Why are internet animators so useless? >lazy >can't

>>93416484
The Zach hate is getting redundant. Why can't we shit on Hot Diggity Demon? He hasn't made anything good since dress.mov, and swag.mov was fucking garbage and ruined the series. It's like he suddenly became a brony and felt awful for depicting the characters in such an unflattering fashion, so he tried to undo everything.

Also, his forerays into drama are fucking cringeworthy.

That being said, Zach should take a page from Oney. Zach is definitely the Garfunkel of the two.

18 year old here, is it normal I have never heared about these people like Oney and Zach until recently?

>>93416693
>Why can't we shit on Hot Diggity Demon?

Except we have, many times?

>>93416737
18 year old here. No it isnt.

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>>93416484
Why does no one ever talk about SexuaLobster?
I mean sure, he isn't the best animator; but he's still pushing out content.

Also props to Michael Cusack. Glad he's getting paid to animate now.

>>93416737
26 year old here. Honestly not surprising given how little work they put out nowadays.
And if you're like me and don't give a fuck about Let'sPlayers, they are basically off hour radar.

>>93416484

And uses a shitty voice as humor when he was on that podcast.

>>93416762
I guess I'm never here for it. I've only ever seen people sucking his dick about his genius animations and explaining why "Invader Zim Lost Episode" is hilarious.

Also, was the leaked Hellbenders feature length episode what they submitted to Adult Swim? Because now I understand why they got shot down.

>>93416801
Even after all these years I think Wrong Number is fucking genius.

>>93416918
I've watched that more times than I can remember

>>93416693
Why should we shit on HotDiggityDemon, especially right now? He's fucking homeless and going through some tough times.

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>>93417094
Oh yeah kek

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>>93417094
What? Got a quote or something, too tired to look for anything on his site or twitter or whatever the hell.

>>93416737
24 year old here. I only knew about these guys from newgrounds. Once YouTube became big I never even remembered them.

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Also at least Yotam still makes content semi regularly, although it isn't as interesting as before.

>>93416484
>he doesn't know Zach's creating the Gremblo Cinematic Universe to overthrow the mouse once and for all
Pleb

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>>93417335
>friend shows you gremblo
>think its another shitty meme like good morning mandy or Beter
>lose my shit over the little fuck running with a knife

sorry im really out of the loop can someone explain the situation to me

>>93416484
>Caring about YouTube animators at all
Most of them are crap and formulaic
>DUDE VIDEO GAMES
>DUDE GORE
>DUDE WEED
>DUDE SEX
They're basically family guy tier

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Not necessarily an animator per se but this fuck puts out some pretty good stuff

>can't get real jobs
Except most of them do have "real jobs", at least a majority of the original NGs crew does.

Do you actually think Oney just does his LPs? He works for Arin and Jeff and Corey work for Tom Fulp.

They don't shit out cartoons because for one they take a lot longer to make, even the short little ones, than you think and two they make next to no money from Youtube anymore.

So you're demanding they spend weeks of work to make a cartoon only to release it and make no money from it while at the same time having to pay to simply eat and live.

Animators need to just animate as a hobby because as soon as it becomes a job or business to them the work becomes sloppy and rushed out

Ever think there's a reason Arin gave up and releases 6, 10 minute videos a day?

>>93417513
>Ever think there's a reason Arin gave up and releases 6, 10 minute videos a day?
Arin is a piece of shit regardless.

>>93417395
It's the exact same dumb expression he has every time while doing dumb shit combined with his weird appearance that gets me giggling like an idiot at this shit.

I don't know if it's my autism or whatever but just the way he looks and what he does just gives a me a pitch perfect voice of what he'd sound like in my head. Coincidentally enough, before even watching it, Sr Pelo's video he put on Twitter had him with nearly the EXACT tone and inflection I had in my head.

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>>93416484

>lazy
This is you being blatantly disingenuous.

>Can't get real jobs
They can, but that would mean spending less time animating which means it would take even longer to put out content which you'd just bitch about anyways.

>Unskilled in both art and writing
Fluctuates between people so it's an irrelevant point, if you didn't think their art or writing was good you wouldn't watch their content.

>Takes months for them to make small cartoons
Animation takes time you fucking retard.

>Can't do anything without relying on LP/Patreon money
It's not the animators faults that Youtube decided that their content was worthless and they moved on to whatever wasn't. None of us can do anything without relying on money and this point you're trying to make is fucking meaningless.

>Even then they still manage to do jack shit
Animation still takes time even if people are paying for the animators food, rent and bills. I don't understand what is so difficult about this concept.

>Acts butthurt/self-righteous if anyone calls them out on it
Calls them out on what exactly? Everything you listed is a YOU problem that would be solved by you not watching their shit.

Calling someone lazy because they aren't pumping content out fast enough for you doesn't make you look good. Neither does bitching at them for not getting a "real job" while complaining that they take too long to make new content and then getting pissy when they're able to work on their projects full time but they get money in ways you disagree with.

>>93417505
Spoilers Ahead is some top tier shit

>>93416801
I'll always remember him as Greasymoose

>>93416902
Link to the leak?

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>>93416484
>unskilled in both art and writing
>takes months for them to shit out a small cartoon

you answered your own question. now what are you actually mad over?

>>93417552
Every actual fan interaction I've ever seen about the guy says he's incredibly humble and warm. He just kinda sucks at video games.

I hope you guys are enjoying Gremblo the latest forced meme

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>>93417505
His cynic bit gets old fast though. He's like E.R if he was less redpilled

>>93417734
>Adolf
>Toilet
He deserved to lose them

>>93417505
Sanity not Included went right to shit once he left

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>>93417734
>Adolf and Toilet

>>93417639
Same.

On another note, I wish all the Australian flash animators would come together to make a big wankfest of an animation. Or at the very least a crossover.

>>93417735
This. Overall I do genuinely enjoy Lyle but I'd be lying if the cynicism and nihilism didn't get at least a bit much.

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>>93417734
For whatever reason he cannot afford the apartment he was living in. He makes a decent amount on his patreon for every Brain Dump video he makes but he said in another tweet he can't make any videos.

>>93417734
Someone go adopt his cats

>>93417735
>E.R
Lyle is at least watchable. E.R is like /pol/ and /tv/ colliding and that shit gets old within a single video
>movie/show isn't good
>THE FUCKING JEWS

>>93417735
yeah I feel that. Personally I don't mind it but I can totally see how that could turn people off

>>93417787
>>93417734
That really sucks, I can't believe I hadn't heard about that. Probably a really shitty random turn of events.

>>93417094
>homeless

what the fuck

>>93416484
Are you referring to big internet animators or all of them in general?

>>93417734
>the black one only has one ear

WELL I KNOW WHICH ONE IS GETTING EUTHANIZED AND WHICH ONE IS GETTING ADOPTED

>>93417819
But /pol/ and /tv/ have been colliding since at least 2012

>>93416737
>>93416835
>>93417294
Also 26. I assume if you're in your 20s you're probably more likely to know random internet personalities than if you're a teenager.

>>93416693
>his ending wasn't totally depressing so clearly he likes thing!

ponies haven't been relevant in years, let go of your butthurt towards them already

>>93416801
Lobster is the man, isn't bitching, rarely shills, hasn't compromised his content, he's doing his own thing and I have mad respect for him.

>>93416902
link the leak or it never happened

>>93416737
Zach I can understand, but there's no way at least one Oney vid never hit your recommendeds/newsfeed

>>93417607
This.
So glad I didn't have to type that but I agree with all of it.

>>93417787
>>93417734
why'd he cut the one's ear off

>>93417505
i remember when he used to make Halo 3 machinima

>>93417662
he also defends his wife ripping people the fuck off

>>93417662
no, arin is an arrogant piece of shit that knows nothing of the real world because he got off easy in life

>>93417734
>Adolf and Toilet

I don't even want to know

>>93418794
>knows nothing of the real world
I go to Arin for cartoons and Let's Play silliness, whether he knows about the real world doesn't matter for what I want from him.

>>93418731
What did she do

>>93418817
she bought items off ebay & etsy, barely changed them (usually just adding a cheap chain), & sold them for like 30x the price

>>93418808
>I go to Arin for cartoons
so you haven't been to him for like 4 years?

>>93418833
I guess useless people need to bring money in somehow

>>93416737
Now that you know about Oney you're going to notice just how ubiquitous his stuff is. Every youtube comment section has at least a couple avatars from his Dragon Ball cartoons.

>>93418839
Cute response but I did mention Let's Plays too.

>>93418850
>tfw he hates the cartoon b/c it's how he got popular & people keep quoting it

>>93418853
I honestly can't see how you can watch those. it's just Arin yelling about how much the game sucks for not being easy or Danny telling stories about when he got high

>>93416902
If not able to give a link,
please give a brief description of it if you know anything. Thanks.

>>93418908
>>93417649
>>93418275
not >>93416902 , but I did a google search

http://vimeo.com/213266030

I can confirm that Zach DID work on this. I've seen him drawing the frames for this on his streams

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>>93416484
>Pebbles confirmed to be working on a new show with Justin Roiland
>Adult Swim interested in a show about Gremblo with Pebbles and Michael Cusack

I wonder if Oney feels left out

>>93416737
I am 26yo and i have no idea who these people are. I am more confused why people here get so worked up for them.

>>93416484
Try it some time and get back to me on how "easy" it is.

>>93418961
having just watched all of it, no wonder this seems to have not been picked up
only joke that got a chuckle from me was when Chris bumped his head on an idea lightbulb

>>93416484
No one likes you Destinycucks

honestly, with people like this, there was a real ball dropped
I always hear about how they have to "spend all their time to push out a single animation" or some such meme when there's an easy fix that the original NG crew, ESPECIALLY the Sleepy Cabin ones, never took advantage of

if they had gotten maybe 10 people to work with them, then they could easily collaborate & push out animations on at least a regular basis

if they kept it short (say, a 1-2 minute animation/month), swapped who did what & each worked on each other's projects, then they could possibly make their animations a viable thing

almost every time I've seen them list the cleanup animators, the in-between-animators, etc, it's usually outsourced to someone like Studio Yotta or something, which isn't really as financially viable as having it done in-house

>>93418961
watching this makes it extremely obvious who does what.

zack's writing is unfunny but at least it's varied. oney does the same weird throat noise for every punchline

>>93419137
You are like one of those kids looking at past trends and saying "this is what I would have invested in if I had money, all the signs where there"

Explain to me why you are poor again?

>>93417505
Yeah, I've been watching Lyle's shit ever since Sanity Not Included. He's a pretty cool guy. Dex, on the other hand, I have no idea what he's up to these days.

>>93417607
Honest anon is correct.

>>93419175
but I'm not poor. I'm middle class & live a comfortable existence

>>93419195
Yeah, sure you are!

>>93419137
Honestly, there aren't enough good ideas to go around. None good enough to merit that level of organization and attention to detail, anyways.

>>93419023
Oney was offered by AS to make a Hellbenders show for them but IIRC they wanted full rights to the IP and he declined.

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Everyone knows Marc is the underrated king of internet animators

>>93419212
no they just wanted him to change the name of the show, and he regrets declining

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>>93419023
>Pebbles and Michael Cusack working together on an Adult Swim show

that actually sounds promising

>>93419181
Dex tried to do Sanity with a guy named ImmortalHD, but it wasn't the same, then Immortal quit and then it was just him for a season and then he left. He joined a YouTube group called The Creatures, but some of the people in the group and the community were toxic against him so he quit. Recently he took a long break from YouTube and got a job as an editor but he's starting to push out a few shorts on his channel recently. He seems like a decent guy despite his humor not really clicking for me.

>>93419230
Marc might be the funniest living person

>>93417760
That's because he did most of the funny voices.

>>93416484
Is 2,000 a month really bad? Especially for an internet animator? In my country at least 1,000 dollars a month is pretty much a blessing and can pay for pretty much anything if one is careful with their money.

>>93419505
No, OP is saying the opposite. These people collect hipster welfare to do nothing.

>>93416484
desu I'd love it if I could do jack shit all the time and still make at least $2000 a month

>>93419181
A unfunny let's player. SNI never really got good again after Lyle left and he brought that fucko Aleks in. (Seriously what snowflake spells it like that)
He was more or less the driving force behind the majority of the skits that were very popular.
But its okay. Lyle's a competent animator with SFM stuff with his The series, a good musician and knows his audience.

The fucker did a cover of the Budokai 2 theme with a pal on the drums.

>>93417607
THIS! I was going to say something similar until I read your post. I hate the way YouTube is being with CC now and I don't think OP gets it.

>>93417607
>>93418464
>>93419188
>>93419775
>Defending e-celebs

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>>93419792
Maybe because we have common sense they need money like the rest of us to live? I don't care if they are e-celebs, they're no different than anyone else who need to eat and sleep.

why is "EVERYONE" so useless?

like why does everyone bitch instead of learn how to do something?

like how you are here bitching for more shit you in particular want out of artwork and people when you could just grab your own dick and shut the fuck up.

>>93419792
Don't worry, the e-celebs are perfectly miserable despite their apologists

>>93416835
No, I am 18 and most people my age just know about LP people, or other YouTube personality folk, like the Vloggers and stuff.

If I bring up animation, the most I get from people my age is Swoozie or JaidenAnimations.

I just now started learning about Sleepy Cabin, Newgrounds, and all the animators that came from it.

Animation is not dead or dying, but people my age just do not care enough or are unaware.

I mean, my god, my friends know Egoraptor as Arin from GameGrumps, but never knew about any of his animation or other work, aside from the latest Star Bomb stuff, but they only learned about that because it was plugged on the Game Grumps channel, or some shit.

Sad thing is, I just not get into Harry Partridge and Hot DiggedyDemon, but from what I can tell, they only upload animations like once or twice a year.

>>93418961
Duh, Zach worked on it... did you not see the YouTube melt down he had in the comment section of the video when some guy uploaded the whole clip to YouTube a couple months back?

>>93418833
how is that ''ripping people off'' they know what they're getting they're just retards

>>93417735
>E;T

He's just a PragerU that's not supported by an oil lobby

>>93416693
Hi Zach. Also HHD is a better animator
>inb4 "Hi Max"

>>93417607
Hi Zach

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Move over faggots. We all know who the best internet animator is

>>93417607
>defending them
Look m8, I'm having a shitty day. Let me fucking vent about these lazy ass shits. Go be a self righteous twat over at /rebbit/ you numpty.

>>93416484
Because the arts attracts millions of people but only like 0.001% are ever going to have the combination of natural talent, acquired skill, and work ethic to ever be exceptional or excellent.

Because the internet allows anyone to share anything on a multitude of platforms, it means you're going to have to sift through 99% bullshit to ever possibly find someone who fits all the above criteria. I mean look at the amount of people on /co/ who consider themselves artists or writers to the point where they think they could get paid for it (I don't mean just the hobbyists). Everyone overestimates their own skills, and everyone these days in the lands of the amateur thinks that they have what it takes to be a professional.

Internet animators follow these rules. You'll find 99% trash who think they're competent and capable, and some tiny fraction of people tucked away in the corners who actually are competent or capable.

>>93416801
I wish Fernando would break into my house and smother me with youghurt

>>93420134
he doesnt really put out cartoons anymore but his commissions and animation loops are pretty good.

>>93419792
You're probably one of those edgy 15 year olds who wishes death and misery on everyone who is popular and does something you don't particularly enjoy.

>>93420209
How do you tell the difference though? What would make someone stand out?

>>93420328
The work that they produce?

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Such a fine example of such "wonderful" internet animators (sarcasm)

Note: This show started as a cheaply made, zero budget, free, obscure Youtube cartoon.

>>93416484

I wont begrudge them, fools and their money and all that, they probably make better money than real comic book artists/writers for doing a fraction of the work, and that's the dream isnt it?

>>93416484
Most of these fuckers are doing work on the side you don't hear about. Commissions, freelance gigs, uncredited writing for that shitty Starcade thing Jontron did etc.
If you've got the talent and followers to make Mad Shekels as a Popular Internet Animator, go set up a Patreon my dude. People like PsychicPebbles have been building a following since Newgrounds was still relevant, though, and they spent the majority of their adult lives eating stolen hot dog buns because they refused to get real jobs. They earned it.

>>93420527
If this guy had any talent do you really think he'd make this kind of thread?

>>93417787
>For whatever reason he cannot afford the apartment he was living in
drug habit

>>93419212
Having watched the pilot, I have to assume that's bs and they were simply rejected by AS.
Because the Pilot was garbage.
Unfunny garbage that I wasn't even able to finish.

>>93416693
Good choice, fuck HotDiggetyDemon. Guy moves forward knowing his income is going away, changing nothing, then cries a sob story when his inflexibility (in an industry that extremely requires flexibility) keeps his from paying his bills. I don't know why people think any drawing or animation they put on the internet entitles them to demand support from the people who stumble upon to see it. I understand the need for patrons of art but who seriously thinks it's a good idea to take anonymous patronage as a given? Make an art object for someone who will pay for it, don't only just make what seems most marketable and throw it out there hoping an algorithm or a donor will give something back.

>>93420223
You'd probably get every STI in the process from simply being exposed to him. It would be a very sensual experience though.

>>93417094
He's 'homeless' because he indignantly stuck to his guns in a ship he knew was sinking. Dude really acted like YouTube had no right to take 'this lifestyle' away from him so he stuck to it instead of doing any number of things to make whatever $1k~ he needed for rent. As if he's incapable of making rent, lmao.

>>93420527
>they earned it
Dude I know they're working, doing odd jobs, making shit, but that's not beautiful and amazing or anything that they really don't want to work for someone else. It just means they rely on patronage.

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Alright lads, lets talk about the real king of YouTube animation.

>>93419900
Dude screenshots?

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Don't mind me just posting the best youtube animator right now

>decent release schedule
>does his own thing
>doesn't get involved in political bullshit/youtube drama
>gives exposure to other animators through Great: The Show

>>93421233
He doesn't release often enough to be the king, although all his stuff is amazing

>>93421294
Still, the last time he did release something, it was a minor sensation on /co/ that sustained threads for several days. He's high tier for sure.

>>93421256
Yeah. Joe's weird as fuck is clearly pursuing his own bizarre idea of (children's?) entertainment, but the guy has always remained productive and completely stable to keep his finances and personal life controlled enough not to meltdown in people's faces over. I sincerely believe any person who chooses to make personal projects for the public eye has a responsibility not to pile on the totality of their life's grief oto their fans who are just people who liked their stuff that they found browsing.
Life is hard, but it really is your life and your thing, tying up all your grief into your attempt at a marketable career isn't going to help you, unless your plan is to make yourself a charity case, which will only be fun for the most generous of people who pity you.

>>93416484
egorapter is a shit

>>93421172
Then don't donate. What's the fucking problem?

>>93417757
Why are you offended by what this dude named his cats? it's not like the cats are gonna give a fuck about it

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>>93416801
These lads are hysterical and crank out content at a decent rate.
These would be my pick for best internet animators.

>>93421353
There's no problem, it's simply true that this guy is hedging his life on the idea that he'll eventually make something of larger value, and is relying on patronage to get there (which is an investment relying on good faith in an artist's labor) and his biggest most important project he's been working on for years, which has kept him from working on other things, didn't work out. This is simply the stage where psychicpebbles has not 'made it' yet, and following the guy in any capacity at this point means stress, especially since his happiness has clearly eroded to the point where he argues and complains about the state of the world and his audience. I full expect him to pull something out and make something really enjoyable eventually, but until then this is the point where he's just a pile of stress and a point of contention.

>>93417505
Dude weed lmao

>>93420277
he released one two weeks ago

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is submitted this other guy's video to adult swim as a joke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HATLQEqLTf0
they told me if I ever contacted them again they'd sue me for harassment
now i'm wondering if i've set that other guy up for a lawsuit down the road

>>93421256
I think I'm the only one who cannot force myself to find his animations funny.

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>>93416801
I like the fact that he draws himself like a crazy homeless person.

Also the song from the Parody animation he did still gets stuck in my head from time to time.

>"But I can't show nipples because YouTube is run by puritans"

I'm just glad that my favorite autistic boy Cory is making a game.

>>93418017
You smell foreign

>>93421439
Ok.
He's supposedly been working on something with Justin Roiland so we'll see if that pans out. Animation isn't exactly a stable form of income, but that's the route he went with.
Hey did you know you can actually avoid the content of artists you don't like by not opening it in your web browser? :^)

>>93416737
29 year old here. No idea who they are and I've fail animated in Newgrounds. Never liked fucking commentary on gameplay vids. Seen OP pic posted here before with zero context minus the patreon stats. Only know of porn patreons

>>93421589
Drop the shit you facetious fucker. I've been following Zach since newgrounds because I liked his personality and left-handed attitude, and when he started talking like he was going to make something big I got excited, and let downs are let downs especially after so long a time. I'm so sorry you had to suffer to hear anything but unilateral praise for a long term failed project that led to an shifting of gears to a different promise of future results.

>>93421404
It just means he wasn't sensible enough to have a back-up plan with money, he wasn't wise enough to realize that no animator has made a living off of YouTube and he sure as hell wasn't going to be the first, and he isn't mature enough to give his cats not stupid as fuck names.

This guy shouldn't be taking care of cats when he can barely take care of himself.

>>93416484

Why are him and Chris not following each other on twatter/youtube anymore? They used to be inseparable.

>>93417819
not like that at all, he is more subtle about it. if his subscribers weren't autists like us he would have stop long ago

>>93423428
Chris is tired of Zach

>>93423428
Because Chris is shifting gears making more lighthearted and profitable content with new friends after his project with Zach fell through and he started getting argumentative on twitter. Also Zach is able to afford to spend an infinite amount of time on projects whether they succeed or fail, since he gets all his money from Patreon, but there's no way for Chris to make any money working with Zach until after a project succeeds, and the last one hadn't.

>>93419137
Before youtube changed, an animation a month could make you a comfortable middle-class salary. Now it doesn't really make any money at all.

1-2 minute animations would absolutely not pay for the efforts of a team of animators. Youtube basically requires videos that are 10-20 minutes long to be profitable, and that's just not doable on a monthly basis for independent animation.

Animators now HAVE to go the patreon route, and I know how you fuckers feel about patreon.

>>93423529
>after his project with Zach fell through

Hellbenders? Zach kept promising updates on this, yet I have no idea what happened. I know an incomplete episode 3 got leaked, but thats it.

What happened to the project these two were doing with Roiland?

zach is a fucking jew
he only made 2 podcasts
>I CAN'T FIND A FAMOUS GUEST EVERY TIME GUYS
do it by yourself dude

>>93419175
All he's saying is that between ten well-known independent animators sharing an office, none of them worked with eachother to create a workable career. They all independently sank huge time into big personal projects and none of them made any money. What about someone noticing lost potential for business makes you need to insist they must be poor? I mean you clearly misunderstood his post if you think 'they should have worked together to make money' is something only a poor person would say.

>>93423574
Yeah Hellbenders. Adult Swim showed no interest in the show, the big pilot episode leaked and it isn't anything notable for being two years of work, and Zach is basically now just promising another adult swim pitch with a guy who's other show is on total hiatus and he won't share anything about it.

Zach is doubling down on trying to get his tv spot, but based on the hellbenders episode he simply doesn't have the understanding to executively produce or be in control of a television-length show. Chris did extremely well to se up a daily form of content that is fun, workable, and capitalizes on the delivering the personality and silliness that he always brought to the table. And it pays for his continued freelance efforts without relying on anonymous patronage.
In short, Zach lacks adaptability and is held back by an unsuitable and possibly egotistical dream of being a creative director in television, while being beholden to ideas he came up with in middle school where he basically painstakingly draws him and his friend being retarded, at a rate of a month per minute if we're lucky.

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>Like an animator
>They're nuts and take /pol/ too seriously IRL

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This sleepycast thing really gets under my skin. I understand they couldn't continue it, that's fair enough. The issue is the fact we were promised 5 more episodes a year ago and we've only gotten one.
>we're just too busy to meet up and do one
bullshit
1. you have already taken money from patreon for sleepycast. Sure it's not an obligation, but it's fucking scummy as shit to take money on the promise of content and not deliver on it (especially when there have been multiple times you called other people for this exact thing.)
2. At most an episode of sleepycast would take 12 hours to make, between recording and editing audio. You can make time for this once a month.
3. With as busy as they try to make you believe they are you would think their youtube channels would be flourishing. Nope. The only one's who are releasing consistent content are Chris, Stamper and Mick. What do you know, they only three with work ethics are also the only three to do an episode of sleepycabin postmortem.

For people who constantly talk shit about other content creators, they are really showing their true colors.

>>93419023
He has Ross and Ding Dong now and doodle doods is pretty quality entertainment that he gets a nice paycheck for.

>>93419230

agreed

>>93416484
I think the problem stems from making an animation being a chore to them and not something they enjoy. They're not like most working animators who usually aren't also the writer/art director/editor/sound/voices/etc. They're just doing working on specific frames of animation along with a bunch of other people and the types work is split between different groups. People want quality so they expect the creator to put more work into the animations which takes more time since they have to do the work of several people. Look at Arin's old work for example. It was cheap and shitty looking as fuck. He could bang that out in a few days. Now with the newer animations he started adding in more movement which requires more work, so his animations took longer to come out.

Coming up with ideas for an animation also isn't easy. You can only get so much out of an idea before it gets stale and the people want something else. Then you gotta come up with a new idea to replace the old one that will still keep the people coming back to you. Some can do small stuff on the side while coming up with something, but not all artists work like that. Some need to take the time to think it out before perusing it. You gotta come up with characters, settings, premises, etc. Again this sort of thing in professional animation is done by multiple people as opposed to one.

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Would anyone watch shorts about a mediocre white shark.... who has no aspirations to be great?

>>93419711
>What snowflake spells it like that

A Russian Immigrant who lives in the US via a Green Pass. Thats who

>>93423867
Now you have to throw in the fact that most of these guys have grown up and moved out of their parents houses, meaning they have other responsibilities like paying for shit with money they have to work for. Animation isn't a open field of jobs so they're probably doing other things that aren't animation related. Some might be doing commercial work with the skills they have so their own work has pushed back to being something done in their free time. Some have gone the Patreon route, but like I already mentioned, all the factors of going solo come into play and people can't get around this concept of one person doing everything slows it the fuck down.

>>93416693
Geez anon, it sounds like you need a big heaping bowl of Grandma Brownie's Chocolate Chunker Wunker Bunkers, now with even bigger chunks of chocolate chunks!

>>93418961
I may be a filthy pleb, but I liked it.

>>93423757
>Chris' content
You mean riding off of Ding Dong for hours on end and contributing absolutely nothing? I mean, Egoraptor at least knew he had nothing left to give animation wise and banked out on his fanbase early, Chris' retard ego has been holding him back hardcore until recently when, I guess, he discovered the hard way that dignity = poverty.

>>93423779
You know all of them have full-time jobs and they're split in half right? Sleepycast failed, get over it. They already have.

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>hard working
>involved in many channels
>skilled in both art and writing
>releases 2-3 videos a day
>slowly breaking away from doing lp's in order to create original shows
>even then, the lp's are still great
>acts humble

Seriously, someone explain this to me.

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>>93423779
Think that's hard?

Try being a Grandma's Virginity Podcast fan now Justin's busy with Rick and Morty.

>>93423874
id watch shorts about anything if it was interesting/funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OEE0KHjLrE&list=UUDB-Sy9lw2R-muVoK8nE_BQ&index=8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5-tIv3mxX8&index=14&list=UUDB-Sy9lw2R-muVoK8nE_BQ

>>93424001
Hey Zach, I didn't know you posted here.
>You know all of them have full-time jobs
No they don't. Regardless, I have a full-time job and it really doesn't suck away every free second you have. I know you never had a job before, but it's not hard to make time.
>they're split in half right
Stamper, Chris, Mick, Zach, and Niall all live in California. Jeff and Cory both live in Pennsylvania. It's not that hard to make work with slight effort (scary word I know).
>Sleepycast failed, get over it. They already have
Oh believe me, I have no expectations. It's just basic human dignity to deliver on a promise after people have paid you money for it. Maybe you should have Anita Sarkeesian on as a guest.

>>93423779
Yep, no need to feel alone on this one. SleepyCabin was a failed wishy-washy attempt at an art collective and DIY fireside chat, and the people who stuck to it he most were the ones who had big smartasses ideas about how the world and productivity worked, that they ended up wasting their time grandstanding wounded manifestos for why they're actually the smartest and coolest for ever having anything to show. The people who are most productive are the ones who speakers the least on the show, which invariably always devolved into Zach and Stamper agreeing that anyone who has expectations of them are idiot villians, and spouting off uneducated rants against anything that reminds them of being asked to take life seriously as a child. Now SleepyCast is just one last guy who won't move on, failing to release a third episode in eight months while remaining silent or enraged on every issue of productivity.
To those who have stuck too much with the 'program', the newgrounds brand of punk independence gave way to adult indignance and discontent with anyone who's paying enough attention to notice that there isn't a damn thing to follow with these guys. The best of them moved on immediately and the worst of them are moving goalposts and bragging that their effort is more important than the rest of the world's productivity. SleepyCabin is an enabling scab for people who associate adaptation with loss of identity. It's a small, broken thing now and the one person who pretends to keep it up spends his time on the show telling people not to bother him.

>>93424120
Maybe you shouldn't contribute to scams retard? Ever think of that? Stop crying to /co/ because you got burnt, little baby.

I like how people who already animate for a living have a higher moral standard. I mean, I'm in my late 20s and I have never got a job, but this guy needs to! He can't just live off of his job, he needs another job!

>>93419230
Uuuuhh shaggy gonna sneeze
Gonna sneeze

>>93424001
Yeah, I do mean the daily internet show he invented that brings together the simple fun of him and two friends to produce actual wealth for each of them. I suppose it'd be better if he just drew ten thousand frames of funny faces over two years for one project, released nothing usable, and acted like he was king of the world for it.

>>93416737
An other 26 year old here

Who the fuck are all theses animators and why the fuck would you care about them?

>>93424164
I like how you irrationally assume anyone who was let down by these people's actual promises must be entirely unemployed (like yourself), instead of humoring that maybe our criticism of their inability to produce might be informed by our own work ethic.

>>93424223
>these people's actual promises
I'm not talking about your sleepycast bullshit, I'm talking about anons who hate on people like HDD.

>>93424120
>Someone hates Chris and is defending Sleepycast! Must be Zach

Oney fans need to swallow cyanide

>>93424192
>Low effort lazy content on one hand
>Low effort lazy content on the other

And people shit constantly on Stamper, Zach and Mick when they're in the industry doing shit.

>>93424239
*talk shit on, "hate" sounds like i'm a fucking 14 year old on youtube.

>>93416484
I think you mean youtube animators.

REAL animators have jobs, either in the industry or unrelated, and spend their free time making art for vimeo.

if you think you can compete with them, go for it

>>93416484
>Makes under poverty
>HEFTY
Jeez anon have you even seen what porn artists make on Patreon?

>>93424152
The idiotic thing about it was the fact that it was a collaborative effort, but they weren't collaborating on the same project. Instead you had 7 guys in the same room working on 7 different projects and nothing moved any faster.

>>93421256
it's a shame he fucks his sister

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRNtdqbbHTo&index=69&list=UUDB-Sy9lw2R-muVoK8nE_BQ

>>93424277
You know you've got people triggered when you start seeing floating defensive posts like this. Sorry bud, audiences exist.

>>93424475
yes, because stupid autists on the internet are in any way qualified to critique an artists work

>>93424152
Wow rereading my post here, this is the pinnacle of failed phoneposting. I think I got the point across. Lots of chest puffing from people who've had a complex about any and all expectations since before they entered high school.

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>>93420134
I've never really liked his art style, especially the way he shades in his animations. Just something about it puts me off. I did really enjoy his 'to catch a predator' cartoon though, probably because I use it as background noise whenever I draw.

>>93424501
Sure I'm anonymous but my point of view is informed entirely by a lifetime relationship with my education and career.

>>93421256
I really love Joe and Danielle, they do some great stuff and I love their humor style. And even when the animation isn't funny, I still find myself really enjoying it because of the vibe it has. And I've discovered some great animators through Great: the show

>>93424533
unless you're an artist yourself you have no right to criticize another person's work based on your own narrow viewpoint

>>93424563
I'm an artist and anyone is allowed to have criticisms.

what's your damage?

>>93419505
2000 to not have to actually do anything (since you can always say some excuse) is pretty good. You can even double-dip with a real job.

>>93424563
I am an artist and you have no authority over the relationships and understandings of others.

>>93424008
he's european

darkgamer please go

>>93416484
I'm sorry we don't constantly update you on every single frame we make to assure you that we're indeed working on a process that takes months if not years to complete for little to no money :(

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>>93416484
Youre following the wrong internet animators.

>>93424304
>under poverty
wefare is $700/month
this guy can pay rent AND eat like a king. most peop-le on welfare get a boyfriend/girlfiend on welfare so they can get $1400/month

>>93421735
Sorry you're mad :^)

>>93416484

Because they are all millenials who are both self centered and antisocial.

They want to do everything by themselves and at the same time not actually put any effort in to it. They want studios, jobs and the world to just give them money and happyness without doing anything or giving anything in return. They want a hit TV show and movie but they want all the credit for it.

They keep blaming others for their mistakes when really they are asshole fuck ups who don't do shit.

If any 5 of them actually put their shit aside and joined together to make shit they would be swimming in cash right now. Instead they all would rather bitch on twitter about SJW and youtube boogy men while doing nothing.

>>93420134
He only does gay porn now, just like Spazkid

>>93424008

Chris is a good boy

>>93424726
I'm sorry that your chosen career takes too long to complete to maintain good faith without updates, and that you have the challenging prerogative to work entirely alone.
And I mean that.
Also Harry Partridge is a good boy and didn't do anything wrong, he's one of the best at this actually. Does he have a critic problem?

>>93417607
Hi Zach
I believe you.
I unironically liked Clown Robbery

>>93424829
why does zach hate clown robbery so much anyways?

>>93424779
This. So simple. I relate with them so closely because back in newgrounds times I was the same way, and in the end blame them because this last year I have really focused on growing out of that awful antisocial isolated selfish work ethic and I am finding so much success because of that.
You need to work with people, for god's sake. Communicate and flesh out something that's cooperative, needed work. Quit wasting years trying to create temples to your talent alone. You keep telling us every reason why what you're doing isn't working, but you won't stop. Please stop blaming the world and it's people for not revolving around your isolated vision of self-celebration.

>>93416484
so these animators aside, are there any new internet animators that have been making good shit?

I'm an artist and honestly I find dicksucking like yours to be sickening.
There's being a fan and then there's worship.

>>93424854
He said he loves the animation for it and thinks it was a turning point where he started to improve. He just hates it because he felt the jokes were too easy.

>>93421256
Joe stopped being good years ago
Now he's tumblr tier

>>93416693
t. Zachfag

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why do people have to constantly bitch? who fucking cares what they're doing, if they release a cartoon on their youtube then watch it, if they don't then whatever who gives a fuck.

>>93425031
I made this cancer two years ago and stopped animating. I'm trying to come back. I'm working on something now that I hope will surpass the quality of the previous animation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpCu2ha8mXY

>>93425083
Yep.

>>93424161
>thinking it was a scam when they actually delivered on shit even if it was a long time ago
what a faggot you are lol

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>>93424779
>The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise
Fucking millennials in ancient Greece

>>93424780
You don't keep up with what he uploads obviously

>>93420201
>Look m8, I'm shitty. Let me fucking lazy ass shit.
>t. self righteous twat
you numpty.

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>>93425301
Preach, brother.

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we're at the point where anything you could sat about chrischan you can now say about zach

Oh, I also think it's strange that Zach is basically taking patronage so he can try and get Adult Swim to give him their resources.

So are Chris and Zack still friends =(

>>93416484
you just described solo animation

>>93418961
That had it's moments, I didn't think it was bad.

>>93425229
Because expressing opinions about artists is an exercise in expressing one's own relationship with art.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAG0Fa5rdAA&index=93&list=UUDB-Sy9lw2R-muVoK8nE_BQ

>>93424364
but incest is the best, it lets you put your sister to the test

>>93425488

its not, it's just whining

>>93420134
His animations always felt too tryhardy to me. They always seem to force some kind of joke or something in a very rushed and unexplained manner.

>>93425338

Zach ain't a tranny

>>93424433
What the fuck is this?

Have you ever heard of 'creative types'? They need management.

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>>93420379
>Lol I found a shitty web toon that got picked up by Nick so all Internet animations are shit

>>93425338
Not even

>>93416737
50 yr old, how do i find cartoon porn on here?

>>93417819
Say what you will about E;R, but at least he is not in your face about it like Christopher Cantwell.