>Cartoon is genuinely good and actually funny. >People

Such as?

>>93359088
Would you Sandy, /co/?

>>93359112
Hell yeah, I love doing karate!

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>>93359112
why the fuck not

>>93359088
If this is a Villainous thread in disguise I swear to God

I still remember fondly how Mr Enter criticized SpongeBob for plot holes and physical inconsistensies

>>93359101
Be Cool, Scooby Doo!

>>93359088
>Liking mindless drival

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>>93359112
No way, fag.

LPS

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>cartoon has both lore and humor
>lore never gets too complicated and the humor is just right
What's her name, /co/?

>>93359101
Right Now Kapow was severely underrated and didn't deserved that early cancellation

>>93359537
that artstyle was fucking insulting.

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>>93359336
You literally just described this.

>>93359267
Came here to say this.

>>93359267
>>93359537
People dislike these shows because they're physically painful to look at. Not saying it's justified though.

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>cartoon is genuinely good
>people hate it because it's popular
>to the point of making up all sorts of ridiculous, straw-grasping reasons for why it's "shit"

>>93359725
I never really got the logic how the designs are ugly (or that they look like macfarlane did them).

>>93359112
yes, many times, alot, why?

>>93359336
Gumball

>>93359728
funny how this seems to only happen with cartoons you like, huh?

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>>93359825
It's because of how drastically different they are compared to previous Scooby Doo shows. The designs give me more of a Brickleberry vibe

>>93359825
Rather than the designs, it's the color work that burns the eyes.

>>93359728
I'm sure none of it ultimately has to do with being blind or anything.

>>93359088
Too many lorefags, not enough SOL fags.

>>93359088
We Bare Bears thread?

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Loud House

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>>93359112
yes

>>93359725
This

If it looks like shit people aren't going to watch it

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Lore is ALWAYS better than no lore. By principle it is more interesting, generates better discussion and so.

The problem is always in bad writting, not lore in itself.

By the way, I have no idea on which cartoon you are talking about OP. /co/ doesnt hate any cartoon for "not" having a lore.

>>93359112
No.

>>93360038
this i would get (the proportions/designs are more similar than macfarlane's)
>>93360083
oh, now this is something interesting (an actual quantifiable complaint rather than a vague one).

colors never really bothered me, or is it more vibrant on HD screens?
>>93360643
based on the image, spongebob?

>>93359088
>actually funny cartoon without lore

The only one of this kind to come out in the last seven years was Dan VS. Regular Show would count too, but the last season disqualifies it. Everything else that's on TV currently is the kind of eyesores you'd see browsing tumblr or Deviantart. Waifufaggotry, bright colors, and simple character designs that any loser with photoshop can wipe their ass with to make recolors and fetish art out of.

>>93360643
>Lore is ALWAYS better than no lore.
That's wrong though

>>93359149
Not if it involves blowjobs.

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>>93361006
Too many contrasting colors puts a strain on my eyes, especially when the saturation is ramped up so much. Problem Solverz was even more extreme than Right Now Kapow in that regard.
For example, in this shot the composition is thrown off by the girl's hair, which has too much going on...

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>>93362194
...but a simple color edit eases it out. I could probably do more, but I hope you see what I'm getting at.

>>93362194
ah!
the last time i can be sure the visuals hurt my eyes was the live-action speed racer movie.

the starting scene of the cross-country race just had too much going on (and in bright colors).

>>93361236
As long as it's done reasonably well so it doesn't ruin the show, that's pretty much an ironclad rule.

>>93361236
Lore doesn't do anything other than add some deeper layers on the character or explore more the worldbuilding.

If you didn't liked the lore, you can blame how the writing handled it, not the concept of lore itself.

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>>93359112
>Smart
>Knows Karate
>Texan accent

>>93359119
and i love mon-e-ay!

>>93359101
Uncle Grandpa

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>>93359629
hahahaahahahahahaha

>>93359629
Why would you lie to him like that?

>>93363622
Nobody hates it for "not having a lore".

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>>93359728
>>people hate it because it's popular

Stop with this fucking """argument""", people probably hate it because it's shit you fucking fag.

>>93360643
This is entirely wrong when it comes to comedy. The strongest television comedies are ones that don't have more than maybe one or two little things that continue, like relationships or shit. Things that don't actually require tuning in every week to keep up.

Cartoons, for a large majority of history, have always been comedic above all else.

>>93364009
But lore can be something that is only kept on the background, there is absolutely no conflict with comedy.

"Lore" is basically just backstory and worldbuilding.

>>93364009
>Cartoons, for a large majority of history, have always been comedic above all else.
Which is even more of a problem than the Animation Age Ghetto. At least that one can be worked around to a large extent by fooling the censors. But you can't really trick anyone into thinking drama is comedy.

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>>93359112
Squirrel pussy nigga.

>>93359149
s-source?

>>93359088
People turning their nose up at comedy will never stop annoying me. You'd think cartoonfags of all people would know better than being pretentious about media.

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>>93359088
op, all shows have lore
it's whether or not the writers decide to do anything with it

>>93364158
Seems to work for the MCU.

>>93359728
SAMURAI JACK WENT TO SHIT AFTER EPISODE 3
DEAL WITH FUCKING IT, FAG

>>93363957
saying it's shit without coming bringing any arguments just fuels the "It's popular, therefore you hate it" argument. Talk about running in circles...

>>93360381
>>93360421
>>93359309
Those suck because they're just bland, the lack of lore has nothing to do with it.

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>>93365423
holy shit, if the arguments posted during SJ's airtime didn't get through your thick skull then you're fucking hopeless

>>93359537
To be fair, it was only ever a shorts series. Same with Two More Eggs. Disney only needs so many to run between commercials.

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>>93359088
>People hype up a mediocre show because "It's just a simple show! It's just simple funny SoL fun! It goes back to the classics!"
>Humor is actually shit
>"Whatever you just don't like it because it's not a LORE DRAMA!"

>>93359088

Not OP but there's quite an argument in regards to world building vs lore. I actually think there's quite a difference between the two or at least the way the words are commonly used.

What the OP I think is referring to is more of what can be described as 'deepest lore' as in a continuity that is supposed to be taken seriously and is supposed to be the 'subtle layers' that drives the plot along. This I feel is different than world building which can be anything from explaining what cheese does what, what are the companies in the world etc etc. Worldbuilding is just more generalized in its usage than 'lore'.

Both are used for frame working in franchises but world building tends to be used more to describe the 'physical workings and players in the game' rather than the stories that accompany them.

Spongebob uses its world to frame jokes and non serious conflicts. While there can be continuity, it's often only for more ideas for jokes and plots that you know will be resolved or go nowhere intentionally. It's a static show for the most part. SU on the other hand depends on lore to explain how the world works and for character development that they at least try to make serious…even if they fail quite often and end up in a static loop just like the aforementioned cartoon.


There's nothing wrong with lore or worldbuiling. But I will say this, to an extent I feel as though everyone has forgotten how to enjoy certain franchises that don't have 'interacate layers' and are just entertainment for entertainment's sake. A lot of things now are just taken too seriously. That's why I often like series in this day and age that don't try to be a deep and sofistated or take itself too seriously because 'deeeeep' shows are becoming very over saturated.

Mind you there's nothing wrong with shows that try to be more serious and try to be more realistic with substance, but it does get tiring sometimes.

>>93364177
source

>>93366027
https://dalley-alpha.tumblr.com/post/157053380194/any-possibility-youll-color-the-sandy-cheeks

>>93365892
>There's nothing wrong with lore or worldbuiling. But I will say this, to an extent I feel as though everyone has forgotten how to enjoy certain franchises that don't have 'interacate layers' and are just entertainment for entertainment's sake. A lot of things now are just taken too seriously. That's why I often like series in this day and age that don't try to be a deep and sofistated or take itself too seriously because 'deeeeep' shows are becoming very over saturated.

>Mind you there's nothing wrong with shows that try to be more serious and try to be more realistic with substance, but it does get tiring sometimes.
You're giving writers way too much of a pass here. The problem isn't oversaturation of "deep" shows, if anything it's the opposite: pretty much every such show is actually quite shallow if you peel back the thin veneer of depth obscuring the clichéd tropes used in it.

There is simply no real drive in this industry for screenwriters to put serious thought into what they write.

>>93366370

Define serious thought.

>thin veneer of depth obscuring the clichéd tropes used in it.
Problem is everyone's perception of deep is subjective. Every form of writing since the damn of time has tropes. Nothing can ever be truly original. And with the specific subject matter in question doesn't have the true capability of being deeper.

>>93365297
nevermind i found it

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>>93363957
It's probably because it usually doesn't deserve to be popular, or because once it get's popular and people start to see what the fuss is about, they start to find more and more flaws within it.
Good and bad things have this problem.

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>show is funny and well written
>has extensive lore and mythos
>begins exploring new themes and ideas
>/co/ autisticly screeches because the show's particular direction of lore doesn't fit their precise autistic headcanon

>>93366883
>And with the specific subject matter in question doesn't have the true capability of being deeper.
how much quality anime have you watched anon

>>93367902
The problem is not that it doesn't fit, but that /co/'s version is usually objectively better. The wisdom of autistic crowds and all that.

>>93366883
>Problem is everyone's perception of deep is subjective.
You could say this to excuse literally any shitty writing.
>Nothing can ever be truly original.
There are certainly degrees of originality.

>>93368006
/co/ has basically never had a good idea anon. No, "these characters should fuck" doesn't count.

>>93368006
>but that /co/'s version is usually objectively better
Well, someone thinks very highly of themselves.

>>93368059
>"these characters should fuck" doesn't count.
And just why not, may I ask? If a cartoon is well-written, a good ship should only enhance the story.

>>93367983

It was in reference to children's cartoons, anon. American children's cartoons.
Anime is different. It's made in a different culture for more types of demographics.

>>93368028

>Problem is everyone's perception of deep is subjective.
You could say this to excuse literally any shitty writing.

But it's true.
Deep isn't an objectively measurable concept because what resonates with some people doesn't for others. Anything can be thoughtful.

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>>93367902
>>show is funny and well written
>>has extensive lore and mythos
>>begins exploring new themes and ideas
>>/co/ ignores it because it is a Webshow and not on Nick/CN/Disney

>>93359728
>Show has genuine flaws
>People point them out
>"Lol, you only hate it because it's popular"

It's very easy if you're not braindead to spot shitposts and people who actually have a point.

I've seen tons of well behaved threads where people pointed out the flaws in Steven Universe or Season Two of Gravity Falls without going on, "cause it's Tumblr/CalArts" tangents.

>>93360643
I don't know about you, but I would always take a marathon of Seinfeld or Always Sunny over a marathon of Game of Thrones.

>>93368616
The Reward is great, but it's hard to get excited over another fantasy genre "lore" series. It's kind of one of the more dry things you could make lore out of it.

Also, by its very production nature, it's painfully slow.

>>93367902
/co/ suggested Ashi should've pushed Jack into the portal rather than going with him herself, then there could still be an element of bittersweetness when they both realize she cannot use the portal because Aku's powers can only transport others.

Another suggestion would be an additional scene that either would show the far future and whether some iteration of these characters still existed (Maybe we see the dogs living happily in their world or Scots and his Wife are still together because it was fate they would fall in love).

Someone even storyboarded out some additional scene of cutting back to the characters who would be happy to not exist anymore as long as Jack takes out Aku.

/co/ suggested Grunkle Stan should've never gotten his memories back but instead him going, "Maybe next summer you can come back and we'll make some new memories?" and hint at the possibility that his memories may slowly recover rather than happen in two seconds.

There's been countless suggestions on how to fix Steven Universe and Adventure Time (When Finn got his arm back when the threads still had an ounce of activity left).

There's a lot more than just autistic screeching going on here.

>>93359101
Teen Titans go

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Pic related its a good example

>>93369444
But that one is specifically hated for being unfunny. Nothing to do with lore.

>>93369028
>/co/ suggested Grunkle Stan should've never gotten his memories back but instead him going, "Maybe next summer you can come back and we'll make some new memories?" and hint at the possibility that his memories may slowly recover rather than happen in two seconds.
This would've been a horrible idea, all the more since his memory recovery time was hardly the biggest issue with the finale.

>>93359101

Clarence

>>93369810
>all the more since his memory recovery time was hardly the biggest issue with the finale.
You're kidding right? That's one of the top complaints: Is that he gets his memory back way too fast.