With anime, there is far too many to watch. But for western

there's more western cartoons then anime you fucking retard

>>93581698
because slave labor is still forbidden in the murricas

>>93581722
Do you know how much anime there is? It's a lot.

>>93581722
Not per season, you're thinking of shorts that use to be shown before the main feature was shown.

>>93581698
I can't even tell what the OP's pic is trying to say

>>93581724
Thats only for the low end studios, the major ones pay at least 2000 yen a hour.

>>93581698

Because the Japanese literally get worked to death to produce the sheer volume of content they put out every season.

>>93581698
Japan still has legalized slavery

>>93581801
Not all studios are like this (only a few) and Abe is trying to fix that.

>>93581722
japan has hands on roughly 80% of the worlds animation yearly.

>>93581822
Uhhh...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Japan

>>93581698
They're too busy churning out live-action and reality shows.

>>93581698
>western
western doesn't mean only USA 4chan

>>93582060
People want quality hand drawn animation on TV/net streaming since features are all CG, it's why normies hate the Cal-Arts & Tumblr styles.

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>>93581698

Who are you and why do you keep posting troll pictures with randomly blurred parts?

I'm not the only one noticing this, am I?

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>>93582155
It's a edited picture about WITCH that someone replaced with Daffy Duck because it made more sense.

>>93581698
Would you rather have a fuckton of cartoons that are fucking shit and poorly made and have only a few good cartoons, or have most of your cartoons be good quality with only a few exceptions?

anime is fucking shitfite me

>>93581698
Quality over quantity. Considering the West originated animation and comics it does not matter. Just more of Asian countries taking something America invented and trying to make it as if they were the first (Film, Cars, Comics, Animation, etc). National appropriation.

>>93582263
Cartoons being shit is what we have right now, modern anime may be in a runt but it's leagues better then what western animation is now.

Thank god Animaniacs is coming back.
http://tvline.com/2017/05/30/animaniacs-reboot-plans-wakko-yakko-dot-returning/

>>93582263
>or have most of your cartoons be good quality with only a few exceptions?
Where is this the case?

The West has a massive quantity of cartoons too, it's just that the vast majority of them are marketed to toddlers

>>93582379
>Where is this the case?
The 1940s.

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>>93581698

>>93581791
this is not true even though most popular studios in japan are still forced into basically slave labor there's plenty evidence out there documenting this just google it

>>93583166
Akihito already fixed Nakamura Pro after this whole issue happen and Nakamura Pro is not a major studio.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2qprjj/i_am_an_animator_from_ny_who_moved_to_japan_and/

>>93581698
Why can't I watch both and skip the stuff I don't like?

>>93582647
Which side is Ducktales and Gummi Bears fighting for?

>>93583357
The good side.

>>93581825
No, a lot of the studios are like this. Those who draw comics are treated similarly too.

Japan overall has a "Work yourself to death" mentality no matter what job you have.

>>93582116
>normies
Don't you mean 4chan?

>>93584636
Yes, lower end studios.

Abe is trying to fix it.
>>93584644
No, normies; Why do you think theres a demand for quality hand drawn animation as of the past couple of years?

>>93581698
I have no idea what does this chart means

>>93584798
I work in Japan and he isn't doing shit. Premium friday is a joke. People still working themselves to death. Japanese companies just find work arounds and Japanese people don't understand the concept of not working 4 hours overtime daily.

>>93586510
You can blame North Korea, once Korea is unified under southern rule Abe will put his cash when the wallet is at.

Trying =/= doing, their main foucus right now is stoping North Korea.

Premium Friday just started, give it time and more places will adapted to it.

The big shots don't work themselves to death, otherwise Akihito will here about it as was the case with Nakamura Pro & (not animation related but still) Konami, the later he's warning about ex-staff member to avoid talking about the company when trying to find a new job.

>>93582647
Are we back to hamster girl fucking? o-okay then...

>>93587327
No, that was never the case.

>>93583265
Because that would be reasonable and sensible, things that don't belong to this board.

>>93587745
Well it's now time to do such a thing.

>>93581698
Western cartoons have less static scenes and parts where characters only move their mouths.
Japanese "animation" has always consisted in doing the less animation possible.

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>this thread again
come on, you know there are good and bad things from both sides. All you need to do is to find the good ones. Also, pic related is a complete garbage that anime/manga industry produced recently.

>>93588711

Why is that garbage if it looks exactly the same as all other Anime?, the Anime world is a single world, all Anime are the same story from the POV different Anime people at different times and places.

>>93589061

You missed the "cartoons cant be waifus because waifus cant be ugly" moto the waifu community at Reddit has.

>>93589092
Invalided and only for Loud House.

>>93582077
It will once the wall gets built.

>>93589072
that manga digresses and ran out of ideas 7 years ago, and got dragged on for another 6 years. Also, the writer is a compete untrustworthy idiot, and his supporters are idiots as well.

>>93589092
>tfw get shit on every time I mention my waifu around non-/co/ users
>tfw always have to explain myself
>tfw everyone thinks I'm a fucking retard which I am but not in this context
I should have never told anybody.

>>93589302
Canada will still be a thing. No wall there.

>>93581698
Because the talent gets funneled into vidya, storboarding for theatrical films, or the major animation movie studios

>>93581825
Abe is trying to stop the overworking mentality?

>>93590328
That and underpaid workers yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_law#Japan

>>93590328
Can't build a co-prosperity sphere if your people are too busy to die from overworking to breed.

>>93590381
I think you mean, "too busy fapping to their 2D waifus to breed".

>>93590381
They really need to adapt the methods of Cultural Marxists and subtly place "stop overworking yourself to death, get married and breed" messages in media.

>inb4 /pol/
Cultural Marxism is an actual thing though, then again that's how any form of Marxism is spread, subtle propaganda seeded throughout media. Eventually people see it enough and the attitude shifts. Abe just needs to use government funds to push "take a fucking break from work and have some kids" in Japanese media

>>93590427
No, it's overworking/locking your country for 200 years before Commodore Perry shown up.

>>93581698
westerners are entitled shits without business ethics who take 52 weeks off a year

>>93590513
No they are not, they do not take 52 weeks off.

>>93581698
People make this exact same argument for comics vs manga.

>>93581698
I'm assuming there's not even half as many active animation studios in the west compared to Japan. We also give even the shittiest of cartoons continuous seasons so that eats up a lot of room for new creative ideas.

>>93589061
>>93582647
These 2 are just the hidden summoning of Famicom and TMSfag.

>>93582438
This one had a point tough and was actually updated properly, put that instead of famiTMS summon.

>>93582226
They look like they have the same fucking chin.

Are they referring to what I'm pretty confident is supposed to be the bottom lip?

>>93581825
Abe hasnt done shit

>>93589072
Maybe you should watch better anime if you think anime is only just about high school

>>93591896
>as I work in the animation industry
Since when. Post your work Famicom

>>93586510
And is it worth it? Like, on the margin, do those 4 hours of overtime make a big positive difference to the output? The common theory (though it's admittedly one pushed by labor unions who have their own agenda) is that after 7-9 hours of work the quality of the output decreases, especially for skilled and creative labor, so it isn't worth it. Having your workers well rested and not grumpy from overwork, they say, brings better long-term results than squeezing those extra hours out of them.

>>93582263
>shitfite me
Eww. Are you a chimp?

>>93582438
>>93582647
so when is the DCEU vs MCU starter pack coming out?

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>in japan they underpayment animators who make keyframe animation and send it over to korea for inbetween ing

>in america they overpay animators resulting in no animators getting hired in america to actually, you know, animate, they just make storyboards and ocasionally once in a blue moon keys, and send the barebones to koreans who don't know what the fuck to do with it so they basically redo everything from scratch every time. The only studios that animate in house are indies or toonboom puppet animation farms.

2d american animation doesn't fucking exist, and I'm saying this as someone who was dumb enough to graduate from calarts and actually has a gig.

>>93581698
Lead time for anime is much shorter, which means they can make more shows in any given year, but they are constantly laying the tracks in front of the train as it moves and if anything goes wrong then the show;s animation can go to shit even with a high budget. Look at something like Unlimited Blade Works which was based on a huge franchise, and its second half looked like complete ass besides the final fight simply because they never had any time.

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>>93581698
I think both American and Japanese television animation is flawed, albeit in different ways. I am talking purely visually. The following is my list of gross generalizations about the strengths and weaknesses of both.
- American animation generally limits itself to a few simple camera angles. Japan has much more varied and cinematic camera work and doesn't shy away from Dutch angles.
- For my taste most Japanese animation severely underuses squash and stretch. This is my biggest complaint with anime. It results in a kind of mechanical pseudorealism in motion. At times it feels as repressed by the limitations of real-life physics as Western rotoscoped stuff despite not actually being rotoscoped.
- Japanese animation has much more elaborate lighting and hands down wins at special effects. US Americans use simplistic lighting by comparison.
- The US animates at more frames per second, which results in more fluid character motion. Anime can be embarrassingly choppy.
- Western characters vary more in their body and face type within one work. (But Europe is still better than the US at this.)
I think that in recent years Western-influenced anime has had the most visually interesting animation: FLCL, Little Witch Academia, Kill la Kill, Panty & Stocking, etc.

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>>93593178
/a/ is a lot more secure about their preferred medium than /co/ is.

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>>93593195

>>93593195
Where is the top left screencap from? It looks interesting.

>>93582155
He's Famicom. Notorious shitposter and sub-human deviantart autist. /a/ deletes his threads on sight but we have to put up with him because mods are a fucking joke.

>>93593195
oh god whats the name of the one on the bottom 2nd from the left? I remember watching that one on the scifi channel

>>93593315
same poster again, it was Iria, memory finally clicked

>>93593203
70s is best

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>>93593369
Possibly.

>>93593178
>/a/ likes alot western cartoons
This isn't about liking either, it's about preferring one over another. This is was these shitty threads has always been about.

>>93593028
2d animations doesn't exist in the west.
https://youtu.be/9sDvfaZpZMY

>>93582263
>have most of your cartoons be good quality with only a few exceptions?
Except the majority of western shit is horrible quality.
>No story or over arching plot
>Long time between episodes
>Shit animation

>>93581936
Uhhh...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsourcing

>>93593195
The best thing?
Moeshit has showed it's ugly rear to the West and is actively spreading here.
Shit like MLP and the Loud House maybe mediocre with the target audience. But it is a huge hit with the adult males.

>>93593144
I'd mention character design as well. Western shows have a lot more freedom in character design while Japanese shows generally adhere to roughly the same, safe design.

>>93594397
Don't mess with success, as they say.

Calarts.png
DisneySameface.gif
DreamworksFace.apng

>>93593195
Maybe but even then they do complain alot about it too. /a/ isnt some kinda weeaboo place where they think that anime flawless medium

>>93593369
That is wierd way to spell 80s

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Why fight?

>>93582328
It's gonna be shit

>>93594885
Just your usual shitposting. Making East vs West threads should be a banable offense, they produce no discussion of value, only repeating arguments and a shit ton of bait and strawmanning.

>>93594355
>Moeshit has showed it's ugly rear to the West and is actively spreading here.
It's almost as though there is such a thing as human nature and when you find a key to it it opens doors on every continent. Take that, Foucault! Or maybe Western young men are becoming "herbivores" like their Nipponese counterparts and are turning to moeshit for that reason. That's a plausible pessimistic interpretation.
>MLP
I thought the horse show was a pretty big success with its primary target audience. Am I wrong?

>>93595024
>Making East vs West threads should be a banable offense
They should be automatically moved to >>/bant/.

>>93582226
>eyebrows in front of hair

One off my pet peeves

>>93589072
I can't quite tell whether you're an ESL who can't articulate himself properly, a troll, a bonafide moron or all three at once.

>>93581698
>I'll take cherry-picking for 400, Alex.

>>93591896
>as I work in the animation industry
Yeah, sure you do..

>>93593144
Honestly, I couldn't say it better myself. But there is a few issues with the argument:

-American animation can get pretty choppy too, even disregarding bad outsourcing or shitty flash, shit like Paddy the Pelican or those late-60s WB cartoons still exist.
-I feel anime abuses front and profile angles just as often as the US abuses 3/4 angles.
- I can think of many an anime that has had little to no shading on its characters. Heck, there's not a whole lot in that KlK pic you posted, so it's an issue that plagues both sides, even if the US is more guilty of it.

>Haruhi with short hair

Ew.

Basically, Japan produces 80% of the animation in the world.

>>93581722
You have no idea how many animes are out there. Japan produces more than 100 animes every year

Bad cartoons are usually "bad" for really defined reasons, like excessive toilet humor or randomness or something else which you actively realize is bad. Bad anime is just fucking forgettable; instead of watching something markedly bad it's like watching nothing at all. I watched all 12 episodes of Tokyo ESP and I legitimately remember fucking nothing about it.

Obligatory post mentioning the superiority of French /co/ntent over US and Japan.

Quality > quantity

>>93599778
Does this imply that Western cartoons are more varied or experimental?

>>93600396
But even then we hardly get quality here in west nowdays

>>93582647
>>93582438
>>93589061
>no gundam or Flip flappers webms
You tried

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/a/ waifus poster Herr, why are cartoon girls so fucking ugly?

>>93601190
Anime is a subset of cartoons.

>>93581698
Is Haruhi dead yet?

>>93594355

That is not what moe means you retard, "cute" is not the same as moe, only manga style can be moe and cartoons are disgustingly ugly not moe.

>>93593413

/a/ hates cartoons wtf are you talking about they look disgusting and poorly made!

>>93601230

Anime are not cartoons because they are not ugly.

>>93601336
>>93601305
>LARPing as /a/ on /co/

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>>93582438
This one?

>>93582647
>>93589061
Yeah, these are just TMSfagging summoning. fuck off.

>>93599594
And most of them are shit.

>>93590235
oh trust me, those damn dirty syrup jockies are next.

>>93593203
I miss 90's experimental stage

Saber Marionette is a gem

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>>93593385
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L93-7vRfxNs&list=PL5wIANSfIdw_7vtJe9T5Y5WTiF2kAnZoW

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>>93601260
KyoAni buried it long time ago, does not help that Nagaaru is NEET. For the Cherry on top, Aya Hirano got tired of anime business unless loadsamone are in the game. It's beyond repair to this point.

Pachinko still doing good

>>93602391
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI1ETfJ_HSM
Interstella 5555 is well worth watching in full.

>>93602426
>i can totally related to her
>related
That's more of a Japanese thing.

>>93601264
Oh come on, the big fat eyes in MLP were a dead giveaway. They even use Tsurime and Tareme on them.
They clearly copied the relevant shit out of Moe and applied them unto their pones.

>>93601501
Most of everything is shit.

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>>93602973
>anime invented big eyes for exaggerated expressions

One very valid point that I never see made in those threads is that anime isn't a stand alone thing and rely heavily on other correlated media: LN, VN, videogames and especially Manga. Each season anime originals are a small minority.
American animation failed to create this kind of synergy (in part because the comics industry is fucking shit).

>>93603018
I don't need to prove you anything. You will see for yourself within 5 years, once this fad catches on and everyone wants to be on the moe train.

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>>93603245
It's the other way around, idiot. Since big eyes started being used for maximum expression in the good olde political cartoons, people never stopped using it
The thing is you could not add so much detail on "ink blot" classical cartoons, so the classic Mickey Mouse eyes were the weapon of choice for some time.
However, it's way older than you think, just take any Disney Princess sheet and see how usually their eyes are 2/3 of the face. In fact, proportion-wise, some Disney princesses have bigger eyes than you average anime girl.

>>93603385
She looks kinda fat in her side views.

>>93599594
Yeah but do cartoons online like newgrounds and YouTube count?
Cause if so fucktons are made every year, too.

And even if they didn't, there's still lots of cartoons overlooked cause we narrow our focus on our interests.
There's all those cartoons for like NickJr or Sprouts or PBS. The occasional few adult cartoons from MTV, Comedy Central, or HBO. Plenty of stuff just churned out like the flash made Total Drama series.

>>93603200
>Each season anime originals are a small minority
These days there are usually 3-5 original anime per season, averaging out to 12-15 per year. That's not as good as 10 years ago, but there was a noticeable reduction in original anime after the global economic recession and numbers only started to recover in about 2012 or so. At this point the market share of original anime is pretty good, they are the third largest category of anime source material. Manga is still the largest by a very wide margin, they make up like 40% of all anime source material. The 2nd largest is books, which includes both regular novels and light novels, and even still it's only like 1% more than original screenplays, they both sit at around 13%. Everything else trails by a lot.

>>93603385
Wow an actually well-reasoned response and not some snarky bullshit.
OK I will consider looking it up.
But you can't deny that lately shows with a female heavy cast (disregarding whether the MC is male or female) have hit it off fairly well and that it kinda invites other cartoonists to go the same way.
I mean most of these moe blob animes are based on cute retarded girls doing cute retarded things in a slice of life settings. MLP and Loud House are essentially doing the same thing. And the basementdweller audience is actually buying into it.

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>>93603644
You are jumping from one argument to another

Loud house characters have the exactly opposite of what you are saying. They have button eyes and huge round heads, in a more traditional cartoon sense. Just like Steven Universe and Adventure Time. Contrary to the meme, that's not a "CalArts" style, but just a classic cartoon style, anyone who ever watched old Fleischer cartoons or early Disney stuff can see it clearly.
Now, about the supposedly "moeshit" story telling that you are complaining, it's pure cherry picking. Bambi can be considered a SoL movie, with a few drama parts here and there, and lots of "cute" stuff all around, and it was declared Walt Disney favorite movie.

So, is the use of the word calarts some kind of signal that can be used to identify that TMS/Famicom shitposter?

>>93603828
It's just another scapegoat meme. In the typical fashion, it tries to convey one really specific thing when it's actually vague and empty. You can call anything you don't like CalArts pretending you understand anything about character design, and yet get praised for that, since the meme fits in.

TL;DR - a shitty buzzword that often goes along with SWJ, Tumblr, feminism, leddit and other kinds of shitposting

>>93603644
Big eyes by japanese animation were actually inspired by Betty Boop

Try again

>>93600615
I think there have been eras where you could easily mix up the shows, like in Hana Barbara era and the early 00's

>>93593178
Whose the girl in your pic?

>>93604471
Shut the fuck up, you piece of human garbage.
You ruin every thread you touch.

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What is the Haruhi of /co/

>>93604571
Idk what that is, but why is that girl's glasses set two inches above the bridge of her nose?
Why give her a fucking tiny almost non-existent nose if you know it doesn't make sense and POINT THAT OUT by setting her glasses to show "here's where her nose SHOULD be".

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>>93604571
Not a cartoon but Haruhi was Japan's answer to Bruce Almighty.

>>93604757
>Panty & Stocking is a insult to the industry, we watch anime because we want detail and construction and if anime becomes just as flat and life less as western cartoons are now we're better off watching Bojack Horseman.
Nice to out yourself as a faggot

>>93604571
At the rate it's progressing Star Vs.

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>>93604773
It's just cute man, don't worry about it.

>>93605168
>Physical deformaties are cute
I bet you also fond mutants attractive, ya sicko.

>>93605283
Well duh. Emma Frost is hawt.

>>93604757
>Fuck your arguments, here's my troll chart

Kek

Well, the problem with every new anime is that you never know when or if they'll make it passed S1. Most animes don't. This is because the anime industry is completely ass backwards.
>make s1 of something
>rely completely on LN and manga sales for a S2

They need to come up with a new model for producing anime.

>>93605449
Well maybe if they start airing their stuff earlier they can get a 2nd season with out leaching off of LN, merch and manga sales.

>>93605485
Hell, even extremely popular anime can take 3-5 years for a S2. Just look at Attack on Titan.

>>93605544
Hence star airing it earlier, like when people are actuality awake.

>>93605844
>star airing it earlier

>>93606790
Why not, there has not been a shake up since Pretty Cure, now is the time.

Anime right now is king. America and majority of the west care little about animation that isn't aimed at kids. The few that isn't for children are for man children of shitty stoner humor or once in a blue moon oscar bait.

Meanwhile Japan is actually make shows that are for teens and adults that are more than just edgy gore humor and soap boxing. An unironic fact is anime is for mature people because western animation is almost exclusively made for children.

>>93607318
This will like to have a word with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWnWwN1z_UM

This show was made for all ages.

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>>93607985
weak try famicom/tmsfag

>>93608142
Uuuh, kid.......
>>93604757
>>93593178
>>93589061
>>93582647
>>93581698

>>93607835
>troll carts

>>93609061
>They are not.

>>93607679
and it aged like fuckin milk because of it

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>People unironically being weebs

>>93609771

>fall asleep in class
>wake up with anime girl drawn on my hand
>get called a web

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>>93602495

All this is wrong except the part about Tanigawa.

Aya Hirano still voices anime, hell she voiced Haruhi herself in that dumb spin off not long ago and did a new song and audio stuff just last year. The ONLY thing stopping it from being made is Tanigawa going full neet.

Nothing to do with Kyoani, Hirano or Endless Eight or any of the other issues people make up. It's all at Tanigawas feet.

>>93610001
The shorts that were overly focused on celebs of the time did not age well at all, you fucking retard.

>>93599594

Mostly filled with panning and minimal animation. Stillimation.

>>93609092
>>93609061
There's one of em that is not a troll charts, and TMSfag is backtrolling his own.

>>93610064

They did the only parts of the first video someone today might get are the 3 stooges and marx

>>93610146
That ebaumsworld video was about WWII.

Come back with those threads once you guys start coming to /co/ with hope instead of misery

>>93610164

>first video

Lrn to read

>>93605449
>>93605485
Why are light novels a thing and how are they distinct from, you know, illustrated novels?

>>93603245
>tfw betty boop & donald duck got copied for anime big eyes

>>93603524
I'd say that they should count, especially with the fact that there's tons of indie shit that japan has that people like counting. things that are published online by studios should especially count

>>93603791
the thing that everyone that I've talked about it with is more that the main characters have it & they're more or less the same general shape
even if there are tons of characters in TLH that have the face, it's nice to see that the main character doesn't

iirc, two of the faces on the calarts meme (steven & gumball) don't have creators who went to CA anyways

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>>93581698
Because anime collectively churning out new series often results in fucktons of absolutely forgettable, low effort garbage. If you try to put out 100 shows in one season, chances are that only one or two will be good. It's basically shovelware animation.

>>93601493
What's the deal with that MIDORI th....

>Look it up
>First image....


O________O

hey, i've been looking all over for it
does anyone have the webm of the r&m animation vs the ghibli film?

>>93610738
That one should be added to this chart as well >>93601493
Even though I know is a bit misleading, since the anime movie is not Ghibli, and the R&M clip is from a game.

>>93609771
Do you even know what it means?
Fucking kids cant understand that if you like anime or anything japanese related you arent weeaboo.

>>93610710
I think that having seasons isnt bad but dont have like 60 shows in every season.
20 was fine back in day

>>93605449
Having series with only one or two seasons is completely fine.

I'd even argue that one of the problems with American animation is that if a series is in any way popular it will be dragged on for seasons until all the perceived value has been extracted. This limits how many new shows get created as the creative focuses on the same old.