I still don't understand why they didn't just drop

>>93461928
Because adding Sabretooth would've convulted the shit out of things. You can't just meatfist a major character like that.

>>93461956
With Sabertooth you could, Just make a certain date on the calendar.

I wish they used Daken instead too. Even if he was Daken in appearance only.

>>93461928
X-24 represents Logan's worst fear, being nothing more than a weapon. It's why he tells Laura not be what they made her to be.

>>93461928
in the commentary the directer mentions that adding an actual character like sabertooth would of required to much screen time and adding him in halfway through the movie would of required a lot of dialogue to make him an actual character. He then goes on to explain how he wanted wolverine to face something that he would have frightened him and using an evil version of him was an easy solution

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>>93463449
>It's okay to be lazy if you wrap it in MUH SYMBOLISM

>>93461928

My understanding of this character was to show how far Logan'd come in dealing with his inherently savage nature and what depths he'd avoided permanently plunging to.

>>93463789

Shut the fuck up you impotent cockbag. It makes more sense for the film than some fan service bullshit like Daken or Victor.

>>93463789
Yes, that's literally correct.
It's called constructing a narrative. They totally could have just tossed in any number of namedrop characters from the comics, but instead they decided to do something original for once and create something with a bit more meat to it beyond "now here comes *character* you've heard of".

It's Logan coming to terms with himself, figuratively and literally. And while it would have been cool to see Sabertooth in there somewhere, it would have just been distracting in the end.

>>93461928
Shouldn't have had anything. Over the top bullshit like this keeps it from being the great movie people claimed it to be. Yeah Mangold mentions in the commentary that he invented nega-Wolverine because using an established character would have required an explanation and that he wanted Logan to face a savage mirror of himself.

But that's such utter bullshit. All the fear of his being created to be a weapon is already wrapped up into X-23's story. This is just a excuse for a retarded fight that drags the movie down to the same level as all the other generic superhero movies.

>>93464042
Fuck all that, amiright?
More fanservice!

>>93461928
Nah, Omega Red could've been better for the final movie

>>93464424
This make him like some Russian-made mutant hunter.

This movie was fucking garbage because it decided to be for the "fans"... and by fans they meant the 17 people who enjoyed the solo wolvie flicks.

The whole point of the film was that it wasn't some homage to the comics. It wasn't about referencing the books to cause people to bounce up and down in their chairs shouting "I got that reference!"

The whole point of the film was Xavier, Logan and Laura. That's what they wanted you to focus on, and not be distracted by all the nonsense other comic book films throw at you.

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>>93465435
>This movie was fucking garbage

>>93463789
>>Anon sitting bored in his chair because he wanted cameos up the wazoo and post credits scenes.

>>93465435
>This movie was fucking garbage because it decided to be for the "fans"... and by fans they meant the 17 people who enjoyed the solo wolvie flicks.

$615,370,366 Box office

In fact, most normies who are getting tired of Capefilms LOVED this film.

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originally Sabertooth was going to be in the casino in Vegas and they go to him for help to try and hide them, but scheduling fucked it up, which is a shame since Liev Schreiber was the only good thing about Origins

>>93465460
>>93465508
And yet you'd probably shit on avengers making twice that.

I say that as someone who hates the avengers in comics and on screen.

Movie was fucking garbage.

>>93461928
>Sabertooth or Daken, hell even Cyber

None of them would have meant anything. Pointless cameos that are distracting from the narrative if they don't forward the story meaningfully or have a thematic connection.

Victor Creed could have worked with a lot of retooling of the script but Liev Schreiber was busy doing his tv show Ray Donovan.

Daken would have changed the nature of the story, Dake nand Laura would then be competing for Logan's legacy, which doesn't really work if Laura is just being introduced.

Cyber is no one.

>>93465508
>Normies loved it
>It made money
Jesus christ what the fuck happened to /co/? People will say anything to defend a shitty movie these days.

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>>93465551
>Movie was fucking garbage.

I enjoyed both Logan and the first Avengers movie. Age of Ultron wasn't as good.
I don't consider box office revenue to be a correlation to quality.

Logan was excellent and your criticism seems to come from a really juvenile place.

>>93465551

How the fuck was it made for the fans of the other two Wolverine solo movies, retard? It went out of it's way to have fuck all anything to do with them what with being in the new timeline, in fact the only hint that anything from the other movies happened was the Liberty island incident.

>>93465585
Juvenile?

Like that little girl slicing through limbs? Adamantium claws aren't light sabers.

Or how about the juvenile autistic clone of Logan? Who couldn't speak. Oh that's right, Mangold explained that one as some sad shadow of Logan so that means its super fucking artistic.

Or how about literally squezing a pair of tits into the movie for "babies first R movie" or jamming 40 fucks into the first hour because "THIS ISNT FOR KIDS".

This movie is as juvenile as it gets and the only emotional levity comes from 17 years of sequels and nostalgia fagging.

The praise for this movie comes from the most juvenile people ever. The type of person that cheered when logan killed the mehicans in the opening scene.

>>93465551
It's Rated R. Which meant it couldn't be shown in China and cut off the kid demographic.
>>93465582
The film was shitty for not breaking tone to have a comic book character show up in the film and then have Wolverine go into a GRRR off?

>>93461928
X24 is a pleb filter and you got filtered.

>>93465646
No the film was shitty for including that type of villain at all. That character didn't need to exist for the movie to play out exactly as it did.

That's why the movie's garbage. Calaban dying added nothing. x-24 fighting Logan savagely instead of the Hick guy that chased him in the first half was superfluous. The shane scene added nothing to the film. The 45 minute farm detour added nothing to the film. the kids from mexico speaking english added nothing to the film. the perfectly edited behind the scenes documentary shot by mehico lady added nothing to the film.

Children look past these problems.

>>93465674
Shane scene was the best part since you got to watch a good movie for a minute.

>>93465634

>Like that little girl slicing through limbs? Adamantium claws aren't light sabers.
A very sharp knife is a very sharp knife.
>Or how about the juvenile autistic clone of Logan?
He was controlled by voice commands. He was a mute mindless killer by design.
>Or how about literally squezing a pair of tits into the movie for "babies first R movie" or jamming 40 fucks into the first hour because "THIS ISNT FOR KIDS".
The tits showed that Logan was in such a low place he could be objectified by a young woman. The swearing was used in a natural way.
>This movie is as juvenile as it gets and the only emotional levity comes from 17 years of sequels and nostalgia fagging.
Your opinion is poorly cited.
>The praise for this movie comes from the most juvenile people ever. The type of person that cheered when logan killed the mehicans in the opening scene.

You seem to have a very juvenile response to other people liking the movie.

>>93465674

Bro, you're flippantly trying to disqualify every major part of the movie because you can't seem to find a real criticism to point your finger at.

>>93465526
Is this from the game?
It looks decent, is it worth a playthrough?

>>93465683

You've never even watched Shane.

>>93465730
Yes.
It's fun, but suffers from being a movie tie-in.

>>93465715
>>93465729
And the video tape the mexican woman left for logan? I'm sure you have some 12 year old's reasoning for that as well. There isn't a flippant thing about anything I pointed out. It's very fucking obvious and in your face. Flippant would be "why is Calaban still around?"

>>93465755
It's a shame that I'll have to pirate it.
Any other X-Men tie-ins worthwhile, even just to be those characters?

>>93465780
>And the video tape the mexican woman left for logan? I'm sure you have some 12 year old's reasoning for that as well.

Mexicans can use cellphones.

And yes, it is narratively convenient that she assembled several videos into one perfectly made for Logan to watch. Logan having to stop and watch different clips would have been more realistic, but an unnecessary distraction from her conveying the information.

I'm sorry your immersion was ruined. Maybe they can edit the movie next time to Logan swiping through her nude selfies and videos.

>>93465851
>Yes, that was garbage
>I'm sorry it ruined the movie for you
>Maybe they'll make it less garbage next time

I agree.

>>93465780
>>93465851
My main issue with the video was that, when the phone's battery died and was recharged, it started right back up without him having to go into the videos and find it again.
Phones don't usually do that anymore.

>>93464042

>Evil clone
>Original

>>93465508
>most normies who are getting tired of Capefilms
Normies aren't getting tired of capes. Hell, most comic nerds aren't. You just live in an echo chamber of contrarian bullshit.

>>93465634
Whatever you have to tell yourself to maintain a feeling of superiority I guess.. . . .

>>93465867
You've made one valid criticism of a minor plot point in the film.
Put your shoes on, slugger, Daddy's taking you out for ice cream.

>>93465873
Isn't it set in 2029? Maybe they'll do that in the future.
Maybe they just do that in the fictional universe they're in.

>>93465906
You're literally trying to take the "adult road" while defending a garbage flick made for 12 year olds to see their first rated R movie.

Blow your fuckin brains out shitskin. Only spics are this shallow.

>>93465915
Well, they used to do that but smart phones have to reboot everything when turned on and off.
Even if the phone did remember what video he was watching, at the very least he'd have to fast forward back to where he was.
It's really the only thing in the movie that I find highly unrealistic.

>>93465935
This some weak bait, pretend-/pol/.

>>93465781
Honestly, the biggest flaws for me were repeating bosses and the fact that it's too short. Otherwise it's a good gory slasher game
X-Men Legends 1 and 2 are good, but as I have learned, Diablo-like mechanics are not for everyone.
X-Men Official Game is pretty shit, but Nightcrawler parts are fun.

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What was the point of this guys having cyber limbs if they didn't do jack shit with them?

>>93465906
>minor plot point
>Literally the ONLY reason he agrees to do the fucking thing.
As if Logan from the comics would have needed a familial connection in lieu of the money that was lied about

>>93465981
>have prosthetic arms and shit
>for some reason they're not supposed to work like arms
these guts hunt mutants, there's a good chance they lost those limbs naturally.

>>93465936
I'm just saying 12 years is a long time in device advancement. 12 years ago, we didn't even have what are now universally known as (even though the term has been around since the mid-90's) smartphones.

>>93465981
I think they just wanted to have more than the regular goons we've had before.
At least the Reavers are interesting to look despite not amount to more than said regular goons.

>>93465974
Wait, the Legends games are tie-ins?
I've already played through them, but I thought they were their own thing.
Legends 1 having Magma it was Magma, right? as the main character was an interesting, if outside the box, choice.

>but Nightcrawler parts are fun.
I've seen those parts on Youtube and they did look pretty good.
I'll have to torrent it at some point.

>>93466013
I know, but it's the only thing in the movie that bothers me.
Hard to not to focus on it.

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>>93465935

Your post doesn't have any valid criticism drawn from an observation of the film.

>>93465610
Really? It was basically the same movie, what are you talking about? Just like The Wolverine it follows the same formula of
>Logan is a miserable asshole
>Mysterious people offer him new chance of heroics
>He says no
>Eventually changes his mind
>Eventually realizes life is worth protecting blablabla

Don't get me wrong, the much welcomed R-rating and Laura make the movie more memorable, not to mention the ending (which was basically only due to Jackman retiring from the role), but overall the movie wasn't that much of a departure from what we've seen before

>>93465998

Logan in the film was destitute, saving up for a boat for Xavier. The death of the other x-men and the decline of his physical health had made Logan a miserly, and more selfish and withdrawn person.

You know how I know that? It's show in the film and conveyed through the story.

See, I'm drawing a conclusion from something I observed. I'm analyzing the film from interpreting it as it really exists.

>>93466015
>Wait, the Legends games are tie-ins?
No, I'm just a bit stupid.
Also, speaking of movie tie-ins, X2: Wolverine's Revenge was pretty good and ambitious (it had both action and stealth sections, the bosses required use of strategies rather than only head on fighting, it was pretty much Arkham before Arkham even if not as good) but it falls short sometimes.

>>93466057
>I don't like what you're saying so it isn't valid.
Jesus, I didn't know we had FOX shills here now too.

>>93466096
>No, I'm just a bit stupid.
Don't worry about it, they're good games to recommend to people anyway.
>X2: Wolverine's Revenge was pretty good and ambitious
I remember playing this years back.
There was an upgrade system, I think?

>>93466109
>>I don't like what you're saying so it isn't valid.
That's literally what you just did lmao

>>93466140
When did I do that?

>>93466109

I called you out for namecalling rather than forming an argument, and you responded with more namecalling.

I guess i'm a shill for good debate. And you're a shill for being a little bitch.

We're all shills in the end. Shills for only ourselves.

>>93466130
I don't remember much about that, sorry.
Then again, it's been a decade since I last played it.

>>93466169
You told me I had one valid criticism after not even attempting to touch the rest of my criticisms. Then you called me slugger and implied I was a child. After implying I was being juvenile earlier. You faggots started the ad homs. While defending a childish movie.

You're a shill because you dodge and weave without touching my points. I've maintained this movie is garbage. I've been told I'm juvenile. Why can't any of you defend this garbage movie without trying to call the people who don't like it juvenile?

>>93466265
>the people
It's just you, junior.
Act like a child, get treated like a child.

>>93466255
>a decade
Where does the time go?
Feels like it's only been a few years at most.

>>93466322
>he's still calling a grown man junior as if it's a rebuttal
>If I wanted to I could defend this shitty movie but I won't because YOU'RE the child

I'm guessing deep down you know this movie is garbage with such a flimsy defense.

>>93466265
>Why can't any of you defend this garbage movie

I don't have to. The movie stands by its own merits. You have to prove your point by making criticisms from observations of the film. All you've given are your OPINIONS of what you've seen.

You have yet to form an argument by articulating why the story decisions detract from the film.

>>93466265
Actually . . . you are juvenile for insisting that someone get in an internet fight with you.

People like stuff you dont.
Deal.

>>93466345
>tfw sometimes it feels like you Web of Shadows came out a couple of months back
Fuck ;_;

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>>93466265

I'm not the guy you're arguing with but holy shit are you a triggered little bitch.

Also movie was awesome, so (to keep in line with your level of argument) go fuck yourself.

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>>93461928
do you guys not understand the point was to have Weapon X vs Logan? This was Logan killing the man he used to be, just a mad killer.

>>93461928
The kids in the third act nearly ruined the whole movie for me.

>>93466700
this is valid criticism. the other experiment kids were useless.

What do you think X-24 liked to eat? I bet he liked ice cream.

>>93466557
>this was logan killing the man he used to be just a mad killer

Other way around actually. This was Logan getting killed by the man he used to be. Moral of the story is don't change who you are for others. It will fuck you over in the long run. Logan learned the hard way.

>>93466557
Except in the movies he was literally never a mad killer. And this movie, which likes to be removed from movie "canon" when it suits the movie but within "canon" when it feels like, they can't just opperate on that assumption. They gave him NO back story in-movie because the fans are supposed to know his backstory but at the same time they disregard the comics and prior movies. So he has no backstory.

>>93467255
He was a mad killer in his Apocalypse cameo if you count that.

>>93467491
Why would I? They wanted this movie in it's own timeline. So that's what I'll view it as.

>>93467512
>Why would I?
Because his cameo and the post-credits scene literally foreshadowed the movie Logan.

>>93461928
Everything that Sabretooth accomplishes thematically as an evil exaggeration of Wolverine can be accomplished through X-24, without cluttering the narrative with unnecessary cameos that would detract from the 3 main characters and dedicating screentime to building up a throwaway character.
They even gave him Liev Schreiber's buzzcut for the specific purpose of making that connection.

>>93467586
How did they foreshadow it?

Also, again, if the movie wants to remove itself from timelines why should I try to tie it into a different movie? Just so this movie can have some emotional baggage?

>>93467631
Did you not watch the movie?
Since you either have a shit memory or you've not seen it, go watch it on Youtube.

>>93467657
>I made something up
>Go spend all day trying to figure out my bullshit
Nah, how about you prove your own point.

>>93467701
Okay, so you've not seen the movie.
I have a feeling you haven't even seen Logan either.

>>93467722
>okay, so I refuse to make my point and I'll just insinuate you haven't seen the thing we're talking about in order to not prove how dumb I am

I can't make your point for you. Especially if I think it's wrong.

>>93467799
ok

>>93467826
So you realized it was you who misremembered? Because his autistic freakout in AOA was literally just a reason to have him in the helmet and wires. The movie didn't even need to, narratively speaking, go to WX facility.

>>93467592
>They even gave him Liev Schreiber's buzzcut for the specific purpose of making that connection.
I've heard a lot of people thought that X-24 was Liev's Sabretooth in his initial scene with Charles, so it was a job well done.

>>93467846
ok

>>93464126
Should have just remade Rambo with wolverine.

>>93467865
I guess you've realized you said something stupid. And now, since you're as autistic as the rest of us, you can't just move on and close the tab, you're going to sit here and reply "ok" as if it makes it seem you aren't as invested as you are.

>>93467937
ok

>>93461928
Only wolverine can kill... wolverine!