>character supposed mastered all of the martial arts

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By being Asian. It's the only way.

>>93305293
Because he's the motherfucking Batman

Feathers

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>>93305293
>character mastered "all the marchal arts"
>generic punch, kick, takedown routine

>>93305364
This.

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practice m8

>>93305293
By not knowing how many martial arts there are, and not understanding what mastering means.

>>93305375
>implying all martial arts aren't variations of punching/kicking/grappling

>character stole fire from nigh-omnipotent beings.
>literally how
>character rides chariot all day dragging the sun along as he fights a snake monster.
>literally how
>character gets scar that forms a bond with his greatest enemy.
>literally how
>character gains chance at living a better life after not narcing on an escaped convict as a kid.
>literally how
>character gets resurrected as this heroic manifestation of courage as part of this trinity and always manages to find his sword, shield, and horse.
>literally how

It's called suspension of disbelief for the sake of storytelling.
They're essentially metaphors given personalities.
The whole point is to create beings that are larger than life. Otherwise we could just be reading non-fiction.
It's a chance to explore things that normally couldn't happen.

I don't get why people expect this to be different for comics.
They try to tie -in with real life, but at the end of the day, superheroes are still allusions to fighting injustices people otherwise wouldn't be able to. It's commercialized art, but it's still very much art. It's self-expression that's not meant to be taken literal.

>>93305375
I want me some pencak silat using motherfucker tearing through thugs like a shredder.

>>93305293

For one, by not practicing marital arts.

>>93305293

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_martial_arts

>>93306138
I did not know Batman could oil wrestle.

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>>93305293
>character supposed mastered all of the martial arts
>Tugs and crazy people can still take them dowm hand to hand

Quality over quantity

>>93305293
>mastered all of the martial arts
>shoot heat seeking missile at him
??? Waste of time.

>>93306196
Do those same skills translate to mud wrestling though, that is the real question.

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>character supposed mastered all four of the elements

literally how?

>>93306308
mystical nature shit, bruv

>>93305706
It's not the realism, it's the fact that this shows an obvious lack of care from the writers. It's basically saying "lol my character can't be beaten in a fist fight", except you know they'll struggle regularly because dramatic tension and lose occasionally in fist fights because invincible heroes are boring, and this forces retarded power creep where now EVERYONE's an expert in all martial arts even when it doesn't make sense, even when the characters mever even demonstrate the faintest understanding of a single actual martial art form and the original writer just wanted a guy who's unnaturally good at hand to hand combat.

Compare against, say, Avatar, where the bending types are all their own martial art forms with their own intricacies and strengths. Here, the idea of a character who masters all the martial arts is an actual meaningful statement, both in that we can see the differences and that they're rare enough that it doesn't crowd the space or make single form fighters or even normies worthless.

>>93306212
>he doesn't know about Missile Reversal Dou

enjoy dying a horrible death

>>93306364
The original writer can't really control what happens after with the character though. People play up the villains to undermine his abilities, and create conflict, but oftentimes it just takes away from the character. However, the original character can't be changed without a retcon so writers just have to go with it. If you want to judge a character for that, you have to remove everything else and go with his original conception. Otherwise you just gotta go with it. It's like that game where everyone makes a story wtiting one sentence. You're gonna have that one douche that kinda ruins things, and you jist have to continue on or end the story.

>>93305364
>>93305379
How can he remember all those fighting styles yet do generic kicks and punches?

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>Character with sword can beat a character with gun

>>93306598
*blocks bullets by twirling blade*

I can buy someone like Vandal Savage doing that.

>>93306598
If he moves in a zig-zag motion, it is possible. Come on Charlie.

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>>93306595
>Pro Wrestling

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>>93305293
>character supposed mastered all of the martial arts
Gets his ass kick in hand to hand combat by some no named henchmen

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>Peak human

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>>93306598
>Trained soldiers with guns can't hit a moving target 20 feet away

>>93306716
are you implying what I think you are? Because I'm not happy about it.

>>93306595
>wing chun
No wonder he jobs so much.

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>>93306754
this

>>93305293
By being a regular human just like me XDDD

A super smart billionaire who spends almost all of his free time, fighting regular thugs and clowns.

I'm so relatable, amirite

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>>93306787
Remember when this happened?

>>93306854
Oh yeah

>>93306854
Friendly reminder that Amell's partner had his finisher named the Red Arrow just for this storyline while Stardust renamed his the Queen's Gambit

The things WWE won't do

>>93306595
>sombo
It's spelt Sambo actually

>>93306854
Why would a super wizard need to wrestle? Can't he just turn everyone into heads?

>>93306912
>Queen's Gambit
Way better name than Arrow Season 3

>>93305293

>character supposed flies and tows planets on chains
>character supposed travels at light speed without disturbing his immediate surroundings
>character supposed creates green constructs out of a willpower-based resource pool and it's just science

literally how?

>>93306927
It's probably because Murricans are retarded and the word "sambo" has racist connotations.

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>>93306940
It's just a name.

He's actually Mr. Sinister.

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>>93306912

Actually the Red Arrow is named for the RAF's aerobatics team.

>>93306308
>character supposed mastered waterbending in a few weeks with zero prior training

literally how?

>>93306992
Yea Fund It.

>>93306398
Joe please

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>>93305293
>character trait is being a master of all fighting styles
>literally never amounts to anything other than "ooh he can punch really hard and do some ninja flips sometimes"
>writers rarely bother to actually look up a fighting style and incorporate it into the way a character moves or fights
>it's always the same shit

This shouldn't bother me as much as it does but I hate that writers treat a character mastering a fighting style like he was just picking up a new hobby.

>>93305375

Hey, never forget the fundamentals.

>characters took martial arts in college
>can defeat pretty much anyone because no one else in the universe knows how to fight

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>>93306308
>literally one of the strongest magic users ever
>has no formal teaching
>no discipline

>>93306567
generic punches and kicks are the most useful moves

relying on fancy moves is a common mistake for beginners

>character is the world's greatest detective
>rarely does any actual detective work and has gadgets that solve all the crimes for him

>it takes 10 years to truly master a skill
>there are 100+ unique martial arts not including the 1000s of redundant samey styles

>>93305293
Most martial arts are just dancing and posing and can't be used in a real fight.

You basically only need boxing, muay thai, wrestling, and bjj. Everything else is just over stylization of the techniques from those forms.

>>93307405
>bjj
lmao.
Real jujutsu or combat sambo > Gracie's gay grappling.

>character is a supergenius
>acts like a regular guy who makes dumb decisions but created a lot of tech

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>>93306595
>>93306716

>character is confirmed to know one martial art
>some of the shit he pulls in combat looks nothing like that martial art

>character is all-powerful mighty fuck
>just punches with no grappling whatsoever.

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>>93307736
>One Meme punch?
All Might fits too though

>>93307736
Why have MMAy sex with someone, when you can just knock them out with said "all-powerful mighty fuck" power?

>>93305293
Because it ain't real innit? It's fucking make-believe.

>>93307822
Why not just break their arms or try to practice some painful holds and locks?
Not like they can overpower you.

>>93306595
>Capoeira
No the fuck he didn't

>>93307792
All Might used grappling and such in his fight m8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPp1GhuIP4o , Saitama is the one that kills in one punch

>>93305364
I like Batman way more when he is just a buff man who knows how to punch, fight dirty and handle himself in combat plus the usual parkour and detective shit than having him be the good of disharmed combat

>>93305706
>Not realizing that people like the more down to earth characters for being down to earth and the whacky characters for being whacky
>Not understanding that having the crazy fun adventure guy at all gritty and dark or having the down to Earth one go all silver age is shit writing

>>93306697

Shut the fuck up, you pinky. You run in a zig-zag pattern away from a person with a gun.

>>93307405
yeah growing up you think martial arts are special then you get older and realize they're bullshit and basically boxing and wrestling will take you farther than kung fu.

>>93307995
many current martial arts tend to be neutered in order to be practiced as a sport rather than a form to fuck people up

>>93308098
i don't see the point of learning something the wrong way, out of "sport"

i had this friend who was this local taekwondo something, idk he had a bunch of medals and trophies. pretty much always said he'd fare well in a fight. anyways we where out drinking and these assholes started shit and there was a large group of them, instead of just walking away he talked shit to them. so long story short he got his ass kicked and i didn't. he sucked balls at landing any hits and they didn't even hurt people when he did.

>systema is good
Kek

>>93306595
>Sombo
What the fuck, is that supposed to be Sambo?

>>93308375
Dude should've gone with MMA instead. Sure you'd get hurt but that's kind of the point. You're going to get hurt in a fight and you're going to hurt people in a fight.

How good is judo, /asp/?

>>93307912
I give Batman a pass like I give Wolverine a pass. Wolverine has bummed around long enough to learna bunch of fighting styles and be better at them than most people alive.

Batman is crazy enough to have stuck to martial arts training all around the globe and still probably trains with new styles all the time. I do not believ batman is the best hero ever or that he should beat everyone he fights though.

>>93308457
dude's sort of a pussy. i don't think he could handle mma. he's hyper competitive but not physically strong or coordinated imo. so i think he just likes getting trophies, but not actually fighting. where i actually enjoy fighting and do it to test myself. i agree getting the shit kicked out of you is part of learning. i've only trained in boxing.

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>>93307230
>thinking writers do any research before writing rather than go on a Christopher Priest-esque rant about how they don't have the time to read comics

>>93307893
There's no way to tell, since you'd never use capoeira moves in a real fight. Except for the one where you take a razor blade out of your pocket and slit the guy's throat.

>>93306595
Is this what Green Arrow knows or the actor?

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>>93305364
But that's objectively wrong.

>>93306595
That shit bugs me. The only time he ever trained in a martial art on-screen in the flashbacks, is Eskrima with Slade. Then, around the first half of season 3 he suddenly knows how to use different techniques. I'm not asking for training montages, but some mention that he had some off-screen training would've been nice.

>>93305293
I figure it's like being fluent in Latin and maybe you can BS your way through Spanish, Italian, and French. Or at least learn them a little better.

You learn boxing,like all of boxing, even the dirty stuff and boom you've got a pretty strong foundation for learning upper body striking, you learn wrestling and there's you grappling, and muy thai as foundation for strong kicks, But from there with those three learned to the best of your ability the rest is stances, forms, and slight variations.

There was this show fight quest. And it was kind of like Anthony Bourdain except with martial arts. These two guys would just travel around learning different martial arts for a week and then fighting at the end of episode. But a lot of what they learned they'd mention it's a lot like this thing they already learned at this other place they visited or when they were doing MMA. So if you started young enough with the intention of mastering all known martial arts, I imagine it's somewhat possible in a life time.

But then I also associate somethings in fiction with a Sherlock Holmes ability to memorize or learn shit. Especially Batman or characters like him. Like Sherlock homes deductive method works in theory but you have to be someone that's memorized the look smell and texture of all soil samples in the city and surrounding areas. There's a certain level of fictional genius that goes without question in these things.

>>93308539
It's great for getting out of fights. Like get your opponent to the ground maybe hurt and disorient them in the process and then running away.

>>93309661
Sounds like it'd be a good opener into a ground fight.

>>93305706
>Implying Greek Gods are even close to omnipotent.
Zeus himself is weaker than a lot of high tier capes.

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>>93306754
Nothing makes me more mad than this bullshit. It's the cheapest way of giving your character superpowers while saying "they're normal people like you and me" It doesn't even have any real meaning anymore. I look at the DC wiki, everyone's "peak human".

>>93307255
>martial arts
You mean "grew up on the rough part off town", right?

>>93309998
They're both shit either way.

>>93309998
That whole post was a Dexter Morgan reference

>>93310024
I see. I was just posting an example of my own.

>>93307912
I personally like Batman Begins Batman because he's just a theatrical ninja

>>93309998
Terry Motherfucking McGinnis.

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>>93305364
This kind of shit is why I prefer Daredevil in the comics and only like Batman outside of comics and far away from the Justice League

>>93307903
Saitama grapples. He only gets scrappy when necessary

>>93305293
My question is why.

Past a certain point, everything kind of can be summed up as, fists, shins and grappling.

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>good guy and bad guy are fighting
>bad guy grabs good guy
>instead of going for a grapple, submission hold or pummel they throw the good guy, giving them a chance to reset the situation.

>>93309906

Zeus is more or less omnipotent in classic Homerian lore, there's lines where he describes how he could singlehandedly fuck all the rest of creation if he wanted to, and that the rest of the gods combined don't come close to his own strength. In the Iliad he uses the latter fact constantly as a means of intimidating the rest of the gods to fall in line.

>>93310372
Because that's what is exciting?

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>>93306776
>character is bullet prood
>suddenly bad guys can aim
Can't wait for Defenders and Luke being the only one getting hit.

>>93307516
>character is a supergenius
>he mastered "science"
>not any science in particular, just science I guess, and also all kinds of engineering apparently

>>93310310
>saitama grapples
He fucking punches people. It's in his name. His whole routine is to jump around a little, and then punch them.

>>93307516
I've seen too many clumsy, absentminded, emotionally stupid professors for this to bother me.

>character is a "scientist"
>nothing in particular, just... "scientist"
>ATHEISM 4TW BRAINLETS BTFO EDGY NIHILISM YO

It really rustles me jimmies...

>>93310479
>He's the go to plot device for medical, forensic, hacking etc. He just... knows.

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>>93305293

>>93310660
This is the one that pisses me off. Comic book writers are stupid as shit and it always shows when they try to inject real world science into shit. Don't even bother explaining it you stupid moron we already know you can't.

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>>93305364
>Mastered all of the martial arts
>Not the ones that makes him higher than street teir.

>>93310856
For me what irks me is that all the biggest scientists had some version of spirituality. Some were Secular Christians, some were pantheists some were theists. The whole "scientist = atheist" meme is a product of today's Meme-Scientists like Black Space Man & "Science" Guy.

The more you study physics, the more you see that atheism in the sense of "randomness" falls apart. You may not recognize something as "supernatural", but deism & pantheism make the most sense if you actually get into it.

But either way, what makes me REEE is that that's the defining characteristic of every science-character. That's how they introduce them. Iron Man? First page of Gillen's run "I don't believe in God". Fraction? The infamous Odin scene. Reed? "There is no God = Nothing matters". Pym? "There is no God". After a while it gets fucking boring and uninspired.

t.physics undergrad

>character with no super-strength/doesn't even look all that strong
>can snap necks with ease

>>93310897
You want to know the worst part about all that?
Richards fucking met God in Waid's run. Then, under Fraction, he goes full fedora. Words cannot describe how fucking mad I am just remembering that.

>>93310935
I remember. Motherfucker saved his kid from Hell. He knows Doom saved his mom from Hell. It's just... ugh.

Hell, Tony has received the worst end of the stick. There have been instances where he prayed once in a while, and yeah, he's not the most devout guy, but you can see that he has that spiritual link in him. He probably rationalizes it, but still, it's there.

And then you go to the Fraction run, and he's all "I'm a scientist, I don't believe in you".

The Fedora-izing of Marvel's science-guys is truly disgusting. I mean, Mr. Terrific was a Fedora-Tipper, but in the end, you saw that Pre-Nu52, he had started to come to terms with the world around him. But nah, in marvel it's all about being a """liberal""" Euphoric Fedora-Tipper.

>>93310897
It depends on the person for some people it reaffirms their original beliefs sometimes it makes them change their mind.I've always been agnostic so it's not a big deal for me.But yeah the pure fedora tipping dialog is annoying. I'm still more mad at the stupid people try to imagine what smart people do. The scene that stuck with me was when storm and bp were married and BP was was reading a fucking bunch of physics textbook. Or when reed and tony were play five games of chess at the same time. It's baffling.

>>93310985
I'm not even that much of a devout guy myself, but the whole "scientist = gnostic atheist" is ridiculous. It's just... assumptions made by low-tier writers based on what they see on the tee-vee.

And yeah, "smart = doing smart guy things all the time" needs to stop.

>>93311009
It's not even "smart guy things" it's more abut the stupidity of them BP would be reading scientific journals to grasp a better understanding of new things over text books of all fucking things. the chess thing is just ridiculous. Yeah someone can be a nerd 24/7. you can at least attempt to portray it well.

>>93308898
>>93307230
>character is Puerto Rican
>uses Mexican and Chilean slang

>>93311040
Yeah, i get what you're saying. Textbooks themselves are so incomplete you need to gather 5 of them, 1k pages each, to piece together a small paragraph because each one has an incomplete description of a certain theory/formula.

>>93309571
>Like Sherlock homes deductive method works in theory but you have to be someone that's memorized the look smell and texture of all soil samples in the city and surrounding areas. There's a certain level of fictional genius that goes without question in these things.

I was actually reading some of the Conan Doyle stories and the real Sherlock isn't as OP as he's later become in adaptations, at one point he can't remember the name of something fairly basic like a US state, and people get away from him all the time (Although most times that happens there's some dramatic justice happening anyway).

>>93311127
>at one point he can't remember the name of something fairly basic like a US state
I like that this is explained by Sherlock as him not caring about anything that isn't related to his work. I think he also mentioned not knowing whether the Earth was flat or not because he had no use for the information.

>>93309571
fight quest was so fucking cool, but mostly their mma was enough to beat the shit out of other techniques. the goal of matching their style was harder, than them just winning a fight. still cool show.

>>93310970
mr. terrific doesn't make sense in a world where the fucking specter is a thing. like what more proof do you need? also sandman is on his fucking team. sand-i'm related to dream of the endless-man.

>>93310897
>The more you study physics, the more you see that atheism in the sense of "randomness" falls apart
That doesn't even make any sense.

>But either way, what makes me REEE is that that's the defining characteristic of every science-character. That's how they introduce them. Iron Man? First page of Gillen's run "I don't believe in God". Fraction? The infamous Odin scene. Reed? "There is no God = Nothing matters". Pym? "There is no God". After a while it gets fucking boring and uninspired.
It is boring and uninspired, especially in the context of a universe where god clearly exists (as the author if nothing else), but you just sound triggered bro.

>>93305293
You dropped a tenner

>>93311127
Dunno about 'people getting away from him all the time', he specifically says he's only ever had four cases he didnt solve at one point.
Regarding memory though yeah, he basically says that even the smartest people only have a limited memory, and the skill isnt in how much you remember but your ability to pick and choose only the information relavant to your career.
So he has near comprehensive detail on soil around London, an encyclopedic knowledge of criminal cases around the world etc, but he couldn't tell you whether the earth revolves around the sun or the other way around, because he's deemed it pointless to know.

Hes not absolutely flawless in them though, he ocassionaly misses things or doesn't immediately figure things out, and he outright states that his brothers actually smarter and better at deductive reasoning than him, hes just also fat and doesn't have the energy for the legwork involved.

>>93307356

Bruce way has lived throughout all of human history.

He actually learnt all the martial arts off panel in The Return of Bruce Wayne.

That's why I liked that WW fighting part in crisis on two earths.

>>93307516
Zim is actually a great genius type. He can devise any weapon but can't rationalize why doing so would be a bad idea.

>>93311236
The naswer they gave in his case was "it's higher but not the highest". So he was playing with words. In the end he did start coming to terms with it though.
>>93311265
>That doesn't even make any sense.
It does if you start learning about things on a deeper level. Moving from the typical Neutonian Physics and Fluid Mechanics and whatnot which constitute the "everyday physics", if you start looking at the way atoms behave, at waves and quantum mechanics you will notice a harmony that is unlike any other. It's as if everything is following a strict sense of order and "code".

I'm not saying there is an invisible man outside of the Multiverse who operates past the 11th Dimension and puts souls in people, but the hypothesis of a supreme... "thing" that is atop everything else isn't that "out-there" Like I said, pantheism is exactly that, as in what some call God or "Divine" is simply reality itself.

And if you check the views and beliefs of the major and classical scientists, you will find that the majority of them held similar views. None of the "big ones" were the "hardcore militant atheists" that the current crop of Meme-Tists are. Hell, even the "edgy" quote by Oppenheimer teens use to be "cool" came from Buddhism.

Either way, liek I said, i'm not the msot devout person, but this trend of making scientists militant gnostic atheists is absurd. Not worshipping a deity =/= not acknowledging the existance of something "higher". And considering we're talking about comic books where the literal Angel of Vengeance exists, it all becomes even more idiotic.

>>93305293
Because it's not meant to be realistic. People in comic books learn shit faster than people IRL. That way, you can have all the fun shit.

ITT: autistic rants about fiction not being realistic

>>93311157
Wouldn't ALL information be relevant to a detective? When its your life work and you do it for years, any little odd tidbit could end up being important information to see the flaws in what people say or claim to have happen.

>I didn't kill him! I fell off the edge of the earth that dude

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>>93310897
>Pym? "There is no God".
That leads to a fucking metal scene so I forgive it.

>>93306308
He didn't though. In Sozin's Comet pt. 1 Toph, Katarra and Zuko all state that he needs to work on his bending more. Zuko teaches him lightning redirection just to be safe. If you remember the battle Aang was getting wrecked throughout the entirety of it until he went into the Avatar state. Aang basically reached proficiency and then lucked his way through.

>>93307271
Nigga she was taught by the badger moles the OG earth benders.

>>93311953
>It's as if everything is following a strict sense of order and "code".
Why would this hint at the existence of some kind of higher power? There could be literally any reason for it, no matter how improbable it might be or how remote the chances of it occurring just randomly are. Famous historical scientists being religious or spiritual doesn't really mean much to me either, because all this sounds like to me is just an attempt to interpret things into a more human understanding, and attributing functions of nature and the universe to higher powers is a very human thing to do.

>>93305293
There's a certain osmosis when it comes to martial arts. Once you start learning one style you pick up on other styles faster and faster because there's only so many ways to throw a punch or kick or throw. It's entirely feasible if you train from a young age to master many different kinds.

>>93305293
Nobody knows, that's their superpower

>>93311198
I still smile when I remember the, what was it, Wing Chun? The big guy really didn't have a body designed for Wing Chun, so on instinct he reverts to boxing. His opponent can't handle it slightly despite the supposed deep mysteries of Wing Chun, and they have to give the victory to his opponent cause he was the one using the proper martial art.

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>>93310867
>The Orange Ninja Series
>Relatively well-animated fight scene that doesn't take an entire episode for important moments/counters to happen
...that's surprising

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>>93310375
>he could singlehandedly fuck all the rest of creation if he wanted to
But he already does

>>93313104
Because it's too beautiful to be a mistake, anon.

It's a whole standing in awe before creation thing. At some point it's just not possible to hold on to the belief that it's all happened by mere chance. It's too orderly. It all fits together too perfectly. This doesn't hint at God, but God becomes as good a belief as any once you've gone far enough down the rabbit hole that is physics.

You can screech that it's just another level of superstition to fill in the blanks. It is, but it doesn't change the fact a lot of big names hit the point they couldn't hold on to an atheistic belief system. It's not like atheists have any proof of what they believe anymore than anyone else. They've just got much bigger egos about how they have to be right.

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>>93306854
it's called 'scouting your opponent'

>>93313680
It's a movie.

>>93313883
I watched one of the movies a while back, and the animation was sort of 'same as the series but without QUALITY moments'-tier
Are more recent movies actually worth watching?

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>Master of any and all martial arts
>easily defeated by an unassuming, goofy character

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And this is why I love Shang-Chi.

He was trained as a master of kung-fu, and he fucking uses it during his fights, instead of random regular kicks or punchs.

>>93313821
>Because it's too beautiful to be a mistake, anon.

'Mistake' implies a creator, anon.

>>93313948
Fighting has it's own internal logic. The further in you get, the less it becomes about pure reflex and reaction.It becomes about this 'fight logic' and who is better at it. Though it's easiest just to say whoever is the better at reading the other wins when explaining it.

A loonatic violates fight logic, but can only win by fluke. That said, a fluke victory is still a victory.

Or they are actually a practitioner of drunken fist.

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>>93305293
Because he gets A serum, that let you copy all martil arts.

Eat it, Fanboy. Tony will rek Batman.

>>93311953
>It does if you start learning about things on a deeper level. Moving from the typical Neutonian Physics and Fluid Mechanics and whatnot which constitute the "everyday physics", if you start looking at the way atoms behave, at waves and quantum mechanics you will notice a harmony that is unlike any other. It's as if everything is following a strict sense of order and "code".

It's called "The Force".

No, I'm not memeing SW shit, there is literally an accepted theory that something called "the Force" is what's holding everything together.

>>93313926
Apparently, the Boruto movie is pretty good when it comes to fight scenes, it's where that webm came from.

Otherwise, I can't say.

>>93308375
TKD is the most neutered martial art in history, shoulda boxed or did judo/bjj/wrastlin

>>93314041
Not that anon, but like he said, at some point you start letting go of the "everything just happened cause it did" belief. You don't even have to believe in God. You don't even have to believe in a Creator. But a Supreme...Thing/Divine... Something, becomes the logical conclusion. And hey, I'd rather take the word of Einstein instead of Bill Nye.

Look at it this way. Electrons move around a nucleus, and together with protons and neutrons form an atom. Back in the day they believed that they moved in set trajectories, but now we know they could actually be at any given point inside the "bubble" of the atom, per Schodinger's equation. Now, think about how the two atoms of a Cl2 particle neatly move in the xyz axis. Now think how all of these electrons, and neutros, and protons and all stay together, tied by forces, all to perform "orderly" acts.

It doesn't mean there's a guy who was soooo smart that he created something. But it does bear a lot of resemblance to a "Program"-Like state, with set rules and parameters that result in an orderly world.

And besides, being a scientist means having an open mind about the cosmos. if you follow a dogmatic gnostic atheistic view, you're no better than the extremely religious ones.
>>93314187
I've read little about it, but I've seen it mostly used to explain the unexplainable. You know, how when a train starts moving, and you have a ball attached to a string hanging from the ceiling. Suddenly, it starts going further and further back, as if a force is pulling it. And then it stays, fixed in mid-air.

For all intents and purposes, there is no "force" acted upon it. It doesn't jive with Newton's 3rd Law. It still has a velocity and all that, but it's "abnormal". That's when we use the "unseen force".

>>93308539
>>93309661
>>93309849
This. God I miss Pre-WWE /asp/ so fucking much

>>93314370
ITF style isn't that bad, but WTF being the only known one due to olympics really gave people the wrong idea.

>>93314400
>tfw literally 85% of the threads at any given time are all wrasslin' shit now

>>93305293
By having actual willpower and dedication.

>>93310504
He judo flipped Garou

>>93314048
I remember at one point in One Piece, Luffy fights someone who can read minds and quickly realises he can't do shit and keeps getting punched. He then tries some batshit technique where he just makes himself unconscious, and simply starts dodging everything with solely subconscious reactions which he drops almost immediately because he can't fight back :^).

We need someone to make a subconscious/drunk berserker hybrid, where someone enters a state similar to the usual berserk rage, but is based mainly on reacting to attacks instead of only attacking.

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>>93307863
Because it's quicker to punch them?
That's like asking why someone with a gun sin't trying to shoot down floating objects on top of an enemy instead of just shooting them

>>93314468
>at least a third of that 85% is a diva feet thread

>>93311953
But most scientists ARE agnostic.

>>93314518
There's someone kinda like that on Medaka Box, one of the kinda early henchmen fights by relying exclusively on reflexes to attack and evade.

>>93314670
Depends on the research. but even if that was the case, that's not how they are portrayed in media. They're portrayed as bordeline fedora tippers, and after a while, this just becomes boring, if nothing else.

>>93306776
>>93310419
I got one
>gets hit by rifle
>shrugs it off but slightly in pain

God I hate the walking dead
>one for head only flinched
>aim for head again they drop after a twitch
Dramatic effect my ass it's lazy. Makes bullets seem like magic dice or some shit

>>93314720
I mean, physically it works. If you are in peek condition at the time, you can rely on raw reactions and instinct. The issue that comes up, and why 'fight logic' is a thing, is that raw reactions are either faster or slower day to day or moment to moment for any number of reasons. Maybe you slept too long. Slept too little. Didn't have a good shit. Maybe your dog died. Whatever.

Someone who fights for a living (or for their life) can't really depend on their reactions alone being as good as they could be.

The other end of that is learning how to read people, but that also risks looking like an idiot when you get counter read. You either look like a king or a moron cause you'll either look like you can read minds or punched empty air in a place the person didn't even move to.

You can actually observe this phenomenon in people who play competitive video games professionally (as in they attend tournies and live off the winnings).

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>>93305293
when your a-hole of a dad only had you so you could grow up and at least make him sweat, you need to know every martial art (and make up some) just to survive.

>>93315050
Does all your knowledge come from watching fighting games?

>>93315599
Nope. I just like fighting. When I started watching certain competitive streamers, I started noticing them making some similar mistakes. Though you have to understand what they are trying to do before you realize what it looks like when they fuck up in a specific way. I only realized the theory was similar when I started playing the game myself.

>>93315050
>I mean, physically it works. If you are in peek condition at the time, you can rely on raw reactions and instinct.
No it really doesn't.

At all.

Do you actually box or kickbox? Or at least grapple?

Hell do watch any of those things?

>>93315818
>>93315599
The best is always a combination of knowing how the enemy can/will move, and reacting to openings/unexpected movements faster than they can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuSMEVhPvTY

>>93315884
It works for so-called naturals. Some people just have beastly base reactions. People that rely on it alone will hit a ceiling, but it can be enough to overwhelm the majority of shitty to average people.

Also yes and yes.

>>93315357
i kinda like baki the grappler, but it's such a mess.

>>93315931
Yes, training out your hesitation is one of the things you learn you have to do in the 'fight logic' mention as a loose term. That includes the hesitation that comes with trying to better read someone or come up with a plan. Whatever you can do in the instant it takes to punch is the limit of your ability in either. Essentially, if you have to pick between waiting for a correct act or simply go with a decisive one that isn't correct, go with the decisive act.

Being able to act correctly and decisively is generally called mastery. Till then, the decisive act is stronger.

At the start it can sort of feel like blindly diving in, but it gets better once you force yourself out of comfort zones.

>>93315982
Kengan Ashua /Asura my friend.

>>93305293
Drink a Frosty Jack's and you'll be a goddamn legend

>>93306567
Authors are retarded.

>>93315946
And that ceiling is people who actually know how to grapple and box beyond a club level.

Reaction time and reflexes are not all that important beyond having just the baseline. If you do watch high level competition you're going to notice that nothing anyone does is instinctive. It's systematic and drilled to the point where it looks instinctive but it's not.

Look carefully and its always one of three defensive movements being done. Those moments are unique to them but it's never instinctive.

In reality what fighting usually comes down to is sheer physicality then skill and after point physicality again with all three tiers being tinged with how much of a violent bastard you are.

A keel-ogram uv steel.

>>93316112
I did say shitty to average for a reason.

>>93305453
Most martial artists of their time used weapons. Bows, Spears, Knives, Swords, ect. Punching and kicking weren't in high demand in the middle ages.

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>Character has mastered all martial arts
>Names himself "Karate Kid"

>>93308375
>Implying ANY martial art would save you when you're drunk and up against a large group of opponents

>>93314518
Sometimes in Hajime no Ippo the boxers get knocked semi-unconscious and for a few seconds they start boxing really well because they're going off of their body's muscle memory from training.

>>93315050
Raw reactions will only get you so far. In boxing if all you do is react you'll get your shit pushed in. Punches come at you faster than the human brain can register a response. So in addition to paying attention to telegraphs, boxers have to be proactive in their defense by constantly moving and always throwing punches.

>>93316152
Except it wouldn't work on an average fighter. Only the genuinely shitty ones or people who don't know how to fight.

The word average means typical. The typical average fighter is the amateur boxer in competition who don't really go pro or in MMA the regional scene which is utterly memetic for how much a lot of the fights come down to can you stop the other guy from getting on top or grabbing ahold.

The thing is reflexes are actually checked out in the beginning stages of learning how to fight in stuff that allows grappling because if you're so fast that you can move out of the way of every punch, the other dude is probably not going to keep trying to punch you and is going to hit a double or grab on.

>>93306598
Did bless Indiana Jones for averting this trope

>>93316286
I feel like we simply have different definitions of 'average' and what a 'natural fighter' is.

>>93316013
how good is it?

>>93316328
And your definition of a natural fighter is kind of shit. And actually not in line with what is commonly thought as such in most gyms.

>>93315946
>>93316328
Is your definition of natural fighter someone with good reflexes?

>>93313926
Only the latest one, maybe the previous one if you're a waifu fag.

>>93316381
It's like Baki if Baki was good.

>>93316297
Only because Harrison Ford had stomach ache. The original draft called for a longer fight.

10 years to master any given craft.
Near 90000 hours.

Let's say Bruce has been practicing since 10 years old. He's rich and has a full 24 how day for himself.

If he spends 8 hours a day training for 10 years thats 29200 hours of training. A good chunk.

I'd argue that mastering a martial art is like a learning another coding language. Java, c, c#, php. All have similar syntaxes that if you were to go from one to the other, you'd pick it up pretty fast.Cutting out a lot of middle work.

>>93307792
>saitama only does one move, and its punching
No shit.

>>93316402
Well I started as a natural grappler,
but I'm also kind of down on myself. So I consider what I could do 'average'. I don't generally make this kind of comparison to someone's face cause it's unintentionally insulting. I don't know why I understood body mechanics so well, but there you go. Also apparently it's an interesting experience teaching someone who already knows what you're trying to teach them, but didn't know they knew it.

>>93316428
A little more than that. Innate fight sense helps, but someone who's naturally good enough at it can have trouble moving beyond it. It's the sort of thing where it's so obvious it

>>93313832
Oh shit. Lol

>>93307516
INT =/= WIS

>>93306196
>>93306249
>Dark Knight Returns
Looks like he did!

>>93306595
>>93306927
>>93308449
Simba.

>>93306598
RULES OF NATURE

>>93316508
You do realize that's not all that special right?

Body mechanics are not complicated and it's pretty much the baseline are you athletic enough to actually be worth anything.

That's why the natural fighter label is actually fairly removed from physical ability in most gyms.

>>93310375
And yet he is constantly tricked, over muscled, and is forced to get help from his offspring because he isn't allowed to go against the Fates.

>>93305364
WHO HAS THE COOLEST GADGETS

>>93310867
Damn when did Naruto get this good again?

>>93316477
>Couldn't be asked to deal with the problem and the fight scene
>Came with a funnier & more sensible idea, dealt with not having to redo the filming later AND it was funny enough to be kept in
I really wouldn't be surprised if he announces he'll direct something before he fully retires, he honestly has a better feel for how films should play out than most people he's worked under.
He only agreed to return to Star Wars if Solo died, for example.

>>93316674
I was grappling before being officially taught. Though who knows. I half suspect I watched others too closely before that and picked it up that way. Being officially taught did help me be safe and make sure I didn't cripple anyone. Somehow I managed not to seriously injure anyone before then.

Never found out who, but someone would go around telling the local minorities I was spouting racial slurs. I knew I couldn't throw a punch worth shit,
but I could still lay people out. When that stopped working, actual athletes started coming, but most had the good sense to back down when they realize I had no idea what was going on.

>>93316788
When they ended the series allowing the movies and the next generation of ninjas to take up the reins.