Was Bruce stealing the kryptonite part of Lex's plan? He

>>93116798
it basically makes his hands clean.

lex never weaponized it. it was all bruce.

all lex did was get it into the country, bruce did all the work for him afterwards.

>>93116798
Perhaps he's wondering why someone would stab a man with a spear before throwing him out of a plane

>>93116798
he looks like he's wet himself

>>93116798
He let Bruce's vendetta against Superman do all the work for him. He just needed to make it look like he wanted the Kryptonite for himself.

Nothing about Lex ever made sense

>>93116927
But Lex never planned for that to happen. He wanted the Kryptonite for himself.

He just expected Batman to find another way to kill Superman as part of his plan somehow.

>>93119234
He did plan it. Thing is, he doesn't have one plan, the actor spoke a lot about how Lex has several plans, not just one. And it makes sense, it's not viewer friendly, but it makes sense for the smartest guy in the world to have more than one thing going on.

>>93119751
>He did plan it.
Having it happen then afterwards saying that he planned it, doesn't mean he planned it.
The movie did piss poor work explaining his plan and you can't really just assume that.

also nice
>too deep 4 u

jar of piss

>>93119751
People said similar things abou Zemo.

>>93116798
Also, were those guys transporting the Kryptonite criminals of some kind? Or just somw Lexcorp security detail working the late shift, and just wanting to make a buck to pay rent and get home to their families? Because Batman straight up slaughtered them.

>>93119234
>He just expected Batman to find another way to kill Superman as part of his plan somehow
I always thought his plan was the reverse, to have Superman kill Batman. That way, it would be the final straw in people being suspicious of Superman, and Lex would then once again be the greatest man in the public's eye, since it would appear as if his hands are clean.

>>93120104
I think they were hired guns, who were most likely war criminals, since they're the type who would kill both a CIA agent and a bunch of insurgents to achieve their objective. I would like to assume Bruce did a background check on them ahead of time.

>>93120261
>hired guns
I don't know they seemed like they had a lot of loyalty

>>93120324
Were any big guys?

>>93120202
It's a win-win for Lex. If Batman kills Superman, Superman dies and Lex wins. If Superman kills Batman, Superman becomes a villain and Lex wins still. Either way Lex achieve what he wishes and destroy Superman one way or the other

>>93119751
Then why not just have Lex look smug that the Kryptonite is gone
That's literally all it takes
Not a single change to the script.
Just Lex looking glad

But we couldn't even have that

>>93120395
Because Lex is an autist

>>93120357
>tfw Lex could have won by giving Superman a microphone and telling Supes "if you say Martha, she dies. You take off the microphone, she dies"

>>93120409
Even autists can look happy when things go their ways.
Or hell just have him nod and look "All according to keikaku"

Just anything

>>93120261
Bruce couldn't be bothered to check up Superman's background, and you think he was looking up Lex's goons?

>>93120429
Lex also could have won if he HID MARTHA IN LITERALLY ANY OTHER PLACE THAN FUCKING GOTHAM

Yeah I know, he didn't "know"
But Jeez just give the standing order of "get her really far away".
Superman has super-senses and shit
Martha was held so close to where the fight was going to be held that Batman could not only find her, but rescue her in the allotted time.
Did Superman even try to look for her?

>>93120503
Well Lex's plan involved him not knowing where Martha was, so he couldn't be interrogated (I guess supes can listen to his heartbeat to check if he's telling the truth). So his goons, who got the choose where to go, were probably like "we're not getting paid to fly across the world, let's just go the next city over." They were only told to hide from Supes.
>>93120478
He was putting a good amount of research into "the White Portuguese" and originally thought it was a person, and met the one mercenary face-to-face, so it just seems kind of natural for him to background check that guy and his group. Plus Bruce didn't have the advantage of knowing Supes was Clark Kent, so it's kind of hard to background check him.

>>93120618
>Well Lex's plan involved him not knowing where Martha was, so he couldn't be interrogated (I guess supes can listen to his heartbeat to check if he's telling the truth).
Well yes, there's not knowing where she is and know she's far away

Literally, Lex would have won if he just said "Take her really far away. Europe, Asia, whatever."

Oh hell. If they just kept her in Kansas, he'd have won
If they were REALLY lazy and just put her in a hotel in Kansas City.
It didn't need to be an abandoned warehouse in Gotham .Which is like where Batman spends 90% of his time anyways

>>93120104
>were those guys transporting the Kryptonite criminals of some kind?
Why would Lex hire guys that are probably on watchlists to transport something he went through the trouble of getting in legally?

More importantly, if he went through the trouble to bring it in legally, why not just use the regular security forces?

>>93120503
>Martha was held so close to where the fight was going to be held that Batman could not only find her, but rescue her in the allotted time.
This makes absolutely no fucking sense when you realize that she was in fucking Kansas when she was kidnapped. Lex had to actually order her moved from Kansas to Gotham. Why?

>>93120618
>He was putting a good amount of research into "the White Portuguese"
Why? how did he know the White Portugese had a way to kill Superman?

Why did Superman let Lex leave in his helicopter? Why didn't he just grab him and take him to Batman?

>>93120715
Because the movie was written as a series of events with a story strung between them.
That's how Synder makes movies
He thinks of really cool things to happen and strings them together without worrying too hard about the hows and whys
"Batman saving Martha" was one of those moments. And it did have a lot of visual pizzazz so much so that it was in the trailers.

>>93120777
>Why did Superman let Lex leave in his helicopter? Why didn't he just grab him and take him to Batman?
Why would Superman do this?
He doesn't know who Bruce Wayne is and that point doesn't he?

>>93120827
Does it matter if he knows who Bruce is?
Just pick him up, fly him over to Batman and let him know that Lex is pitting them against each other.
Why let Lex literally get away?
Superman made himself vulnerable on purpose.

>>93120948
This could have even still happened if Supes was like "Ya nah, I'm not fighting you bro. Not happening. This creep named Lex wants it to happen, so I'm just going to fly up here till you calm your tits"

>>93120987
Could have taken the whole helicopter if Lex even told him not to touch him or anything.

>>93117961
If Lex took off his mask, would Batman die?

>>93120104
They were the smart mercenaries that burnt the village.


Fuck I hate /co/

>>93118545
>Nothing about Lex ever made sense
>how to spot a pleb 101

>>93121167
But if Lex went through the hassle of getting the rock in legally, why would he bother using criminals rather than guards that might not be wanted by federal authorities

Why did Superman WANT to fight Batman again?

>>93121304
Because Batman was beating up white slavers and rapists and letting them go to jail.
That's the entire reason.

>>93119800
>>93120395
>>93119234
>>93116798
its pretty obvious it WAS part of his plan, seeing as how Lex put that information on where the kryptonite was IN the files he intentionally let Bruce steal (he even invited him to the party so he could steal it).


Goddamn you guys are so fucking dumb it hurts.

>>93120202
That's what makes it such a good plan, win or lose, Superman is either not all-powerful (satisfying Lex's need for there to not be a god) or all good (satisfying Lex's need for God to be evil).

>>93121668
Then why the fuck didn't Snyder say "Hey, try to look like things are going as planned" to Eisenberg?

>>93119751
For a character that's supposed to be so smart and have so many plans he got caught on the dumbest shit ever by literally signing his work.

>>93121070
>>93120987
>>93120948
>>93120827
>>93120777
>Why? how did he know the White Portugese had a way to kill Superman?


Because Lex fed him this info intentionally to get him to fight Superman. This was made painfully obvious.
>Why did Superman let Lex leave in his helicopter? Why didn't he just grab him and take him to Batman?

Lex even says if anything happens to him then the guys are going to kill Martha (he literally says if you kill me, but come on its likely anything he does to Lex will cause them to kill Martha)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZnFXqhCWIk
And he TRIES to tell Batman he is pitting them against each other but he doesnt want to listen. If he just kidnapped Lex, who in Bruce's eyes is just a shitty businessman not a super villain, Bruce would have thought Superman was just taking people as he pleased and would have listened to Superman even less.
Remember, Lex was manipulating a hate for Superman that Batman already had.

>>93121304
Supes didn't want to but Lex had a gun to his Mom's head.

Bats was just butthurt.

>>93121509
>and letting them go to jail
Where they would be murdered

>>93121706
Because he is in front of a bunch of cops and is trying to save face. Even in that shot in the OP he is stifling a smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8a6n105faE

>>93121778
>Lex even says if anything happens to him then the guys are going to kill Martha (he literally says if you kill me, but come on its likely anything he does to Lex will cause them to kill Martha)
How would they know if something happens to Lex when they don't even think Batman showing up means that the jig is up?

>>93121706
>why doesnt the villain reveal his motivations with a bunch of cops and investigators and cameras around

goddamn you are dumb

>>93116798

>a literal autist finds out who Superman AND Batman really are and thinks up a brutally contrived plan that hinges on incredibly unlikely happenings to succeed
>not only does the World's Greatest Detective get completely blindsided by all of it, but he can't even figure out who Superman is when anyone with facial recognition software on their cellphone could do it in like ten minutes

I gotta admit, it took me out of the movie a little.

>>93121750
what

>>93121834
Have you learned nothing? Just call people retarded until the movie becomes good again.

>>93121668
>its pretty obvious it WAS part of his plan
No it wasn't. You can't have a character
>actively try to keep an object away from another character
>keep the knowledge of the object from a character
>lock it up away from a character
>when object is taken by that character, get upset
and then assume it was all part of his plan.
Everything we have to go off of tells us Lex wanted it for himself. He didn't even break it into shipments, and hope Batman would only take one. Batman took it all and he got upset.
This is on the same level of assuming it was Lex's plan to get his head shaved and go to jail after three heroes teamed up to kill his monster.

>>93121818
>>93121833
Dudes, it's basic movie making to characters reveal stuff to the audience that no one else can see.
I'm not saying break the 4th wall, but have him turn his back on them and smirk.
That's it.
Or walk into another room or anything.

This just one of the million little functional details that Synder doesn't put much effort into.

>>93121841
That's how Lois exposes Lex. Lexcorp's unnecessarily proprietary bullets.

>>93121827
>How would they know if something happens to Lex

A million different ways. Lex has to call a guy somewhere every 10 minutes to tell him he is okay, there is a heart sensor on Lex, there are people watching Lex to make sure he is okay, KGBeast has a camera on Lex's body somewhere, etc.
I cant believe you need the smallest and least important of details explained to you.
Also idk why you think they should have killed Martha with Batman there. What would that have accomplished? They kill Martha, and what, he just kills them harder? If anything it was wiser to keep Martha has hostage and bargaining chip. You even see it IN THE SCENE where Batman is hesitates for a moment to kill KGBeast because he has her hostage, and KGBeast thinks for a second he won.

>>93121803
But not by batman.
They were beaten and one died, if I remember right, because other criminals didn't like them.
He may as well gone after the cops that locked them up by that logic.

>>93121885
> Lexcorp's unnecessarily proprietary bullets

Man she is literally the only person to find this detail and it wasnt even enough TO expose Lex. First off they were secret DARPA bullets that took a specialized government ballistics expert AND a military general to verify.


IDK why you think that is what caught him and not the giant monster.

>>93121266

It's almost as if the movie was really poorly written or something.

>>93119751
>It's not awful writing Lex is just too smart to understand
Sherlock?

>>93121867
man you are dumb dude

>keep the knowledge of the object from a character


but he doesnt, Lex invites Bruce to the party so he can steal the data that tells him where the Kryptonite is.
>actively try to keep an object away from another character
But he wasnt, he wanted him to steal the kryptonite, the chase was so that Batman had to work for it (so he wouldnt suspect anything and to make Lex look more innocent) AND so that it would attract Superman's attention and get an initial conflict of ideals brewing.
>when object is taken by that character, get upset
But he isnt upset. See
>>93121818
>He didn't even break it into shipments, and hope Batman would only take one

But thats exactly what happened, Batman took the first shipment. There was more coming.

>Batman took it all and he got upset.
No he didnt.

>>93121934
In reality(where people aren't retards) it would've been one of the first things investigators find. Looking at the source of shell's is one of the easiest ways to figure out who did what. It's why a lot of special forces units use AKM's and Russian surplus ammo during clandestine operations.

>>93121877
How retarded, you wanted him to give a big evil smirk that would make no sense just because you couldnt process context clues?

Lex invited Bruce to the party, and its revealed that he knew he was Batman the entire time and that Clark was Superman the entire time. Why else would he intentionally invite Batman to a party where the information he wants is there? And he also reveals that he has been manipulating Bruce since before the senate bombing.
Its really not hard to understand my dude.

>>93122042
>In reality it would've been one of the first things investigators find.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0fR2xlaIWo

They tried that you stupid retard, the first thing Lois says is "no match." AND she says its part of a military conspiracy to overthrow a government. And the general says its super classified info. Obviously it was covered by the government you fucking dumb ass.

>>93122042
>its so easy to find out where secret darpa prototype bullets come from guys!!!


How are idiots like you allowed to live?

Damn, just looking at that dude and realizing he's Lex Luthor is unsettling. I mean, really, what the fuck were they thinking?

>>93122068
Oh yes, I understood it
But being so slackly lazy about getting your characters motives and secret actions across is bad film making.
Snyder did the bare minimum to suggest what was going on.

But that doesn't make it good.
It would have been better if the evil super villain who masterminded everything had a few scenes where we can see him masterminding everything instead of oscillating between autist upset about the lack of tendies and a flaming homosexual who is still autistic

>>93121266>>93121941


>why would he bother using criminals rather than guards that might not be wanted by federal authorities


Because it was made super duper clear that they arent wanted by the government. The world and the US government blames Superman for what happened.

>>93121897
>Just make shit up in your head until it's brilliant!
Why stop with the small details then? The World's Finest in my head is better than anything we could've gotten. Much smarter too.

>>93122108
And as I said before. The US govt is better at covering shit up than you think. they wouldn't have used such blatantly obvious rounds if they were trying to be covert.

>>93122144
>I understood it

then why did you need a smile? IF you understood it then everything was communicated fine.


>hurr durr he is a homosexual and autistic!!!

man, so you are a homophobe too? Your intelligence levels keep dropping in my eyes.

>>93122142
>I want Zuckerberg from the Social Network. But instead of having him be cold and ruthlessly calculating, make him the opposite of that

>>93122009
>but he doesnt, Lex invites Bruce to the party so he can steal the data that tells him where the Kryptonite is.
How did Lex know that Bruce would do that? How did he know Bruce was looking for it? Why did Mercy catch him and take him back to the party if he was supposed to get the files?

>he wanted him to steal the kryptonite, the chase was so that Batman had to work for it (so he wouldnt suspect anything and to make Lex look more innocent) AND so that it would attract Superman's attention and get an initial conflict of ideals brewing.
He could have accomplished this goal by having a standard security force and just let Batman knock out the guards and take it like he did at his lab. Except the lab was noted as being more secure and too risky.
Why did he assume Superman would show up and fight Batman?
Why did he assume Superman would let men armed with gattling guns flee from the scene?
Why did he think Superman would have a problem with Batman sending bad guys to jail?

>But he isnt upset.
He doesn't state any where that it was part of his plan or reveal that he was happy all of his sample got taken.
This is story telling after the credits roll. Where you actively have to think of a way for something to explain a previous scene. The scene shows nothing of a smirk or smile. It's the same blank straight lip stare through the entire lab scene. You're making an assumption because the story would make no sense unless it was part of his already convoluted plan.

>There was more coming.
Then why would he activate his Plan B without any kryptonite to keep it in check?
How do you know there was more coming?
Why would he need more AFTER his plans to kill Superman?

>>93121266
If Bruce put a tracking device on the kryptonite and ends up stealing it off camera anyway, why does he bother getting into an epic car chase?

The movie's fucking dumb.

>>93122154
>asks for an autistic explanation for a small detail
>hurr durr why did you make up an explanation!!!!!


I bet if that line came up in a comic you would never have questioned it. You are just grasping for straws. Why does Lex NEED to explain how he is being watched? Why SHOULD he? It would only give Superman another way to possible undo his plan. Maybe he was even bluffing, but the point is Superman couldnt take that risk.

>>93122121
You said it yourself retard. There's a certain level of quality insurgent dirt farmers have when it comes to weapons, and it's generally not of the high end experimental round variety.

>>93122167
It wasnt blatantly obvious though, how do you think that? Lois couldnt even get anyone to listen to her about them.

>>93122142
They (Snyder) was literally thinking "He doesn't give a fuck. That's so badass!"

>>93122042
What investigators? It's the middle of who-gives-a-shit Africa. They knew Superman was there, he has heat vision, the bodies were burned. If you're already worried about what he might do and need an excuse to arrest him, that's case closed.

>>93122108
>They tried that you stupid retard
> the general says its super classified info
You can't have these two things exist. You can't have a government investigation to reveal that there was information they couldn't have access to, but a reporter could.
You also can't have a government conspiracy happen without it having any relevance on the plot. You see Lex trying to work with two Senators, but never once does he try to bribe them or flex any political weight.
Saying that the government was covering up for Lex is a really lazy way of saying that nobody besides Lois cared enough to make it a point in the plot.

>>93122200
That line wouldn't have come up in a comic.
Especially not a good one. And if it did, I would've assumed it was a matter of bad editing just like I assume this is a matter of bad writing and directing.

If I want to consume fanfiction I'll go re-read Inviolate. At least that Lex isn't constantly mincing around. That writers didn't kill Mercy, either.

>>93122145
>The world and the US government blames Superman for what happened.
>The government blames Superman for killing a CIA agent and militia forces with bullets
>this is a serious point of the movie

>>93122302
No no you don't get it.
The government blames Superman for destabilizing a region getting a CIA agent killed before he even showed up, and militia forces with US government exclusive bullets.
That makes perfect sense.

>>93122244
>What investigators? It's the middle of who-gives-a-shit Africa.
The very next scene after Lois is saved by Superman was the US Senate hearing to discuss the actual event.
So yeah, I'm assuming someone in the government cares.

>>93122190
>How did he know Bruce was looking for it?
Because he had been feeding him the information leading up to him finding out about Lex's kryptonite shipment.

>Why did Mercy catch him and take him back to the party if he was supposed to get the files?
So that Bruce wouldnt think it was too easy and suspect anything. Why do you think Mercy knew he would be there?


>He could have accomplished this goal by having a standard security force and just let Batman knock out the guards and take it like he did at his lab.
Obviously he couldnt, because when Batman did break into the lab it didnt attract Superman.
>Why did he assume Superman would show up and fight Batman?
Because thats what Superman does? Are you really asking why Lex thought Superman would stop a masked criminal from stealing? What? Especially one IN Metropolis?
>Why did he assume Superman would let men armed with gattling guns flee from the scene?
Because there is no reason to suspect they are criminals, they are just legally protecting military grade materials. And I guess in the DCUniverse gatling guns are legal for military related transportation.
>Why did he think Superman would have a problem with Batman sending bad guys to jail?
He didnt, he had a problem with Batman stealing from a seemingly innocent business man and killing people in the process.
>He doesn't state any where that it was part of his plan or reveal that he was happy all of his sample got taken.
see
>>93122068
>Then why would he activate his Plan B without any kryptonite to keep it in check?
He probably did have kryptonite to keep it in check, after all we see that he had a kryptonite scalpal with him. But there was never a point where he needed to use it.
>How do you know there was more coming?
Because he was contracted to make many military weapons with it and they found a whole field of it in the ocean.


>Why would he need more AFTER his plans to kill Superman?
Because of his contract to make weapons.

>>93122213
What I'm saying is if these people weren't written fucking stupidly it would've been obvious. War corespondents are taught how to identify shell casings because it can tell you a lot about who and where people are getting weapons from. And the US military knows this enough to not be sloppy like that.

>>93122291
>That line wouldn't have come up in a comic.


Really? You are really going to argue that villains never bluff or say "if anything happens to me X will happen" without giving a super detailed autistic explanation? REALLY?

>>93122210
yes, but they even explicitly mention the government coverup in relation to that.

>>93122275
What the fuck are you even saying? Watch the scene again, the government covered it up. It was Lois' guys in the crimelab that couldnt come up with a match. Lois had to get a high ranking military officer to find the info for her after confirming that they were ghost bullets with no match.
I dont think you even understood what happened.

>>93122341
>>93122302
how do you guys keep missing the government cover up part of this? The government covered up that they were using their bullets because officially they were supporting the government there while secretly arming the rebels. Lex made it look like, to the government, that it was the rebels (not his mercs) that that started the conflict and Superman came in and lasered them to death.

>>93122275
Why would the senators have ANY involvement in a military related cover up? Also why does Lex need to bribe any of them when he can just kill the one that doesnt agree with him?

>>93122343
yes exactly, government investigators part of the government cover up that is explicitly mentioned in the movie.

>>93122381
Holy shit, there were no corespondents there, the government covered the whole thing up. Lois had a bullet because SHE WAS THERE, she was the ONLY reporter there. She probably had the only bullet recovered by non-military personnel.

>>93122366
>Because he had been feeding him the information leading up to him finding out about Lex's kryptonite shipment.
How? Through leaking information to white slavers?
Why would white slavers know about a boat that was trying to bring in a legal shipment of a rock sample? Did the white slavers know it could kill Superman? Did Batman know it could kill Superman?

>So that Bruce wouldnt think it was too easy and suspect anything
He was trying to be sneaky and get in and out. That was his plan. If Mercy didn't catch him, he would have taken the file and walked right out. He wouldn't have suspected a thing.

>Why do you think Mercy knew he would be there?
Because she is an assistant and would be wandering around the entire facility during an event to make sure things are going smoothly.

>Obviously he couldnt
Why? His plan was for Batman to get the rock. If Batman was going after it, he was already planning to kill Superman.
This is all based around the idea that Batman would kill lots of people in the street then Superman would show up and do nothing.

>Because thats what Superman does?
But then Superman just lets him go. Did Lex know he'd do that? Why did Lex assume that? Why did Superman let the other guys flee? Did Lex know he'd do that too?

> Are you really asking why Lex thought Superman would stop a masked criminal from stealing?
So far you're assuming that Lex knows
>Batman wants the Kryptonite to kill Superman
>Batman will get into a violent car chase and attract Superman
>Superman will show up before Batman can get the rock
>Superman will let the truck with the rock leave, despite using military grade weapons on the street
>Superman will then confront Batman and let him go so that he can later get the rock
Is Lex psychic?

>>93122381
>What I'm saying is if these people weren't written fucking stupidly

Which people? Who else even had access to these bullets other than Lois and the government?

File: The_gesture_by_pain_art-d851ql8.jpg (43KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

43KB, 1280x720px

>>93122566
>the government covered the whole thing up
No they didn't, this character literally existed just to tell people what had happened there.

>>93122366
>Because there is no reason to suspect they are criminals, they are just legally protecting military grade materials.
Does Superman at any point suspect Batman of attacking private or government vehicles with military equipment and getting into drawn out gunfights on the street?
He knows Batman goes after criminals. Why wouldn't he assume the truck with machine guns was full of criminals?

>he had a problem with Batman stealing from a seemingly innocent business man and killing people in the process
And he just lets Batman go with a warning? He knows Batman killed people and lets him just leave?
He had a problem before because Batman was sending criminals to jail.

>He probably did have kryptonite to keep it in check
An assumption based on nothing. He had enough for a scalpel. He couldn't control Doomsday with a scalpel.

>Because he was contracted to make many military weapons with it
What would the point of that be after Superman was dead?
He didn't state he was expecting another shipment soon

>>93122515
>how do you guys keep missing the government cover up part of this?
Because at no point does the government covering anything up play into the story other than explaining everyone is an idiot for not connecting the magic bullets to Lex.
If super special bullets were found at a random guerilla camp, the obvious question would be who supplied them with the equipment.
Nobody besides a random reporter asked that question.
Lex is later seen having to kill Senators because he can't get the government to let him ship in a random rock sample

This clearly points out that Lex is not working with the government or parts of it.

>>93122582
>How? Through leaking information to white slavers?
No, they just led him to the KGBeast (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwiNzV6QMog), who then let Bruce steal the info from his phone that Lex wanted him to have.


>He was trying to be sneaky and get in and out. That was his plan. If Mercy didn't catch him, he would have taken the file and walked right out. He wouldn't have suspected a thing.
Well either way he doesnt suspect a thing, so it all works out. Lex also wanted to make sure Bruce came back to the party to have his chat with Clark. Its like you didnt even watch the movie.


>Because she is an assistant and would be wandering around the entire facility during an event to make sure things are going smoothly.
But she isnt wandering around for most it.
>This is all based around the idea that Batman would kill lots of people in the street then Superman would show up and do nothing.
No, he just wanted Bruce to make a scene. If he didnt and stole it stealthily, that would have worked too. Lex had many plans, as said earlier. But the way it ended up playing out also worked.


>Did Lex know he'd do that?
Probably didnt matter, if Superman put Batman in jail Lex would have found a way to break him out, or would have just moved straight to his Doomsday plan.


>Why did Superman let the other guys flee?
It was explained in the very post you were responding to
>Because there is no reason to suspect they are criminals, they are just legally protecting military grade materials. And I guess in the DCUniverse gatling guns are legal for military related transportation.

Can you not read?


>Is Lex psychic?
Nah, he just had many plans and was willing to adapt depending on what happened. Like a genius super villain should do.

>>93122660
Not really, she was paid to lie to the public and did. She revealed the truth to a single person and was killed for it.

>>93122814
>Like a genius super villain should do
>really convoluted and nonsense plans that predict specific character reactions that go against established character is super genius level planning
I like how bad writing and super duper awesomely good writing are indistinguishable in your eyes

>>93122698
>Does Superman at any point suspect Batman of attacking private or government vehicles with military equipment and getting into drawn out gunfights on the street?

Well yes, because thats exactly what it looks like Batman is doing, and is exactly what he is doing. Technically, Lex and the guards werent doing anything illegal there at all. They were sanctioned by the govt to bring that Kryptonite in.


>And he just lets Batman go with a warning? He knows Batman killed people and lets him just leave?
He let him go because he had recently, as Clark, interviewed all the people of Gotham and knows he has a history of being a hero. Hence why he tells him to bury the bat. This was Bruce's first time manslaughter/killing people so Superman gives him an opportunity to just walk away from the life all together. A token for his previous service as a hero.


>He had a problem before because Batman was sending criminals to jail.
No, he had a problem with Batman branding his criminals which was seemingly a death sentence (even thought that part was engineered by Lex).


>An assumption based on nothing.
No, its based on the fact that he is smart, that he was contracted to make kryptonite based weapons for the govt, and that he had the kryptonite scalpel, which proves he had some more kryptonite somewhere.
>What would the point of that be after Superman was dead?
Because other kryptonians might exist? Because he wants to fufil the contract and get the money? Because the other kryptonians are just in the phantom zone, which they escaped from once before?


>He didn't state he was expecting another shipment soon
>hurr durr if he did say it explicitly then it cant be true!!!
>what are context clues

>>93122401
"REALLY" is not answering the challenge.
Not that I expect you to. You'd have to actually read comics in order to.

>>93122983
>Well yes, because thats exactly what it looks like Batman is doing, and is exactly what he is doing.
Okay so here's a follow up question.
If Superman thinks Batman has gone off the deep end , is getting people killed, and is now attacking people that are just doing their jobs, why doesn't he hand Batman over to the police? Why's he just issue a threat and fly off?

>>93122783
>Because at no point does the government covering anything up play into the story other than explaining everyone is an idiot for not connecting the magic bullets to Lex.

But thats not true, it plays pretty fundamentally into the story. Its why Lois was there to begin with, because the rebels that she was interviewing were funded by the govt. It was the reason why Lex was so easily able to blame it on Superman, because the govt/military/DARPA was covering up all the info that said otherwise. And Lex framing Superman is the whole reason he is given the kryptonite weapons contract.


Its like you didnt even watch the film.
>If super special bullets were found at a random guerilla camp, the obvious question would be who supplied them with the equipment.
Right, but like I keep saying, they werent found there except by Lois and the government that covered it up.


>Nobody besides a random reporter asked that question.
Because no one else had that information with which to ask the question.
>Lex is later seen having to kill Senators because he can't get the government to let him ship in a random rock sample
Yes, because DARPA, the military, and the senate are different parts of the government. Do you not understand separation of powers?

>>93122922
>really convoluted and nonsense plans that predict specific character reactions that go against established character is super genius level planning

But its the opposite of that. He doesnt predict any one thing, he predicts a number of possible responses and changes parts accordingly.

>>93122922
its amazing how bad you are at reading comprehension. Its literally the opposite of predicting super specific character reactions to things. Its having a plan that works regardless of the response because there are many different mechanisms with which to achieve the same outcome.

>>93123054
>If Superman thinks Batman has gone off the deep end , is getting people killed, and is now attacking people that are just doing their jobs, why doesn't he hand Batman over to the police? Why's he just issue a threat and fly off?

Its answered IN the post you replied to

>He let him go because he had recently, as Clark, interviewed all the people of Gotham and knows he has a history of being a hero. Hence why he tells him to bury the bat. This was Bruce's first time manslaughter/killing people so Superman gives him an opportunity to just walk away from the life all together. A token for his previous service as a hero.

>>93123065
That's even fishier then, so there's a bunch of bullet wholes everywhere around where Superman supposedly killed these people yet no casings? That's like putting up a billboard saying "Covert operations happened here."

>>93122986
What challenge? You just said "NUH-UH IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN A COMIC!"

Thats not a challenge, thats you being retarded. And this all stems from you demanding an explanation to something that doesnt matter. It could just be a bluff that if anything happens to him she dies. But that wasnt the point, the point is that Superman cant/wont risk it.


Are you telling me a hero has never been out-bluffed or by a villain before? Are you trying to say a villain always explains every single part of his plan to a hero every single time?

>>93123065
>Do you not understand separation of powers?
Good point, there actually would've been multiple investigations done by different branches of the government, and these kind of sloppy mistakes wouldn't have passed under their watchful eyes.

>>93123172
Fishy to WHO? Who do you think had access to this site? Who do you think was investigating this place?

>>93123242
>there actually would've been multiple investigations done by different branches of the government

No there wouldnt have been, this was in a foreign country with no american forces involved. DARPA or the military came in and swept it up.

Show me an equivalent event that happened in the middle east with multiple government bodies investigating.

Hell, even in the US right now, there is only a single government body doing an investigation on possible ELECTION FRAUD.


You a dumb man.

>>93123245
An event like this would be fucking massive, every single news/intelligence agency would be clamoring to see where it all went down and what happened.

Better question: Why did the Kryptonite spear do more damage to Superman than breathing in the Kryptonite gas?

>>93120104
they were robots

>>93123349
But thats not what happened, you are just making stuff up because thats how you "feel" it should happen. The only people who had access to the site at the time where bullet shells were there were the people who covered it up and Lois.


Lets say, for the sake of argument, that after the government gets rid of all the bullets and guns and evidence that some other investigator DOES investigate and find a bunch of bullet holes. So what? Its suspicious that there are bullet holes in a hostile military zone?

>>93123383
because one is concentrated the other is very diluted and a fine dust. Also the stone made him weaker for a shorter amount of time, while the dust made him not as weak but for longer.

>>93123421

Further, why didn't they just leave it to Wonder Woman? I mean, she practically solo'd the thing.

>>93123317
Yes because a seemingly indestructible alien with godlike powers, enough to destroy the planet is on trial for murder, that's the same as election fraud. Every single world power would be investigating this.

>>93119234
>Lex never planned for that to happen
Lex planned for every fucking thing in that movie, which is how he was on top of things that he had no fucking way to know about.

>>93123668
So he's omniscient?

>>93123360
Oh yeah, the whole movie can just be explained away, assuming of course that Lex is just too smart, smart enough that he never has to explain his reasoning either. This is how dummies write smart people.

File: 117175456446.jpg (92KB, 384x313px) Image search: [Google]

92KB, 384x313px

>>93123775
He's actually god and since he's all powerful he can't be good?

>>93120395
He's stifling a smile in the picture, are you blind?

File: Xz3ppjuh.jpg (58KB, 450x472px) Image search: [Google]

58KB, 450x472px

>>93123973
looks like confusion to me.

>>93123461
Because she was busy keeping Doomsday tied up and couldnt fly. Also Superman is the kind of person to put himself in danger first.

>>93124189
Confusion as to why Batman would advertise it was him that commited grand larceny

>>93123493
Superman had already been around for two years and was going to be on trial anyway, what is there to investigate? Like the government goes in, does their investigation, and keeps it off limits to the rest of the world. Now what? How, in your mind, does another group get to investigating this? Especially when the trial happens shortly afterward.

Lets say, for the sake of argument, that after the government gets rid of all the bullets and guns and evidence that some other investigator DOES investigate and find a bunch of bullet holes. So what? Its suspicious that there are bullet holes in a hostile military zone?

>>93123872
What are you saying? All of the points brought up have been debunked by actual points in the movie? Are you saying that when someone has a question or is wrong about something it SHOULDNT be explained?

>>93124189
Well looks like he is stifling a smile to me. And even if he wasnt, he is IN FRONT OF COPS AND CAMERAS AND DETECTIVES, of course he is going to play the part he should be playing.


Man u dumb.

>>93124342
>confused why a man with a bat symbol on his bat costume, using bat shaped devices and vehicles, with a bat signal messaging system would want people to realize a bat themed person did this
Maybe he wasn't so smart

It was also part of Lex's plan that he'd fail and go to jail. That's why he let his hair grow out, because he knew they would shave it when he got to prison.

>>93124485
>taking a shitpost from a namefag seriously

man you are so goddamn dumb

>>93124564
>REEEEEE STOP PAYING ATTENTION TO THE MOVIE AND EXPLAINING THINGS I MISSED, LEX CANT BE THIS SMART, ITS NOT ALL APART OF HIS PLAN, REEEEEEEE THIS MOVIE IS DUMB

>>93124659
Did someone fluster your custard?

>>93125151

Probably because most of the complaints in this thread are explained in the movie but no one making these complaints seemed to actually pay any attention

>>93124432
I'm not the same anon you fucking moron. He simply looks confused to me, keep your arguments straight.

>>93124390
Why would America be the only ones allowed to investigate on foreign soil?

>>93123215
bruh I'm surprised you have bothered with arguing with this kind of autism
He's never going to be satisfied and will always been finding faults with your explanation

>>93124390
What is there to investigate? Superman, an extraterrestrial god with actual magic powers is no big deal, sure.

>>93125608
because America was funding both the rebels and the government and we do the same shit all the time in real life. There are tons of places in Africa where we just take over.

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/31/u-s-special-operations-numbers-surge-in-africas-shadow-wars/

In fact we have a whole command center in Africa because of how large of presence we have there

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Africa_Command

And like was already said,

Lets say, for the sake of argument, that after the government gets rid of all the bullets and guns and evidence that some other investigator DOES investigate and find a bunch of bullet holes. So what? Its suspicious that there are bullet holes in a hostile military zone?


so even if there were other investigators, so what?

>>93125655
yeah because your arguments rely on assumptions that characters must have done things behind the scenes or thought things through just because their plans happen to work out, with little to no explanation as to how their plans actually worked out. Another thing you guys have pointed out for me in this thread is the lack of agency Batman get's throughout the story. Hes basically just a tool Lex uses for his master plan even though Batman is himself a genius.

>>93125861
Answer this question:

Lets say, for the sake of argument, that after the government gets rid of all the bullets and guns and evidence that some other investigator DOES investigate and find a bunch of bullet holes. So what? Its suspicious that there are bullet holes in a hostile military zone?

>>93125861
Okay he is definitely a super alien god man. And? What evidence would anyone find if the bullets were already cleaned up and gone?

>>93116798
>He doesn't seem particularly unhappy about it being gone.

That's because moot played him so badly he never seems very anything about anything other than a bit unhinged sometimes.

Lex's plan was retarded.

>>93126046
>yeah because your arguments rely on assumptions that characters must have done things behind the scenes or thought things through just because their plans happen to work out

What is one argument made in this thread that relies on that?


>Hes basically just a tool Lex uses for his master plan even though Batman is himself a genius.

Congrats, you just realized the same thing Batman realized. He was blinded by anger and wasnt acting very rationally at all, and let himself be taken advantage of as a result.

>>93116798
why would batman leave a batarang?...

>>93126040
The bullet holes aren't suspicious, it's the fact that someone carefully removed all the shell casings. Not to mention those bullet holes contain ghost bullets. If the Govt tried to remove those bullets it would look even more suspicious. Just admit it's a dumb plot point. Anyone operating in Africa is going to be using low grade ammo because there is literally no need to cover it up.

>>93126162
Why did they use that anyways? Just so Lois would start investigating something then eventually kidnap her anyways?

>>93126100
Because Bruce's Zorro fetish.

>>93126220
To give Lois something to do that would be ultimately pointless since Lex reveals himself as the villain anyhow so her investigation into discovering him as a badguy was 100000% wasted reel.

>>93126162>>93126220
>>93126284


>it's the fact that someone carefully removed all the shell casings
>Not to mention those bullet holes contain ghost bullets

holy shit you are retarded. No one would care. Bullet casings go missing all the time, especially in the middle of a fucking desert with sandstorms. And they arent "ghost holes" because because they have no idea who caused ANY of the holes that would be there (and there would be LOTS of holes because its a terrorist military base).

>Why did they use that anyways?

They used them BECAUSE Lex knew it would force a government cover up, which he utilizes to cover up his own plan.


> Just so Lois would start investigating something then eventually kidnap her anyways?

So that Lois could prove Clark didnt kill those people in Africa.

>>93126384
>So that Lois could prove Clark didnt kill those people in Africa.

That's circular reasoning. The purpose of that scene happening at all as it did was to give Lois something to do which then ultimately became pointless. What people are saying is that the entire scene was completely unnecessary aside from being internally retarded. The idea that the scene is justified because it answers its own questions is silly since removing the scene entirely solves those questions by having them never asked to begin with and the questions were a problem in the logic of the film anyhow so it would be better to remove it. You have nothing here.

>>93126384
finding bullet casings is a common practice in investigations. No they don't 'just disappear' investigators know what a clandestine operation looks like, one of the most suspicious things is a lack of bullet casings around the scene. It's the reason why operators, no matter wherever they are, go out of their way to use inconspicuous weapons when they're trying to be secretive. And there would be no need for any cover up if they did their job right.

>>93121782
"Bruce I was wrong..."

if bats took a minute to process that, it would've changed everything.

>>93125265
So, to be clear
Getting caught WAS part of Lex's plan?

>>93127154

He's a smart guy

>>93127154
It probably thought it was a possibility as he already got himself excused from trial with an insanity plea.

ITT: People to autistic to read facial expressions

He was clearly smiling when he realised Batman took the Kryptonite.

>>93126889
>if bats took a minute to process that, it would've changed everything.

But he didn't because he was blinded by rage, which is the whole point.

>>93120693
Because he brought it in illegally

>>93120693
Senator Finch blocked his import licence, so he had to smuggle the Kryptonite. Most of the people who hate this movie are clearly just idiots who didn't understand the story.

>>93127479
exactly!

but he was able to process "martha" even when he was full of bloodlust.

makes you wonder if Clark should've started with that.

>>93128812
>makes you wonder if Clark should've started with that.

Clark didn't know their moms had the same name.

>>93118545
Granny's peach tea made sense. Everything else was silly.

>>93120357
Why would killing Batman make Superman a bad guy? A lot of people think Batman is dangerous, and Superman already killed Zod. What does it matter if he kills a crazy man in a bat suit?
>>93119751
Lex actually had one plan too many! I mean, what was he going to do about Doomsday if it killed everyone? The answer: die like a bitch.

>>93128896
>My mother got kidnapped, i need your help.
>what's her name?
>martha.
>let's go bro!

>>93116798
Of course

>>93128998
>Superman already killed Zod. What does it matter if he kills a crazy man in a bat suit?

Zod was an alien, Batman is a human.

>>93128998
>Lex actually had one plan too many! I mean, what was he going to do about Doomsday if it killed everyone? The answer: die like a bitch.

Seems like he doesn't care if the Earth gets destroyed considering in his last scene he was gleeful over the coming of Darkseid.

I think a good way to understand Lex is this quote from the movie Tombstone.

>Wyatt Earp: What makes a man like Ringo, Doc? What makes him do the things he does?
>Doc Holliday: A man like Ringo has got a great big hole, right in the middle of him. He can never kill enough, or steal enough, or inflict enough pain to ever fill it.
>Wyatt Earp: What does he need?
>Doc Holliday: Revenge.
>Wyatt Earp: For what?
>Doc Holliday: Bein' born.

This movie was way too subtle for mainstream audiences.

>>93129004
I assume that was going to be within the first paragraph but he kept getting hit with booby traps. >>93121925
To be fair because the Batbrand.
Apparently the deleted scenes had it revealed that was more Lex's doing as well. The point was it was supposed to make Batman look like he was somehow setting up for these men being exected

>>93129623
yup.

once you get the context (he doesn't really want to fight bats and needs his help actually), the whole "why doesn't he just heat vision the bastard?" gets an answer.

>>93116798
I figured Lex wanted the kryptonite for himself, and assumed Batman was resourceful enough to fight Superman in some other way. Batman stealing the kryptonite to use against Superman was just a happy accident.

>>93129215

Except Lex wasn't a "watch the world burn" type like Ringo. He hated Superman because (insert Snyder's term paper on cultural societies in the west here) so he wanted Clark dead and seemingly engineered all this bullshit to get it done.

>>93129103

>Seems like he doesn't care if the Earth gets destroyed considering in his last scene he was gleeful over the coming of Darkseid.

I think the implication of that scene is that he didn't know about Darkseid until that scene with Steppenwolf right before he got arrested, which broke the last shreds of his sanity.

>>93126493

I still have no idea why the Superman Committee wasn't about the Zod invasion. What the fuck was the point of adding a new "tragedy" instead of building of the back of your previous fucking movie, an event that even the audiences felt was handled poorly and thus could be used to actual dramatic and thematic weight?

It feels like BvS isn't even a sequel to MoS outside of the cast. The characters are all totally different on a personality level because of a bunch of events we didn't see, and none of the ideas MoS set up are paid of in favour of a bunch of new ideas Snyder/Terrio/Goyer wanted to try out.