With anime, there is far too many to watch. But for western

because unions

COnsidering that 90% of anime are just the same shit and MOE has taken control of the anime industry, I am glad we only get cartoons when they actually put thought into it.

Because most westerners aren't human work machines like Asians. Those guys have one hell of a work ethic.

>>93568867
>implying starfire is a cool beauty

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Maybe because there isn't a cultural impetus to dull the minds of Americans with an infinite supply of juvenile distractions to keep them mollified and happy with the inevitable socioeconomic implosion they're facing as their useful workers age out of the workforce and are supported by NEET worthless eaters.

>>93568867
Labor cost
I still dont know why disney wont outsource all their cartoons to the east since its cheap labor

The big difference is that Japanese studios are allowed and expected to work their employees to death for inadequate pay because it's part of the culture over there. It's pretty much the exact opposite of the way American studios do business. Not that Americans don't work hard, animation is challenging, time-consuming work no matter where it's being done, but here, there tends to be a line drawn where the workers can so "okay, quitting time, let's call it a day and pick this back up on tomorrow/on Monday". The work/life balance is a more closely valued concept in the west than it is in the east.

>>93568887

>when they actually put thought into it.


You don't really believe this do you?

>>93568955
more than anime

>>93568926

But that exact scenario happens in burgerland too, the diference is that they still like to fuck eachother.

>>93568973

>more than anime

You don't really believe this do you? I don't even want to start a east vs west discution but, dude, come on.

>>93568991
i do a good example would be isekai-shit clones

>>93568991
He is right though, anime is just the same cliches over and over again

>>93568887
Even if 90% of anime is shit, that leaves the 10% which is far more than what the west has.

>>93568867
because japan a shit
just like that hack director who blew all his budget so the last part of the movie is not in color

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Oh boy is it time to bully /co/fags that don't watch anime?

Something no one in this thread as mentioned.

In the after math of worldwar 2 japan invested MASSIVELY in its animation industry as a way to create jobs, it worked out and has continued.

Japan has a huge animation industry even though its such a small country.

>>93569025
>mob psycho
>good example
whew i thought you were serious for a second

>>93569035
>Good example
No, that is simply 6 shows that were airing at the same from anime and cartoons

>>93569025
Even I don't particularly like anime, but I can admit it does have much nicer looking artstyle than most modern west cartoons have now; they're just awful looking.
The only decent looking modern cartoon I can think of off the top of my head is Archer.

>>93569041
oh so its an example of shitty anime and cartoons? ok then i agree with you there

Most are just a forgettable 12 episodes promoting a light novel that would be the equivalent of high school fiction writing.

But that would never happen in English because we have higher standards on presentation and execution, format, pages counts. To get in, you'd have to develop your skills until your 30+ or rich enough to pay someone to make your ideas presentable.
High risk. Low success rate.

>>93569045
>have much nicer looking artstyle
subjective

>>93569025
>Modern Anime
>Trace Manga
>Animate between

>Modern Cartoons
>Trace StoryBoard
>Force Koreans to Animate between

Same Cancer different story

>>93569045
>Archer
>Tweening
>Decent

Sure pal, your opinion is duly noted

>>93569003
>>93569005

Yeah, fads exist, there was a point were everyone wanted to be ren and stimpy remember? But that wasn't the point of the discution, the point "we only get cartoons when they actually put thought into it" and that's a fucking lie dude.

>>93569052
I think anon's post is supposed be comparing the artstyles of modern cartoons vs. modern anime. Regardless of writing, it's the animation/artstyle that's being compared.

>>93568867
>why can't the west churn out the exact same show with no substance hundreds of times a year like the japanese?
ftfy

Japan has as many actually new shows as the West. Everything else is a clone that makes even the AT clones look like drastically different shows.

Moe ruined anime. Same as over the top fan service but at least I can fap to that.

>>93568867
>With anime, there is far too many to watch.
Because modern anime is like mlp, gi joe or transfromers except that its just commercials for novels instead of toys

>>93569074
>Yeah, fads exist, there was a point were everyone wanted to be ren and stimpy remember?
yes but compare the amount of copycats from western cartoons to anime and you'll see why anime has such a huge output

>>93569025
Whats the second to last anime?

>>93569064
I can agree with that, but you have to admit that the modern cartoons on the right have far less detail or effort put into them.

>>93569072
I wasn't referring to Archer's animation style, just the art direction of the show in general.
If Archer were traditionally animated, it would be a GOAT tier looking show to me.

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>>93569082

>why can't the west churn out the exact same show with no substance hundreds of times a year like the japanese?
>unlike western cartoons that are totally diferent and have with plenty of substance

>>93569103
>far less detail or effort put into them.
labor cost and unions

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A non butthurt answer is
they can pull from multiple other things to make an adaptation of like VNs, other games, manga, LN and other shit on top of their being multiple studios that can make original shows that aren't adaptations etc the west does have a lot of cartoons but few of them get greenlit

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>>93569118

The west also has 3D cartoons. For better or worse that adds a whole new... dimension.

>>93569143
Is that fruit jesus?

>>93569070
>>Modern Anime
>Trace Manga
>Animate between

Oh boy you must be embarrassed because only two of those six are manga adaptions, the other four are original works.

>>93569143
>they can pull from multiple other things

But everything pulls from the same small well of Japanese culture that has been milked dry decades ago. The only time anime is really different is when they borrow western elements.

>>93568867
Probably because Anime is seen as more than just for Kids, unlike Cartoons which are seen as something for children, unless it's crude adult humor.

>>93569160
Isnt Mob Psycho a web comic even? One with terrible art?

>>93568867
Because japanese studios embrace neets and fujoshis and cater to them since they see their market potential while the west shuns them

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>Cartoons
>Look worse, animate worse, and you only get like one new one a year, most still end up being shit
>Anime
>Look better, animate better, you get about a HUNDRED new ones a year, and about 10% of that is great stuff which ends up being more than the west gets

>>93569118
name a dozen examples of western cartoons in the moeshit style. or even just the 'slice of life' style that seems equally popular despite literally having no purpose except to be cute moments strung together?

Western cartoons might have some dumb young teen action cartoons, but at least the point isnt LITERALLY to string moments together into a vaguely coherent story

>>93569160
>japan
>original
top jej

>>93569179
I think Mob was officially published

>>93568867
This picture makes me really happy.

>tfw anime will never top early Spongebob

>>93569188

Anime animates better half the time. Most of the time it's static images of scenery or people standing completely still with moving mouths.

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>>93569212
That other half is still far more and far better than the west.

>>93569161
Same can be said for western animation, of course things are different when they move out the norm

>>93569158
That is Kamen Rider

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>>93568867
Because western animation tends to have a definitive ending while anime just stops after 1 or 2 seasons without really concluding anything

>>93569025

Honestly I'm not seeing the point this is trying to make.

>>93569220
>Same can be said for western animation
I agree but not in the same degree and frequency as anime

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>>93569234

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>>93569025

>>93569244
its a example of bad cartoons/anime

>>93568867
Both Anime and Cartoons make a majority of their money from merchandising. Anime merchandising sells better because of adult otakus, where as childrens toys sell less and less as kids are less and less interested in toys. Also both the quality and price of the Anime merchandise is higher than the cartoons.

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>>93569250
when's season 3 anon?

>>93568867
>>93569206
this is a nice starfire.

>>93569206
>>93569287
eromine pls go

>>93569194
Clarence, Gumball, Adventure Time, King of the Hill, American Dad, Hey Arnold, Bob's Burgers, Recess, Home Movies, Beavis and Butt-Head, The Weekenders, Rockos Modern Life, Cat Dog

>>93569220
Kamen Rider Fruit Jesus?

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>>93569194

>Only moeshit and slice of life can be devoid of substance

Nice try, that's besides the point, prove western cartoons are totally diferent and have plenty of substance or get out.

>>93568867
Because the west writes original stories instead of adapting every single manga. In terms of creativity, Japanese animation is even worse than German animation and that says a lot. Sure, it looks nice but you could as well just read the manga

>>93569145
KAAAARRRUUROOOOOSUUUUU

>>93568879
>>93568933
>>93568951
>>93569122
There's your answer, Unions drive up costs and all we have to show for it are a few less employees working themselves to death.

But seriously, Unions ARE the key driving factor in increased production costs and anime tends to be a more collaborative effort when it comes to the number of players/sponsorship involved. Japan also has a culture even heavier on consumerism than what the US or EU could imagine, with a steady sale of figures, CDs, and exuberantly priced Blue-ray further fueling the constant flow of new anime.

Meanwhile Cartoon Network airs a cartoon like Young Justice with solid production qualities but with a budget multiple times higher than your average anime's, and because it couldn't sell enough toys, appealed too much to girls, or some other bullshit the suits decided to kill it along with it's entire block by doing to ol' schedule shuffle. I just can't understand the reasoning of western network executives.

>>93569234
That's the most ass backwards statement I've read recently. There's plenty of anime that comes out regularly which has a planned ending vs western cartoons which tend to be more episodic.

>>93569265
This guy gets it.

>>93569299
Is there a real difference between Sitcoms and Slice of Life?

>>93569316
>if it's based on a creative property it isn't creative
Fucking stupid.

>>93569316
>talking shit about based german animation

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>>93569316
Even if we ignore adaptions (Which we shouldn't, that's abristary as fuck and shows how desperate you are) anime still has far more than the west in terms of creativity and numbers.

>>93569336
>Is there a real difference between Sitcoms and Slice of Life?
They're basically the same thing.

>>93568867
How is quantity over quality a good thing? The most of any media is forgettable garbage, it doesn't matter if Japanese produce it more. Or are you that a kind of guy who picks up 10+ anime shows per season and considers himself a pro anime critic?

>>93569336
>That's the most ass backwards statement I've read recently. There's plenty of anime that comes out regularly which has a planned ending vs western cartoons which tend to be more episodic.
I mean cartoons tend to stretch it out into multiple seasons since it doesnt have a manga of ln to fallback on while anime can just end in 1 or 2 since its usually treated as an intro to the manga or ln

>>93569351
>How is quantity over quality a good thing

That's the thing, anime has both.
It has more shit shows, sure, but it has more good shows as well, it has more of everything, which is good for consumers.

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>>93569343
>Japanese """"creativity""""

>>93569343
>anime still has far more than the west in terms of creativity
That's why every other anime has generic as fuck writing and abysmal pacing, amirite

>>93569351
Well when you're comparing 80 shows to 2 shows the 80 shows is going to have more quality shows. Not sure if you grasp the scale at play here.

>>93569372
So basically the shopkeeper from Link's Awakening?

>>93569343
Well, the creativity isn't present in the characters, plot, scenery and interactions. Only creative thing about anime is really just the animation, and thats not that much.

>>93569372
>lvl 999 skeleton
>lvl 999 goblin
>lvl 999 slime
>lvl 999 captured princess
>now a lvl 999 villager

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>>93569351

>it doesn't matter if Japanese produce it more

Actually it matters a lot, if 90% of anime and cartoons are garbage and only 10% are great then there's a big fucking diference, becouse the 10% of 100 is 10 (cartoons) and the 10% of 1000 is 100 (anime). Even if you go by the absurd metric that 90% of cartoons are god tier then that's still a few inches below the east.

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>>93569373
>>93569390
It's not my fault you don't watch anime.
How many psychological thriller cartoons are out there again?

How many romances cartoons are out there?
How many mystery cartoons are out there?

There are genres that literally do not exist in the western animation industry anymore, and you're going to say anime lacks creativity?

>>93568887
You really are behind times? Moe isnt thing anymore, isekai is new hot shit

>>93569417
>liking the 3 shittiest genres
theres a reason theyre dead and thats because all 3 just keeps repeating the same tropes over and over again especially romance anime

These threads are always a fucking mess because it consists of

Group A: People who watch anime AND cartoons
vs
Group B: People who just watch cartoons

Obviously the retards in B are going to be shit on every time, we don't have the materials needed for an actual discussion.

>>93569417
>It's not my fault you don't watch anime.
I do watch anime, and you won't find any other anime like Kaiji/Akagi. A good animated psychological triller is extremely rare, these don't come out every season or even a year.
Who cares about genres if the actual writing ends up being average? I'd rather get another isekai with decent writing over pretentious shit like PsychoPass.

>>93569390
>>93569373
>Basically every modern cartoon is "comedy/(x)"
>Says anime isn't creative

>>93569453
>>93569451
>Who cares about genres if the actual writing ends up being average?

>>93569417

What percentage do they make compared to the generic stuff? How often do those kinds of shows come out? Are you really willing to say that even those niche titles don't borrow heavily from their predecessors?

>>93569444

Maybe we like arguing, anon? What's wrong with flinging shit at each other on an anonymous image board in the middle of the night/morning/day/possibly evening for some people?

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>>93569444

>actual discussion.

The discution ended with this guy >>93569265 that gave the legit answer to OP's question, this is now just a East vs West thread and i think that was what OP's wanted all along

>>93569194
There is nothing wrong with slice of life genre when it is not high school shit. Aria is great example of this

>>93569465
Who cares about percentage of whats shit?
See
>>93569394

You can easily ignore the shit, while still enjoying the good.
Cartoons just simply don't have as much good

>>93569102
Rage of Bahamut

>>93569481
ended with >>93569265
>not >>93569186

>>93569253
Please, more pixelation. It helps your point.

>>93569102
Shit

French Cartoons>Shit >>>>>American and Japanese Cartoons>>>>The city state of canadian animation

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>>93569500

>Implying its not the exact same thing

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>>93569490
>You can easily ignore the shit, while still enjoying the good.

So enjoy like one good anime a season that you can accurately see every twist coming from a mile away? Even the ones with twists are predictable with their twists because they keep taking them from other anime!

I wish I was like you anon, I wish every anime seemed fresh and new to me as well.

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>>93569517

>>93569519
other anon said it first though

>>93569520
You do not watch anime.

>>93569517

>French Cartoons
>Wannabe anime is better than actual anime

Get the fuck out of here.

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This is a conversation that could be interesting to have, the 2D industry in the west needs serious help, but unfortunately /co/ is just to...immature really to have it.

>>93569529
nisekoi is a great example why the state of anime and manga will always be worse than shit like problem solverz, SU, nu-ppg or even fucking CNReal

>>93569531

Fair enough.

>>93569520
So you dont enjoy anime anymore?

>>93569348
More or less. I guess if we HAD to differentiate them from one another, Sitcoms rely on more ridiculous situations for you to see how the characters react (ATHF may be the penultimate form of this) while Slice of Lifes tend to focus more on the mundane and how characters react (like in Lucky Star with the chocolate cornet).

>>93569354
I figured that's what you were referring to, but the number of cartoons with truly planned endings (key word being planned) that actual get to end are few and far in between, let alone those that get to end on their own terms (i.e. not rushed after a sudden cancellation). The closest we regularly see of "planned" endings in cartoons are season finales because the studios aren't always sure if the show will see renewal, and it's honestly not so different from anime based on long running manga and light novels ending a season in step with the end of a story arc.

>>93569517
Isn't 90% of France's output weeb shit anyways?

>>93569545
>getting help from someone who needs more help than us

>>93569547
Manga is fine. You still get alot good shit that are interesting and i nowdays like manga more than anime

>>93569539
well for one thing they're not recycling old tropes over and over again and that makes them already better than nips

>>93569545
Yeah it's really a shame.
On /a/ these threads are a lot better, /a/nons don't get defensive and feel the need to shit on cartoons (Because most of them also watch cartoons) so it's not just a le epic troll bait thread XD like >>93569479 the redditor wants.

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>>93569534
>>93569550
>point out good anime that came out several years ago
>get called out on it
>"y-y-you don't watch anime"

Every time. Come on, recommend me something that came out in the last few years so I can watch it and report back to you how it "reminds me of X, Y, Z, and a bunch of other letters used to represent past anime that I watched".

>>93569534
>if you don't agree that anime is very creative and superior to cartoons it means you don't watch anime at all
I'm not even the person you're replying to but this is stupid. I think both western and jap animation are full of shit, you could say that japanese media has more of good shows, but these are still distinctly "Japanese" with their tropes and writing. People look for different things in Western and Asian media, there is no point in arguing which one is superior.

>Haha anime is all all the same shit!
>Actually out of these hundred shows, ten of them are really well written and creative
>so thats 90% still shit haha!
>Well you don't even have ten new shows that aired this year, let alone ten good shows
>u-uh moeeE!!XDD

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>>93569547

>will always be worse than shit like problem solverz, SU, nu-ppg or even fucking CNReal

>Will be worse than Mega Babies tier of bad
>Will be worse than Diet anime
>Will be worse than Johnny Test 2.0
>Will be worse than not having cartoons

I don't even know what the fuck is nisekoy but you're wrong

>>93569589
>On /a/ these threads are a lot better, /a/nons don't get defensive
>implying
they just ask the janitor to delete the threads since they cant defend

>>93569593
But i just asked question? I agree that anime isnt high art or shit like that but i still enjoy it

>That feel when you just love 2D animation in general

I want the west to get better cause it means more stuff for me to watch. There are some good shows out there, but when we get one every other year, it really sucks.

>>93569586
Yes they do.

>>93569607
No one in this thread was making a point about cartoons being more creative, only about anime not being as creative as people hype it to be.

>>93569608
>I don't even know what the fuck is nisekoy but you're wrong
and thats where youre wrong bucko
nisekoi is like a person who is in constant unbearable pain and wants to die but the medical staff keeps reviving him just for shit and giggles until he loses his sanity and humanity

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>>93569593

Nigga i can say the exact same thing about cartoons

>>93569626
That's fucking retarded because from the OP itself this thread was about comparing, you idiot.

>>93569608
imagine combining all those shows
now imagine people actually wanting those shows
thats nisekoi

>>93569610
Defend of what? They dont need to defend anime because they dont see it as artform like /co/ does it with cartoons.

>>93569582
>Manga is fine. You still get alot good shit that are interesting and i nowdays
most of the new shit are just LN commercials and dont get me started on jump

>>93569336
>Is there a real difference between Sitcoms and Slice of Life?

I'd say the difference is that Sitcoms put a lot of focus on the situations the characters are involved with, where as Slice of Life's focus purely on the characters themselves and their interactions with other characters.

>>93569666
Are you sure? I dont see alot LN manga and i dont really read shounen so i dont know how Jump is doing?

>>93569234
>Because western animation tends to have a definitive ending
Are you really saying this when there's an Uncle Grandpa thread up right now about how the series died with no advertising it was the last episode inbetween Teen Titans Go reruns?

>>93569687
He's an idiot.
Anime is used to promote LN, sure LN get manga adaption but it's far from a focus like anime.

>>93569666
>>93569687
I didn't know LNs were a type of Manga now

>>93569517
>French Cartoons
How many French cartoons do you know that aren't the same 3 or 4 that get posted here all the time?

>>93569626
>No one in this thread was making a point about cartoons being more creative
There's a fair amount of posts saying this

>>93569669
Ha, I already covered that here >>93569561 except I believe the character intwraction is triggered by a focus on the mundane, like eating cornets, noisy neighbors, etc.

>>93569626
Dude, come on...

>>93569586
>>93569547
>>93569390
>>93569372
>>93569316

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As much as I tend to disagree on some anons views on the creativity of anime and I respect those views, I know we can all agree that japanese drawed porn > western drawed porn

I mean wtf is it with western porn being 85% furry and 15% furry with dicks?

>>93569738
>saying that nisekoi is creative
people like you are why anime is stagnating

>>93569742
I don't understand how Asians are so naturally gifted at drawing.
Like the average Jap is just simply better than the average American at drawing, which results in their stronger art/porn scene.

But I don't know why.

>>93569655
>>93569636

Im just going to say i don't believe you, going only with the smug anime girl gif i can say i don't what to gouge out my eyes unlike problem solvers, looks smooth enough to be better than Johnny test and its a cartoons so its automatically better than "Not cartoons", maybe its worst than SU

>>93568867
Do we really want the west to churn out so much stuff at a time, though?

Usually only about 25% of an anime season is actually worth watching, and only up to 25% of the worthwhile stuff is likely to be remembered years later.

>>93569742
>> 25%Jabcomix tier

>>93569776
>do we want more cartoons

Yes

>>93569789
>do we want 30 adventure time and TTGO clones
no

>>93569742
Yeah i agree. I mean they have whole industry for it and that kinda shit would never be thing in here west

>>93569793
>implying anime are clones
Anon pls all anime are have original and fresh takes on them, it just /co/ and their lies saying that anime is just a rehash

>>93569789
More cartoons would be good. But I'd rather not do the four seasons a year that anime does. It leads to a LOT of throwaway shit.

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>>93569800
Have you ever noticed how people from /a/ post good animation from anime as evidence.
But people from /co/ just post bad animation from anime (as if that means anything) instead of posting good cartoon animation? It's almost like they don't have any...

>>93569776
25% of 20 shows vs 25% of 10 shows? Yeah making more would be good.

>>93569775
animation wise its ok storywise even johnny test and zombie simpsons are better

>>93569742
>western porn being 85% furry and 15% furry with dicks?
This, and the stupidly drawn off model art or that traced tier palcomix shit, I don't get it and besides the good western porn artist are inspired by Japanese stuff anyway and hentai is a thing something the west will never do

>>93569821
So? You lose nothing from throwaway shit.


Having more shows (ie more options) is just better, period.

>>93569823
>posting naruto unironically

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>>93569776
>Do we really want the west to churn out so much stuff at a time, though?
I think it's less that we want the west to churn out so many and more like "just churn out some actual quality." For all the talk in this thread at how Japan is doing it, you notice nobody has actually said any decent cartoons that are running as counterpoints? For fucks sake, have you seen the new cartoons coming to CN?

There's literally only one network around that actually makes and advertises their new cartoons (XD). Everywhere else just pushes the same old low budget shit and relies on one show to fill the schedule. That's definitely something you'd never see Japan do.

>>93569793
So exactly what do you want? Because it's not like we're getting much else?

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>>93569253
Fixed, also 70s cartoons were nothing but pink and purple.

>>93569253
What show is the redhead from?
I need the name and hers so I can find the porn.

>>93569833
>So? You lose nothing from throwaway shit
youre forgetting that western companies tend to keep those throwaway shit as reruns for 18 hours a day while putting the good shows in dead hours or channels

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>>93569864
>Being this underage

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>>93569868
If they made 100 shows a year like Japan, there'd be no room for endless re-runs.
The reason re-runs are so common in America is because they only have like 4-5 shows floating around at a time.

>>93569871
My age has nothing to do with not having seen some show and you know it.

simple western animators tend to make things more memorable but eastern animators see it as a quick cashgrab for bluerays or figures

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>>93569882
It really does because that show was pretty fucking huge around 07

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>>93569451
>and you won't find any other anime like Kaiji/Akagi
Actually, at least in terms of gambling, the Kakegurui anime airs this season

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>>93569864
WITCH, for got her name but that chart has since been fixed here.

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>>93569888
You mean the same people who canceled Sym-biotic Titan because no toys?

>>93569895
Oh fuck, it's WITCH.
Are all the comics in English yet or what?

>>93569888
>western animators tend to make things more memorable
Are you seriously really saying this in the current carton environment?

Why does it feel like the people posting in here never left 2007 or something and aren't looking at the cartoon climate right now?

>>93569880
I always thought that having a channel dedicated to cartoons 24/7 was the reason why america has so many reruns
Whats the channel equivalent of disney or CN in japan?

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>>93569906
A lot of people on /co/ simply lack the critical thinking to have an honest discussion.
I love 2D animation period, regardless of where it's from, which is why it's easy to have an unbias view on these things.

>>93569901
That had more then one reason why it got canceled.

>>93569921
No toys (actually no real marketing at all) was the biggest one though.

>>93569904
Not from what I can tell.

>>93569742
>japanese drawed porn > western drawed porn
It really depends on what we're talking about here. Doujins >>> comics any day of the week, but for stand alone images it's more of a toss up for me.

>I mean wtf is it with western porn being 85% furry and 15% furry with dicks?
The west has a stronger furry culture than the east (thanks funny animal characters!) and furries commission the shit out of people for art of their sparkle dog fursonas fucking/voring/inflating another guy's winged chimera centaur.

>>93569752
Where did I say that?

>>93569910
Disney and CN Japan. :^)

>>93569932
>Disney and CN Japan. :^)
for anime anon you smartasss

>>93569888
I want you to look up what happened to Harvey Beaks' production and then shove that shit opinion up your ass

>>93569932
>Where did I say that?
you linked my post saying that nisekoi was shit

https://gelbooru.com/images/14/60/14600b9e0d4d18ecd534a4bb4adbc630.webm

>Even the anime that airs on Sunday morning for kids has been animation then even cartoons aimed at adults

>>93569982
>has better animation than cartoons aimed at adults*

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>>93569927
You also had.

>Genndy having very little to do with the original pitch in 2008.
>Show took 2 years to make because Genndy retooled it to what he wanted.
>Show was meant to air in 2009 but did not air until 2020 because of the retooling.
>More adults were watching it then kids.
>Show ended up being canceled because of it, not so much of a lack of toys.
>SBT's final version was $300,000 a episode when CN's other shows were less then $90,000 a episode.
>CN ended up selling the rights in 2014 just to pay it off.
>Not learning from John K (he entered the animation industry to stop the toy ads).

>>93569998
Yes those are indeed true things. However, I think actually advertising the show might have helped, just a little.

Also
>More adults were watching it then kids.
I'm pretty sure I've never seen Japan pull this shit either this way or the reverse but it happens way too often in Western cartoons

>>93569895
Haruhi is shit with shit waifus and Kyon is a schizophrenic who created everything in his head.

>>93569994
Why can't adult animation be this good?

https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/26420

>>93569949
Yeah, because your post implied that the state of anime hinged on one show, which is fucking retarded when CN is spamming TTG, Nick clinged to Spongebob and FOP as their rating crutch for years and will likely do the same with TLH, and Disney runs through shows like diarrhea.

>>93570007
Western executives are beyond stupid man.

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>>93569932
>The west has a stronger furry culture than the east

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>>93569742
>I mean wtf is it with western porn being 85% furry and 15% furry with dicks?
are you retarded is at least 80% furry dick 19% solo female and 1% yuri
tfw search for good yuri fur porn is like trying to find mew in pokemon red

>>93570029

What's that?

>>93570048
A terribly made chart that leaves out NA but shows Europe being blackened out by furries?

>>93570048
kemono

>>93569932
When the Japanese do furries, they sometimes give them extra tits.

>>93570058
>>93570064
That's an entirely different culture and community.

>>93570064
And real dog cunts
wtf japan

>>93570054
not taking into the consideration the population of every country it may be a chinese country but younger generation is very rare

>>93570083
In Japan kemono is more viewed as bestiality vs the west where furries use their fursona as an identity and role play with others.

Basically people beating off to Pokephilia porn vs people beating off to eachother's OCs. Very, VERY different cultures, as I stated.
>>93570109
But it does take into account population density as visually represented, and much of asia's east coast is included among those icons, not just Japan.

>>93570012
Fuck you. Kyon is based

>>93570196
At last, something not furry.

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>>93569823
>But people from /co/ just post bad animation from anime (as if that means anything) instead of posting good cartoon animation? It's almost like they don't have any...
Because /co/'s animated segments are longer than a biggest webm possible.

>>93570272
Think again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tijiLYiN3xI

>>93568867
KEWL BEAUTY

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>>93570158
>In Japan kemono is more viewed as bestiality
that's because they are ,kemona art is fucking disgusting they draw this ultra detailed animal genitalia wilde the face is just an emoji or anime eyes not to mention that the 40% of the hentai/art is stright up bestialaty

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>>93570355

>Spoiler

Even if its censored, what the fuck is wrong with you?

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>>93570390
>censor and spoiler
let me guess someone ban you recently

>>93570436
ups meant to respond to this>>93570355

>>93569390
Nice blind fanaticism prayer, retard.

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>>93569287
Begone troq lover

>>93569742
>tfw fapped too much to hentai
>tfw getting pretty hard to fap to japanese art because my depravity just keeps getting worse
>tfw already seen the best hentai and pretty much gotten used to fapping to them
>tfw big anime eyes and anime hair is now a turnoff
>tfw only cartoon porn and r34 of western cartoons make me hard now because each artstyle's unique and something different, not just the same bimbo slapped with a different color of hair or eyes
>tfw anticipate new western cartoons just for r34

what have I done

>>93568867
I recognize that Dumbpire pose.

>>93569835
>naruto
Whether you meant that as a joke or not you got a chuckle out of me.

>>93569265
>>93569336
Yup, I agree with this. Marketing, I mean, it's one of the biggest reasons. Here's a great example: the last Pokemon movie had a pretty cool soundtrack, and this was released as an OST as normal. But when translated outside of Japan, they... changed about half of the soundtrack, including all major tunes. I don't know why, but it was good too, about on par with the Japanese. This version didn't get an OST release AT ALL, and there's no clean versions of those tunes available anywhere.

Unions are the other half of things. Specifically, animators are the ones paid far less in Japan. In the west, and because of that, it's why anime is so ridiculously loaded with animation compared to actual writing. In Japan, it's not uncommon for anime to have 100+ staff members on a single series... but it's highly uncommon to have more than exactly two writers: one to write a manga or light novel, and one to adapt it to animation. This is in contrast to Western cartoons, which normally have writers numbering in the dozens. So much so that it's extremely noticeable that NuPPG only has two.
(Western movies, on that part, are in a similar situation to anime here - have a small amount of writers, a massive amount of animators / set designers / makeup artists, and make millions from merch and advertising. For perspective, Iron Man had 8 writers total, and 7 if you don't count Stan Lee).

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I'm surprised that this was never brought up yet.

>>93569770
fuck off /ic/
if you really want to succeed fucking draw something and stop complaining like a little bitch

>>93570805
ya dun fucked up. (welcome to the club)

>>93569823
People from /co/ normally post good animation from anime too. It's only people in topic specifically about East Vs West that will point out bad animation.

>>93570933
All the animators from South Korea migrated to Best Korea

>>93570933

>WHAT THE UCK?

That chart is trash

>>93570984
No, if anything they're now doing anime contract work.

They're still in South Korea.

>>93570996
It's not, got to be mass used by kids you know.

>>93569429
Not him, but fuck you. Mid-late 2000s KyoAni boom influenced the medium hardcore. Everyone emulated the style and now we have soft-faced motherfuckers in every goddamn show. I want edges, angles, and face detail back in my anime, thank you. Isekai fags need to get out, too. SAO was a mistake, Re:Zero is the tumor that needs to get cut out.

>>93569742
It's almost like anthropomorphic animal cartoon characters are some of the primary touchstones of western animation.

>>93571014
TMS did this with Orange which everyone hated. Fact is that studios are at their best when they're being themselves rather then emulating someone else.

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>>93571030

>>93571050
Pretty sure everybody hated Orange because it was melodramatic boring shit not so much the animation.

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>>93568867
>Dumfire

>>93568887
There is actually a dearth of true moe shows these days

>>93570805
You probably just kept fapping to the same vanilla shit and got bored, I don't find cartoon porn good at all however the only decent shit emulates japanese shit anyway
Plus there are cartoons with just a unfappable artstyle which people need to make ridiculously off model to work

>>93571132
Still, it's always better to be yourself. Remember what happen to the Fleischer brothers.

>>93570805
But what is great about japan is that you get alot good stuff every year because comiket. I follow pretty much all my favorite hentai artists on twitter

>>93571014
I miss noses too but what can i do? Its not like i pay for anime

>>93571167
I fucking love this manga. Such a great romcom

>tfw one of your favorite hentai artist goes legit

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

America van hardly hold onto its own culture.

>cars gets mastered by Germans and Japanese
>animation culture shifts almost entirely to Asia
>watch-making companies gets sold off to the Swiss
>beer companies bought out by Germans
>Jobs sent off to India
>Manufacturing all sent to China

America literally has no cultural backbone

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>>93571233
He will like to have a word with you.

Animators in Japan get paid jack shit, let alone the Koreans and Filipinos they outsource to.

>>93571014
>I want edges, angles, and face detail back in my anime, thank you
Should have spent more money on merch instead of pirating..

>>93571313

What about Hollywood?

>>93571325
Only the low end studios are like this, the big studios pay at least 2000 yen a hour.

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I like my cartoon girls ugly, screw you all weeaboos.

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>Hazelnut eye globes
>noticeable bulbous nose

mmm, Japanese bodies are mostly anatomically correct but their heads vary wildly from real life and are to flat, what could this mean? Aliens? it could be, stranger things have happened.

>>93569025
Fuck anime, manga and tokusatsu are better

>>93571401
Plenty of anime has noses on characters. Not sure why people cling onto early 2000s anime memes

>>93571482

Because it is not only what is most popular, but also what is now the majority due to the sheer overwhelming quantity of post 2000's Anime being produced. And even back then actual eye globes and noses were exclusive to certain most "mature" Anime, definitely not the standard.

>>93571474
I like manga but the lack of voice and music kills me. Anime tends to do soundtracks right most of the time

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>>93571094
>tfw in our hour of need tezuka will rise from the grave and usher in a new furry/monstergirl Renaissance

>>93571014

While I dislike that artstyle, this is not what made me drop Anime, I am not America, I watched dubbed Anime and the dubbs were good, also back then they used to think in more fantastic and "out there" plots, nowadays Anime is VERY very Japanese in-setting and I don't like a lot of Japanese culture even if i liked Anime, and I certainly don't like how they talk, without well made dubs, I simply watched cartoon for the cute and funny and movies and games for action and high octane adrenaline.

>>93571597
>liking American culture

>>93571597
That's fair I guess. Some like the more exclusive Japan setting, some don't. I honestly just wish cartoons would experiment more with more realistic character proportions like the 90s
But fuck the FCC for raping Saturday morning cartoons

You can do great things with slavery
Case i point eastern animation

>>93571652
not an argument

>>93568867
Sure because 13/26 episode cartoons would be so amazing

>>93571823
American culture is absolutely garbage but you do you

>>93571870
If they are planned to be that long, then yes, that would be amazing

>>93571880
>implying theres any human culture thats not garbage

Does japan have a television channel for anime?

>>93571914
Several dedicated cable/satellite channels

>>93571934
Whats it called? Do they run anime 24/7? What studio handles it?

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>>93571597

I noticed something myself that i can't really describe, its like flanderization but not so much of characters but of character archetypes and situations, if it's a dramatic scene then it will be overdramatic, if its comedy then it will be VERY JAPANESE comedy, if its meant to be badass then everyone will be really fucking loud, everything seems to lack an overall subtlety, like there's an ironic streak going around and no one takes itself seriously anymore.

>>93571597
anime in this day and age is specifically made for weeaboos which is a shame it can be a BIG turn off for new fans and the weebs will go even deeper into the rabbit hole
,i mean im traveler and i would love to see other cultures is a shame that hollywood and moe always make things about theamself
imagine an anime set in Croatia or Greece

>>93571946
they just buy time at local stations at late night when nothing is being aired and it's cheap

there are few dedicated anime stations but that's how it's usually done for most of the series

>>93571946

i only know animax and that's because my country has translated the entire channel

>>93571946
Animax owned by Mitsui

Kids Channel owned by Sony

Tokyo MX owned Tokyo TV

>>93571991
It's probably because anime was influenced by Tokusatsu and that style stuck around even today. There are some more introspective shows that do it differently though. Flip Flappers felt like an interesting take on surrealism, romance and action

>>93572090
>>93572094
how do they usually format their schedule? do they show reruns? if so how many times and for how long?

>>93572053
Im sorry for you you, look like the basic post everyone is gonna shit on ,so good luck .

>>93572053
Anime has literally always been made for the enthusiast audience going back to the 70s. This is not anything new. At least there are some shows that manage to get funded due to special interests or western funding like Space Dandy

>>93569429
I unironically like isekai
...
Well I like Overlord and that one about the spider

>>93572094
>animax
ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING

>>93572053
There is already an anime based in Greece called Porfy's Long Journey. Maybe do a little research before bashing things you don't understand

>>93569160
M8, Japan is many things, but original it aint.

>>93569025
Rick and Morty wouldn't work with another art style.

>>93572154

I wanted to get into overlord, watch the first season but it seems to drag its feet a lot, is it going to be like that the whole way?

>>93572202
The next season is probably going to be Lizards and Climb, so it's gonna suck

In the books, Lizards were 1 novel and the central figures of said novel, It was the first time that Nazarick was really on the sidelines and most of the book is about how Nazarick appears the the lizards, who are kinda pointless since they don't tie in to any of the political progression of the human kingdoms

Climb's is a bit more balanced with some Nazarick interspersed and Sebas getting to punch shit. It expands on the Kingdom being an utterly rancid piece of shit

Nazarick finally stops being reclusive around book 7-8

Personally, I mostly love the contrast between everyone's perception of Ainz and his inner monologues

>>93572167
>2008

>>93572323
Then go watch Maria the Virgin Witch or something. One of the most accurate portrayals of medieval warfare in anime

>>93572344
Ok
thanks

>>93569030
probably because you made it up in a fever dream bruh

The US made Fantasia DURING WWII

Japan was broke and fucked up AFTER WWII

But somehow you have a cockamamie "WAWAWA MEELLIONS" story in your head that justifies why a smaller country kicks your ass despite your decades long head start and lack of firebombing and economic crises

>>93569045
Computers made people lazy.

>>93569807
Dont delude yourself. They are clones.

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>>93572323
If we're recommending older anime, Seto No Hanayome was pretty good. Comedy that wasn't too japanese (usually)

>>93572302

>I mostly love the contrast between everyone's perception of Ainz and his inner monologues

That was what hook me actually, that and the "The good guy looks like skeletor" premise, the videogame part didn't interest me in the least except for the first episode when he talks about all the internet friends he lost over the years.

If its boring like you said then i guess i'll just skip it for now, thanks.

>>93569889
Not that anon, but there are some people like me who just didn't have cable back then. I remember having to go to a friend's house to see Danny Phantom or reruns of the 90's Spider-Man The Animated Series. You're acting like age is the only factor in whether or not someone has seen a show instead of someone like maybe not having heard of it because they legit haven't been as exposed as you.

>>93569204
>>93569179
Mob Psycho is a webcomic with terrible art because the guy isn't a professional artist. His art has gotten better and he's gotten better at expressions, shading, and paneling for the most part it's subpar compared to the professional manga industry. The artist is ONE and it's the only one with "professional mangaka art."

Since the webcomic art was so...uhh..."bad" the animators had to create their own artstyle that had realistic proportions while not losing ONE's style so they quite literally couldn't just trace the manga so this anon >>93569070
is talking out of his ass. Mob Psycho's animation was fucking amazing.

>>93569770
It's how their language works. They pretty much have to learn how to be artists just to read and write.

>>93572474
Ainz isn't a total monster like his subordinates, but he's far from being a good guy
He wants to be seen as one and generally tries for diplomacy, but he can kill literal tens-of-thousands and be gladdened because it's a new record

It's like if Carnage was trying to manage his public image (Carnage, not Carnage-man)

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>>93572560

Dude don't even try, i liked Mob but this is the last thread to talk about it, everyone is to defensive at the moment.

>>93572622

Really? I only saw season 1 of the anime and that's it, he didn't seem very bad just a victim of the circumstances, does he go full edge later on?

>>93569186
Somebody ought post that pic about anime producer saying moe are the only anime they can produce now and the animator saying like likes cute girls.

>>93572721
He doesn't kill for the hell of it, it's just that being undead has affected his mind and killing humans bothers him as much as squashing ants.

It's not quite being edgy, it's being affected by his reincarnated body (it numbs all powerful emotions also, much to his annoyance when he's happy)

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>>93571991

I think late 80's and very early 200's a lot of Mangaka and Anime studios wanted to present theme park versions of the world cultures and myths as something exotic and adventurous plus they could export this everywhere and will work just as well. Now is all Japanese high school with a twist.

Also even the infaous Calarts cartoons have very different looking people in universe, as opposed to Anime characters nowadays.

I like to think of Anime characters as "Animated actors" if that makes sense, and not as cartoons at all.

>>93573141
forgot to mention that he strongly desires positive diplomatic relations with just about everyone

>>93572053

Saint Seiya was kind of like this but they took a lot of liberties and the American version is total trash, the new ones look faggy so IDK anymore about it, also Japanese stopped making space operas to WTH.

>>93571759

If cartoons become attractive they aren't cartoons anymore.

>>93572670
I mean I still think Mob Psycho was great, but not in the "wow this was groundbreaking" but in more of a "hey this was an aesthetically pleasing and fun ride." I do agree with the fact that this is the last thread to talk about it however. I don't know why I see more /a/ posting on /co/ than the other way around. /co/ cares more about /a/ than I've seen /a/ even really mention /co/.

>>93573179

What's "WTH"?

>>93569058
>But that would never happen in English because we have higher standards
>believing this when stuff like twilight and 50 shades of grey sell millions of copies

>>93568867
Dumphire

>>93571474
How you liking Ex-aid bro?

>>93569058
LOL.

>>93571474
This man gets it

>>93572053
Do you even know what weeaboo means?japs cant be weebs

>>93571339
If you want quality kino you watch euro shit, if you want cheaply produced garbage you go and watch Bollywood stuff, if you want something that unsuccessfully combines those two into something completely unwatchable you watch Hollywood.

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>> the complete series has been dubbed
>> blu-ray set to release on July 11
>> Arrival on Toonami inevitable.

>>93573147
High school was always big part of anime but even nowdays you dont have to watch those shows

>>93573433

I know? I just don't like Anime aesthetics nowadays, I know it sounds weird but i guess I developed a taste for catoons, when i look for something cute and pleasant (comfy) or funny I put some cartoon episodes, and when I want some action I play some of my games or watch movie clips from youtube, if I have anough time i watch something from Netflix.

Anime is jut not for me, why are Otaku or whatever they are called, like the Jehovah witnesses of the internet? You have /a/, /c/, /jp/, half of the porn boards and god knows what else I barely visit this places anymore, since wwoec closed and left Deviantart I havent found a place to go, and I hate Reddit so I am stuck in this weeb den.

>>93573554
You're from WWoEC? Everyone else migrated to the jab archives.

>>93573554

>like the Jehovah witnesses of the internet?

What do you mean by that? Also have you tried old anime?

>>93569417
Anime lacks creativity because they're just animated adaptations of light novels, cell phone games, and manga. Out off all the thousands of generic cookie cutter anime, only works made by Mamoru Oshi, Satoshi Kon, and Miyazaki stands out.

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>>93569025
>macross delta
>good show

Honestly, if western animation wants to be like anime, then it's going to have to copy it's method. I mean like giving Captain Underpants, Harry Potter, Game of Thrones, and Twilight their own animated series. We might even have to dig deeper and give Roots drawn by the creator of the Boondocks it's own animated series.

>>93573741
You're a retard. By that logic all western cartoons suck dick then, since none of them are superior to GITS

>>93568867

>Why can't the west collectively churn out new
series seasonally like the Japanese?
For many reasons. Among them, the Japanese churn out new series.

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>>93570355

>>93569058
Yeah the new PPG series or Teen Titans Go are great examples of "high standards"

>>93573554
I can see that and i am not blaming you for not liking it, anime isnt for anyone.

I though too that i would get tired of anime after 15 years of watching it

>>93574055
Tbh twerking, referencing memes that even 9fag would find old and worn out, and creator pedophilia self-inserts are the very epitome of animated kino.

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>>93573554
>, why are Otaku or whatever they are called, like the Jehovah witnesses of the internet?
Fuck, that got me

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>>93572432

I just watched the first episode a few days ago, and it was a major letdown based on what I'd heard.

Galaxy Angel is the older comedy anime I'd recommend instead. The seasons with the original Angel-tai, anyway.

>>93568867
Important Poll for this East vs West thread

What do you think will happen first. Japan getting rid of underage and lolicon fan service, or the west starting to include explicit underage and lolicon fan service at the anime level?

>>93573649

I used to watch Dragon ball, Saint Seiya, Ranma 1/2, pokemon, Yu gi oh and even shit like Captain Tsubaza but I always had cartoon in my mind (as in daydreaming) Nowadays, thanks to Super, I hate Dragonball to.

And by JWS of the internet I mean that they go all the way out to convince people that don't like Anime to like it, otherwise they are wrong in the brain, I am at the point I hate Anime and I just come to Imageboards because I am addicted to being angry.

Right now you are convincing me to watch "old Anime" despite previously stating i didnt liked it animore and didnt liked it that much to beguin with, hell I got gobally banned 2 weeks for posting a cartoon as a waifu on /a/ so right now I am extremely angry.

>>93573619

What are those? are they free? the name implies its only Jab shit, is it layered like Wwoec was? like in a section for Nick, Other for CN and such?

most of the good draw porn in the west tend to be from old comics generally non-clored from europe countries
especially if you are into hairy pussy like me

>>93572432
>>93572432
Excel Saga

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>>93573895

That is just to copy Anime, wich is fine in small doses and rescuing what is worth from Anime, but to replicate the artstyle would be horrible, basically cartoons would be extinct, cartoons are not about sexual atractiveness or moe at all.

>>93574163
https://strawpoll.com/a43cefe

to make it official

>>93574149
>I just watched the first episode a few days ago, and it was a major letdown based on what I'd heard.

It picks up when he gets back to his school
So episode 3 or 4-ish
If you were let down and have something better to do, then do that other thing, but I'd still recommend it.

>>93571255
>tfw the mangaka does official r63 and hentai (under a pseudonym) of their own series

Being a BnHA fan is the best

>>93574179
I wish japan would do more hairy pussy and not always trimmed shit.

>>93574267

Ah that's fair enough. Maybe I'll give it another chance.

Although the other problem is that I'm just streaming it with VRV, which uses Fundimation's 480p source--and the art hasn't aged well, particularly at that resolution.

>>93574166
It's a J.I.N.O. They got sections of fanart and artists like Wagner and Joe Randel.

>>93573344
>japs cant be weebs

>>93572302
>>93572154
>>93572202
I like the threads on /a/ too. for some reason the discussions on overlord threads are pretty good compared to the usual stuff.

>>93573554

>why are Otaku or whatever they are called, like the Jehovah witnesses of the internet?
Actually we're more like Catholics or Evangelical Protestants.

>>93574552
Japs by definition can't be weebs. A weeaboo is someone who isn't Japanese but is obsessed with Japanese culture and history (usually incorrectly, as these things normally go).

>>93574496
There is should be 780 batch of it on nyaa pantsu.

>>93569871
What's this from? Are these the right wing death squads I was told I would get if I voted for Trump?

>>93574688

Jin-Roh m8.

>>93569517
French Cartoons are faux anime.

Why pretend the fake shit is better than the original?

Western animation has less freedom, limit option, and smaller Market, Japanese animation has a larger market, writer can just put incest, pedophilia, and other controversy stuff right in. (Also there is a politic influence on Western cartoon that make it worsen) I think I like Cartoon more than anime because even with generic art line, Western art is more diverse than Japan's. Western Cartoon made me cringe a lot, but not as much as anime, since it show a 10 years old girl command the entire army, and pretend to be genius.

>>93574536

>Jino

Jews that don't practice Judaism?

>>93574814

They are still more cartoons than Anime, loli Rock and Wakfu do not look at all like, they take what is good from Anime and use it.

>>93573147

This droopa kind of shit.