There's totally no ban, guys. It's just a conspira

Sad news but not surprising to anyone who's been paying attention the past few years (AKA everyone except Marvel shills).

This has more to do with the reason WHY FF are being removed in the first place.

The merchandise rights to the FF are a bit fucky. No one knows what the exact situation is but basically Marvel's main merch department doesn't have full control over them. That's why you don't see them on T-shirts or posters anymore.

The FF being fucked in the comics is a result of this, because Ike and other executives don't want to be giving attention to things they can't make merch money off of. It's related to the situation with the movie rights, but only because it's likely that the rights complication has to do with Fox.

This was revealed by people back when Marvel's 2015 promotional poster came out, and we found out there was some sort of rights problem involving selling posters with FF characters on them.

>>93502963
John Bynre brought it up when he got contacted about his art being used for a t-shirt and to his surprise it didn't feature any X-Men of Fantastic Four characters, the two Marvel comics he's most famous for drawing.

>>93501875
F4 is half the reason I even care about Marvel.
Them and X-Men.
Don't give a rats ass about Avengers and Inhumans.

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>>93501875

Are you shitting me? What a revolting development this is. I actually played the Thing (back when I actually played)

This is a whole new level of FU

>>93501875
Thank God the X-Men have too many characters on the roster and have a couple chapters dedicated to them or they'd try pulling them too.

>>93501875
I think it's fantastic four the best

>>93503522
They'll remove them. Slowly, but surely.

>>93503522
Also the public likes them. I mean FF have three movies people love to make fun of, meanwhile X-Men has produced X2, Deadpool, and Logan

Besides I think the core X title is still Marvel's best seller behind Spider-man in floppies. Marvel is no stranger to shooting themselves in the foot, but this is one toe they seem to know not to hit.

Being a FF fan is suffering

>>93503639
We'll always have 102 issues and seven annuals by Lee/Kirby, most franchizes don't get anything nearly that awesome.

>>93503672
Hickman's run was pretty okay too.
...right?

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I kind of want to see marvel rip it self apart & bendis laughing in the back ground

>>93503684
& Byrnes run too
& maybe grant

>>93503639

How long till we get an All New All different Fantastic Four made up of A black women with an afro, a gay, an ambiguously brown kid and America whatever her last name is and don't tell me because I don't care to learn

>>93503639
This.

>tfw every /co/ drone shits on them, yet never read any of it
>tfw Ben used to be considered one of the best Marvel characters ever, now he's barely ever mentioned

>>93503684
Some of the cartoons were good and the Roger Corman movie it's great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28EyQ4a3OEA

>>93503721
It's America t proud

>>93501875
Perlmutter strikes again
Seriously though, he's the cause of all of this

>>93503727
That's cus alex toth help design the characters

>>93503684
I couldn't get into it because of the art, it was either bad or would change after two issues. I'm a fan of the Byrne and Simonson runs though

>>93503727
The Corman movie is bad, but Doom was great in it.
>Touch it, and she dies!
>...So?

>>93503726
>tfw people say the FF are "lame and boring" and only their villains are cool

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>>93503726

Fuck you, Ben will always be my favorite

>>93503761
>I couldn't get into it because of the art, it was either bad or would change after two issues
I think Morrison's New X-Men conditioned me to expect that when I was younger. Shitty art doesn't bother me too much nowadays, unless it just extremely bad. (Like Land's tracing.)

>>93501875
FUCK YOU IKE

>>93503684
Yeah, I liked it just fine.

>>93501875
Marvels really honoring Jack Kirbys 100th birthday this year I see.

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>>93503929
Kek

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>>93503797
Ben's always been god tier.

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>>93503797
Rightfully so.

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>>93503726
>the FF are too silly and wacky for the modern day
>the FF movie should be set in the 60's with "gee whiz" dialogue
I blame that fucking 2000's movie for making people think this shit. It's really insane just how much influence movies have on how people think, even movies they don't like.

>>93504029

Monica is way cooler than Carol

>>93502963
What the fuck are you even talking about? Are you trying to damage control? Unless Marvel fucked up their copyrights and trademarks they should still be able to merchandise the Fantastic Four. Fox has the movie rights and gets a cut of merchandise that's based on the movies. They don't get money from the comics.

>>93504041
And she'll be brought in for Captain Marvel 2 as the comedic foil black sidekick like Rhodey and Falcon.

>>93503726
>>tfw every /co/ drone shits on them, yet never read any of it
>>93503778
>>tfw people say the FF are "lame and boring" and only their villains are cool

Those were shills trying to get people to think that way to soften the blow when they put a hold of FF merchandise.

>>93504034
>the FF movie should be set in the 60's with "gee whiz" dialogue

I fucking hate hearing this retarded fan idea. Every pleb who's never read the Fantastic Four now has this idea stuck in their head that they're outdated characters.

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>>93504034
>>the FF movie should be set in the 60's with "gee whiz" dialogue

See that could be cool. Play up the simpler time and camp angle. Play the cast almost like a self aware 70s sit com but instead of being a normal family the family stuff is set during crazy sci fi adventures.

Johnny and Ben have to fix a vase while battle mole monsters, Sue is giving Reed the stink eye about their anniversary while in Dimension X

don't go full LOL COMICS AMIRIGHT play it sincere but it can be work

Meanwhile. Based DC has all the rights to their characters consolidated under one company

>>93503721

You're asking in jest but there is a serious answer here: Marvel is required to make use of a title once every few years or else they lose exclusive rights to it. That's why they'd shit out a new "Defenders" book every few years with creative teams and rosters which they surely knew couldn't be sustainable, just to hold onto exclusive rights.

I fully expect in a few years we'll see a four-issue "Fantastic Four" series starring X23, some Hulk, some Ghost Rider and some Spider-character just to hold onto the rights.

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I had this idea for while but if I where in charage of an F4 movie Id play it something like this

Movie opens with a Darwyne Cook style animation showing how they got their powers over the intro credits to get the origin out of the way in about a minute and half

From their the Fantastic Four are already celebrity science heroes and the film uses a reality show style framing device where each member of the team recounts a different seemingly unrelated adventure (which are all tied together by Doom) so we can get in some cool adventure bits featuring various villains like Mole Man and Annihulis and whoever. In between all of these we can squeeze in some familial drama. Reed's to focused on his work, Maybe Sue doesn't know how to tell him she's preggers, Johnny and Ben get up to mischief.

I think Id play up to the normies idea that they're outdated by having the TV show think something like that too, that they're too out of touch and try to make them look more EXTREME but in the end the team's bond is what saves the day and wins over the TV execs convincing them there is place for a family hero team

>>93504071
You mean xfags swearing it happened because the f4 fanbase was vocal enough. Swearing up and down that they have it worst than them because 3 of their two million mutant characters died. Plus the bullshit that bad-mediocre X-comics are worst than the F4 having no comics.

>>93504322
>have it worst
>are worst

WORSE. The word you want is WORSE.

>>93504034
>Make them from the 60s except they were frozen in time until today.

This is worse.

>>93504034
The whole "set in the 60s" thing is fucking retarded. There's no fucking reason it should be time stamped. The stuff that was futuristic about the comic in the Silver Age is STILL futuristic by today's standards. I have no idea why the fuck everyone thinks it's a good idea.

Honestly, I think a FF movie that's CGI with no ties to the other properties would be great. You could really utilize the themes of exploration and discovery, and also really explore everyone's powers.

>>93504399

It has less to do with seeing them as retro and more to do with seeing modern shit as ..well awful to be perfectly blunt. You set the movie in a different era and you're free to play to that era's tone.

>>93504041
Not according to nuMarvel, despite being black AND female.

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>>93504429

They want to push diversity until it gets in the way of their own waifu

>>93504421
The tone of FF is adventure, exploration, and family. It doesn't matter what time period that's set in. The only excuse that gives is if you want "I must, I shall!" dialogue, nothing else applies.

>>93504463

and studio executives don't see shit like that. It will just take one focus test saying it's corny to fuck the whole project

>>93504399
I don't get it either. The idea is shit.

Plus you just end up making them all Captain America clones with the "man out of time" trope if they time travel from the 60's into modern day. The FF are all about cutting edge and pushing the boundaries of science as we know it.

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Fuck, just when it looked like some of those restrictions were being loosened.

For those that don't know, all this is happening because of one man. Isaac Perlmutter, president of Marvel. He hates that they don't own the movie rights to Spider-Man, X-Men and the FF. It was fine when they weren't making movies, but once Marvel Studios started and he couldn't get the rights back, he wanted to go scorched Earth. To him, he doesn't want to promote what he considers someone else's products in Marvel movies by Sony and Fox. If someone is going to make money, it's going to be him.

Spider-Man is too big. He is the face of Marvel, you can't cancel it, you can't kill his merch, he is on that untouchable level with Batman and Superman. The X-Men are pretty damn big too, and canceling them outright would have been dumb. But you can see Ike's fingerprints all over everything that's happened with them. He wanted to turn the Inhumans into Mutants, take all that fear and oppression storytelling (and most importantly, popularity) and twist it towards something he can profit on. It's why they were pushed as replacements to mutants, it's why he pushed Feige to make an Inhumans movie, it's why there's now an Inhumans tv show after Feige broke Marvel Studios away from the rest. Even then, the X-Men are still popular. They still show up in some games and toys. They're not completely dead.

But the Fantastic Four? That he can kill. The book didn't sell that well anymore. The characters aren't as beloved as the rest. Hell, you could make an argument that canceling it for a couple years then relaunching it would be a good move to generate interest. But it's petty to completely scrub them from the universe as if they didn't exist just because you don't want Fox to make a couple extra bucks.

>>93504619
>But the Fantastic Four? That he can kill. The book didn't sell that well anymore.

Oh yeah? Here's Fantastic Four sales:

02/14 Fantastic Four v6 #1 - 65,775 ( 134.5%)
03/14 Fantastic Four v6 #2 - 37,569 ( -42.9%)
04/14 Fantastic Four v6 #3 - 34,930 ( -7.0%)
05/14 Fantastic Four v6 #4 - 33,263 ( -4.8%)
05/14 Fantastic Four v6 #5 - 33,336 ( 0.2%)
06/14 Fantastic Four v6 #6 - 33,177 ( -0.5%) O.S. Tie-In
07/14 Fantastic Four v6 #7 - 33,687 ( 1.5%) O.S. Tie-In
08/14 Fantastic Four v6 #8 - 30,674 ( -8.9%) O.S. Tie-In
08/14 Fantastic Four v6 #9 - 28,827 ( -6.0%)
09/14 Fantastic Four v6 #10 - 28,118 ( -2.5%)
10/14 Fantastic Four v6 #11 - 26,938 ( -4.2%)
10/14 Fantastic Four v6 #12 - 26,638 ( -1.1%)
11/14 Fantastic Four v6 #13 - 25,432 ( -4.5%)
12/14 Fantastic Four v6 #14 - 24,716 ( -2.8%)
01/15 Fantastic Four #642 – 30,118 ( +21,9%)
02/15 Fantastic Four #643 – 32,302 ( + 7.3%)
03/15 Fantastic Four #644 – 32,947 ( + 2.0%)
04/15 Fantastic Four #645 – 39,389 ( +19.6%) END

Now let's compare that to other books out in April this year...

>>93504689
11/16 Thanos # 1 - 54,768
12/16 Thanos # 2 - 35,187 (-35.8%)
01/17 Thanos # 3 - 36,643 (+ 4.1%)
02/17 Thanos # 4 - 32,032 (-12.6%)
03/17 Thanos # 5 - 34,901 (+ 9.0%)
04/17 Thanos # 6 - 27,840 (-20.2%)

10/16 Champions #1 - 334,937
11/16 Champions #2 - 49,733 (-85.2%)
12/16 Champions #3 - 47,481 (- 4.5%)
01/17 Champions #4 - 34,969 (-26.4%)
02/17 Champions #5 - 31,344 (-10.4%)
02/17 Champions #1.MU ($5) - 20,999 (-33.0%)
03/17 Champions # 6 - 33,220 (+58.2%)
04/17 Champions # 7 - 27,734 (-16.5%)

>>93504713
10/16 Infamous Iron Man #1 - 73,735
11/16 Infamous Iron Man #2 - 40,225 (-45.4%)
12/16 Infamous Iron Man #3 - 40,546 (+ 0.8%)
01/17 Infamous Iron Man #4 - 36,373 (-10.3%)
02/17 Infamous Iron Man #5 - 29,685 (-18.4%)
03/17 Infamous Iron Man #6 - 28,319 (- 4.6%)
04/17 Infamous Iron Man #7 - 27,032 (- 4.6%)

04/17 America # 1 - 43,592
04/17 America # 2 - 23,987 (-45.0%)

05/16 Punisher #1 - 110,726
06/16 Punisher #2 - 47,524 (-57.1%)
07/16 Punisher #3 - 46,534 (- 2.1%)
08/16 Punisher #4 - 44,154 (- 5.1%)
09/16 Punisher #5 - 38,052 (-13.8%)
10/16 Punisher #6 - 35,344 (- 7.1%)
11/16 ---
12/16 Punisher #7 - 33,589 (- 5.0%)
01/17 Punisher #8 - 32,937 (- 1.9%)
02/17 Punisher #9 - 27,448 (-16.7%)
03/17 Punisher #10 - 28,433 (+ 3.6%)
04/17 Punisher #11 - 23,863 (- 16.1%)

Marvel died in 2014. The movie-inspired purges and political correctness overload killed what was left.

I haven't bought a single Marvel book since 2014 but go out of my way to buy DC even though they're also full of shit, just to make a statement. And given the sales figures I'm hardly alone.

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>>93504689
>>93504713
>>93504726

>>93504726
10/16 Jessica Jones #1 - 74,291
11/16 Jessica Jones #2 - 36,893 (-50.3%)
12/16 Jessica Jones #3 - 38,601 (+ 4.6%)
01/17 Jessica Jones #4 - 32,252 (-16.4%)
02/17 Jessica Jones #5 - 25,769 (-20.1%)
03/17 Jessica Jones #6 - 27,342 (+ 6.1%)
04/17 Jessica Jones #7 - 23,273 (-14.9%)

12/16 Hulk #1 - 89,810
01/17 Hulk #2 - 32,585 (-63.7%)
02/17 Hulk #3 - 27,968 (-14.2%)
03/17 Hulk #4 - 30,304 (+ 8.3%)
04/17 Hulk #5 – 22,644 (-25.3%)

07/16 Deadpool Mercs for Money #1 - 65,339
08/16 Deadpool Mercs for Money #2 - 36,571 (-44.0%)
09/16 Deadpool Mercs for Money #3 - 30,078 (-17.8%)
10/16 Deadpool Mercs for Money #4 - 29,881 (- 0.6%)
11/16 Deadpool Mercs for Money #5 - 26,591 (- 11.0%)
12/16 Deadpool Mercs for Money #6 - 23,264 (- 12.5%)
01/17 Deadpool Mercs for Money #7 - 24,632 (+ 5.9%)
02/17 Deadpool Mercs for Money #8 - 20,745 (- 15.8%)
03/17 Deadpool Mercs for Money #9 - 22,575 (+ 8.8%)
04/17 Deadpool Mercs for Money #10- 21,876 (- 3.1%) END

>>93504732
>2014

Nigga, Marvel died in 2004. It was on life support before that.

>>93504748
10/15 CA S. Wilson #1 - 62,535
10/15 CA S. Wilson #2 - 40,224 (-35.7%)
11/15 CA S. Wilson #3 - 33,984 (-15.5%)
12/15 CA S. Wilson #4 - 29,512 (-13.2%)
01/16 CA S. Wilson #5 - 29,081 (- 1.5%)
02/16 CA S. Wilson #6 - 27,111 (- 6.8%)
03/16 CA S. Wilson #7 - 54,881(+102.4%)
04/16 CA S. Wilson #8 - 31,052 (-43.4%) (Stand Off)
05/16 CA S. Wilson #9 - 27,480 (-11.5%) (Stand Off)
06/16 CA S. Wilson #10 - 31,989 (+16.4%) (CV2)
07/16 CA S. Wilson #11 - 29,145 (- 8.2%) (CV2)
08/16 CA S. Wilson #12 - 30,479 (+ 4.6%) (CV2)
09/16 CA S. Wilson #13 - 28,158 (- 7.6%) (CV2)
10/16 CA S. Wilson #14 - 27,702 (- 1.6%)
11/16 CA S. Wilson #15 - 22,006 (-20.6%)
12/16 CA S. Wilson #16 - 21,229 (- 3.5%)
01/17 CA S. Wilson #17 – 22,852 (+ 7.6%)
01/17 CA S. Wilson #18 – 21,848 (- 4.4%)
02/17 CA S. Wilson #19 - 18,105 (-17.1%)
03/17 CA S. Wilson #20 - 17,496 (- 3.4%)
04/17 CA S. Wilson #21 - 18,650 (+ 6.6%)

04/16- Gwenpool #1 - 100,852
05/16 Gwenpool #2 - 38,162 (-62.2%)
06/16 Gwenpool #3 - 33,018 (-13.5%)
07/16 Gwenpool #4 - 33,174 (+ 0.5%)
08/16 Gwenpool #5 - 30,232 (- 8.9%)
09/16 Gwenpool #6 - 25,890 (-14.4%)
10/16 Gwenpool #7 - 34,365 (+32.7%)
11/16 Gwenpool #8 - 24,395 (- 29.0%)
12/16 Gwenpool #9 - 20,031 (-17.9%)
01/17 Gwenpool #10 - 21,653 (+ 8.1%)
02/17 Gwenpool #11 - 17,975 (-17.0%)
02/17 Gwenpool #12 - 17,080 (- 5.0%)
03/17 Gwenpool #13- 26,850 (+ 57.2%)
04/17 Gwenpool #14- 17,972 (- 33.1%)

>>93504794

01/16 Captain Marvel #1 - 52,972
02/16 Captain Marvel #2 - 28,962 (-45.4%)
03/16 Captain Marvel #3 - 28,469 ( -1.7%)
04/16 Captain Marvel #4 - 25,156 (-11.6%)
05/16 Captain Marvel #5 - 23,812 (- 5.3%)
06/16 Captain Marvel #6 - 28,213 (+18.5%) (CV2)
07/16 Captain Marvel #7 - 23,895 (-15.3%) (CV2)
08/16 Captain Marvel #8 - 23,024 (- 3.5%) (CV2)
09/16 Captain Marvel #9 - 24,753 (+ 7.5%) (CV2)
10/16 ---
11/16 Captain Marvel #10 - 19,893 (-19.6%)
12/16 Mighty Captain Marvel #0 - 53,263
01/17 Mighty Captain Marvel #1 - 48,519 (-8.9%)
02/17 Mighty Captain Marvel #2 - 24,172 (-50.2%)
03/17 Mighty Captain Marvel #3 - 28,649 (+17.8%)
04/17 Mighty Captain Marvel #4 - 17,893 (-37.5%)

11/16 Ultimates 2 # 1- 34,646
12/16 Ultimates 2 # 2- 23,844 (-31.2%)
01/17 Ultimates 2 #3- 24,369 (+2.2%)
02/17 Ultimates 2 #4- 21,235 (-12.9%)
03/17 Ultimates 2 #5- 17,975 (-15.4%)
04/17 Ultimates 2 #6- 17,350 ( -3.5%)

10/16 Dr Strange Sorcerers Supreme #1 - 149,710
11/16 Dr Strange Sorcerers Supreme #2 - 29,349 (-80.4%)
12/16 Dr Strange Sorcerers Supreme #3 - 25,054 (-14.6%)
01/17 Dr Strange Sorcerers Supreme #4 - 26,098 (+ 4.1%)
02/17 Dr Strange Sorcerers Supreme #5 - 19,402 (-25.7%)
03/17 Dr Strange Sorcerers Supreme #6 - 18,094 (- 6.7%)
04/17 Dr Strange Sorcerers Supreme #7 - 16,887 (- 6.7%)

>>93504619
>The characters aren't as beloved as the rest

Not even a FF-fag, but I call bullshit on that. My first exposure was late 90's comics and the first movie, instantly liked the idea of stretchy powers and solid rock body powers but later became a Doom-fan because reasons and from what I saw and read, the Four have that same legendary status even Ike can't kill. Tell me with a straight face that if Marvel suddenly announced a brand new #1 Fantastic Four with all the members to reboot the series, there wouldn't be fans lined up with preorders asap.

Shit even I would buy a new number 1

>>93504813

12/15 Totally Awesome Hulk #1 - 74,471
01/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #2 - 39,469 (-47.0%)
02/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #3 - 35,709 ( - 9.5%)
03/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #4 - 35,285 ( - 1.2%)
04/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #5 - 31,165 (- 11.7%)
05/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #6 - 26,775 (- 14.1%)
06/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #7 - 30,808 (+15.1%) (CV2)
07/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #8 - 27,522 (- 9.2%) (CV2)
07/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #9 - 26,936 (- 2.1%) (CV2)
08/16 ---
09/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #10 - 26,193 (- 2.8%) (CV2)
10/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #11 - 26,259 (+ 1.3%) (CV2)
11/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #12 - 22,448 (-14.5%)
12/16 Totally Awesome Hulk #13 - 22,207 (- 1.1%)
01/17 Totally Awesome Hulk #14 - 22,847 (+ 2.9%)
01/17 Totally Awesome Hulk #15 - 23,623 (+ 3.4%)
02/17 Totally Awesome Hulk #16 - 18,136 (-23.2%)
03/17 Totally Awesome Hulk #17 - 23,020 (+26.9%)
03/17 Totally Awesome Hulk #1.MU - 16,040 (-30.3%) ($5)
04/17 Totally Awesome Hulk #18 - 16,009 (-0.8%)

>>93504825
02/17 Elektra #1 - 44,310
03/17 Elektra #2 - 19,712 (-55.5%)
04/17 Elektra #3 - 15,113 (-23.3%)

03/14 Silver Surfer #1 - 64,919 ( --- )
04/14 Silver Surfer #2 - 39,132 (-39.7%)
06/14 Silver Surfer #3 - 36,075 ( -7.8%)
07/14 Silver Surfer #4 - 32,747 ( -9.2%)
08/14 Silver Surfer #5 - 31,125 ( -5.0%)
10/14 Silver Surfer #6 - 28,052 ( -9.9%)
11/14 Silver Surfer #7 - 25,759 ( -8.2%)
12/14 ---
01/15 Silver Surfer #8 - 23,420 (- 9.1%)
02/15 Silver Surfer #9 - 21,716 (- 7.3%)
03/15 Silver Surfer #10 - 21,100 (- 2.8%)
04/15 Silver Surfer #11 - 20,776 (- 1.5%)
05/15 ---
06/15 Silver Surfer #12 - 20,704 (- 0.3%)
07/15 Silver Surfer #13 - 24,321 (+17.5%)
08/15 ---
09/15 Silver Surfer #14 - 23,008 (- 5.4%)
10/15 ---
11/15 Silver Surfer #15 - 21,343 (- 7.2%)
12/15 ---
01/16 Silver Surfer #1 - 57,633
02/16 Silver Surfer #2 - 25,009 (-56.6%)
03/16 - -
04/16 Silver Surfer #3 - 23,151 (- 7.4%)
05/16 Silver Surfer #4 - 21,063 (- 9.0%)
06/16 ---
07/16 Silver Surfer #5 - 20,165 (- 4.3%)
08/16 Silver Surfer #6 - 18,991 (- 5.8%)
09/16 ---
10/16 Silver Surfer #7 - 17,588 (- 7.4%)
11/16 ---
12/16 Silver Surfer #8 - 16,217 (- 7.8%)
01/17 ---
02/17 ---
03/17 Silver Surfer #9 – 16,082 (- 0.8%)
04/17 Silver Surfer #10 – 15,041 (- 6.5%)

>>93501875

This probably means they'll remove Doctor Doom as well, which will be some fuckery since he's the main villain of the story mode and the whole reason for this shitty game. I bet they'll eventually replace him with Thanos or some shit. HEY GUYS IT'S THAT GUY YOU LOVE FROM THE MOVIES

>>93504029
I miss this Ben. I miss back when he was a genuinely good guy that was rough around the edges. He wasn't the smartest, or the most social, but you couldn't find someone with a bigger heart.

>That time he fought Dragon Man in the skies of New York, and was willing to die to keep everyone safe

>>93505206
Marvel has been trying to force Doom as an Avengers/Iron Man villain for a while. It's fucking stupid.

>>93504825
>>93504825
>not counting the Monsters Unleashed one-shot separately
Fuck you Xavier. http://desuarchive.org/co/thread/93400637/#93403379

>>93504713
> 02/17 Champions #5 - 31,344 (-10.4%)
> 03/17 Champions #6 - 33,220 (+5.8%)
> 04/17 Champions #7 - 27,734 (-16.5%)
> 05/17 Champions #8 - 24,602 (-12%)
ftfy

>>93506033

Which is pointless because the rights to Doom is still with Fox.

>There are a number of great characters that are available in the hit game Marvel Heroes. Unfortunately, there are about to be a few less.

>Gazillion has noted in its latest blog post that characters tied in with the Fantasic Four, including Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing, Human Torch and the Silver Surfer, will no longer be available for purchase starting on July 1, 2017. The company noted that “under Gazillion’s renewed licensing agreement, we do not have the rights to continue selling these characters moving forward,” but didn’t specifically mention if Fox was involved. (It currently holds the cinematic rights to the characters.)

>“You will have until Wednesday (6/28) at 2:00 PM PDT to purchase those heroes with Eternity Splinters,” the company noted. “This change will also affect all costumes for those characters as well as Future Foundation costumes for other characters.”

>It also noted, “However, players who have already purchased or unlocked any of these affected characters and costumes before July 1 will be able to them continue playing them as usual.”

>>93506128

>>Additional details include:
>As mentioned, if you already own any of the affected Heroes or costumes, you will still be able to use them as always.
>Achievements and Login Rewards that currently award a H.E.R.B.I.E. will offer new rewards.
>Fantastic Four and Silver Surfer-related achievements will remain, but will not be attainable without these Heroes.

>>Additionally, these costumes will be affected by the removal of these characters:
>Spider-Man Future Foundation (& Black Variant)
>Spider-Man Bag Man
>Ghost Rider – What if?
>Doctor Doom Future Foundation
>Mr. Fantastic Future Foundation
>Invisible Woman Future Foundation
>Thing Future Foundation
>Mr. Fantastic All New Marvel NOW!
>Invisible Woman’s Ultimate FF
>Thing All New Marvel NOW!
>Thing Black Jersey
>Thing Fantastic Pants
>Thing Fear Itself
>Thing Incognito
>Thing Modern
>Human Torch 2099
>Human Torch Classic Blue
>Human Torch Light Brigade
>Human Torch Modern
>Human Torch Original
>Human Torch Red
>Human Torch Uncanny Inhumans
>Silver Surfer Classic
>Silver Surfer Exiles
>Silver Surfer Keeper
>Silver Surfer Silver Savage

>“Even though the Fantastic Four and Silver Surfer will be unavailable to purchase starting on July 1, Gazillion will continue to support these Heroes with the upcoming Omega items, ongoing tuning, bug fixing, and the same attention we give to all characters in our ever-growing roster of playable Heroes and Villains,” the company noted.

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>>93503721
>>93504146
The Fantastic Three is coming out as part of the Moon Girl book. M-G, Thing and Human Torch.

>I fully expect in a few years we'll see a four-issue "Fantastic Four" series starring X23, some Hulk, some Ghost Rider and some Spider-character just to hold onto the rights.
oh you

>>93503684
I couldn't stand Hickman's run because he didn't give a fuck about the characters. Especially Reed went from a reserved, distracted, but heroic man to Captain Self Diagnosed Autism the Super Atheist.

Dude's fucking BEEN to the afterlife and told his dying kids there was nothing because idk what a wretched scene.

>>93504726
Where's Invincible Iron-Riri sales?

Fuck the MCU.

Fuck Ike.

It's gone from a glorious time to be alive to nothing but shit

>>93504146
>I fully expect in a few years we'll see a four-issue "Fantastic Four" series starring X23, some Hulk, some Ghost Rider and some Spider-character just to hold onto the rights.
Anon I...

>>93506211
No. NO.

>>93506459
Yeah sorry to tell you mate. Marvel really seems to be entrenched in this post-2000 idea of "smartest characters" being a thing, so they're pimping Moon Girl pretty hard. I don't know if it's meant to be a permanent thing or just a short story, but supposedly it begins in the MG ongoing. They're also getting one of those legacy covers

>>93506281
That one was clearly a joke

>>93506126
1) Doom is too notable to phase out at this point, considering Marvel spent years hyping him up
2) They might be trying to push Doom in a way that makes FOX give them usage like Spider-Man

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>>93506211
>Moon Girl
>Fantastic 3

Fucking kill me

Why are some characters from the FF comics not included in the Fox rights, like Adam Warlock or the Inhumans?

>>93506106
Out of a 300 million population, these circulation numbers are flat out embarrassing.

>>93506518
Because the film rights agreement was convoluted as fuck

For instance, it supposedly involves Super Skrull, but not the Skrull themselves. So Marvel can use the Skrull, but not Super Skrull.

>>93506516
Rest in piece, anon

>>93504823
>reboot the series
continue the series is ok, reboot plz no, they could see them as a transgender refugge family from Syria or something like that

>>93501875
I'm just glad that Kang is somehow immune to these shenanigans unlike Doom and all the other villains Fox has its hands on.

>>93506622
>Marvel can use Skrulls, definitive to FF more so than Avengers (minus Kree/Skrull War)
>Marvel can't use Kang, one of the main villains of the Avengers

>>93504755
Actually Marvel died in 1989.

>>93502963
Marvel has the comic merch and presumably shares of any cartoon merch; FOX has the movie merch rights.

However, even though FOX keeps fucking up the movies, they probably can point to the amount of merchandise they sell, compared to the amount Marvel sells (even at a peak since 2005, when FOX's first movie came out) and argue that some fraction of Marvel's sales since then has been due to cross-promotion of what are in effect two separate but highly similar brands.

It's a very complex argument and one that, on the face of things, you might assume is doomed to failure and a court returning Marvel the FF rights or ordering FOX to stop being dicks about merch rights, but that's not why you bring copyright cases; very rarely does a company (in this case Marvel Comics, which is nowhere near as rich as Marvel Studios, who have nothing to do with the FF - and that's exactly why you break up your assets, to prevent this kind of corporate raid) have the money to pay costs and damages (which can run very high); conversely, if you're bringing a suit, you may find yourself receiving only a small amount of money - not enough to cover your costs. This is important to both sides because the first thing you do when you're sued is... counter-sue.

However if FOX were to come to court with an argument like this (and they'll have been rattling off letters about that possibility), it would be simpler for both sides to settle and agree terms between themselves. Ruinous, pointless court case averted, everybody gets money, right? Wrong. Because FOX would almost certainly be getting more than they have now.

So to protect the FF - to prevent FOX from owning them in whole, forever, and their never appearing in any Marvel media again - it's necessary for the time being to remove them as a team - no headline book, no claim that FOX is driving its sales with a shitty movie (because even the shittiest movie sells millions more tickets than any comic book sells issues).

>>93503012
I would argue that Byrne is most famous for drawing Spider-Man and Avengers, but there you go. I guess the toaster-hating pedophile sees himself in a different light.

>>93507373
Kang was probably named in the FF rights, same as Super-Skrull.

Marvel can use Skrulls, just not Super-Skrull (because he has the FF's powers combined and is explicitly part of their rights). But as with Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch (and likely Beast), Marvel having the shared rights to characters isn't necessarily something they want to use.

>>93509669
Kirby must be rolling is his grave

>>93501875
my manufactured outrage is through the roof!

>>93508455
Nah, give them the early 90s. We still got some great stuff until 95ish, then they went on life support.

>>93509669
probably more for the fact that he doesn't even own that iconic piece of artwork than for the fact DD and MG are on it.

>>93509669
NO
WHY
FUCK

Also making Galactus mad is stupid. The whole point is that our world's destruction is beneath his care.

>>93504732
>Marvel died in 2014
>I haven't bought a single Marvel book since 2014

This might surprise you, but there are non-you people on the planet.

>>93509565

Byrne is most famous for drawing X-Men and Fantastic Four (marvel) and Superman (DC).

You would argue that *you* know him from Spider-Man and Avengers but the rest of the world doesn't remember him for that work. He did like 2 issues of Avengers and a dozen or so of WCA. He did a bit more Spidey work but that work was so disliked that nobody remembers it *on purpose*.

>>93509552
I'd believe that if Deadpool stopped getting comicsand merchandise.

>>93509973
Not him, but anyone still buying current Marvel comics are cancer.

>>93503276
Was that series the only good comics Slott ever wrote?

>>93501875
>There's totally no ban, guys. It's just a conspiracy theory!

Who has ever said this? The FF have obviously been pushed to the back burner for awhile now.

It's those mutie-loving X-Men fags that are the paranoid conspiracy theorists.

>>93509898
There's always a handful of good books among the shit, even now.

>>93510751
And they keep getting cancelled.

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>>93510690
M A R V E L
I S
R E M O V I N G
T H E
M U T A N T S

Guys you don't understand. If they phase out the Fantastic Four, that means they'll also start phasing out everything connected to them, which is like 90% of Cosmic.

Perlmutter needs to fucking die already.

But he's a powerful Jew, so of course he has the same immortality powers as Stan Lee.

>>93510784
GotG and stuff related to them will stay.

>>93509963
Galactus probably has nothing to do with the story (and he doesn't eat planets anymore). It's just an homage cover.

Are the higher-ups at Marvel just trying to see how long they can get away with spitting on Kirby's legacy?

>>93510784
They still use plenty of FF stuff.

I know it's just a hypothetical situation that will never happen in our lifetime, but does /co/ honestly think that if Marvel got the film rights to FF back from Fox, would their be a resurgence of FF merch and a new book out on stands?

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>>93510631
There were others.

>>93509898
Busiek Avengers and Iron Man, Waid Cap and Jugens Thor came out in 97/98. Those are all good books.

>>93501875
>>93501875
Didn't this game just put the X-men in like a month ago? I don't understand.

>>93511030

>Pushing a group of white people with no minorities

'no'

>>93504034
>>93504097
>>93504399

The Fantastic Four are suppose to be Marvel's FIRST FAMILY. They can't really be that when Avengers, GOTG, etc are all formed and accounted for. Them being in the 60s allows them to precede all those characters, while utilizing the 60s aesthetic that is so heavily tied to them.

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>>93501875

If they're going to be so petty about it why not just kill them? They could just revive them if they ever get the rights back.

>>93510690
t. shill

>>93503522
There are so many X-Men, that Marvel Studios still has the rights to them. Isn't that after a certain date, most of the new characters belong to Marvel? Cause they had the rights to Negasonic Teenage Warhead, but wanted Ego the Living Planet, so they traded.

>>93504457
But black captain marvel is hotter. Or is looking like a lesbian part of butch captain marvel's charm?

>>93504034
>It's really insane just how much influence movies have on how people think, even movies they don't like.

Elderly Americans dream in black and white because the movies they grew up with were in black and white. Americans who aren't elderly dream in color. Movies influence more than just how you think on a conscious level.

>>93509552
ther'es no way in hell they can lose the cahracter. no court would ever say "hey your license is more popular that the original owner and licenser's ever was, the IP's yours now"

someone at marvel probably fucked up merchandising rights for the FF

>>93512238
t. buttblasted mugga hugga

>>93506276
11/16 Invincible Iron Man # 1- 97,713
12/16 Invincible Iron Man # 2- 81,271 (-16.8%)
01/17 Invincible Iron Man # 3- 44,184 (-45.7%)
02/17 Invincible Iron Man #4- 36,600 (-17.2%)
03/17 Invincible Iron Man #5- 38,746 (+ 5.9%)
04/17 Invincible Iron Man #6- 31,561 (-18.5%)

>>93513506
t. shill

>>93513664
Damn.

>>93515097
And if you were also wondering, #7 went below 30,000.