>One of the oldest capeshit characters >still has no lore

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>>93231003
>no lore
Have you even read a Sub-Mariner comic?

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>>93231003
Arthur is better

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>>93231212

>>93231212
Yes. He has no lore.

Compare him to Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Captain America, Iron Man, Spider-Man, or honestly, almost any other character. Aquaman has more than him.

And Byrne's Sub-Marine is easily his worse work.

>>93231003
>movie never

>>93231311
Going by his comics, maybe it is a blessing.

>>93231281
>WW
>Iron Man
>lore
haha,no

>>93231336
WW has the Greek pantheon.

>>93231336
Yes, they have. Even more compared to Namor.

>>93231003
>>One of the oldest capeshit characters
>>still has no lore
>>his ongoings are all bad
>>only one GN worth reading
>>people unironically name "New Avengers" as his best book.

How to tell OP has not read comics in five points.

>>93231410
>le "y-you didn't read comics" rebuttal

>>93231336
>iron man

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>>93231281
>I don't like his lore and there isn't enough
>That means there's no lore

>>93232152
Name ten "Namor characters".

>>93231311
He is a public domain character. Marvel can't make money with him so they might as well leave the Cuckinator out of the MCU. No blonde haired woman is safe from his fish dick.

>>93231212
there aren't any, anon

when was the last time this gay fuck even had a solo? did he ever? it's been so long

>>93232238
Winston Perkins
Chadwyck Blaine
Chealsea Healey
Namorita
Adrianna Wellington
Abe Simmons
Natasha Brown
Amanda Turk
Shahid Agar Ali
Deirdre Jackson

done

>>93232358
His last ongoing was the shitty Byrne run, 1990.

Since then he only had shitty miniseries and "The Depth", AKA his only good story.

>>93231003
His rights are all screwed up due to the Universal deal.

Can't make a movie out of him because Universal has exclusive non-expiring distribution rights, television rights and they still have the video game rights.

>>93232384
All of them added up are less famous and have less story than Jimmy Olsen.

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>>93232448
That's because all of those except Namorita are entirely made up

>>93232468
I suspected.

Google them and nothing related to Marvel will appear.

Namor only has fucking Namorita and irrelevant blue retards as "characters".

I get the feeling OP really fucking hates Namor.

>>93232741
I don't hate him. I just find unusual that a character this old can have so little story of his own.

I actually read his ongoings and miniseries. because Namorfags don't shut up about how magnificent the character is. Well, after reading so much shit, I can honestly say that they like a shit character.

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>>93232803
He has story, you are just purposely ignoring it.

>>93232803
Not every character has to be written to your liking.

>>93231212
there is a sub-mariner read list?

>>93233067
Well, if Namor fans are into bad stories, more power to them, I guess.

They have a lot of those to read.

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>>93233085
I am kinda hoping someone has one, I actually ready most of the Byrne Run, The Defenders and his appearances in X-Men Etc. Was going to start on Jae Lee's run of Namor later.

>>93233408
Bad FOR YOU. Stop being an entitled dipshit.

>>93231232
Well yeah. Everyone knows that.

>>93233468
How many retcons did he have to go through to get good?

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I love the slice of life romance comics from 2004

super comfy read.

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>>93233085
>>93233427

ENJOY.

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>>93233522
Thank you Anon.

>>93231003
>wearing nothing but swimming trunks
>spends a lot of time around water
>constantly looks like he's been dipped in oil
>has a stupid catchphrase
>main attribute is being "the alpha male"
Are you really that surprised that nobody takes him seriously

Cmon. The only people who like Namor are low test faggots who try to compensate by thinking they're just like namor

>>93233522
>only one book is his

Haha, shit character indeed. This is pathetic.

>>93233734
Did a Namor fan molest you?

>>93231003

I guess it's appropriate for an ocean-based character to get his own bait thread. Well played OP.

>>93234133
>Namor fans can't even name ten Namor characters
>Namor fans can't even include more than one story oh his own in its recommended list
> s-stop the bait!

Sure, anon. He totally has a rich lore.

>>93233734
>>93234281
you guys are being retarded, it is just like someone said: haha cyclops is shit because he doesnt have an ongoing comic, ahha, what a loser.

even tho cyclops is shit because other reasons.

>>93231003

Why does this Vegeta looking mother trucker have wings on his feet?

>>93234505
Cyclops has characterization beyond screaming RETARDUS REX, and is also a central character of almost everything involving X-Men.

Namor is nothing. But at least you agreed that yes,he has no lore.

>>93231311
He'd make for a cool Fantastic Four movie.
>Namore comes to the surface demanding war
>Believes that American subs have attacked his kingdom, and broken a long and secret treaty between the surface nations and Atlantis
>Meanwhile the American military claims that an unknown assailant stole a sub, killed the crew, and utilized the weapons
>Namor begins to attack New York with his monsters, and the FF fight back until facing Namor
>Reed finally convinces Namor that the surface world was framed, and they go to Atlantis to find out who caused the attack
>The attacker is Attuma, leader of a far more primal and shunned group of ancient Atlantians believed to have been dead for centuries
>Attuma is accompanied by Krang, an Atlantian who despises Namor and has given Attuma the secrets to the empire's security
>FF and Namor fight Attuma and his army and re-balance the truce
>Reed wonders where Attuma got high tech weaponry from
>End credits show that Doom provided the weapons in a bid to have Attuma control Atlantis, and then manipulate Attuma

>>93232339
Thats not how the public domain works you fucking moron.

>>93234618
>Cyclops has characterization beyond screaming RETARDUS REX

yeh yeh he sure he does, he screams JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAN

>and is also a central character of almost everything involving X-Men.

another bad thing.

Namor is member of the Avengers, Defenders, Invaders, he is king and much more shit.

>>93234746
And yet he has no good story, no lore, no characterization and his fans like him because he is a weak's man idea of an"alpha male".

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>>93231440
It's more of "you haven't read c character's comics" considering it's kinda important since that's why we're all here. You weenis,pic unrelated

>>93234574
He needs his feet-wings to fly.

Needless to say, his fans think that it is manly as fuck.

>>93234683
>Thats not how the public domain works
>People can make toys of him without a licence from Marvel
>Anyone can use his image to do whatever they want

So basically it means that Marvel doesn't want to touch him since they won't have full control over him. IP is very lucrative since it gives you the power to oversee everything involving that character.

>>93232238
Attuma
Byrrah
Krang
Orka
Headhunter
Tigershark
Fen
Dorma
Llyra
Vyrra
Doctor Dorcas
Namora
Namorita

>>93231232
No one gives a shit about Aquaman, but without him you wouldn't have the real draws Black Manta and Mera.

>>93235030
Mother fucker that doesnt mean they CANT make a profit off him, it just means that others can make profits off him.

And thats forgetting that the current Marvel iteration of Namor is not necessarily public domain. his current costume, any supporting characters like Namorita, Atlantis itself, are not alongside him.

Public Domain Namor is a "Sub-Mariner" who fucked up some dudes, and thats it, thats the extent of it.

Even THEN, being public domain wouldnt prevent them from making a profit off him.

>>93235065
Strong supporting cast. I'm prerty sure you didn't even use google to find out about them.

My favorite is Namor's Pal Fen. Some kickass stories this guy have.

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>>93235065
>Namora
>Namorita

>>93235101
A few problems there. Toys make a huge portion of the profit for Marvel and its movies. You know why Pixar keeps making Cars movies? Its because of the amount of money the toys make. Now take into account the amount of money other companies stand to make if they COULD make off brand or slightly cheaper toys. Kids wouldn't fucking care and parents would buy that shit instead.

Current Namor isn't a big of a name to warrant a spot in the MCU. He would be a minor character at least but nothing more. I wouldn't see kids or teenagers running out to buy Namor posters because of a minor role in a Avengers film.

This is a big problem especially since Marvel is trying its best to starve the other franchises it doesn't own from its current games roster and other media. The appeal of Namor is equal to the Inhumans. The only difference is the Inhumans are owned totally by Marvel. Which is why its much easier to see them in any kind of media other than the comics.

>>93235150
kek'd

I honestly dig some of Namor's villains. Attuma is an underrated villain, and I've always liked Tiger Shark.

>>93235065
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA LOOK AT THIS SHIT

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>>93235065
>Doctor Dorcas

>>93235261
Idiot, read again.

The Public Domain Namor is a man in a speedo who has no history and is unrelated from Atlantis. Everything about the modern Namor is exclusively owned by Marvel. None of that is a problem.

If companies made toys of the movie Namors design it would be breaking copyright law because that Namor and that Namors design is owned by Marvel.

Please, before you reply to me again, think for a second about Thor, then shut the fuck up.

>>93235101
>And thats forgetting that the current Marvel iteration of Namor is not necessarily public domain. his current costume, any supporting characters like Namorita, Atlantis itself, are not alongside him.

He's not public domain in any way. Marvel has gotten copyright extensions on all their golden age characters and now that Disney owns Marvel they will keep getting them indefinitely.

That anon has no idea what he's talking about.

>>93235342
The only thing i can think of that supports him is his original appearance is public domain, but by that same token all of the Marvel family (DC, the Shazam dudes) are in and even first appeared in now public domain works.

Thor is one of the most well known public domain characters and he's starred in 3 movies besides the Avengers films.

>>93235261
>Current Namor isn't a big of a name to warrant a spot in the MCU.
Guardians of the Galaxy wasnt either.

>>93235333
> The Public Domain Namor is a man in a speedo who has no history
Not much has changed.

>>93235438
Cheeky boi you.

>>93235150
Why would I need to google those they're his villains, his mom, his wife, and his cousins, I'd be a piss poor marvel guy if I didn't know those. Hell I didn't add Marrina because even though sure was married to Nmaor she's more of alpha flight.

>>93232238
Namor
Namorita
Roman, Namor's evil Clone
Dr. Zunk
James Anders
The Creature from Beyond the Deep
Stud Hanson
Bud Hanson
Namor II
Namor Jr.

>>93234660
>The exact plot of Justice League: Throne of Atlantis

>>93235375

Yes and no. It's complicated with Namor, but right now the situation is this:

The court could not find any evidence that Motion Pictures Funnies Weekly #1 which contained the first half of the first Namor story was ever actually published. The only extant copies are the publisher copies that were kept by former Funnies Inc sales manager Frank Torpey. There have been rumors of the issue actually being handed out in theatres (which was the plan) but there's no proof, and no "customer owner" copy has ever manifested. As such, the first comic that was actually published with Namor in it was Marvel Comics #1, which was a comic done as work for hire for Martin Goodman's not-quite-Marvel comic.

Now here's where it gets really skeevy. Funnies Inc retained rights to their characters at the start, according to Goodman's first editor in chief Joe Simon. But Goodman quickly figured out that he was making a lot of money off Marvel (Mystery) Comics and he could make even more if he actually owned all of it and could freely produce more comics with the Torch and Namor without the input of Funnies Inc. So he ordered Simon to start putting pressure on the workshop in 1940, demanding they produce stories faster, do more pages, and CONSTANTLY sending pages back for revision, slowly eroding the financial gain per page for Funnies Inc. The tactic eventually worked, and Funnies Inc signed over ALL rights to their works, past and present to Martin Goodman, who proceeded to exploit Namor and the Torch especially, since they were the two big sellers. So in pure legal terms, Martin Goodman owned all of the Marvel Mystery character gallery, and he later signed it over to Marvel as a corporation. Meaning people like Bill Everett and Carl Burgos' heirs are totally out in the cold for any hope of getting money from those creations. And it gets extra funny when you consider that nowadays Joe Simon's own heirs have tried to get rights back to Captain America who Simon himself created

>>93235612
Is it? I actually never watched it.

But to be fair, I heard that movie sucked, so doing the story right, especially with a Kirby flare, doesn't seem like a bad idea.

>public domain

Copyright of work for hire is 95 years, Namor was first published in 1939 so that wouldn't expire until 2034 at earliest.

Or if they did a court case and recognized Bill Everett as his creator copyright on his comics would last for 70 years after Everett's death. He died in 1973 so that would make the earliest possible year for Namor to become public domain 2043.

>>93235665
I think he's talking about the comic story, which was much different than the animated adaptarion.

>>93235100
i care about aquaman

>>93231336
>extremis
>armor wars
>civil war
>director of SHIELD
>demon in a bottle
negra what?

>>93236438
I do, too.

Black Manta alone is better than anything else that Namor had to offer.

If anyone disagree, take a look at the terrible Namor recommended list. Guy literally had only one good story in all these decades.

>>93237286
Seriously, were you slighted by a Namor fan?

>>93237350
Why do YOU like Namor? A Namor fan molested you?

You sure as hell don't like him for his stories. You sure as hell don't like him for his supporting cast. You sure as hell don't like him for his character development. So, what gives?

>>93231413
This is something I could see him doing today, too.

>>93238673
It's not your fault.

>>93233507
I fucking loved this series

>>93231003
>people unironically name "New Avengers" as his best book.
They do?!

>>93240326
No. I think OP just got into a dumb argument with someone about Namor and it so ass blasted he had to bitch here.

>>93240326
>>93241503
2 minutes of Google

https://archived.moe/co/thread/92258619/

Get fucked, Namorfag. Enjoy your shit stories.

>>93241857
Something is wrong with you.

>>93241888
Something is wrong with characters that have "New Avengers" as their best story.

>>93241927
Do you not see how upset you're getting over people enjoying a character?

>>93241978
I am posting messages on a forum. You don't need to be upset to do that.

I am saying that certain character has very shitty stories, his fans like him for reasons that are more than a little homosexual (either because they find him hot or because they think his attitude is "alpha"), his character will probably never go beyond "Imperius Rex!!1!", and I am very cool about it.

>>93232420
>Can't make a movie out of him because Universal has exclusive non-expiring distribution rights

What the fuck. Shit like this makes me think licensing was a mistake.

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>>93242038
So it basically boils down to 'I don't like this thing, so no one else should like it either'.

>>93242550
Yes, basically. Isn't always like this? Is it different when Namor fans talk shit about Aquaman?

None of what I said is untrue, though. The homosexual part is spot on.

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Remember when Namor fought a topless mermaid?

>>93242722
>Is it different when Namor fans talk shit about Aquaman?
When the fuck does that happen?
>The homosexual part is projection.
ftfy

>>93242722
Every one talks shit about Aquaman, blame DC for making him look like such a faggot in those old super friends cartoons. That shit led to a whole generation of people thinking that Aquaman was joke, and that's never going to go away because the majority never reads the comics so they don't know anything about him beyond being the guy who talks to fish.

>>93242872
>making him look like such a faggot
As opposed to the guy in green tight swimsuit and feet-wings?

Arthur at least has stories of his own. Imagine if his best stories were "JLA".

Speaking of old capeshit, does the original human torch has good stories?

>>93243002
From the old comics, or from his most recent appearances?

>>93243196
Both

>>93242744
No, when was this?

>>93243002
Just check out anything James Robinson writes. He's bound to show up.

>>93246067
Starman?

Fuck OP, the more important debate is:
Nay-Mor, or Nah-Mor?

>>93246286
Aha I mean by Marvel of course.

>>93246313
I pronounce it Nah-Mer

>>93231003
>No lore
>the human torch vs namor, the namor conquers the earth
let's also forget about stingray, tiger shark

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>>93231281
I have a good mood today, so I only tell you to read pic related for starters

He has a lore, maybe it's not a legendary lore or as classic as others, but he certainly has one.
It's marvel's fault that they don't promote him much.

Also, read Byrne's Namor

>>93236488
Good question. What is this shit
Only demon in a bottle is well known

>>93233035
I miss the Namor as an X-Man.....
When he will be an x-man again?

>>93233522
Why no Byrne's series?

>>93233965
His mother probably got imperius sexed by Namor

>>93234574
Because he was the First character to fly in comic book movies, and back then people thought that you cannot fly without wings

>>93232238
Attuma
Roman
Namora II
Namora
Namorita
Jackie Chan
Jackie Chan II
Jackie Chan III: Little Trouble in Big China

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Namor is literally the best at everything, and if you don't like him you're nothing but a filthy invading jap.

Also, he's Clint Eastwoods' favourite superhero.

>>93247117
Hopefull never.

>>93242917
You can thank Peter "Burn the Gypsy, before he gets Tipsy" David for that

>>93247237
Why? He finally became relevant, when he was part of X-Men family

>>93235640
A man of class and taste

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>>93233666
Imperius Rex is a fucking great catchphrase you mongoloid.

>>93246313
The first one

anyone have that page where he gets sent an anonymous package with a drink in it and he drinks it before reading the note which says that it's some sort of poison

>>93246313
Definitely Nay-Mor

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>>93247672
nvm found it

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>>93244596
The 80's.

>>93231336
>i havent read an iron man comic ever
You sound like op

>>93247062
Even hipsters know those five. By name obvioisly. I'd add five nightmares since that's also often mentioned.

>>93248126
The thing is, pretending like it's some "lore" is laughable. The only IM's Lore is Demon in a bottle. The rest are forgettable

>>93248232
Namoe one Namor story better known than Extremis.

I will wait.

>>93248232
What's your definition of lore? Because it makes no sense that dib is and the rest isn't

>forgettable
Just because it isnt muh graphic novel written by muh moore/gaiman/morrison that's heavily promoted doesn't mean its forgettable. If you dont like im that's fine but dont be a retard about it.

>>93248397
>popularity=quality
You're as retarded as him

>>93248397
The Depth
Namor vs Human Torch

>>93248440
>What's your definition of lore? Because it makes no sense that dib is and the rest isn't
That's the thing. Someone says Namor doesn't have lore, and I say Iron Man doesn't have lore.
The thread sucks, so I don't feel like I should put any effort into an actual discussion

Namor - The First Avenger, The First Mutant, The First Anti-Hero, The First Flying Hero, The First Marvel Character, in the First Marvel Comic.

>>93248462
>That's the thing. Someone says Namor doesn't have lore, and I say Iron Man doesn't have lore.
If you want to counterargue op just say namor has lore, saying an unrelated charactwr has no lore is not only a lie but also if it were true it wouldnt prove your point right.

And i'm not even disagreeing about namor here.

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>>93247201
I thought Clint Eastwood's favorite superhero was Jotaro Kujo, though.

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>>93248491
The first

>>93247845
...how did he manage to exist for so many decades?

>>93248504
I agree. The thing is, if the point of this thread is to shit on a character, because... reasons, than I don't feel like I should put an effort either

>>93248447
None of them is more well-known than Extremis.

Extremis might be more famous than Namor itself.

>>93248594
Uh-huh. The only reason people heard of Extremis (instead of reading it) is because Warren Ellis. If it was written by someone else, nobody would ever hear about this story.

>>93248594
I don't remember anyone ever discussing extremis. It has an artificial popularity boosted by Ellisfags, just like New X-Men is artificially praised by Morrisonfags, despite being a cringe-tier read with horrible art

>>93231232
This is true.

>>93248551
Man up, Namorfag. How about prove that he has an amazing lore?

If the Namorfags themselves can't even reccomen more than one story of his, then it is hard to argue.

>>93248706
Nobody denies that

>>93248727
Why do you call me a namorfag?
Are you retarded? I just enjoy your butthurt and insecurity.

>>93248690
>New X-Men is artificially praised by Morrisonfags, despite being a cringe-tier read with horrible art
Millar pls

>>93248764
>Millar pls
I take it as a compliment

>>93248791
>mistaking Miller with Millar
lol

>>93248690
>talking shit about Ellis
>talking shit about Morrison
>is a Namorfag
Lel

No wonder Namor has no good story.

>>93248829
calm down, Namorfag

>>93248820
Well, if you enjoy having cancer...

>>93248760
>liking a character because he is a poor man's "alpha male"
>"y-you're insecure!1!"
Heh.

>>93248904
>implying

>>93248546
superior halfbreed genetics

>>93248865
>the rebuttal of a Namorfag

>>93249138
>closet Namorfag

Define lore

>autists calling themselves Namorfags to insult
Damn, I think I should be a Namorfag.

>>93249210
No, fuck off.

>>93249210
Don't. It means that you like a character for shallow reasons.

>>93249338
Like waifufags?

>>93249413
Yes. But your waifu is a fish man with feet wings. Hardly the best material.

>>93249536
better fish man, than a vagina smelling like fish

>>93231281
>Wonder Woman
She has no lore. its entirely ripped off from greek mythology until its something they want to change then they go, well its not exactly greek mythology its so lazy

>>93249627
She still has more lore than Namor.

>>93249627;
Still better than "Atlantis with blue retards".

>>93249727
>>93249744
at least don't samefag, you stupid Namorfag

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>>93249867
>if more than one person don't like le alpha male with shitty stories, than it is one person samefagging
Spoken like a true Namorfag.

>>93249895
Nice photoshop, Namorfag

>>93249192
Stories that I like.

>>93231281
you mean, compared to the A-listers? of course he has less lore than Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man.

>>93249919
>Not liking alpha male stories
Get a load of that namorfag

>>93232448
Jimmy Olsen is fucking big league, dude. Darkseid started out in his book!

>>93250007
Namor is a poor man's alpha male.

You should like characters for they stories instead of reasons that are homosexual at its core.

>>93250119
You will not tell me what I can like or not, namorfag

>>93250147
But I can mock you for liking a character for homosexual reasons.

>>93250199
Stop mocking me, you namorfag!

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>>93242550
>>93242038
This is pretty much everything I am getting from this thread.

>If you like someone I do not like, then there is something actually wrong with you and you have problems!

And using the concept that he is really old as Superman but not commercially successful as Superman to be the justification behind it all. There are lots of characters invented in the 40's no one gave much of a shit about.

Should we languish over Hourman also not being fucking huge and one of the trinity too because his side characters are not as known as Jimmy Olson?


Personally I just wish they would go ahead and make Namor the Avengers team asshole and be done with it. He can be their backup brick and the annoying guy who picks fights for no reason since everyone needs one of those to keep things interesting.

>>93250233
>the rebuttal of a Namorfag

>>93231232
linea/

>>93250312
> Personally I just wish they would go ahead and make Namor the Avengers team asshole and be done with it. He can be their backup brick and the annoying guy who picks fights for no reason since everyone needs one of those to keep things interesting.
He already is this. He will never be more than this.ecades of existence, and he will never go beyond this. Why should anyone like it.

Also, Hourman fans doesn't try to prove that he has an amzing lore.

>>93250548
It's just weird you and others spend so much time arguing with people for liking something you don't.
This thread is bizarre.

>>93250924
Is it more weird than liking a character for gay reasons?

At least I don't excuse shitty stories because "THIS CHARACTER IS ALPHA!".

>>93251032
You're protecting an awful lot there.

>>93251233
Clearly not, since I don't like shitty stories nor do I think that being "le alpha" makes a good character.

I'm not a Namor fan to do these things.

>>93251354
If you're reading cape shit than you obviously enjoy shitty stories, what you need to do is learn how to not be a 'stop liking what I don't like' faggot. Because all that you're doing is embarrassing yourself, and projecting your homolust on everyone else.

>>93252045
>all capeshit comics are Namor levels of shit
Nope. We all know this isn't true.

This is like saying that every movie is "The Room".

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His Golden Age stuff holds up
Lee/Kirby stuff is Lee/Kirby so....
Stern Avengers is good
People like him in Gillen X-Men
He's also just around a lot

>>93231336
Putting aside lore = normie knowing it. Iron Man always had the being kidnapped and having to make big suit out of scraps bit going for him. His friends and cast was fairly consistent too.

Namor is pretty much angry aquaman who purpose is to pop up and punch shit in a hulk like fashion. There is just no real back story beyond that which makes makes it from story to story.

>>93252506
No, Aquaman is just nice guy Namor. What with Aquaman being the ripoff and everything.

>>93232803
As a Namor fan, he has good stories, just basically none in his solo books. He's great in shit like Invaders and Defenders though.

>>93250548
He never sticks around longer than a few issues. I want him to just be a longtime member that hangs on for several years.

>>93248656
Come on now, the only reason anyone heard of extremis is because it was brought up in Iron Man 3.

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So wait, for anyone to like a comic character. that character is REQUIRED to have tons of major mainstream books that are super well known in the public eye and have at least 2-3 movies and a tv series under their belt? Or else no one is allowed to be a fan?

Is that what we are getting from this thread?

Because that really sounds like a die-hard trendy casual Bat-fag argument if I ever heard one.

>>93253931
>company wars
Nice desperation, bro.

>>93253890
The only reason is because it is a much larger more important story from a character that is a cornerstone of the company.

Namor could never compete and trying to wmaintain the homoerotic hero angle is not getting them anywhere.

>>93253742
If he has nothing solo then he has nothing that counts.

>>93253931
>a good character should at least have good stories
>HE HAS TO HAVE SIX SEASONS AND A MOVIE, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?

>>93254079
We get it, you want to suck dick but you;re too far in the closet to come out and do it, you don't have to project so much on everyone else to feel better about yourself.

>>93254293
Look man, there is no point in denying Namor's homoerotic appeal.

Every damn time I saw someone on /co/ explaining why they like Namor, it is either "he is husbando" or "he is alpha". You can't make this shit up!

Never because of his stories. Never.

I actually got into the character because I used to read New Warriors and I liked Namorita. Then looking into some more of her stuff I found the early 90's Namor series.

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>>93254433
I know this might be hard to believe but there ARE females perusing the board...who the hell do you think fills out those Voltron/SU threads?

>>93244596
Right now >>93254849, well actually it's in issue 4 but you get my drift.

>>93254772
He would still be liked for reasons totally unrelated to quality, even if all of his fans were women (which is hard to believe).

Are you a woman or just a homoerotic kinda guy?

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>>93254897
Female, and I first found Namor in Byrne's Run, granted not the best stories, but Namorita and The Alexanders, plus the return of Spitfire, were entertaining enough. Imagine my surprise when I discovered he came before Aquaman, and was the first flying superhero. Looked up and purchased what I could get of his appearances. He was unabashedly arrogant and made no apologies about it, while still caring for his family and people and doing right by them. He has remained largely unchanged, but I do have a guilty pleasure for those Parallel Universe What If stories.

>>93255116
Even you admit that his stories aren't good.
Even you admit that his character never went beyond "generic asshole".
Even you admit that you like him because he is "le alpha".
Basically, exactly what I have been saying in this thread.
I think that, to be good, a character needs good stories and good character development. You don't.
You like Namor. I don't.
See? Everything makes sense.

>>93238673
He's a fantastic supporting character.

>>93255675
Yeah, stoic assholes are really rare in comic books.

>>93255719
And raging neckbeard assholes aren't rare in comic book stores. Doesn't stop your mom from loving you.

>>93255806
Sick burn, Namorfag. As intense as his best stories.

>here are some good stories about Namor
>NO THOSE DON'T COUNT, THE COMIC NEEDS TO HAVE HIS NAME ON IT
Fuck off retard. If it's a story about Namor then it's a story about Namor.

>>93255901
At least my idea of an insult is more than adding "fag" to nouns.

>>93256119
"New Avengers" isn't a story about Namor and yet is among his greatest hits according to his fans.
>>93256123
"fag" has more lore than Namor.

>>93256166
That's kind of dishonest. There were arcs and issues told expressly from his view and he and black panther shared one of the biggest arcs in New Avengers. He was definitely Black Panther's antagonist throughout that book.

>>93256243
The first arc and issues are heavily focused on Captain America and people would hardly say that the book is among his best stories.

This is like counting JLA for Kyle Rayner.

>>93256166
Namor is a main character in it. Isn't that enough? Why does the story need all the events in it to completely revolve about a character and can not just be about the character and his actions in said events and his interactions with other characters?
>>93256306
Maybe because it didn't do a good job with Capt. America and that's why people don't consider it a good Capt. America story? I haven't read New Avengers but I heard they treated Capt. America like shit in it. Dunno if anyone can confirm this. Either way there's a difference between a story being good and a story being a good story about a specific character that appeared in it. We've all seen comics where a character is a main character but gets the shaft storywise.

>>93256306
I don't believe anyone's said it's exclusively a Namor story.

>>93233493
None. OG Aquaman was plenty interesting. Was the result of weird science shit, bagged a bitch from another dimension, became king of atlantis, etc

Though I prefer the half breed origin myself.

>>93256598
>Namor is a main character in it. Isn't that enough?
Nope.

First, it isn't a story about him, it is a story where he is in.

And second, it isn't even a fucking great story to begin with. If New Avengers is among the best he has to offer, then his situation is terrible.

>>93257603
I think the problem here is that you're taking the opinion of some random anons here too seriously

>>93257701
It is part of his essential list. It is hardly "random anons". Namor fans, in general, think it is one of his best stories, even if the story isn't his or if the story isn't great at all.

>>93246313
It's pronounced Nuhmore.

>>93235261
>The appeal of Namor is equal to the Inhumans

This is blatantly false. While Namor doesn't have many fans he has SOME fans.

Inhumans have NO fans. The most recognition the Inhuman ever get is "Black Bolt's alright I guess."

>>93258106
I liked that one Kingdom Come-like costume of Black Bolt's.

Honestly, Black Bolt is an interesting idea in a mediocre lore. He'd work better if they played up the medieval-esque politics stuff more.

AND IF THEY'D STOP KEKING HIM.

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>>93231003
Namor is my favourite comic character ever. This thread makes me sad :c

>>93238673

I don't give half a shit about Namor as a main character. If I want to read about an aquatic superhero I'll read Aquaman comics.

However, I adore Namor as a supporting character. He's great with the Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom. He great with the Defenders and Invaders. He's great with the X-Men.

A character doesn't need to be in the spotlight or the main character for said character to be good.

>>93257794
Well the thing is a story can be a good story for a certain character even if the story itself isn't good. A Namor rec list would be for people wanting to see Namor do things, and guess what, he does things in New Avengers, the story in general is mediocre but the parts with Namor will satisfy anyone looking for Namor action. Doesn't matter whether the comic has his name or if the story revolves about him, he does things in it and that's what Namor fans want to see. This is of course if his character is handled well in whatever comic he showed up in.
Same goes for any other character, if a character shows up as a one off guest in some comic, fans of said character will probably check out that issue or issues despite not caring about whatever series it is in, especially if it's a character that doesn't get a lot of panel time. And that's kinda how Marvel has handled Namor's character, they may not give him a lot of solo ongoings but he sure shows up in various comics. I'm glad he isn't as forgotten as some other old ass heroes.

>>93258258
He's a pretty good bad guy/antihero, too

>>93258605

Not disagreeing with you, though that doesn't mean he works best as a supporting character. Antagonists are by definition supporting characters. The Iliad is about the Rage of Achilles not Hector's mistake.

>>93258653
You don't have to invoke Greek classics. It is just Namor, you know, "imperious rex", "uh sue I will bang u", and all that. Nothing impressive.

>>93258692

I was using the Iliad as it's the fucking corner stone of western literature, and helps define the protagonist/antagonist relationship.

I have been saying that Namor works well as a supporting character. The Namor-hater who starting this thread has been saying that Namor sucks because his own stories aren't very good.

Here's another character who by that definition sucks too: Alfred Pennyworth. His ongoings are shitty, where's his great story? Why does all of his stuff happen in Batman books not Alfred books?

As I said earlier I don't really care for Namor solo books, Aquaman works better for me as an aquatic superhero. But I do enjoy Namor as a supporting character, and most people like him in that role too.

>>93258876
>Here's another character who by that definition sucks too: Alfred Pennyworth
Alfred wasn't THE FIRST like Namor fans like to remember. Alfred is a supporting character created to be a supporting character (THE supporting character, one might say).

Namor was supposed to be big. He wasn't created to be a supporting character, he was created to be a protagonist. He failed. And it is strange seeing that Aquaman ended up having more lore built around him than Namor.

>>93231311
They could debut him in a MCU Defenders movie with Strange and Hulk

>>93259040
>He failed.

Necessity is the mother of innovation. Saying he "failed" because he's been put in a supporting role since Fantastic Four #4 was not only the return of the character during the Silver Age it also gave the character a new angle which works better for him.

Also within the history of comics Namor has important aspects of being both the first Marvel superhero and being the first flying superhero. Whether you care about those aspects of Namor or not doesn't matter: they're objectively true things and hold relevance in the history of comics. If you disagree with them it would be like saying that George Washington sucks and pretending he wasn't the first president of the United States. While you can be critical of George Washington you can't deny that he was the first president of the United States.

>>93259227

Also I believe he was in the first crossover with Golden Age Human Torch.

>>93259227
>a new angle which works better for him.
How much has he grown as a character since FF #4? How much has he changed? Isn't he the same damn one-dimensional dick, unable to be developed? Is that the best he can do?

So, he is important because he was THE FIRST, but he hasn't good stories of his own because he is not important enough?

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>>93231232
This.

He is more than "Angry Fish Man", his romances are more than "The writer is using me to cause conflict between a well-established couple", and he has actual good stories.

Namor died one year ago and nobody gave a fuck. Then he came back and nobody gave a fuck. What a character!

>>93259620
Yep’ Aquaman has transversed past the point of mimicry’ while yes he was a knockoff he’s surpassed the original in every way’ his stories are better his problems are more grounded and Aquaman growing out of the justice league and telling them to fuck off in kingdom come was the best s eventual character arc is great