Marvel Legacy Announcement That "Changes The Comic Book

Unless it's Brevoort, Alonzo or Quesada being fired, I'm uninterested.

We don't FUCKING believe you my dude.

People've finally wizened up to Marvel's endless BS.

>>93386734
Did they? Despite the shit machine cranking out book after book, numbers are fine. How I don't know

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>>93386643
>Moon Girl

>>93386643
>3 muties
>2 FF members
Shit what am I going to complain about now

>>93386788
It is the way the alt-left and alt-right respond to these threads. Make it political first then whine and bitch. They are the loud minority and they assume if they repeat the same shit over and over again ignorant people will believe them.

Nothing's going to change. Smart people will continue reading the good books and ignoring the bad ones. Stupid people will keep getting angry about bad books that they may or may not read while ignoring the good ones because they're published by the same company despite having entirely different writers, artists, editors, and characters.

>>93386643
Any hype? Anyone?

it's just their renumbering thing that was already leaked

What could they possibly do

Even if you bring back Mar-Vell, Reed and Sue, Xavier, Nick Fury and every other guy that's gone, I still don't see it as some historical game-changer

> >>93386612 was first
>gets deleted
fucking jamborees

Anyways, nothing's going to change. And if anything DOES change, it'll be too-little-too-late, especially after how DC's managed to pull off Rebirth with little to zero hitches.

>>93386978
Oh, that's a good point. This is probably just going to be a preview of the post-Secret Empire lineup and creative teams. Get ready for Bendis and Slott to keep the titles they're on.

Sorry, my good will toward them is long gone.
I bough the Rebirth special because I actually believed DC could do it.

Unless they brough back the LEGACY writer and fire the new one, nothing will change.

Bring back David Michelinie, John Byrne, Kurt Busiek, stop paying Claremont to write nothing and get him to work.

>>93386999
>DC's managed to pull off Rebirth with little to zero hitches.

Oh you mean aside from Johns doing fuckall with his Watchmen crossover? It "means so much" to him yet he can't deliver a story

>>93387045
It's already been announced for the end if the year. No tie ins. No crossovers. Just his Doomsday Clock. Try baiting people who don't know what's going on.

>>93386643
>only 3 mutants
>2 of them are the O5 anomalies because we can't help ourselves with synergy even if we don't own the characters!
yeah no
>Changes The Comic Book Industry
definitely no

>>93387045
they just did the button and announced doomsday clock

The full press release, via http://www.comicsbeat.com/marvel-announces-a-legacy-announcement-is-coming-tomorrow/
>Get ready for a new dawn True Believers — one whose rays will touch every corner of the Marvel Universe in the days to come! Tomorrow, get ready for the return of what you’ve been longing for — and more! Prepare for the debut of MARVEL LEGACY!

>“A new initiative that will take things back to our iconic history, with a firm eye on the future, MARVEL LEGACY will present stories that remind everyone — newcomers and longtime fans alike — why Marvel stands as the premier name in fiction,” said Editor in Chief Axel Alonso. “Our titles will unearth gems from Marvel’s rich history, remind readers of connections between characters, and usher in the return of some major characters who’ve been missed. Above all else, we want to inject our comics with a massive dose of fun!”

>Kicking off this September with MARVEL LEGACY #1, an over-sized 50-page, one-shot special, Marvel Comics titles step towards a bright new future – one that harkens back to what has made Marvel a household name while looking towards tomorrow. With fun and thrilling reveals primed to excite fans, both existing and new, this fall, prepare for MARVEL LEGACY!

I'd cut this down to remove all the buzzwords, but then we'd have nothing to post.

>>93387082
You forgot Laura.

Probably Stan Lee's final comic book. That would be a big news item and generate some sweet clickbait headlines.

>>93387045
not that anon, but it's not Rebirth the title that gives me faith in DC. It's the complete restructuring in their business model that Dido did. Going back to roots for capes, double shipping and managing artists well, have they even had a delay on a double shipping issue yet? They went out and hired new talent and brought back old talent, they keep taking Marvels good artists for one, Rockafort is going there now.

Then for their other stuff, they have spin of lines. They did Hanna Barbara for some fun specific books some just fun like He-Man Thundercats but then Flintstones for critique, which will be continued in Snagglepuss. They are creating a line for Artist led books for people that want that. They have Young Animals for some weirder stuff.

Not everything has worked out but the planning and management of everything is surprisingly good.

>>93387184
They delayed two of the issues of the Button, that's the only delay I can think of off the top of my head for double-shipping issues.

>>93386643
I've just lost all hope for marvel. At least their movies are still okay.

>>93387184
And don't forget the constant crossovers with other companies that creates better relationships.

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>>93387111
I was trying to prove you wrong but...
And I think I was generous in my cutting.

>>93387242
fun and reveals are buzzwords

>>93386803
You can aways complain that there isn't enough muties, that those aren't the muties you want, and that the Inhumans are on the teaser at all.

>>93387242
>Get ready for [...] MARVEL LEGACY!

>MARVEL LEGACY will present stories [...] said Editor in Chief Axel Alonso. "Our titles will unearth [...] Marvel's rich history [...] and [...] the return of some major characters who've been missed. [...]"

>[T]his September, [...] MARVEL LEGACY #1, [... a] 50-page, one-shot [.]

I tried to trim it down a bit further to see what would happen.

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>>93387205
>They delayed two of the issues of the Button
They delayed it so that the issues came out the same time as Secret Empire releases.

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>>93387276
I tolerated it only because their comics have been the graveyard of fun recently.
But yes, I was really generous.

Here is the corrected version.

I also remove editor in chief because Alonso isn't really one.

>>93386692
>not listing Bendis
Son, I am disappoint.

>>93387184
Green Lanterns had a one week delay early on because the covers were printed wrong

>>93387388
someone has to start the coup and become EiC

>>93387406
well they caught it instead of shipping Muslim propaganda

>>93387413
So Bendis wears all the editors down with his shitty pitches and willful ignorance of what every other writer is doing in their books, and then Slott eats them? And once all the editors are gone Slott and Bendis have a death match?

I've said before Bendis could be a good editor, he has decent ideas and knows great artists he just isn't great at telling the stories

>>93386952
I don't even understand what I'm supposed to be hyped about.

>>93387413
Nobody need to do a coup here.
The best ways for an editor in chief to stay is to never edit anything. That ways no writer will try to overthrow it over a conflict on a storyline.

And Axel Alonso is amazing at doing nothing , watching the line turn to shit, character motivation and personality align themselve with jello and continuity to dissolve into dust so much that even the DC HyperTime bullshit explanation wouldn't be able to fix.

You are great Axel.

>>93387504
the man can barely get the continuity of his own books straight you think he'd be able to do it for someone else

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>>93387456
Bendis will try to stop Slott by locking him in a room but then Slott goes OnSlott mode.

>>93387373
Remember when nick spencer was thanking everyone for making secret empire #1 for the month until someone pointed out it was actually #3 because flash and batman sales were split?

>>93387534

i dont care THAT much about continuity?

>>93387601
>i dont care THAT much about continuity?
>>93387534
>of his own books

Wait, you're Bendis?

>>93387504
>he has decent ideas
Like what?

>>93387538
>was actually #3 because flash and batman sales were split?

Well no, you don't get to combine those

I doubt Spencer added his Secret Empire tie-ins to pad the numbers of his #1

>>93387890
>A tie-in is the same thing as a comic with two different covers

That's a sad defense, Marvel intern

>>93386643
>nova isn't in the picture
>fucking moon girl is

what the fuck is this shit.

>>93387890
He meant how they divided up the sales of Batman 21's lenticular edition and the normal cover for Batman 21 into two separate sales items and the same for Flash 21's lenticular edition and normal edition, not talking about combining sales of both Batman 21 and Flash 21. It was literally the same issue with a different cover. It'd be more akin to splitting up the Secret Empire sales by variant covers.

>>93387732

i mean the O5 coming to see the future and Gay Bobby are both fine ideas just offhand

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>>93386643
better pic

>>93387678
Yes, I love nigger dick :)

>>93386643
>"Changes The Comic Book Industry"
For the 5th time this year!

>>93387151

That would be bullcrap. It would end up like DK3 Frank Miller attached just by name when we know the co writer is the only one writing it.

>>93386643
>We heard you guys want the F4 back
>Here's Johnny, The Thing, Moon Girl and America :^)

I really dig reusing the classic Iron man design, its one of those designs that still looks pretty neat with modern art techniques, and I understand the significance of Cap original costume.

But man do I hate that original Thor costume

>people thinking there's 2 F4 characters
That's actually Hammond :^)

>>93388183
>Not Spiderman, Hulk, Wolverine and Ghostrider
Fuck them.

Same writers, same editors. Nothing changes. Just another half assed cash grab and reboot.

>>93388216
We already tried that and it got Ghost Rider cancelled

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>>93388207
Sideshows is probably the best "updated" version of the classic Avenger designs

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>>93386643
>What is it, /co/?
literally nothing
I don't even feel bad for the people who will believe this bullshit. They deserve to be disappointed.

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>>93388207
Mezco's is alright as well

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>>93388294
>doesn't come with a bottle of whiskey
Junk it!

>>93387151
What was his last book anyway? Like one he actually did the scripting on and wasn't just vaugley involved in like Chakra the Invincible. I think it would be God Woke, but I'm not sure if that counts since he did the actual writing years ago.

>>93388216
>not Mania, Skaar, Sabretooth, and Ghost Rider

>>93388565
>not Ghost Rider, X-23, Cho, and Silk

>>93388565
I like the way you think.

>>93386643
Are they getting rid of all the people in charge at marvel and replacing them with people that are competent?

>>93386643
>Scott, Jean, Kitty, Laura and Deadpool are all there

Well, color me surprised, Marvel.

>>93387082
Five X-Men characters on the poster is not enough?

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>>93386643
>why Marvel stands as the premier name in fiction

>>93386643
Oh boy! More Cavengers!!!!!

>>93387890
He meant that both Batman and Flash issues had lenticular variants, which were split from the standard versions.

>>93388682
I haven't seen any fan of the O5. Ever.

>>93386643
Unless it's a Star Wars crossover, I don't give a shit.

>>93388880
>Star Wars crossover
Why the fuck would you want that?

>>93388879
No Deadpool, Laura or Kitty fans either?

>>93388879
You need to get off the internet once in a while.

>>93388682
>the cover isn't 50% X-men
>the oneshot isn't titled X-men Legacy featuring the rest of marvel

Pander harder nigga

>>93386643
>NOTHING WILL BE THE SAME
Ahuh, just like all the other time...

>>93386795
Hey, at least her and Black Bolt are the only Inhumans.

>>93387526
that they want to come back to normal, but with all these writers can't, is the "we promise not fuck the company ....... more " if they fail > all fired.

>>93386643
>Now, prepare to return to the dawn of time, as Marvel introduces you to the first Avengers from 1,000,000 BC – when iconic torch-bearers such as Odin, Iron Fist, Star Brand, Ghost Rider, Phoenix, Agamotto, and Black Panther come together for the startling origin of the Marvel Universe, in MARVEL LEGACY #1!

You can't try to hype this up but it doesn't change the fact that you fucks are trying to sell CAVENGERS as the biggest thing since Jesus. Don't lie to my face like this is important. This is you pulling a random book by Aaron and making it seem bigger than it really is l.

Fuck. You.

>>93389009
Tiny Kamala next to Riri and X23

>>93386643
This sounds worryingly like a bunch of Untold Tales stories, which is the last thing I want.

>>93386692
Bendis?
Bendis.

The writer?
The writer, yes.

Sacked?
Sacked.

As in removed like a tumour or a smelly turd?

>>93388893
1. It's more exciting than prehistoric Avengers (I didn't give a shit when Nick Fury during the 60s did it, why would I give a shit if they do it 10 Million B.C.)
2. It would be interesting to see Darth Vader fight Dr Doom, Luke Skywalker fight Spider-Man, Boba Fett fight Starlord, and Chewbacca fight Beast

>>93389109
Cavengers is just a part of the one shot. So it and of itself probably doesn't matter. It is the only thing they have spoiled thus far so it is likely the most negligible. If it does get any notice it probably get its own book or lead to gimmick avenger seires

>>93386803
4 muties, actually.

>>93388905
Only redditors like Deadpool and only SJWs like Laura or Kitty.

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>>93386643
Reminder that Marvel Comics hates their fans and LCSs more than the holocaust.

Meanwhile, LCSs are doing more to help Marvel readers not jump ship than the actual company itself.

>>93388036
>better pic
>Carl Danvers is still there
>Whor is still there
>Miles is still there
>shithumans are still there
>MCU pandering meme-characters front and center instead of the X-men
Fuck off shill.

>>93387919
Why would Nova be in the picture? His book was a sales disaster. At least Moon-Girl sells well in trades to the all-ages market. Nova had nothing going for it.

Only a bloody fool believes a word that comes from Marvel anymore.

>>93386643
>unearth gems from Marvel’s rich history
Reprints, retreads, and remakes of old stories.

>remind readers of connections between characters
Retcons and de-retcons that only complicate books.

>usher in the return of some major characters who’ve been missed
Backpedaling due to the failure of diversity legacies.

>>93386643
>puttting Moon Girl on it
I won't even touch it with a 10-foot pole.

Have people really turned on Marvel this much? I don't remember half of the value of vitriol and disinterest and distrust toward DC when Rebirth was announced

>>93389232
>only SJWs like Laura or Kitty
Well, damn, I guess I did my part by voting Trump in.

>>93389172
Meh, I never liked Star Wars and would rather keep them out of Marvel 616.

>>93389350
It's fucking Cavengers. CAVENGERS. No one asked for this shit. And they say they did they lied.
It's Marvel lying and hyping up a book bigger than it really is to get shekels from the dumb mindless goys that still eat their shit.
Even Generations is just one-off unimportant stories of the young heroes being teleported to the Last so the old heroes can shill them.
This is as bad as the 90s.

>>93389350
DC wasn't calling it's audience literal Nazis, white supremacists, nor did they write about current politics.

>>93389387
That's because you suck, Axel. I bet you wish you could erase the X-Men from 616 too.

>>93389463
uh, okay?
X-Men is pretty much the only Marvel related stuff I read.
But let's assume everyone is out to get you.

>>93386643
Is the Marvel universe 616 or is Brevoort still pushing the Earth Prime meme?

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>>93388036
fixed

>>93386643
Looks like everything is mostly staying the same honestly. Unless they plan on killing all the shitty Diversity characters to be quite honest, senpai.

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>>93389614
Actual fixed

>>93389350
Rebirth was a lot of new books, or books getting back on track. No one has explained to me what this Legacy thing is. You show me something like Christopher Priest's manifesto on how he was going to handle Deathstroke, I'll be impressed. But Marvel wasn't even All New, All Different very well, I don't see why anyone would have faith in them to fix things now. Especially if there are no big, old-school writers to lead the charge.

>>93389686
>getsrid of all those characters
>keeps Gillens Loki
he's pretty much a Legacy character at this point

>>93389686
>removing Carol
Shit taste.

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>>93388359
God Woke was a poem he wrote back in 2010, Nicieza adapted it.

It might be the backup he did in What If #200 back in 2011.

>>93386643
Legacy? More like, Le-GAY-cy!

Hiyooooo!

>>93389350
It's a hate and hate relationship. The issue with Marvel is that they've antagonized readers something fierce these past few years, partly because they believed in the rage-buying thing, partly because of the percieved shitting on old fans due to the fiascos involving Inhumans and introducing/shilling diversity legacies for like thirty different heroes we'd rather be reading about all at once (also you can probably throw stuff like Avengers Arena or Spiderverse in there), partly because they've been dabbling in politics even more than usual and you know that never ends well.
Add pretty terrible PR moves like peanut allergies or implying sales are tanking because readers are all racists, and you've got an issue.

>>93386803
>Shit what am I going to complain about now
The quality of the writing

>>93386952
I'm hyped.

>>93386643
The proportions and arrangement on this is just terrible. You got random characters that are close up and others that aren't. Makes some people look like giants and others like ants. It's so uneven and it's all over the place randomly. Like, why is Thing a giant and under Tony's dick? Who look led at this and thought it was good?

>>93389350
Rebirth was a move of humility. Johns, from the very beginning, sold it as a mea culpa saying "we fucked up".

Marvel has been shitting in the mouth of its fanbase for years without really hurting. They say they will inject some fun back in their universe and that there will be returns, but is there anything in those press releases that sound like an apology to you? DC had their back againt the wall, so it was easy to believe they really meant it when they sais it would change thinga. But Marvel is so arrogant and take its fan for granted, so it's hard to be hyped for what they sell you.

>>93389823
Go away, Spencer.

>>93386643
Someone accidentally put Mutants on this promo. I bet someone was fired for that mistake.

>>93389898
Nice comeback Didio.

>>93389440
>>93389450
Honestly, the answer is both of these and more too.

>Cavengers
It's a "they meet themselves as cavemen and they're the same as their present-day counterparts" episode.

>Nazis
Marvel pandered to a specific audience and doubled down even after learning that said audience doesn't read full stories, much less pay for their comics.

Anything else?

>this changes everything true believers, except our creative teams, characters, storylines, editors, but the rest is totally new! Please buy this book, which we've stuffed full of nonsense so we can charge you 10 dollars!

>>93390088
Will people really pay for $10 floppies when they can get $10 trades?

>>93386643
>No Star Wars/616 crossover
>No Miracleman crossover
>No Kingdok Hearts crossover
>No OMD being undone
>No return of Reed and Sue
why bother....

>>93390088
The numbers are being relaunched!

Why means that Slott will now write ASM#800!

And then years from now he'll write ASM#1000.

And then years from now Slott will write ASM#4500000.

Forever.

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>>93390144
>$10 trades?
Not usually from Marvel. Their VP of marketing guy told everyone at that disastrous ICv2 conference that they keep their trades priced highly as to not compete with floppy prices. That's how Marvel is trying to protect the industry in their own words.

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>>93389740
happy?

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>>93386692
Soon...anon....soon

>>93387601
Than go read Archie, they kill everyone off & ignore it in the next series.

>>93388183
>Here's Johnny, The Thing, Moon Girl and America

There would be a riot. At NYCC Marvel would literally get lyched.

>>93386643
That short hair dykey Carol is already discouraging and disappointing

Not to mention the SJW characters are still included

>>93389686
Needs more rightclops

>>93388183
>Here's Johnny, Thing, Moon Girl, America

If vomit were a string of words, that's it.

>>93388682
This is the problem with the X-Men corner of the Marvel Universe. It's so fucking massive that the fans of the franchise think that mutants need the most representation. There isn't a single cosmic character on there, and do you see any bitching? The closest is Black Bolt. X-Men fans will never fucking be happy until X-Men is all Marvel publishes.

>>93391130
>There isn't a single cosmic character on there, and do you see any bitching?
If they were there would be though
>REEEEE GET MY COSMIC OUT OF SHITTY EARTH

>>93391130
>There isn't a single cosmic character on there, and do you see any bitching?

Nova fans and Not Muh Dan Abnett

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>>93391130
>There isn't a single cosmic character on there

>>93389241
Speaking of Higgins. Judging by his tweets about this reveal it looks like something may actually be happening.
>Hoping for lots of great info here, should be everything I've heard plus a lot more!

literally nothing they could do that would matter

>>93387184
>Rockafort is going there now.
Titans #12 was the only thing apart from a cover he's going to be doing for DC until at least October according to the solicits.

>>93391361
Carol is mostly hanging around Earth. Going to space sometimes does not a cosmic make.

>>93391426
I think he's doing a Dark Matter book whenever those are supposed to start

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>>93391130
>There isn't a single cosmic character on there,

>>93391528
>The closest is black bolt

Is your reading comprehension okay?

>>93386643
>No Guardians of the Galaxy
what did they mean by this?

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>>93386643
>Changes The Comic Book Industry

What again? really? The same tagline from Heroic Age? Not only are Marvel out of ideas, they can't even auto-fellatio with their marketing anymore.

>>93386788
Only a vocal minority complains on the net. If the net was shut down, you wouldnt know anything negative was being said.

>>93386643
>Changes the comic book industry
Yeah, right. That's as likely as Alan Moore writing for the Big Two again.

>>93386643
>True Believers
For the amount of times Marvel trys to ape Stan Lee's way of speaking to readers, he really should have trademarked that line in this context.

>>93386643
Let them get more desperate

>>93386643
Let me guess some new alt timeline like the Ultimate Universe, ooh goody, a place to quarantine the disease ridden old readers so they can have their echo chamber and new readers can have their safe-space.

>mfw they announce that they're going to start offering free returnability for the first few issues

The only thing that could ever hype Marvel for me is if mutants get their own separate universe so they at least are just punching bags detached from the rest of the shithouse.

>>93386643
Soft reboot.

>>93391966
You wish, the only soft reboot in Marvel's future is when they pull into full parody with the movies.

>>93391574
>closest
How does he not qualify?

What if it's an actual "game changing" announcement in the sense of logistics or format? Like switching from "issues" to Japanese style manga magazines that contain multiple comics?

>>93392167
Or back to newstands.

>>93392167

i actually assumed that at first and then laughed at my earnestness and naivete

>>93392167
That's what I was thinking about
Judging by solicits and current storylines, there won't be major changes among writers, and no reboot either
It's either some new format, or they'll just announce the renumbering, which has already leaked

>>93391689
... Because Marvel would do everything they could to control their PR, just like any other corporation would.

>>93386788
>>93391689
They perpetually lie about their numbers and overship thier product. They only stopped recently when retailers called them out and they still maintain that digital makes up the rest of the sales. This is despite numbers falling after the call out, and that hey won't show us digital sales numbers.

>>93392167
Anthologies are nothing new, and honestly I'm not paying for shit I don't want to read and I don't believe most people are different from me

>>93386643
When can we expect the announcement?

>>93392452
Most people don't pay for comics at all. I wouldn't blame Marvel for wanting to try something different in the hopes of regaining broad popularity.

>>93392452
I'm with you on that. All anthologies would do is get me to read stuff via Win-O-Thread or storytimes instead of buying. I much prefer physical copies, but I'm not going to pay two or three times the price for a single issue I want to read and some others I don't.

>>93392491
Tomorrow.

Wait, were the relaunch creative teams leaked? I thought someone said they were

>>93392658
A while back they were, or it was at least a loose list of surefire possibilities.

For example, Bendis has the Iron Man and Spider-Man titles that star his OCDNSes, Slott has ASM again, Spencer has Captain America for some reason, and other titles that make sense in retrospect.

>>93386643
>Loki on the cover
>has done fuck all after that disaster of a mini

Give back hero Loki

>>93389277
Do not forget the moon girl.

So what are marvels current good books?

>>93392805
The last one I managed to keep reading after one or two issues was Foolkiller.

>>93392755
Oh, so basically nothing is changing. I assume Zub is staying on Uncanny Avengers because fuck you?

>>93392132
Because the only time he's really been a cosmic character is during the DnA era. Prior to that he was mostly in the mountains or the moon. DnA fans for some reason forget that these characters existed prior to those stories.

>>93392805
HydraCap was good before the event ruined it

>>93392805
I only read Punisher. It's decent. And then they made him Hydra in Secret Empire...

>>93392167
Shonen Jump (Japan) Metal Hurlant (France) and 2000AD (UK) are all anthologies.

Panini's UK Marvel comics all have anthology format, often with three strips (from current, and previous eras). Even Transformers UK, at the height of its success in the 80's had secondary strips (Machine Man, Bucky O'Hare, Inhumanoids, Action Force (aka GI Joe)).

Anthologies allow experimentation and exposing readers to things they would not otherwise read, so you can run a secondary strip whereas if it were a solo comic it would be cancelled within several issues.

But I think Ike's Jew senses are allergic to the notion of a "bargain" of 2 for 1.

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>>93387375
>poop

>>93392805
Vision , gwenpool ....

>>93386643
Brooks really loves Thor Odinson, doesn't he?

>>93392805
America.

>>93392805
There aren't any. They're literally all terrible SJW garbage. Stick to DC, that's where the masterworks are.

>>93393078
Ok DC shill.

Holy handgrenade, they're actually going to do it!
I could see all the foreshadowing and storylines lining up for a while now but who would have thought they'd actually have the balls?

>>93394043
Do wat

>>93392805
My marvel pull list gets smaller each month...
Thanos, ultimates, mighty thor...
thinking of dropping Renew your vows, Hulk

>>93394183
I've suspected for a while now that certain stories (like Iceman) are test-cases.
They're going to piss off a lot of people in some upcoming big crossover events.

Think about it: before Iceman's outing was accepted by fans there was Northstar's outing that wasn't accepted by fans.
Before HydraCap there was the successful SpOck storyline, before then the poor response to the Sentry reveal, and other examples even before then.
They were testing fan responses before committing with the bigger story that dealt bigger consequences.

They're going to double-down now.

>>93386692
You're missing Waid, Slott, and Spencer anon.

I really hope that's not Robbie with a normal skull like in AoS.

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>>93386857
>Make it political first

We did not draw first blood. Comics would not be on the alt-right radar at all if not for the fact they have been heavily infiltrated by leftists shoe-horning their politics into them.

Although I will grant you comics always arguably did that.

eg. X-Men being about blacks. Speedy getting hooked on drugs, Tony Stark being alcoholic etc.

>>93386643
Imagine if they'd announce a decade without relaunches.

>>93392850
>be in space for almost twenty years straight
>all his appearances during that time are in space stories
>be in the starbrand story line
>leave space for about and year and come right back
>then DnA
>back in space currently
I think he has a good hand to be called a cosmic character.

>>93389968

I know you are but what am I? Slott.

>>93394739
The upcoming "53" event is going to fix that problem once and for all.

>>93394438
How about you actually say something instead of being vague.

>>93386643
Every title gets a Marvel Legacy #1 reboot issue and they will all be holding the line at $6.99

>>93394815
Yo' mama is a Slott.
In fact, she's such a Slott that when she ignores continuity she follows protinuity.

>>93389350
DC Rebirth announced the plans going forwarded including all the titles more than a month in advance and made it clear that they were trying to please fans as well as shaking up most of their creative teams rather than the same writers staying on the same titles. So far nothing is known about legacy or whats coming as a result of it besides a character return. As a result a lot of people feel like this is just yet another reboot to boost sales figures and that nothings really going to change,

To simplify everything Rebirth was well received because dc was open and humble while legacy is getting hate because marvel is being incredibly closed and brash

I've lost any interest I once had in their characters. The legacy ones like Riri were interesting but ultimately fell flat and they had to bring back the same dudes that face a multiverse-ending crisis and discover more things about their overly mapped past every summer.

>>93394951
I'm obviously never going to give specific spoilers to any big events.
This is not that hard to figure out for yourself,
back in the day Marvel had a history-making revolutionary talent pool writing their comics but everyone was always butting heads against editorial and the censors. Remember how Claremont had to rewrite the end of Phoenix Saga? Remember how the Hobgoblin reveal was fucked over by meddling replacement writers? Lots of major storylines were started and then dropped when replacement writers took over, and most times those replacement writers were hacks who tried to unwrite what had come before.
Iceman is an example of this very thing, Stan Lee wrote a book about a superhero team of outsiders during a time of counter-culture, social upheaval, and civil rights issues being front and center.
What better idea for a radical hippie like him than to make one of those superhero outsiders gay? But that wasn't going to fly with 1960s censorship...
...but it would in this century. And that's exactly what Marvel has just announced that they're going to do more of. Get it?

>>93395674

You sound like a fucking idiot.

>It's another I WORK FOR THE PUBLISHER BUT CANT GIVE CLEAR DETAILS WINK WINK

>>93386692
It's pathetic. They think Rebirth worked because it used old characters and old numbering. They're utterly clueless. Same writers telling the same stories in overpriced books but hey look Captain America has his real costume back isn't that what you wanted?

Look at Venom or the just released "back to basics" Spectacular Spider-Man as examples of what to expect from Legacy and weep at how clueless a company can be.

>>93386788
Something like 40 books below 20k in May, my man, which is an increase from April. Nice try Marvel Intern.

>>93391689
We call that the Teresa May.

>>93394438
There was no overriding main person overseeing any of these storylines. Hydracap was mainly Brevoort. Spock was Wacker and they are definitely not part of some grand design. And Sentry was during the Quesada era. Right now there is no big plan @ Marvel other than chasing the numbers. They really can't afford the long term planning because of Perlmutter and the staffing cuts.

>>93395985

yeah, part of the reason Rebirth is working is you've got Johns doing Big Picture stuff and coordinating

whereas it feels to me Marvel is a bunch of little groups playing on the same court

I can't bother myself to read Marvel shit because their writing is so juvenile

>>93395724
I always sound like an idiot to the people I try to explain things to.
Fortunately, I'm usually proven right with the passage of time.
So I've learned to live with the temporary humiliation and frustration.

I have no connection to the industry, I just pay attention to literary foreshadowing and narrative patterns.
Try it sometime.
Honestly, haven't you noticed that there's an element of repetition in the Marvel storylines ever since Bendis took over?
It wasn't just one original old-guard hero who fell in battle and was replaced by a cadre of legacies, it wasn't just one instance of philosophical differences over how best to hero that split teams apart, it wasn't just one alt-reality alternate space-time dimensional copy of a hero who showed up to fill a hero's place.
This pattern becomes predictable. The past has become prolog.

>>93396108
If you're so smart, then explain the purpose of the Cavengers.

PROTIP: You can't.

>>93392755
Instead of calling it Marvel Legacy it should be called Marvel Retread. (high fives self)

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>>93396241

Didn't Nick Spencer raise a fit about Rebirth. What's his response going to be about how it's different?

>>93396031
Pretty much. I think part of it is due to Axel Alonso hating superheroes in general, but also not nearly as inspiring or competent at managing his underlings like Quesada so it's a free for all at Marvel with no general direction.

>>93396257
Should be called Marvel Afterbirth

>>93396125
I'm pretty sure I can just explain that you flouted a made up a name that's basically meaningless in proper comic canon context to "stump" me and thus feel smug about yourself...
( And look, I just did! )
...but what's the point? I'm not going to earn your respect. You didn't pay enough attention to my post to recognize that I was asking you to think for yourself. Why would you actually read my response? You're an idiot. You think this is a game with a scoreboard. Conversations don't work like that.
Just pay more attention to what you read.

>>93396108
You have the tism, don't you?

>>93389440
DC put their biggest fanboy Geoff Johns forward to say that they made a wrong decision and this is how they'll try to fix it by going back to the roots. Marvel or at least their higher editorial has absolutely no humility in that regard, they'll have brevoort or alonso defend any decision they make.

>>93396125
i feel like I really dont' want to know bu wtf is cavengers?

>>93395674
>>93396108

>I'm obviously never going to give specific spoilers to any big events.
why the hell not?!

>>93396957
The surprise from Marvel Legacy that there were prehistoric versions of many of the heroes in Legacy such as Captain Marvel or Iron Man. I think for Thor it just might be Odin.

>>93396632
>I'm pretty sure I can just explain that you flouted a made up a name that's basically meaningless in proper comic canon context to "stump" me and thus feel smug about yourself...

Proves you know jack shit.

>>93396983
Because he's full of shit. He wants people to think he's cool and in the know.

Wait are you guys trying to say Cave Avengers? That 1000000 bc Avengers thing Aaron's been building to in Thor?

"Marvel Legacy"?

More like "Marvel justfuckingshootme" am I right?

>>93386643

>Spidey, Cap, Thor and Iron Man in classic suits
>Carol is still in her dyke look
>no Logan or Banner

At least first issues still sell, right?

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>>93397184
Banner is on the Ross cover.

>>93386643

What's the point of pandering to longtime fans when Marvel already drove them away long ago?

>>93386643
MARVEL UNIVERSE WILL NEVER BE THE SAME

ALL STAKES ARE OFF NOTHING WILL BE THE SAME

THE SAME WILL NEVER BE THE SAME WILL NEVER BE A NEW SAME

>>93397436
But they really mean it this time.

>>93397395

Longtime fans didn't leave

Nostalgiafags left because they can't get with the times. Good riddance

Ok, Rich.

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>>93386643
>"OH YEAH MARVEL IS GETTING IT'S OWN RE... "
>Same writers, editors, artists, everyone the same.
>"We.. Well.. Maybe they've improved their selv..."
>It's a one shot
>mfw

How much faith should I put in this?

The stories will still be made by Marvel's pool of creative teams and editors after all.

>>93397553
You just answered you're own question anon

>>93397015
Listen to this anon, he's cool and in the know!
People think so! Lots of people! They do!

>>93397018
Jesus Christ! "CAVE AVENGERS", now I know what the fuck these autistilords are derping about!
And why the fuck are these morons misspelling things to feel special?
Is there some "special" club where they're cool if they're the only ones who know what the fuck they're talking about?

>>93397008
Odin's own father, Bor, is a better candidate for it.

>>93386643
>They're still pushing for Jane Thor

COME ON, MAN!

>>93386643
>Changes The Comic Book Industry
Maybe they're quitting to focus on multimedia.

>>93397456
NOTHING WILL BE EVER THE SAME
THE SUMMER EVENT THAT PUT ALL STAKES ON THE TABLE
BE READY FOR A UNIVERSE WIDE CHANGING EVENT
N O T H I N G W I L L E V E R B E T H E S A M E

>>93386803

Two of those muties are the alternate dimension young X-Men who shouldn't be here and shouldn't have been here in the first place.

Do we know what time the announcement will be?

>>93391130
While I agree it's disproportionate, that's just the way it is. If DC made something similar you'd bet there would be 4+ Bat-characters on the poster, even though that's literally one extended family and the X-Men corner comprises dozens of teams.

For a couple of decades at least the X-Men were Marvel's premier team, as oldfags know. Having 4 or so out of 20+ IS selling them short.

You can't seriously claim Devil Dinosaur is more notable than Storm.

>>93389283
God damn, Spencer and Brevoot got slain.

>>93392805
Moon Knight just ended so FUCKING NOTHING

>>93386643
Seriously though does anyone here have any hope for this?

>>93399509

YES, oh god, I want marvel to be good again.

>Rather, it’s the starting gun to a bevy of mysteries and secrets and revelations that will reverberate across the Marvel Universe in the weeks and months to come!

yeah this is totally NOT rebirth with teasers for LoS, the button, green arrow rebirth, aquaman, titans, and 3 jokers

>>93399565
Can't blame them, it would be the fault of Marvel not to copy Rebirth's gameplan.

inb4 spencer on a pymtron solo book just cause he had fun writing him in secret empire

this is a pipe dream but would be amazing

>>93399565
You forgot wonder woman's brother, JSA and the missing atom.

Overall I can see how marvel will be copying the "ongoing mysteries" that will be starting in legacy #1, it's a good set up to make you buy the books

They're bringing back "Timely Comics" as an alternate line, like Ultimate except the opposite. Golden Age/Silver Age based with classic costumes but times moved forward, to pander to "comic fans". Think Kingdom Come but for Marvel.

>>93399618
except they will be written by the same writing team, marvel's not fooling me

What time should we expect the announcement?

>>93399509
Hope that it'll be good? Yes.

Belief that it'll be good? No.

>>93400012
When it's ready, of course.

>>93400012
I'm expecting Noon Eastern. If not that, 3:00 PM Eastern. It won't be beyond 6.

It's homage covers.

>>>93400637

>>93400903
I don't think that's it. It can't be that. It's too pathetic, even for them.

>>93399713
Source?

>>93397582
They're not doing it simply to misspell, faggot.

How new are you?

You'd have to remove:
>Alonso
>Brevoort
>Queseda
>Slott
>Bendis
>Spencer
>Every shit artist they've used in the past 5 years
>Squirrel Girl needs to be killed
>etc.
There's so much fucking wrong with that company. Every good comic they have isn't good in comparison to any DC stuff. It's good because it's not the typical Marvel garbage.

>>93400931
it's that with some rebranding and renumbering

>>93389182
Devil Dinosaur?

>>93388359
>What was his last book anyway?
X-Men Gold special for 50th anniversary of X-dudes

>>93388905
I fucking love KP, it seems she's going to be straight again, so glad about that.

>>93401402
>Scott
>Jean
>Kitty
>Laura

>>93389262
>cancelled SMT trade

Fucking WHAT

>>93403059
Then there are 5 mutants, because DD is also one

>>93386643
I just wanted a Star Wars/Marvel Event

>>93404357
Disney doesn't want their Star war franchise to be tainted with Marvel Antics more than it's necessary. And they're right.

>>93403070
They cancelled Book 3 due to low orders

Better luck next time they try in five years time

>>93403681
He doesn't have an X-gene. He isn't a mutant. He's a Devil Beast which is a dinosaur equivalent of mutants, but that doesn't make him a mutant anymore than it makes inhumans mutants just because they both mutate into a different form.

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At best this is Marvel plays follow the leader to DC once again (Rebirth)

More likely this is smoke up the ass of readers, ANOTHER renumber to #1, and more piping hot diarrhea mandated by editorial, aka business as usual for modern Marvel

Fuck off

>>93404835
>ANOTHER renumber to #1
no no no no anon we are returning to legacy numbers because legacy is good and we are totally getting close to a historic number

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>Things will never be the same!
>these announcements

>>93388183
Aaaand I have cancer now. Thanks, anon.

>>93392805
I really like all the Inhumans books at the moment.
Otherwise, All New Guardians

How about a discussion on how Marvel should be fixed? On what Marvel Legacy should REALLY be like?

>Ms. Muslim
>X-23

they can fuck off

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>>93386643
>Changing the face of Comics
>Was literally making homage covers -- which are the "faces" of comics

Sometimes I love you, Marvel

>>93386643
It'll suck

>>93389172
I'm imagining Beast studying Vader's body and it being like

>fascinating! It seems that youmre a mutant too, as your telekensis and telepathy are caused by a mutation in your cel-*urk*!

>You've said quite enough, Doctor.

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https://news.marvel.com/comics/67447/marvel-legacy-changes-comic-book-industry/

Wow. Its fucking nothing.

>>93409002
Wow. If I actually read modern Marvel I'd feel insulted.

>>93410047
I do read modern Marvel and the biggest takeaway from this whole thing is that they're cancelling their best book (Ultimates).

>>93410047

i read modern marvel and i'm just laughing at it. we're around the bend

Wow, consider the comic industry...CHANGED 4EVER!!!

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>>93410166

Perhaps they meant to change the industry forever by providing the utmost worst example of what NOT to do, thus inspiring other works to be better

>>93391859
The difference is that when Stan Lee put "World's Greatest Comic Magazine" on the cover- he was telling the truth.

>>93392167
Manga magazines work because they're dirt cheap.

>>93399713
Kingdom Come was more of pro pander than a fan pander. Compare sales from the extreeme era and the dad comics era. Every few years the big two get the idea that the fans have bad taste and they need to be culled.
They are way better at getting rid of the current fans than getting new ones though.

All variants: https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/06/23/marvel-legacy-title-cover-reveals-one-place/

Nerdist and Marvel didn't credit the variant cover artists, but some signatures are obvious, such as the Ben Reilly one by Dan Mora.