What I've learned about artists who take commissions, /co/:

>>93094695
Have you tried not being a pervert?

>>93094695
>affordable
most artists don't even charge 10% of what a professional would

>>93094695
more like pick two

>>93094695
I'm a rich motherfucker (70,000 income), so afforable won't be a bother for me.

I feel like throwing away 30 bucks whos a good person to commison

>>93094771
What's your fetish then?

I am pretty sure that I am most of that, but
>affordable

Also, what is the fetish?

>>93094695
Don't forget timely.

>>93094806

Hi, I'm here to shill myself.

>>93094806
Me

>willing to draw your fetish
there's very little I won't do should I start up commissions. very little many people won't do too

>Available
what's that mean in an age of instant media?

>>93094966
>Doesn't even post a portfolio pic
This fucking amateur hour.

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>>93095005
You better believe it.

>>93095004
"Currently taking commissions"

>>93095004
>what's that mean in an age of instant media?

I am always having to turn down people, because I have 3 months full of planed comissions ahead.

So probably that.

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>>93094806
Currently drawing something at the moment.

>>93095052
>>93095055
fair enough
but I see a lot of other artists with even better skill not getting commissioned. I think you just need to search more

>>93094695
Professional illustrators would probably charge upwards from 200-300 for any kind of pic, so I always find it funny when people are whining that 40 is too much for something that probably takes hours of work

But of course when you're paying from your own pocket it can seem a lot when there's lots of digital images online viewable for free

>>93094806
Shilling
http://alexdealey.deviantart.com/gallery/

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>>93095145
Yeah, that's something that really irks me about /trash/, /aco/ and /d/. They HATE Patreon and think commissions should be enough to sustain the artist's lifestyle, but when they raise their commission prices to a livable wage they will bitch about the artist charging too much.

Nigger, it's one or the other, unless you want artists to not be able to live off their work.

>>93095149
Jesus, where do you find the motivation? I mean I'm patently terrible, yet only find the tiniest amount of reason (& time) to create. I think my most popular piece was bad enough that I'm mildly ashamed of it.

>>93095250
This.

And artists being able to live of their works means more quality for the kind of content that you likes.

>>93095279
Not him, but I isnt so hard...drawfag on /co/ until you have a fanbase, draw for fandons, but only things that YOU like and such. You just have to find a balance between what you like and what others like.

>>93095149
>http://alexdealey.deviantart.com/gallery/
>shading with black
I'm going to fucking puke

>>93095004
Would you draw dorses?

>>93095250
why hate patreon? you could pay 60 for a peice or pay 60 in spans of 5. point is you can pay the same shit and patreon is much more stable and livable

>>93095250
Yeah
I know a lot of freelance photographers for reasons, and they all say that 100€/hour is kinda the industry minimum, and people with any sort of reputation name will charge something like 1500€/ full work day (8 hours) for professional gigs.
This is necessary because a creative freelancer has no employer to pay the govt for their pension fund or stuff, the taxing is much harsher, there's loads of payments to the state you have to make, and also you have to cover the hours when you're not working, there's no employer giving you paid vacation or sick days and so on. If you want to make a living from freelancing it's hard.

So if you think of how long it takes to plan, sketch, do the lineart, clean it up, and color a nice illustration (for me, a good pic would literally take days), it's definitely some hours if not days.

So, someone charging something like 20 per picture, well, they're either very fast, or they earn their primary income from somewhere else so they can afford to do cheap-ass commissions as a side hobby for pocket money with 3€/hour or shit like that (and probably don't pay taxes if they only do it occasionally). Nothing wrong with that of course, it's absolutely awesome that people are willing to do commissions for peanuts because they like to draw, so that people who don't have a lot of money can commission stuff.

But complaining about some artists asking for proper prices seems so bitchy to me.

>>93094695
how much can you realistically make with patreon + comissions?

>>93095355
yeah sure, I'd actually enjoy it for the colors and simple but unique style

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I would draw cheap
Here's something i did today

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we /co/mmission thread now?

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>>93094695
I commission artists on DeviantArt, so I can tell you the first three are accurate at least.

>>93094806
http://dahliawilder.deviantart.com/
http://kangdanista.deviantart.com/
http://minimimineko.deviantart.com/
http://papillonstudio.deviantart.com/
http://vesenia.deviantart.com/

>>93095406
how good are you and what are you willing to draw?

Unless you have a huge following you probably won't make much on patreon, but there's reason why furry commissions are a meme.

>>93095461
Lacks a shoulder
hand is too small
even for fetishit the proportions are wrong
>paintbcket
hand has only two fingers
one leg goes in the wrong direction, the other one seems impossible

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>>93095250
>livable wage

>>93095513
>how good are you
i definetly need a bunch of practice before i can consider making a patreon, im currently struggeling with digital stuff since im kind of afraid of using my tablet
>willing to draw
as long as i get paid,i dont have to sign anything with my name after all

>>93095403
I get that pro level vs amatuer is miles apart in value but it's really sad to see people undercharge themselves.
there's a guy on /aco/ doing sketches for tree fiddy, and though he's shit, he ought to charge at least minimum wage. come'on

>>93095581
it's not about your skill level but your popularity

>>93095536
nothing wrong with disliking starvation

>>93095626
well im a nobody and i have no idea how to get any attention
i figured i spend all day drawing already, it would be cool to make a buck or two from it

>>93094695
>Available, affordable, talented, willing to draw your fetish.
honestly I'd say talented is the least important of those four traits(if mostly because /co/ has way too high of standards for what it considers talented)

>>93095145
>>93095250
way I see it, 99% of the artists on Deviantart & Tumblr are nowhere near good enough to be paid at the professional rate for commissions, like paying above 20 bucks for a single pic would be a huge ripoff on the consumer's end for most artists

>>93095762
oh fuck off, if you don't like the way the artist draws don't fucking comission them

>>93095762
>99% of the artists on Deviantart & Tumblr are nowhere near good enough to be paid at the professional rate
Yes, that's a good point, should have probably touched on that somehow.

It's always a case of supply and demand and also skill level. Imo people can price themselves how they want, and if their work just isn't good enough to earn those prices no-one will want to commission them, and they can either deal with that or lower their prices. It's about how do people want to price their time vs how badly do they want to get commissioned. If someone's a shit-tier no-name beginner obv they have to price themselves real low, but it's their choice.

My point just was that drawing takes time, it's a lot of working hours, so if someone actually is good enough that their work is worth near-pro prices ("talented") I don't get other people complaining about it. If someone is willing to pay the prices the artist asks, maybe they're right to price their efforts that way.

Everyone has the choice to just not commission someone asking too much and take their business elsewhere, after all.

>>93095997

This and OP are talking truth. If you want a good artist who's willing to draw your weird shit, you gotta pay. If he undercharges, he'll be swamped with commissions and won't have time to take yours. It's basic supply and demand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

I've seen so many amazingly talented but also supremely nice artists undercharge for their work and get burned out on commissions entirely. If you see a good artist offering $20 commissions, don't get too attached.

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>>93095506
DeeForce is also good for cheap mugshots.

http://deeforce.deviantart.com/

>>93094752
>this

>>93095355
Only if I can draw the puffy lip version

>>93095997
>takes me +12 hours from sketch to full colour render (6000px)
>$120
>$10 per hour
>just keep saying I'm too busy for commissions

Someday I'll get my life together and get a job, and then I can spend my paycheck commissioning dykeshit. The question is who should I pay.

>>93097808
Dykeshit huh? There's not too many who are really good at that, all of the best western porn artists are huge faggots (yes futa is gay) and the ones that DO draw women have fallen for the "thicc" meme and give them ridiculous proportions to cover up their lack of anatomy knowledge.

>>93098288
You sound like you have shit taste

>>93098573
You sound like you'd love to eat a "chick's" cock.

Fuck your experiences; I got an artist who had a picture starring my fetish in good quality, fullu colored and for 20$ in a week.

>>93099940
That's fucking awesome and I sincerely hope you appreciate what a treasure you've managed to find

>>93100062
EDJim was the name; you can look him up in WHentai if you'd like

>>93100091
Aw man thanks
Not looking to commission atm but that's real sweet of ya

>>93099940
Can he do Wonder Woman lying naked on a disheveled bed with Batman's cape draped over her waist and her star-spangled panties over the bed post? It's for a photo shoot reference.

>>93100091
not bad
was it a full color like those? $20 is rather low.

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>>93100176
Whatever for a perverted anon friend.

>>93100224
Full color. It was a year or two ago; I ignore if his policies have changed since then. But yeah, I got it full colored. I might be able to rescue the written exchange we had.

>>93095250
This so much. I don't even enjoy my favorite fetishes on /d/ because the threads are always taken over by a bunch of whiny entitled brats screeching about "paywalls"

>>93100204
Ask him, not me. He probably could, but that's from what I can gather.

>>93100259
>Full color.
really undercharging then

>It was a year or two ago; I ignore if his policies have changed since then.
I'll see if I can check

>I might be able to rescue the written exchange we had.
please do

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>>93100224
>>93100259
Found them.

1/2

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>>93100314

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>>93100314
>>93100343
looks like they haven't upped it much, but this is a weird site to navigate off the bat. still pretty cool if it pays artists

thanks for sifting through to find these senpai, can never have too much insight
you both seem like really cool people

>>93100541
It used to be much easier to get by a year ago. Most pictures were accessible as well for free; they changed that relatively recently and now you need to have paid up some subscription to visualize most of them.
Still, some of the artists are are quite talented. Edward was quite pleasant to work with; very professional and very friendly. He will even give you different sketches for you to choose from.
And hey, you seem pretty cool too. Have fun with whatever perverted fantasies of you you get to see come true!

I feel so warm-hearted now that this thread seems to have brought some potential customers to a reasonably good yet overlooked artist

>>93100675
There are some hints of goodness in 4chan; this is one of them. I for once feel very happy to have helped out a guy who provided such a good service to me in the past.

>>93100615
>And hey, you seem pretty cool too. Have fun with whatever perverted fantasies of you you get to see come true!
thanks senpai. actually I'm looking to do commissions (much later) mostly just to make clients like you happy. commissioning does sound fun too

I do commissions, but i hear people that i undercharge my work, but others tell me the prices are fine. so i don't know who to believe

>>93101249
always aim higher if you're still gonna get clientele regardless
should be no more than industry pros and no less than minimum wage no matter the skill

>>93095677
Upload stuff to newgrounds or even deviant art.
Award commisions to random people who follow/share ECT on social media.
Get feedback in the process.
I personally recommend newgrounds but no need to limit yourself to one place.
Newgrounds has a lot of feedback from other artists, with enough feedback and practice(this forevor) you can get good, get a following and start charging money.

>>93101578
I see
thanks for the input anon
I live in a 3rd world shithole, so dollars are a blessing for me anyways

>>93102241
no one has to know. so you get even more money on par with your peers and also don't cheapen the trade. everyone wins
good luck

>>93101682
>Get feedback in the process.
haha no, that fucking ruins your ambition to continue further because suddenly you have to change because some guy doesn't like it

>>93102705
You don't have to change, but it's good to be able to look at your stuff with a critical eye, consider what might be bad, what someone else considers a flaw, and then use that by whatever measure you find useful

Like someone can say that thing x is totally fucked up, and you can look at it, see that they might have a point, and improve your usage of x but not drop it completely

>>93102705
Forgot to add that theres a lot of colab projects and contests to keep you motivated.
Constructive criticism and some average youtube commentor saying"ur art is 2 gay" are totally diffetent.
I see artists giving tips on using digital tools and general art advice all the time.

Is there some kind of masterlist/archive for active artists who are open for commissions (based on what they'll be willing to draw/what they'll charge/etc.)?

It's so fucking hard to keep track of so many at once, especially if they don't all collectively flock to the same sites.

>>93100314
>>93100343
Doesn't this guy trace Legoman drawings? Fuck him.

Does anyone here use Ko-fi?

>>93104753
it would be thousands of artists, what's the point

>>93104753
A whole site that just has numerous artist's commission info seems like a good idea. You make a little account and check off things you're willing to draw, prices, etc, and then give links to the different sites you post your artwork on.

Would there be any issues with something like that.

>>93105201
I have an account but nobody has ever dropped money into it.

You mean as like a way to commission an artist and pay digitally instead of paypal? Or as a tip jar alternative to patreon?

>>93094720
I tried. Didn't work. I think I'll try being rich instead.

>>93105359
>>93104753
/aco/'s got a Google Doc list of some commission artists, and i think /cgl/ does too, but it's mixed media rather than specific on /cgl/
>makes for a good research to figure out how to make a personal list

>>93101682
>newgrounds over DA

Really? Genuine question. Does it depend on what you draw as to which site is better? Is doing 34 the only way to get paid drawing?

How do I find people who can draw good feet, I know they're tough to draw but someone out there has to be good enough at it

>>93105525
You'd probably have a better time asking in /aco/ and providing a method of contact

>>93101682
Good to know Newgrounds is still active after all these years. Used to hate the hugbox aspect to girls drawings

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I'll draw your kink for a dollar.

>>93107758
Not sure if you're saying newgrounds is a hugbox or DA.
Violence and moreso recently porn are common there(ng)
>>93105474
Newgrounds has been more welcoming to adult stuff in recent years, even front paging it. The weirder stuff(sanic inflation porn) is harder to find on NG than DA though.
Although I've seen an image of a demon birthing a pony in horrible creepy detail on NG, done for laughs.
Drawing fetishes/porn definitely yeilds
money easier, be it 34 or otherwise.
Easiest money is to add dicks to girl characters these days.
It's hard for veiwers to pinch pennies when they're hand(s) is busy fapping.
That said, I've seen lucrative to decent art careers from things like pixel art I.E. Paul Robertson, who's made [as] bumps and work for OK cookie(cards against humanity).

>>93105474
>Is doing 34 the only way to get paid drawing?
Not the anon you replied to, but I used to do some non-lewd commissions in the past. The people who commissioned me had their own OCs and wrote stories about them. Some of them had full stories written, some had just a pile of haphazard character concepts. Amateur writers have personal attachment to their own creations and can often be eager to see their characters as drawn by other people. You can see it on /co/ too; every once in a while we have threads where some aspiring comic writer asks how to find an artist for their project (usually they have a pretty poor sense of how much the work should be worth though, and they're trying to find an artist who's willing to work for an overly cheap price or even for free).

I'm surprised about the other anon recommending Newgrounds over DA too. I thought it's lost most of the relevance it used to have.

>>93105474
Oh, forgot to add:
Due to the rating system on newgrounds
You aren't likely competing with drawings of crude animu characters on line paper done by some bored 13 year old girl in math class for veiwership.
Also, DA has that premium account BS that plays into the front page.

DA likely has more users though, if number of eyes is important.
No reason not to use both to advertise a patreon/your work.

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I'm open for commission, /co/. MJ isn't doing it for me anymore, so I want to graduate to something classy like cocaine.

>>93108662
Pretty gross post all around

>>93108662
>going from the devil's lettuce to blood sherbet
>not psychedelics

>>93097797
nigger for a full render at 6000px you should be charging no less than $200

>>93099896
You sound like you don't know how to view art

>>93094752
Opportunity costs. Pros charge what they'd make doing studio or freelance work because they can't do those things while they're working on your thing.

>>93108662
oh shit, noice
post prices

>>93110855
I think (assuming their pro level) their art is worth so much more than that generally. I remember a comic strip that went something like
>client-why should I pay so much for something that took you 20 minutes?
>artist-because it took me 20 years to do so
at least $20 an hour, maybe more considering what >>93095403 said

>>93111645
That's based on an old possibly apocryphal Picasso story and it's kind of a dumb lesson because as any barista with a liberal arts degree can tell you years of study doesn't make what you produce valuable. It's whether what you produce is something anyone wants to pay for.

>>93111765
>It's whether what you produce is something anyone wants to pay for.
Different anon but yeah, this is a painful factor in creative fields. Someone can dedicate insane hours and blood, sweat and tears to a piece, but if it just isn't that good the spent time alone won't make it worth high prices.

At the same time if someone's spent years and years honing their craft and improving their skills to the point where they're now able to do amazing stuff in a relatively short time, it doesn't mean they should be paid less. It's kinda vague and essentially comes down to "is someone willing to pay the price I ask or not"

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>tfw you discover an artist early enough that you are able to get all those attributes and get a couple pieces before the artist explodes in popularity driving up price and lowering availability

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>mfw i discover that I can make a patreon funde porn VN that I will update slowly and will take me 4 years to finish or more, all the while making absurd amounts a month and do what I enjoy without ever needing to do another commission for anyone again.

>>93111765
>>93111808
>you years of study doesn't make what you produce valuable
thats why I said assuming they're pro level
true demand shapes it as well but I think it shouldn't completely determin it's value. I mean, no one NEEDS a 5 star restaurant trip but it's still pretty pricey because it's quality service

>>93111976
as shitty as it is I also find it kinda great because it shows people have the money and are willing to part with it
if anything do the porn vn at a snail's pace and do what you really wanted with the money

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>>93094695
>thinly veiled commission shill thread
Nice.

I'm looking for someone to draw a phone lock screen of my husbando. No fetish content whatsoever. Post tumblrs

>>93112357
funkyjupiter-art.tumblr.com