So wait a sec... What happened with past Jack who was send by

>>93230218
He had a show that lasted 5 seasons

>>93230218
Branching timeline I guess?

>>93230218
Is /co/ full of idiots?
That was the SAME Jack.

>>93230267
but Aku got killed so that Jack get different future

>>93230218
the change, Jack and Ashi emerging from the time portal, happened AFTER Jack was thrown into it, Jack has a single existence stream.

>>93230312
Yes, and?

>>93230340
so what the fuck is that jack going to do in a hopefully more peaceful future

>>93230364
Nothing, he's the Jack who came back from the bad future before it changed. He was never sent to the good future.

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>>93230378
no because as we know timeline fixes itself so when Aku was killed then Jack was send into the future where there is no Aku

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>>93230378
Not the quoted guy, but pay attention:
That jack got sent into the future, right? But Aku died imediatly after Jack got sent into the future. Which means the future has no Aku, so he was sent into a future where there is no Aku. If Aku died imediatly after sending Jack into the future, the future has no Aku.

God this shit again?

>>93230521
of course, spergs will keep doing shit till they get the answer that satisfies them, their autism prevents accepting the logical answer so they are caught in an endless loop.
this is why it's important to beat them when they are young.

>>93230453
>>93230487
This is how it works:
Jack is sent to the future by aku, has five seasons worth of adventures, comes back to the past again with Ashi and kills Aku. Killing Aku erases the future he went through, meaning both he and Ashi are now paradoxes and will be erased by time itself. This happens to Ashi, but Jack (on whom time has lost all effect) is immune.

>>93230487
he when to the future and came back BEFORE the future was changed dumb ass.

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>>93230487
>Jack's sent to the future
>no Aku, no problem
>but then there's no logical justification for him to return with Ashi to strike that final blow in the past, so there IS a future that is Aku from Past Jack's POV
>until Jack eventually does comes back to the past later in his own timeline, and then there isn't from his future self's POV
The show's time travel rules are imperfect, but since it's only actually been done with Aku magic I try to write it off as "ain't got to explain shit", at least in this particular circumstance. This wouldn't have been as much of a problem if Ashi didn't disappear, and confirmed Jack simply created an alternate timeline, but I guess the writers just wanted to have their cake and eat it too with the whole "undo the future that is Aku" thing, which wouldn't really mean anything if they just escaped the bad end timeline instead of saving it.

>>93230453
>>93230487
The Jack we saw get sent to the future had ALREADY come back before the timeline change.

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>>93230218
NOBODY HAD THIS KIND OF AUTISM WHEN EGO TRIP DID IT.

Dexter even lampshaded how Time Travel doesn't make sense.

Fucking relax, autists.

>>93230635
How is Jack a paradox because of that? Only his memory could potentially be affected, otherwise he belongs in the past he went back to.

>>93230635
>but Jack (on whom time has lost all effect) is immune.
no, jack is in his appropriate time. So when the aku future was erased he was unaffected.

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Same thing that happens with King Crimson in JoJo

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Lets assume that there is one minute between young Jack going to the future and Aku's death. There is a possibility of the bad future in that one minute. But older Jack comes back and kills Aku thus it means he returns from that possible timeline to his original timeline. And when Aku died bad future possible timeline died as well and it caused the death of Ashi. But Jack was already from the original timeline and he came back before that possiblity became impossible. I think this is how it works.

>>93230684
He went to a future that didn't happen. That's a textbook paradox.

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Basically, after the bad timeline, Ashi loops him right back to the fight, causing the good timeline.

Because Jack was technically the cause of the bad timeline, when he is brought back, so is the timeline to the split of when it happened.


Pic related is a crude drawing of what Im trying to convey

I can't believe adults are confused by this.

Jack was sent into the future, where the entire show takes place, and the Jack that appears right after is the SAME PERSON who then vanquishes Aku. Jack stayed in the past so that's it. There's no branching timelines or anything.

>>93230779
No, he went to a future that happened but was later changed. Very different.

>>93230840
He still experienced a future that never happened though.

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>>93230218
>What happened with past Jack who was send by Aku to the future before future Jack came back in and killed Aku?

>>93230853
But it did happen because it was a future where Aku lives. It was a real future, but Jack caused reality to change by killing Aku. It doesn't change the fact that Jack went to the future for 50 years and then returned.

There would be a time paradox if Jack had gone back before he had been sent to the future. If he had killed Aku before he had encountered him the first time, then Jack would've never been sent to the future so he would disappear. But because he fixed the timeline by appearing right after he was sent to the future it means that everything Jack experienced did happen. Jack just changed the future so they wouldn't happen, he was sent to a real future but it only exists in his memory now.

>>93230680
Perhaps because it lampshaded how time travel doesn't make sense. Treat it seriously, and people will react to it seriously

>>93230947
It never happened because Ashi was erased. If it had happened she wouldn't have been deleted

His killing Aku in the past erased his effect on the future, as we see from Ashi disappearing. Her taking so long to vanish can only imply the paradox correction process takes an extended time.

Furthermore, since Aku never lived long enough to dominate and take over the world, the future Jack was sent to technically does not exist, so that entire phase of his life could not have happened.

Taking all this into account, we can only assume reality rewrote itself in such a way to allow Jack to exist and return to defeat Aku, yet not in such a way to allow Ashi to continue existing.

The most logical conclusion we can draw from this is that Jack's experience was entirely rewritten: Aku's initial spell did send him to the future, but it was a pleasant, Aku-free future. In this alternate future he found some means of returning to the past (perhaps by the now intact guardian portal, thus explaining his battle-damaged state on return and closing up the plothole left by the version of events we were shown) and slayed Aku.

What we see in the ladybug scene is whatever force that erased Ashi finally caught up to Jack and rewrote his memories, thus at that point he recalls this pleasant alternate future where everything is well, causing him to realize there is nothing to be upset about and allowing him to move on with his life.

The ladybug itself is used as symbolism for starting over; it was used for Ashi to signify that the knowledge and experiences of her past were a lie, and is again used for Jack upon his revelation that the future he experienced was also a lie, and on a third meta level it was used for the audience to let us know the all the knowledge and experiences we accumulated from watching this show were a lie.

>>93230218
Really, that Ashi disappeared is as far as Gennedy must have gotten in thinking about the repercussions of ending the series like he did.

Which, frankly added up to a whole hell of a lot more plot holes than if she had simply NOT disappeared. Then we could at least assume the parallel realities time travel, in which his future is now under the control of future Aku, and his new past is now free of Aku.

As it is, we're basically waiting for reality to remember that without Ashi, he couldn't have gone back in time to defeat Aku, causing Ashi to cease existing, and propelling him back into the future that is AAAAKUUUUU.

>>93230218
This is why I hate time travel and think anyone who suggests it should be immediately shot.

>>93230218
multiverse theory of time travel
by killing aku, jack started another universe where aku doesnt exist

only way this make sense....except that in that case, ashi should have remained.

they went full into drama over sense, stop thinking about it

>>93230680
A lot of it, I imagine, is that the season had an excellent three opening episodes, then slowly got worse... and left with this turd of a finale.

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>>93230218
He got flung into Aku's plot hole.

>>93233038
>Then we could at least assume the parallel realities time travel
Which would have left a horrifying future under permanent Aku control with no sword to defeat him.
You need to think before you write, anon.

>>93232998
From >>93224890:
>Aku's initial spell did send him to the future, but it was a pleasant, Aku-free future.
>That's... not how ANY of that works. Sorry, anon.

>>93233194
That would just add some fridge horror to the ending.

And further show why he should have defeated Aku in the future before traveling to the past.

Seriously, the finale is a clusterfuck of wasted time and missed opportunities.

He became a successful professor instead of a katana wielding weeaboo

>>93233258
You just don't get it, do you? The whole point of showing Ashi disappearing (other than to have a bittersweet ending, ofc) was to avoid that issue.

>>93233194
It would at least make sense. Jack abandons his friends to a bleak hell because he was horny. This way we could at least imagine him using the guardian portal in the past to go back to the future and fulfill that abandoned prophecy

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He finally succeeded in committing the ultimate sudoku.

>>93233251
From >>93224940
>Implying any of it worked to begin with

>>93233299
That doesn't make the ending good, nor does it make the fact that without Ashi he wouldn't have been able to go back to the past to defeat Aku, meaning that as she vanished, he should have found himself back in the future at the feet of Aku.

It doesn't fix the problem, it exacerbates it.

And no, saying that the future was now Aku free meaning he could just grab the nearest portal back doesn't fix that broken shit.

>>93233358
But I never implied that.

>>93233364
The only explanation is that the timeline healed itself. And it's a pretty satisfying one, IMO.

>>93233299
And it created an infinitely worse mess of issues. He could've just slain him in the future and then the past, or go with that one anon's idea of future Aku following Jack back and having a double Aku battle for the finale, then Ashi could do her disappearing act as a result of being magically tied to Aku's existence or some shit.

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WHY THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE KEEP FUCKING NITPICKING ABOUT THIS SHIT? IT'S INCREDIBLY FUCKING OBVIOUS THIS THREAD IS ANOTHER FUCKING EXCUSE TO SHIT ALL OVER THE SAMURAI JACK FINALE BECAUSE YOU AUTISTS COULDN'T HANDLE GENNDY ACTUALLY ENDING THE STORY ON HIS TERMS!

YES I'M FUCKING MAD, THE FINALE WAS GOOD AND EVERY GODDAMN DAY YOU PEOPLE BITCH AND MOAN OVER IT AND IT'S FUCKING ANNOYING AS SHIT.

SHUT THE FUCK UP AND JUST ACCEPT THE FINALE FOR WHAT IT IS, STOP BRINGING UP BULLSHIT MINUTIA JUST TO BITCH SOME MORE.

>>93233401
It really isn't. I'm sorry you fell so hard into the sunken cost fallacy.

>>93233376
>>That's... not how ANY of that works
Then how is it supposed to work anon?

>>93233440
>He could've just slain him in the future and then the past, or go with that one anon's idea of future Aku following Jack back and having a double Aku battle for the finale
Both of which would have resulted in the EXACT SAME paradox. Are you that stupid?

>>93233460
>Look mom, I'm being contrarian on the internet and no one can stop me!

>>93233460
It was a shit finale. Just accept it anon and you won't have to live with such madness

>>93233483
This version assumes the branching timeline idea. Killing future aku avoids the possibility of the old future timeline continuing to exist but being dominated by an unslain aku.

>>93230680
Did ego trip or Dexters lab kill off the deuteragonist in the epilogue as a consequence of time travel?
Because if not, there's your answer. People don't like having a downer ending as a direct cause of contradictory/stupid time travel logic

>>93233642
You really are dumb. Alright, listen: the paradox depends on ONE thing and ONE thing only: PAST AKU'S EXISTENCE.

If PAST Aku is killed, the paradox occurs. Doesn't matter what state future Aku is in. Doesn't matter where past/future Jack is. Doesn't matter what happens to Ashi. PERIOD.

>>93233460
You're allowed to like It, and genndy is allowed to think it was the right move, that doesn't make it good though.
However, the endless lists of objective problems with the finale are what back up people not liking it

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>>93233695
Have you ever watched dbz?

>>93234084
No, I don't appropriate cultures.

>>93234084
OK, I understand the interactions between storylines 1-3 (outside of the inclusion of Majin Buu, since I only remember Future Trunks showing up in the Cell saga). But what the fuck is storyline 4's relevance to anything? It's literally just "Cell games happen" without any explanation about what it's referring to as far as timelines go.

>>93234205
I dunno, it was just the first thing I found to show something that had a better grasp on how to make time travel more sensible

>>93230267

You made the most idiotic post in this thread.

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here.
im not even going to bother making this a good size

>>93230319

>Jack and Ashi emerging from the time portal, happened AFTER Jack was thrown into it

That's completely irrelevant. As long as Aku is killed at any time between when Jack was thrown into the portal and when Jack falls out of the portal in the future, then that Jack won't end up in the same future the series took place in. Fucking think this through, you're not making any sense. If Jack falls out of the portal into the future but Aku was killed before he fell out of the portal a thousand years ago or however long it was in the past where he was defeated, then how could that Jack possibly be the same Jack that landed in the bad future? Aku would need to continue existing all the way through Jack's falling out of the portal into the future for it to be the same or else the future he landed in wouldn't be governed by Aku. Aku needs to be alive to govern the future and he's not alive to do that if he's killed in the past. The fact he's killed in the past after that Jack is sent to the future has no bearing on the fact Aku isn't alive all those years after his defeat to enslave the planet like he did in the original series of events.

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>>93230218
Any time someone asks a question about time travel in a show, I have the urge to post this comic.

Itt: OP can't figure out basic time travel

>>93234893
>but Aku was killed before he fell out of the portal
Aku was killed AFTER Jack fell out of the portal.

There is no paradox. The ending followed standard science fiction time travel rules. People thrown through time are unaffected so long as the event they change doesn't kill themselves or their ancestors.

>>93230218
>What happened with past Jack who was send by Aku to the future before future Jack came back in and killed Aku?

He murdered an entire future because of his hatred of Aku.

>>93235023

No, you're thinking of the first timeline Jack falling out of the portal into the past to kill Aku. The other Jack that was sent to the future before Aku was killed won't fall out of the portal until the future. And that future will take place AFTER Aku is killed.

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>>93234795

That's not correct. If you follow the events through carefully you'll see they result in a nonsensical paradox.

>>93235280
>And that future will take place AFTER Aku is killed.
No, it will be before.

>>93235339

Aku is killed in the past. The future takes place after the past.

>>93235351
>The future takes place after the past.
No, because the original future was overwritten.

>>93230240
haha

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>>93235308
I... Honestly can't figure out this chart.

>>93235363

The original future being overwritten doesn't magically make the future no longer happen after the past. The future always happens after the past by definition.

>>93235398
>The future always happens after the past by definition.
Again, this is not correct when time travel to the past is involved.

In fact, any future that is overwritten NECESSARILY happens "before" some version of its own past.

>>93230218
That Jack will be sent to a future where Aku's evil isn't law.

>>93235387

It's not complicated. It's really just a variation of the grandfather paradox. If you go back in time and kill your grandfather before he could have kids, then you made it so that you were never alive to go back in time to commit that murder in the first place. But in order for you to not be alive to commit that murder in the first place you would need to be alive to commit the murder to make yourself not alive. So both your being alive and your being not alive are dependent on each other in a way that makes no sense and can't resolve.

Same thing with what Jack did. Aku needs to have been alive all that time for that Jack who killed him to have existed. And by killing Aku, that Jack makes it so that he himself can't have existed, which makes it so that Aku was never killed after all, but that makes it so that this Jack does exist after all and can kill Aku, which starts the whole paradox loop back up again.

>>93230240
fpbp, as always. Why is this thread still going?

>>93235436

No, you don't magically get to redefine he future as happening before the past no matter how many times you repeat that bullshit. By analogy if you leave your spatial location in a roller coaster line and go back to the beginning of the line you're now behind everyone else. If you go back to the past, you've placed yourself at a time *before* everything else in the future. Time has no meaning at all if not the basic meaning that past happens before future. You have a completely incoherent attempted understanding of time.

>>93234938

Love Manly Guys Doing Manly Things. The current mini-arc with the Easter crabs is just gettin' good.

>>93235387
i get its just stupid

>>93230894
>Jack is immortal
>Becomes emperor of humanity
>Future Jack comes
>JACK VS MAD JACK 2.0

>>93230218
Let me set this clear
There is only ONE JACK
There is only ONE TIMELINE
it's not hard to understand, is it?

>>93230751
Wrong. King Crimson works by sending a moment further in time. Try actually reading Jojo in Japanese.

>>93235852

It's not a matter of others failing to grasp your conclusion, it's a matter of your conclusion being wrong.

The future IS Aku

>>93235852
Well, there's the new timeline Jack just created that we haven't seen the future of yet, but no Jack didn't get flung into that one.

So you're right on the first one, there's only one Jack, even though there is now a brand new second timeline after the bad future has been erased.

>>93235529

>1) You're retarded

>2) Jack's first attempt to kill Aku goes awry

>3) FIVE SEASONS OF ADVENTURE

>4) Ashi brings them back to immediately after Jack left

>5) Jack kills Aku

>6) Future goes forward without Aku, erases Ashi, Aku's spell only sent Jack seconds into the future.

>7) Jack may or may not be under the effects of whatever kept him from aging still it doesn't matter, he completed the mission, life goes on without Aku, maybe he'll lose his memories of the other timeline, maybe the universe doesnt see it as a problem we don't know. It doesn't matter. He won.

>>93236027

>Aku's spell only sent Jack seconds into the future.

That's fan fiction bullshit. Nobody changed Aku's time portal.

>>93230218

I've wasted so much time in these threads now. Wish I could jump back in time a few months and spend it doing something useful, like creative masturbation or something.

Look, guys. The real plot hole here is that Jack himself didn't disappear, along with Ashi, at the moment he killed Aku. The Jack that killed Aku could never have existed, either.

On top of that, he wouldn't even have any memories of Ashi even if he somehow just popped into existence.

>Aku shows up
> young Jack gets thrown into the future
> shortly thereafter old Jack shows up and kills Aku

As far as anyone in the original young Jack timeline is concerned, young Jack just vanished into Aku's time hole. Then someone showed up and killed Aku, and promptly vanished. That older Jack doesn't exist anymore than Ashi.

Somewhere in the future, young Jack falls out of a time hole into a world where Aku was killed centuries earlier, but the world got on with itself and is nothing like what we saw in all the Samurai Jack episodes. Young Jack has no means to travel back in time, and probably doesn't even have the motivation to make the attempt anymore .. he just adjusts and figures out how to exist from the moment he appears in the future. Basically, he is the equivalent of a stasis sleeper, a one-way trip into the future.

The old Jack that killed Aku never existed. Nobody who ever met him ever existed.

The conclusion of the series SHOULD have been everyone vanishes at the moment of Aku's death. Scene fade to young Jack falling out of a time hole in the future, going "What the fuck?"


The fact that old Jack exists in the past, with his skills & memories intact, is evidence that another season (or more) is possible. If clever enough writers can be found to stitch it all together, probably requiring alternate universes.

Opening scene, season six: old Jack now hops dimensions, trying to find ways to kill as many Akus as possible, and save as many Jacks & Ashis as possible.

Infinitely Forever.

what if jack was a girl

>>93236174
Ashi

>>93236571
You know... it could work if the "time travel" was actually Aku throwing him into a pocket universe of Aku's creation... Even and especially the fact that Ashi took so long to fade away after Aku's destruction.

But, it is explicitly called Time Travel in the series.

>>93236089

That's the implication of the universe correcting itself that people get so wrapped up in.

>>93236647
Time travel can actually work that way too. It's called branching timelines.

>>93236753
Branching Timelines/Many Worlds would see Ashi be intact at the end though.

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It depends on the nature of the time portals themselves, doesn't it?

Let's say that a time portal creates a split anytime that it's used in full.

So, when Aku originally sends Jack to the future, this creates a time-split from the point of Jack's arrival.

When Ashi later creates a time portal and sends Jack back to the past, this creates a split in the timeline from the point Jack arrives back in the past.

Using this system of having splits in the timeline occur not from the creation of a time portal but instead by its use leaves of with three timelines.

Bright End: Created from the point of Jack reentering the timeline, the future is safeguarded and aku is defeated. The Gods rule over a happy land.

Dark end: Created from the split where Jack leaves the first time portal, this is a timeline where Jack never shows up. Aku grows more and more in power, in anticipation of Jack showing up. After at time, Aku dominates to the point of eliminating the Gods, allowing for his evil to be law.

Crumble timeline: Created from the timeline split leaves the first time portal, this is a timeline where Jack has 5 seasons of adventures and eventually leaves. At the point of Jack's departure, Aku is depressed and unable to function due to the knowledge that Jack has left. The future is abandoned by both the Gods and Aku, leaving its reality to crumble and fade (which is why Ashi fades but not immediately. Otherwise, she could continue to exist).

>>93236811
Yeah, that's one of the dumb things about all of it.
What >>93236571
posted in those notes in the bottom corner is the first halfway decent explanation I've seen for it.

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>>93236831
Stop trying to make TLoZ's stupid timelines theory work here, it's just simple, Jack was sent to the past, Asi sent him back to the original point, then the future that is Aku is undone.

There, gg no re fuck you

I swear this thread is populated by the same idiots who don't understand who the retroactive effects of divinity work in TES lore.

The original timeline still happened but ceases after a certain point.

>>93236968
Your frustration pleases me

>>93230218
the timeline loops back to the point jack was sent. thus ashi disappears because she can only live in send future loop that goes back into the point jack goes to aku future.

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MULTIVERSE THEORY YA STICK LEGGED

>>93230848
That's not how time works. It either happened or didn't happen. Not "it happened but then it changed".

>>93230218
It's the same Jack. It's not complex.

Jack is sent to the future and returns to the past five seconds after Aku dumped him there.

>b-b-b-but time paradox

Fine. Pretend that Jack killed Aku before he could use the time portal ability. Aside from his memory of the future and Ashi being there for a little while, that accounts for everything.

>>93240779
>Aside from his memory of the future and Ashi being there for a little while
Those are the central problems though

>>93230218
Man, what a really fucked up way to end the series. Not only do you force this man to go through 50 YEARS worth of combat, hunger, sickness, rescuing people, mortal wounds, murder, and slowly being driven insane by the grief and inability to return to your own timeline, you top that all off with the fact as soon as you return and finish your quest, NONE of that shit even mattered in the first place because it all just gets erased anyways. Those friends you made, places you saw, lives you saved? Didn't happen and never existed. Hell, it just proves that he really should have just fucked over those people, found the first portal home, and killed Aku straight away. Instead, you remain a virgin, you have 70 years of memories in a 20 year old body, and the one human you find attractive enough to actually want to cohabitat with, get married, have children, actually turns out to be the bastard offspring of the entity that you are set out to destroy and disappears too at the conclusion on your wedding day as a final fuck you, thanks for your service, better luck next time. Wow. Great message there Genndy, you fat fucking drunk russian jewish cock-smoking no-chin shit-eating grin lying rat piece of garbage. Man, if this steaming pile was your idea of a grand vision to concluding the epic that was samurai jack and pay respects to all the people who tirelessly campaigned for you to finish, then congratulations, you failed miserably and should have just kept this story dead inside your head where it belonged instead of show casing this catastrophe to those who once respected your great work.

Phew, look at that. Didn't even touch on the sloppy character/background artwork, the lazy animation, the rushed/hand waved ending/story, or the lack of music and ambient noises. 13 years and this is what we get. What a disgrace.

>>93241325
>Man, if this steaming pile was your idea of a grand vision to concluding the epic that was samurai jack and pay respects to all the people who tirelessly campaigned for you to finish,
He never had an ending in mind until those retarded fans begged him for one. This is what we deserve for being unable to leave it alone

>>93241375
Tartakovsky said, "coming close to [the end of] the fourth season, we're like, 'are we gonna finish it?' And I didn't know... The network didn't know, they were going through a lot of transitions also. So I decided, you know, I don't want to rush and finish the whole story, and so we just left it like there is no conclusion and then [the final episode is] just like another episode". Art director Scott Wills added, "We didn't have time to think about it, because we went right into Clone Wars. They even overlapped, I think. There was no time to even think about it."

You and everyone else defending this piece of shit can go fuck themselves. The fat bastard had 13 years to plan an ending. Hell, that's half the reason why he went to sony, so he could get them to force a samurai jack ending. Besides, do you even know how retarded you sound right now? "Oh gee, let me make a story and NOT bother thinking on how I would want to finish it." You damn mouth breather

>>93241511
It was clearly an episodic series that never gave a shit about its overarching plotline. The entire draw was the adventures of a time displaced samurai in the future. Even wanting an ending shows an intrinsic misunderstanding of what the series is. And once we got one, surprise surprise, it was shit.

You deserve this.

>>93234938
I've always fucking hated this comic. I've always hated trash that relies on pre-existing characters making obvious jokes. It's the least possible effort for the most reward from the lowest common denominator of 'nerdy' consumer.

>>93230218
Pime Taradox!

>>93241599
The premise of the show was to have the samurai find a way to return to the past, defeat evil, and change the future for the better. For God's sake, it's in the damn opening title sequence.

What kind of cynical, idiotic piece of shit can't even understand something as simple as the hero's journey? Or do you honestly expect me to believe people would rather see perpetual human suffering than have a satisfying conclusion of good triumphing over evil?

>>93241708
Thing is, that premise rarely mattered to the substance of the show. On a basic level, it may have been about Jack getting back to the past, but that was not the appeal. It was a distant goal no one expected Jack to actually achieve because then there'd be nothing to justify the show's existence nor all the stuff people actively liked about it, like the art direction and heavily stylized fights. It had a hint of plot if you paid attention, but I don't know anybody who watched specifically for that

It also doesn't follow a fucking Hero's Journey structure and I found the finally more uninspired and rushed than satisfying, but different strokes etc.

>>93241708
>Or do you honestly expect me to believe people would rather see perpetual human suffering than have a satisfying conclusion of good triumphing over evil?
Everytime jack interacted with anyone he made their lives better. He was triumphing over evil the entire time. The ending we got was actually more cynical than anything we ever saw in the series

>>93241847
finale*

>>93241847
Much of the art direction and the like were from a multitude of different artists, directors, story boarders, etc. basically an open art jam if you will. Regardless, that doesn't negate the final end goal of the series and what it was originally put forth as.

>>93241858
Yes, that's right. And that's why it was terrible. I expected so much more from Genndy and co. So much more.

>>93241858
In that same vein though, without stopping the cause of the evil, AKU, he would have to continue rescuing and saving people, knowing by saving one, he's letting a hundred others perish.

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>>93232839
>Treat it seriously, and people will react to it seriously
That's what made Jack's ending such a mess. We don't even see what the new future is. It's just Ashi telling us a one liner before she fades away. Hence shit like OPs can happen.

>>93235387
google grandfather paradox

>>93241944
Aku is not a destructive force, he was an oppressive one. Most people lived, they just had a shitty time of it (and sometimes not evenvthat much as we see from several well off people like the japanese mechanic family). Jack's existence and actions directly counter it. Like the scotsman said, Jack simply being weakens Aku and gives hope to the people.

The portal to the future has an entrance and an exit. In order for Jack to go through the portal, the source of the portal must remain intact. Once Aku died, Jack was either killed or just got stuck in the fourth dimension and died eventually.

>>93242203
>or just got stuck in the fourth dimension and died eventually
But time travel makes you immortal
>tfw jack was stuck for eternity between spaces

>>93241325
Good riddance. That future was terrible and everyone in it wanted Jack to go back too.

>>93230840
Yes, and he comes back by ashi, who doesn't exist without Aku, and therefore cannot bring him back to the past. The time travel in the end doesn't work

>>93233162
>file name
>final blow
>not final scene

>>93234893
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>>93235627
You're all fucking idiots. The reason it doesn't work or make sense is because of Ashi. She opened the portal to allow Jack to go to the past and kill Aku. Aku dies thus making Ashi never exist, so how was Jack able to return to the past? If anything the moment Aku died or Ashi vanished Jack should have immediately found himself back in the future, but a future without Aku. Paradox has to correct itself some how.

>>93242561
If Jack got stuck in the future, then no one defeated Aku, which means he ruled over the future, which means Ashi can exist to send Jack back in time, which means he can defeat Aku, which means Ashi can't exist in the future, which means Jack couldn't have returned to the past, which means no one defeated Aku...

>>93242561
I propose reality rewrote itself in a way that allows Jack to exist, as in >>93232998

>>93230691
This

>>93230691
>So when the aku future was erased he was unaffected.

Right but he's still an older Jack with 50 years of memories of a future that can't exist

>>93235701
>Jack is corrupted after losing Ashi
>Decides to conquer the land for.some convoluted reason
>With his agelessness he continues to rule many centuries into the future
>The jack sent by Aku to the future arrives in this timeline
>Now a Samurai seeks to undo the future that is Jack

>>93236007

So jack can still meet the scottsman and his daughters and gets to fuck them right? I don't see a problem really.

>>93235585
/co/ is kind of stupid.
Look at the constant threads we have when a movie comes out where a character's basic motivation is seemingly incomprehensible to half the board. You think we're capable of comprehending or even shrugging off something like a time travel paradox?

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Look, this is what happened: Jack found a crimson behelit and sacrificed an entire reality so he could kill Aku. He's now one of the God Hand and thus free from causality, allowing him to exist even though his own actions would cause a paradox that would invalidate everything that happened

I fucking hate time travel so fucking much because autists can't just let it be a plot mechanism or framing device.

Trying to rationalize time travel is the stupidest thing imaginable because as a concept its not plausible or rational. There's a reason its not real because it would create paradoxes and inconsistencies.

Its a cartoon HOLY FUCK

>>93243834
Branching timelines and stable time loops are rational though. It's just this how used neither.

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>>93230218
OP is a dumbass and so is everyone who doesnt understand the SJ timeline

>>93233684
name time travel logic that is not stupid

>>93244342
>>93243870

>>93244243
This chart assumew a stable time loop, which it isn't. Jack was sent to a future that didn't exist because he killed Aku before the future could come to be. You could assume it was instead a branching timeline and still exists independently, but Ashi being deleted shows it doesn't exist. He went nowhere and was sent back by someone who doesn't exist. He paradoxed himself.

>>93244661
The SJ series is more like a warped timeline/what if story. There are no branches and the loop happened once. The series is jack trying to undo aku's future which he does but not before spending decades in the future. When he does get back, he appears to have only been gone for seconds. Then he kills aku and fixes the timeline which is why ashi dies. The key to understanding this is that the loop only happened once.

It's a universe with gods and shit, so I assume there's some deity in charge of sorting out paradoxes. Jack ultimately ended up where he would have been if he had never been sent to the future, so there was no paradox created (aside from Jack having memories he shouldn't, but that wasn't going to fuck up the time stream). Ashi was a walking paradox and had to go.

>>93230487
You're an idiot.

>>93230487

So future jack gets to fuck all the Scott's daughters and past jack is forever alone. GG

>>93244342
That's not the point, the problem is samurai jack gave MASSIVE consequences with nothing more than a single line of explanation that raises many more questions than it answers

I think i figure oit whats going on.

Long ago on a distant board, I, Genndy Tartakovsky, the shape-shifting Master of Darkness, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish group of net warriors wielding magical Autism stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in time and flung them into them future, where my plot holes are law! Now the fools seeks to return to the past, and undo the future that is no waifu!

Season 6 - Samurai Autism.

>>93246560
>and undo the future that is no waifu!
Real talk tho, I feel like 99% of the complaints would disappear if Ashi hadn't (pun intended).
Even despite the horrific implications of that.

>>93244952
Except ashi disappearing directly causes jack to become a walking paradox. She was literally the portal that sent him back to the past, and he remains even after she ceases to exist

>>93246604
It would only please the Jashifags. Everyone else would hate Jack/Ashi more for dooming the people of the Aku future and would still complain about all the season's other flaws

>>93246714
But there are far more Jashifags than the rest of this fandom combined.

>>93230378

But the bad future no longer exists.

>>93247065
So? Doesn't change my post.

>>93241302
End this meme. By virtue of the actions Jack takes, Ashi ceases to exist after she returns him. He remembers the actions he took to get to the point where he was returned to his proper timeline because he was affected by magic.

>>93247119
>because he was affected by magic
'it's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit' is really the only way to conclude all of this.

Otherwise, Ashi could still exist in the past if Jack's memories of her still exist in the past. Either that, or there's some sort of temporal conservation of mass that took a little while to kick in.

>>93241325
>no alternate timeline where everyone is happy
>every previously established character was wasted
>Jack barely interacts with them
>they show up just to get killed off at the finale
>they're erased from existence, making every portal Jack didn't take dumb decisions instead of noble ones

Fuck this ending.

>>93230218
Time in this show is ultra flexible, which is shit

Jack shouldn't have come back, it was a mistake I think.

I think an entire season of Motorcycle jack doing edgy cinematographic shit would have been better than a conclusion

>>93247174
>Ashi could still exist in the past if Jack's memories of her still exist in the past
His memories don't exist. He forgot them by the closing scene, which is why he was happy

>>93248568
>He forgot them by the closing scene
[citation needed]

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>Jack is immortal
>Will have to watch everyone he loves die aorund him
>yfw you realise Aku won in the end

It was just a scene reshowing what happened after he got sent in and came back to show that the 50 years only happened for a second in the present. Why anyone thinks there's now another Jack because of this sho

>>93248632
>Jack is immortal
[citation needed]

>>93248646

Did you even watch S5?

>>93248632
>Jack is immortal
He was in the future because of time travel shenanigans
Back in the past, he's going to age.

>>93248297
t. edgelord

>>93248665

>Back in the past, he's going to age.

We have no proof that, what we do know if the effects of time stopped working on Jack

>>93248652
Sorry, I should have said:
>Jack is STILL immortal
[citation needed]

>>93248695

>[citation needed]

Why do you keep doing this>>93248622
>>93248646

Are you autistic?

>>93248622
How else would you explain Jack retraining memories of people and places that never existed and Ashi taking months to disappear? Obviously reality deletes all paradoxes and does it at variable speeds, thus Jack losing his memory at some point is logical.

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>>93248709
Memes aside, I see you continue to ignore my point.

>>93248665
>[citation needed]

>>93248718

Ashi taking time to disappear was just so Genndy could do the Gurren Lagann ending

>>93248734

[citation needed]

>>93248739
Stop copying my shtick, yo.

>>93248743
authors don't exist in internal setting logic

>>93248754
That's not how you use that. Fucking newfags...

>>93248766

Thats literally why it happened though

>>93248758
How can you copy yourself anon?

>>93248670
Yes I love edge
Are you going to tell me S5E 1,2 and 3 were garbage because of all the blood and kino

>>93248665
>He was in the future because of time travel shenanigans
Because said time travel shenanigans were caused by Aku and Aku's magic. As long as Aku survived, Jack would be immortal because the "evil that is Aku" (i.e. all of Aku's evil powers) would not be erased. With Aku dead, Jack is no longer immortal.

There is one timeline. It just includes Jack time traveling.

Jack's timeline is always as follows:
Aku attack. Jack trains. Jack and Aku fight. Flung into the future where Aku's evil is law. Jack has a series of adventures, eventually meets Ashi. Ashi and Jack travel back in time and kill Aku. Ashi disappears because her origin is gone and she didn't develop time travel immunity, Jack lives through it all.

Time travel worked on a sort of round-about loop for Jack. The rest of reality doesn't matter, it's all about Jack. Maybe because of those three hero-gods that watch over him? Anyway, there's no alternate realities or timelines. There's just a divergence that happens, and always happens, before it gets corrected.

>>93248807
>t. edgelord

>>93248808
Better, thanks anon

>>93248808

>With Aku dead, Jack is no longer immortal.

Says you

>>93248790
Technically you can, it's just called self-plagiarism

>>93248632
Seppuku is still an answer to that.

>>93242800
>future jack will end up being without limbs and a burned face

>>93248826
ok

>>93248784
That's why everything happens, but we don't use it to explain everything
>why didn't Jack just take one of the numerous time portals he found before?
author wanted it to happen
>why didn't Aku just kill Jack instead of deciding what weapon to use?
author wanted it to happen
>why did ashi believe and fall in love with Jack?
author wanted it to happen
>why did this show end so shittily with so many plotholes and irrational causalities?
author wanted it to happen

>>93248893

Nice autism lad

>>93248892
Being an edgelord is not.

>>93248825
>Aku attack. Jack trains. Jack and Aku fight. Flung into the future where Aku's evil is law. Jack has a series of adventures, eventually meets Ashi. Ashi and Jack travel back in time and kill Aku. Ashi disappears because her origin is gone and she didn't develop time travel immunity, Jack lives through it all.
If Jack defeat aKu before he dominated the future, where did Aku send him before he got back? If Ashi couldn't exist, who sent Jack back in time?

>>93248923
Time only works from Jack's perspective.

He's always sent into the distant future where Aku rules, and always meets Ashi.

>>93248923
>If Jack defeat Aku before he dominated the future, where did Aku send him before he got back?
To the version of the timeline before said defeat
>If Ashi couldn't exist, who sent Jack back in time?
The Ashi who existed before Jack got sent back

>>93248963
>To the version of the timeline before said defeat
There was no timeline where Aku wasn't defeated, because there is only one timeline

>>93248990
But there obviously used to be, it was overwritten.

>>93248910
I like edge, doesn't mean I'm an edgelord

I will like to see grimdark shit and skulls with red and black, but shit, I don't parade it, I don't wear punisher t shirts, I don't have a grim reaper wallpaper, I don't use the anger and main sniper in TF2

>>93249034
And it doesn't exist now, which means it never existed, because time can't exist at one point then not exist at another

>>93244901
It didn't happen at all, anon. That's what "undo the future" means. It is prevented from happening.

This thread is another perfect proof that going for the actual time travel was a huge fucking mistake. It's not like you needed it for "lol ashi dies so bittersweet amirite" ending and they didn't do anything interesting/important with it apart from that.

>>93230840
>adults
>on 4chan

>>93249108
>because time can't exist at one point then not exist at another
Time, no. A specific version of the future? Yes!

>>93230218
Pretty simple, as ashi disappeared, so did all the memories of her and the aku future.

As far as jack is concerned, he got flung into a akuless future, found the green Gem of wishes and returned to the past to slay aku.

>>93250027
>he got flung into a akuless future
Not this shit again...
Jack NEVER got sent into an Aku-less future.

>>93235387
you may be retarded, just like season 5

>>93250069
I know, and that is what makes the ending paradoxal.

>>93234795
Going by your chart, Jack was never actually sent to the future, he was just sent to an alternate dimension.

>>93250260
He basically was, since the timeline was overwritten. That's how the story works.

>>93234795
If that were the case, Ashi wouldnt cease to exist.
There is only ONE line, and things dont add up anymore
>>93235308 Image is poorly made, but he got the right idea.

Nothing makes sense anymore, suspension of disbelief got thrown out of window, anything could happen, and yet genndy chose a gut punch wedding just because of muh bittersweet ending. Fucking retarded.

>>93250334
>and yet genndy chose a gut punch wedding just because of muh bittersweet ending.
It was mainly chosen to show that parallel universe theory doesn't apply to this show.

>>93235986
Isn't that a separate power?

>>93250365
Therefore the future couldnt possibly have happened, and we are back into the paradox. There was no aku to enslave the world, there was no ashi to save jack and send him back.

The grandfather paradox dont work just as "you exist till the moment you kill your father, then you dont exist anymore". It work as "you never existed. period"

>>93230218
what happened to all the time portals?

Were they restored when Jack went back to the past?

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>>93251450
heres the real question: IF the portals are restored does that mean that King Jack and thereby Ashi could exist since the Guardian is now still alive?

>>93251517
Ashi can't exist ever because her mother has no Aku jizz to drink to make her

>>93251450
Of course.
>>93251517
That's exactly what he does later. (Without Ashi.)

>>93251517
>since the Guardian is now still alive?
There's nothing to suggest he predates Aku's future.

>>93251602
except he says hes been guarding the portal for millennium. Its possible he could exist during jacks time.
>>93251559
but why not find a way to save ashi. The portal could work as a way to bring her back?>>93251546
This is probably the most likely scenario but Ashi could be reborn. We see souls exist in this show. Why couldnt she be reborn as a new aku less ashi

>>93251602
There's nothing to suggest he doesn't, and given the portal's nature as some weird prophecy thing that can see the future (past?) it may very well exist outside linear time

>>93251926
An ending that dont bother to end the series isnt an ending at all.

>>93251679
He says "countless eons," which just means "a really long time." And Jack is from thousands of years in the past, anyway, according to the dog archaeologists.

>>93251926
Sure, but you're talking about possibilities. "Since the Guardian is still alive" is not possibility; it's treating it as fact.

>>93252010
>countless eons
On a literal sense, it means A FUCKING LOT of time. He was probably exaggerating, otherwise he would be about as old as the gods.

>>93252010
Technically, eon in it's strictest definition is one billion years

>>93252130
>>93252146
Well yeah. Both "countless" and "eons" are rarely used in the literal or technical sense, though.