26k. Captain America has just shy of 36k sales for Steven and 18.5k for Sam - in the middle of a Captain America centered event.

>>93607478
Then why has /co/ been ceaselessly complaining about it for the past 3 months? Seems like the problem is fixing itself with the magic invisible hand of the free market.

>>93607598
...is 36k good or bad...

19 k for sam sounds bad

>>93607694
A lot of those titles, despite pulling lower than cancellation numbers, are being kept afloat because of alleged TPB, digital and Scholastic sales. Some, like Captain Marvel, keep getting relaunched over and over and over again, despite having historically poor sales.

>>93607759
For Marvel these days, it's better than average, but not exactly good. Really though, that's just middling to mediocre.

>>93607759
I remember when 36k was just okay, 19k would have been canceled on the spot.
Now 36k is good and 19k is a little about cancellation numbers.

>>93607825
Well either they're right and they are making money off of them, and hence, it's not your business, or they're wrong and they're contracting debts to keep their shitty comics going, and that's them fucking themselves over.

>>93585730
I respect people that can ridicule those that fund their livelihood and still manage to maintain their popularity and reputation. That's a truly Alpha mindset. Only those who are weak seek public approval, maintains a submissive outlook, and grovels for respect they believe they can earn.

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>>93588192
There's a good reason why Marvel Studios reports directly to Disney now. Perlmutter is the most spiteful jew to ever exist in the comics industry.

>>93606925

Who the fuck buys King's terrible Batman run? Who still buys Slott's Spidey? The same kind of people

>>93607759
It's okay. 19k for Sam is pretty low but not "don't expect to be around much longer" low if sales are stable. Honestly it'd probably be about what you'd expect for a Falcon solo.

Something that is often overlooked in these arguments is sales stability. It's safer to keep a low selling, but consistent, title than it is to cancel and launch a new title. Enough titles drop below the cancellation threshold per year to keep a rotation of new titles in play and it's better business to keep five consistently selling books, even if they're near cancellation numbers, and launch five new titles than it is to cancel those five books and launch 10 new titles.

>>93608215
>It's safer to keep a low selling, but consistent, title than it is to cancel and launch a new title.

No, its not.

It's actually everything wrong with capeshit.

Nobody ever dies FOR REAL, characters stop experiencing development, nothing ever changes, and everything goes back to the status quo at the end of "THE EVENT".

If they pretend to kill a character off, just get a clone, or one from "the multiverse", or time travel. Also slap tits and/or blackface on them if you want to pretend you've just written a new "character".

This is why Invincible is good, and the big two are smelly cunts.

>>93608850
What the fuck are you going on about? I'm talking about the economics of the market.

And Invincible, really? A series where the lead character has been disemboweled and his wife ripped apart on two separate occasions is being held up as the antithesis of "nobody dies for real?"

>>93587174
Is this why Gwenpool kinda Works? I mean she isn't the perfect combination of genius, female and liked by the whole universe. She barely wins and everyone hates her, not to mention her backstory.

Come to think of it, is Laura on this group as well? She surely had a lot of tragic backstory and flaws before but now I'm not sure.

>>93608952
>I'm talking about the economics of the market.
Which is inherently affected by putting out shit product.

>A series where the lead character has been disemboweled and his wife ripped apart on two separate occasions is being held up as the antithesis of "nobody dies for real?"
Yes, dumbass.

It's an established quality to their alien race, which made most Earth "threats" mostly insignificant to him, but when fighting against another Viltrumite, would get very brutal.

Main characters die, and I think only two were brought back with a very specific and already established method, not LOL MULTIVERSE JK

Things actually happen. They happen, and they have lasting consequences throughout the comic.

Characters undergo both development, and change, for better or worse.

The things that happen to them, like Robot being stuck in an alternate dimension for a thousand years, or Mark going missing from Eve for years on end, have realistic effects on the characters, which can be seen in their growth and development.

None of that happens in big two smelly cunt bullshit.

I'd say Invincible is close to being the only tolerable capeshit around, because they went to tell a story, are telling a story, and their only "event" is literally all the events of the story coming to a final climax.

But have fun pretending to give a shit about a character who's just going to get retconned next week anyway.

>>93609502
Gwen is a loser who doesn't know what the hell she's doing and everyone thinks she's a moron, but she wins despite herself. So yeah, she's kind of an exception. It might depend on where her story goes.

>>93609665
>>93609502
Her backstory is also the kind of complete loser NEET who buys comics, but about x10 as hot.

It's the perfect mix of escapism, where many can relate, yet have waifubait to look at.

It also manages to be funny on a regular basis.

>>93609502
Laura still has the exact same backstory, and is regularly fighting against self doubt

Hell she now has a sister to prod her about all her hangups and things she does that are self destructive

>>93609721
Whoever relates to gwenpool is a faggot. Loser NEETs are a disease and waifu fags are pathetic

>>93610296
I can relate and I only spent a year unemployed after graduating college. Been employed 3 years, but I know that feel of helplessness trying to find a job.

>>93610296
>Loser NEETs are
/co/mblr's userbase
>and waifu fags are pathetic
Agreed on that front, but Rule 63 trannies are even more of a problem than waifu fags.
Dishonorary 2nd place mention to "cheesecake" threads, /aco/ exists for a reason.

>>93610325
Guess that just makes you a faggot then, relating to a child living at home and getting shit on for not having a job is sad. Unemployed? Get your ass out there, no excuse to be jobless for a year, even a shit job is something till you find better, even if you think its impossible to find a job, a years a long time, work out, br social, start working on a skill, theres no excuse to relate to useless gwenpool, even people that are housebound with depresson dont relate to gwenpool because shes not in the fucking thorws of depression, shes just a lazy pandering "cute" faggot bait

>>93610423
>Been employed for three years
>hurr can't get a job? get off your ass faggot quit crying

>>93610464
You said you were unemployed for 1 year, theres no fucking excuse for that

>>93610423
>>93610464
I'm not either of you faggots, but someone who looks like Gwen would probably end up camwhoring or SuicideGirl shit for cash in real life.

>>93610503
Then it might be relatable to camwhores

>>93610519
No, because she doesn't. It only relates to >>93610331

>>93610497
Did I say I did nothing in that time? I just said my search took a year to bear fruit.

Turns out searching for jobs online is bullshit, go out and hand people your fucking resume. That's the lesson I learned. And no, don't settle for fucking McDonalds, you need a job in your field if you want to get a better job in that field. If you don't have experience that actually relates to a job, you might as well be starting off from the point of not having a job. It's a catch 22 and it's bullshit but that's where the job market is right now.

>>93610564
>Turns out searching for jobs online is bullshit, go out and hand people your fucking resume.

That's literally the worst advice I've ever heard.

Any job worth having will tell you to apply online, unless it's something like "bartending", in which case you have to be charismatic, which describes absolutely nobody who posts on /co/mblr.

>>93610564
I found a job in my field while working a shit warehouse job breaking my back for 6 months when i was finished college, you take what you can to get yourself in a better place, dont think your above any job, just because you work at a mcdicks doesnt mean your math degree is useless or you cant get work in your field.

>>93610564
>If you don't have experience that actually relates to a job, you might as well be starting off from the point of not having a job. It's a catch 22 and it's bullshit but that's where the job market is right now.
(this part is actually true, though. It gets a tad easier with the more experience you accumulate, but right out of college trying to get a job within any given degree is like trying to get a decent job being a highschool dropout.)

>>93610600
I did the same thing, and my experience meant fuckall.

I worked as a contractor in various lab jobs before getting stable employment, and my LOL RANDUM ASSEMBLY LINE job was a complete waste.

Gwen isn't supposed to be relatable in a positive way. You aren't supposed to see her and go 'I'm so proud to be a NEET like Gwen' just like you aren't suppose to look up to Iron Man's drunk ass or Cap'n Nazism. The whole point of capeshit is heroes getting over adversity to save the day. You're not supposed to identify with their flaws, you're supposed to cheer for them to overcome those flaws and then rejoice when they triumph.

So when someone says they identify with Gwen because of their flaws, then maybe you're a lose after all. One thing is understanding her struggle, and a much different one is identifying with her flaws.

>>93585730
Clickbait. Marvel is talking about people not buying what they don't like, not shitting on fans for low sales. Way to manipulate their words for clicks.

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owww is this a marvel hate thread can i join in
marvel is shit!!!

>>93599613
/co/mblirinas who refuse to leave and I sits on making /co/ one of their safe spaces.

>>93610735
This isn't /v/. Up your troll game. And get some fucking /co/ related reaction images next time.

>>93610808
i couldn't find any and sharks are cool
there are many shark related super heroes like um shark man and sharkacons and sharkteens

>>93610503
>Gwen starts camwhoring
>She says she isn't ashamed of her body and the world is full of prudes
>Besides, she's an artist and artists can do these kinds of things
>The money is pretty good but she enjoys the attention
>Thinks she's building a community
>She starts really putting her back into it, making props and fun costumes
>Her rank goes up and up
>More and more rude, demanding asshole start showing up
>Some have money, though, and her regulars are mostly still around so it's okay
>This carries on for a year or so
>She's realizes she's given up on art and is spending all her time cam modeling
>Her regulars have almost all disappeared and she realizes she's mostly performing for idiots and assholes
>Starts applying for jobs again
>Realizes she's now not only a high school drop out but a high school drop out with a missing year of work
>Starts to feel trapped
>One night she doesn't close the door to her room all the way and her father nudges it open mid show.
>VERY mid show
>He's absolutely livid and threatens to disown her
>He stomps down stairs and starts yelling at her mother
>Where did they go wrong?
>He finally cools down and goes up to talk to her
>She's not in her room
>He begins to search in a panic
>Finds her passed out on the bathroom floor
>Pill bottles are everywhere
>He rushes her to the hospital and she lives but she's in a coma
>She dreams she's on a comic adventure
>She's happy there

>>93610858
Spoiler that shit, anon.

I didn't want to know how the author's life turns out

>>93610632
how do you get lab jobs before graduation?

>>93610952
I didn't. The best you can get at that point is internships, and nobody told me how important those were while still being in college.

I worked for a contracting company that would basically find you temporary employment as a "lab technician" (or, in my first case, an assembly line worker).

They found me about three shitty jobs until I had enough experience to find one on my own.

>>93610991
My school has a great chem program so I do those when I can but usually I don't do shit in summer and it's irritating.

>>93611076
Do as many as you're able to.

Nobody gives a shit about "a guy with a degree in this field". That's what everyone who applies has.

A guy who has a degree in the field, with any amount of prior experience, puts you ahead of everyone else applying right out of college.

Nobody told me that shit as an undergrad.

>>93603611
Stan Lee always wanted to please the fans. Claremont's X-Men run was filled with pop culture ripoffs of their time. If anything, maybe british writers were a mistake.

>>93608850
>
Nobody ever dies FOR REAL, characters stop experiencing development, nothing ever changes, and everything goes back to the status quo at the end of "THE EVENT".
...And? If the story is good and it's well written, who cares? The problems is the current Marvel favored writers can't meet these prerequisites.

>>93609502
Laura... sorta grew out of it.

>>93586073
This much is true

>>93607317
I thought that was more having a serial killer replacing his usual inner thoughts.