What other shows have taken hated characters and made them good

>>93055863
You're not counting pic related, are you?

>>93055863
Got any examples, OP? One or two might jog my memory.

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>>93055918
Pretty much everyone hated Lars before.
Now he's a beloved character who redeemed himself and built upon his character.

>>93055863
WTF I love Lars now!

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>>93055962
I don't want this too be just a Lars thread.
I legit am asking if there have been hated characters who have redeemed themselves and became loved by the fans.

>>93055863
>hated characters
y'all are just butthurt that you had bad taste

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>>93056200
I don't think there's any denying that Lars was hated by the fanbase for a while.
But recently with the bomb everyone has falling in love with Lars and want to see more of him.
Its amazing how such a hated character can become so loved in the spam of only 5 to 6 eps.

I always liked Lars ever since he was on that island with Sadie. Dude was a coward and scared all the time but deep down just needed to find courage that Steven had and finally got it when he knew he was alone in space and no help would be coming

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>>93055863
Regular show

I'm really happy when he die
Its just 15 second
Very very disappointed

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>You should get to a safe distance
>I can take it from here

>>93056329
Shame it simultaneously drove Mordecai's likability into the ground.

>>93055979
I think you're projecting your own thoughts onto the rest of the people watch that show.

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>>93055863
Pacifica went from standard bully archetype to everyone being disappointing that she didn't show up more before the finale.

>>93055863
you realize that's subjective right? the entire fanbase doesn't automatically like a character just bc the writers try to make you, ya know?

>>93056268
lars was never ronaldo, so he could never be that hated really.

>>93056898
The irony.....

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So if we take Peggy to space, kill her, revive her, make her hair pink and keep her trapped on an alien planet, would she be redeemed?

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>>93056921
Should of got with Dipper.
Will never not be pissed about that...

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>>93057000
Well did she stop being a coward and put his life at risk to save others because she wanted to change and be a better person like Lars?

How easily impressed do you have to be to have a complete change of heart over Lars because of that dumb shit?

>>93057000

Would probably help, but it'd require Peggy to admit that she has problems. Which, let's face it, is something she is way too egotistical to do.

Followed by fighting some problem that Hank couldn't.

>>93057000
Only if she spent the last two episodes sincerely pointing out how shit she is and then fixed everything and stayed fixed.

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>>93057102
Anon not everything in SU is bad.
The show can do great things at times and Lars redemption was one of them.

>>93057102
consider all the children who post here.

>>93057102
dude, you're talking to the SU fanbase here. they've gone into town hall meeting level discussions just because of 10 second preview clips or if a small hint at potential world building, not even anything of any substance but just the mere implication sends them into a frenzy of wild theories that never end up being true.

>>93057164
>"its not bad, anon, its good, trust me"

>includes screenshot tumblr filename
wow good argument. totally no bias here. i'm convinced.

>>93055863
I never hated lars.

Now Ronaldo I hate and hate even more everytime he appears. The only episodes he was tolerable in were Horror Club and Restaurant Wars.

Even though he attempted to commit murder in the former

>>93057232
>wow good argument. totally no bias here.
He says as he judges me because its a tumblr image.
Anon...you seemned easily triggered.

>>93056811
oh god, this shit right here
this motherfucker plant from the guardians to put a stop to Hal's shit being the big fucking hero
god damn this show was too good

>>93057191
>Anon gets upset that fans passionately love something.
I guess when the GF fanbase or SJ fanbase did this its ok right?

>>93057255
Honest to god if they redeem him then ill be fucking shocked.
At least old Lars had times when he could be likeable.

It's gonna take more than four episodes for me to ignore Lars' faults and suddenly fall in love with him. I will say that I'm pleased with his development and look forward to his future growth back on Earth.

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>>93055863

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Lars needs to get with best gem.
Fuck Sadie's she's a bitch.

>>93057796
>implying her eye isn't in the back of her head.

>>93057348
Not him, but it's always pretty faggy when people go into autism override like that, so no, it's never okay.

>>93055863
>other
Lars still sucks.

>>93057796
"hey everybody, Lars is going to show me what an asshole is, then he's going to turn mine inside out."

... "Padparadscha, Lars, clean that mess up please."

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>>93058172
>Para starts walking backwards.
>Can see the future and present now.
>Was just looking behind herself the whole time.

>>93057000
Well, I'd very much enjoy watching Peggy die, but no one would ever revive Peggy don't even lie.
>>93057049
Did Lars?

>>93057102
You're talking to an SU Fan, you know the answer.

>>93057007
she would have, given more time and more competent writers

>>93059552
>Did Lars?
Watch the episode. His conversations and actions show that he did.

>>93057255
>>93057378
Yeah, my main issue with Lars was that none of his early character development seemed to stick. He'd learn something, then revert back to the status quo until he finally got a real character arc.

But even at his worst he still wasn't as bad as Ronaldo.

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>>93055863
Lars has always been a good character. Everyone is just noticing that now.

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>>93055863
MOVE IT, BUCKO!

>>93060387
>lighting makes his hair look pink
DEEPEST FORESHADOWING

>>93060201
that's what fanfic is for

>>93060437
Winner - Apart from maybe Zuko in Avatar I can't think of a another, better example of a series successfully transitioning a character who is, ostensibly, the antagonist, and revealing them to be one of the most sympathetic and well written characters in the show.

>>93056881
He did that himself.

>>93060437
>>93061034
>Apart from maybe Zuko in Avatar I can't think of a another, better example of a series successfully transitioning a character who is, ostensibly, the antagonist, and revealing them to be one of the most sympathetic and well written characters in the show.

Fuck I think shes one of the best written characters in a cartoon period.

>>93055863
>the moss has become a shiny pink flower gem

fuck this

Certainly not Steven Universe. Lars is still a gigantic faggot and only faggots like him.

>>93060437
Olga!.jpg hahahaha you're evil!

Why is he fucking pink?

>>93061350
The maturity of this board sometime I swear.

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>>93061350
This is an understatement.
Liking Lars is like a stamp saying "Hi, I'm from tumblr"

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>>93062307
Steven has the power to bring the dead back to life,
Lars is now a pink zombie with a portal in his head and will now live forever.

>>93063816
Because he's pink?
Why does this board hate pink now?

>>93061350
You wanna talk about it anon?

"It" being your raging suppressed homosexuality, that is. Homophobes are always fucking gay, becuase the disgust they feel stems from their own arousal.

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>>93062307
Turns out Rose could reanimate the dead with her tears/spit and give them warp powers. Steven inhereted the same power.

>>93063839
Not pink, just Lars, who has been an unlikable hipster douche from the beginning of the series and is not redeemed just because he turned pink. He is as annoying and shitty as he has always been.

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>>93055863

I never hated him, anyone that hated him were triggered fags, he also didn't do anything to "Redeem" himself either, he had to die, gain superpowers and be at the right time and place for people to stop hating him as much, he just had a good moment and that is enough to satisfice the fickle faggots that are the SU fanbase.

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>>93056898
>Not loving Lars now

How can you not love best boi

>>93063871
You didn't actually watch the last few episodes at all m8. He admitted what a dick and coward he is, struggled with being a better person, and then eventually gave his life defending others. He didn't just "turn pink". He fucking died.

>>93057000
>tfw Peggy is the way she is because of her mom
>she grew up never being good enough, even when she was doing exactly as her mom wanted
>she can't admit to being wrong or her mom is right about her
>she falls apart when she realizes she's been deceived or when she has to face her shortcomings directly because she'll never be the truly confident, successful, or happy person she wants to be
>some of her mom's way of parenting bleeds into how she acts around bobby, getting insanely jealous if he shows her up (like at housework and cooking) and wanting things done her way just as her mom insisted
>her delusion and adversion runs so deep now that she could never accept help overcoming her problems now that she's so set in her ways
>Cotton was the only parental figure to get to her and encourage her to get back on her feet if only to spite someone else
Being Peggy is suffering. Still not as sad as being Bill though. Especially later season jackass Bill.

>>93056021
I can't think of any honestly

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To discuss something other than SU, I think they did a good job of this in Adventure Time.

Turned what seemed to be a one dimensional deadbeat dad into a roguish conman with a heart of gold who was on the right path but his past came back to haunt him and he sacrificed himself to protect his son. Added lots of depth to him without ruining the original point of his character, which is showing that sometimes your family are pieces of shit who don't care about you. Was cool.

>>93058172
>hindsight

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>>93063871
>>93063916

People don't just like him now because he's pink.
They like him because he went through a character arc. He stopped being a coward who runs from everything and stood up for those who cared about him. He saved the life's of a bunch of gems and even made friends with Steven realising that people do care about him and he has to be strong and stick together with the other gems in order to survive.
Watch the episode and you will understand.

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>>93063841
>This meme still exist

>>93063929
Admitting to being a dick doesn't mean you aren't one, dying like an idiot to save a second idiot he didn't even need to die to save, then coming back to life immediately is not redeeming.

He didn't fucking die. You don't get to draw a character laying down with their eyes closed for 2 seconds then immediately waking up and call it dying. It was shit writing all around.

>>93060437
>that Christmas episode
The official point of redemption and I still cry like a kid at the end after all these years.

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>>93057796
What if Paddy has 2 eyes tho since shes defective

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>>93056921
>Pacificafags

>>93063956
This is actually a really good example and I was amazed at how that scene really changed what I felt like was a disappointing asshole of a character into someone I legitimately feel sorry for (and was kind of charming) without completely retconning his negative actions earlier in the series. AT is just a fucking amazing show.

>>93063816
>You say as you post a character from Villainous, a show tumblr is obsessed with

The irony

>>93064043
A show that people like on Tumblr does not make it a Tumblr show.
Show me one part of those shorts with a shoehorned message about faggotry or race.

>>93063916
>he also didn't do anything to "Redeem" himself either
He showed more spine than any non-gem (besides maybe Sadie) on the show before he got BTFO by the cone-droid

>>93064039
I wouldn't say that (AT did have a really rocky few years in the middle of its run) but man Islands was fantastic. For what felt like the first time in forever the writers were able to have a mature, nuanced Adventure Time that wasn't either too boring or up its own ass. I was really pleased with it after not being too keen on the show the last few years.

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>>93064003
Your stupid.
Lars was changing before he turned pink.
He wanted to make friends but was scared if rejection.
He wanted to save Sadie but was too scared to do it.
Lars is afraid of everything and has deep insecurity's but in these recent eps he finally manned up and fought off a bunch of robots in order to save the other gems.
Yes he died doing it but it was for a heroic cause.
Its not him becoming pink which redeemed him for gods sakes.

>>93064086
?????? What the fuck has Sadie ever done in this show that wasn't retarded?

You set a really low fucking bar.

>>93064097
>Your stupid
like pottery

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>>93064097

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>>93064101
Slay an invisible corrupted gem with a sharp stick

>>93064097
He jumped on top the droid for no reason when no one was in immediate danger at that moment and he still had help to defeat it safely.

Lars' "character arc" was random came out of nowhere, and he still acted like an annoying asshole during it.

Honestly, the only redeeming thing Lars can do is not show up in another episode. Which is hopefully the plan.

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>>93064101
Uuh kill a gem monster?

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>>93064150
What do you mean no one was in immediate danger? That droid literally just got done trying to scan one of the gems, lars had to take it out or it wouldn't stop?

Im not seeing how it was random either, it started with the good lars and went on for several episodes

Really not sure what more you want a character to do

>>93064150
Everyone was in immediate danger.
The robots where ready to blast everyone into shards and Lars saved a lot of them just in the nick of time.
Lars got cocky and when he destroyed the robot it blew up and killed him. His death could of been avoided but it made sense for Lars to not think this would happen or care as he was too busy trying to be a hero.
Also his character arc was not random this has been building up for almost 7 eps with him in it and before.

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>>93064086
>>93063990

>He saved the day once

Like i said, fickle faggots

>>93064151
After holding Steven and Lars hostage on an island, that they were only there because she was too retarded to say no to Steven because she wanted to spend time with Lars for some inexplicable reason.

>>93064293
What more do you want seriously?

>>93055863
He may be pink right now, but he has more balls than he ever did before.

>>93064353
To be a likable character, to have a better design, to not die like an idiot and remove all dramatic tension from the show by coming back to life like this is fucking Dragon Ball Z, to not have spent the series being a moody annoying cunt like he has for the past view episodes, to not be an annoying cunt immediately after being revived.

>>93056959
Actually, people loved or at least liked Ronaldo, until his last episode, rocknaldo.
He started as the wacky conspiracy dude and ended like the biggest manchild of the show.

>>93056898
>I think you're projecting your own thoughts onto the rest of the people
You're doing the same, retard.

>>93055863
This is like an everyday anime trope, but I'm honestly surprised I can't think of any cartoon examples.

>>93056329
I never turned around on him. He's still a shitbag that drags everybody else down. Meaning well and being decent SOMETIMES doesn't excuse him for everything else.

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>>93057796
How can Sadie compete with her?

>>93060296
>none of his early character development seemed to stick
That was kind of the point. One good experience or "lesson" isn't enough to make someone change.

I actually thought it'd be Sadie who'd be the first to change enough to break that sick couple dynamic they had going on. Lars isolates himself while Sadie escapes from her troubles, which is relatively more "active".
On the other hand, I doubt Lars would have gotten this chance if Sadie hadn't stuck with him, so hey, rotten fruit can be good fertilizer.

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>>93064464
Ya they fucked up with Rocknaldo
All because they wanted to teach some hamfisted lesson

Personally I still kinda like him but idk how they could fix his character after that

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>>93064676
She cant

>>93064735
Easy, they just need to follow these 2 steps:

1. Send Ronaldo into Space
2. That's it

>>93064763
*with no spacesuit/ship

>>93064776
Did I include a step that said he got a spacesuit or ship? Cmon anon it's just two simple steps. Don't imply subroutines.

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>>93064763
Kek

Honestly, im not sure if that would be enough for him.
Heck does the crew even want to redeem him? They made him the villain in Garnets Universe after all

>>93064384
>To be a likable character,
He is now that's the point of this thread.
>to have a better design
His design is good.
>to not die like an idiot
If he didn't blown up by the robot you morons would be crying "Why didn't Lars get killed by the explosion? any normal human would of died from that."
>and remove all dramatic tension from the show by coming back to life like this is fucking Dragon Ball Z
Jesus Christ anon its a kids show there not going to kill people. No kids shows do that when was the last time somebody died on a CN show?
Also Lars revival is one of the most interesting things we have seen in the show in ages and I want to know more about it.
>to not have spent the series being a moody annoying cunt
Its part of his character and him becoming a good person after all the stuff his done makes it all the more sweeter but I guess to hell with Character flaws huh?

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>>93064820

You know the only way i can see them fixing ronaldo is either having him as a behind the likes strategist like oracle or get peridot to make him some iron man tier suit for combat or some mech. That's literally the only way because they cant really turn another person into a pink zombie because 1) it wont be as effective as lars and 2) i dont know if they can get away with killing another person on screen like lars.

Who knows

>>93055863
See >>93057102
SUfags are so easy to impress it's sad.

>character has a cliched 'Big Damn Hero' moment and cried
>"wtf I love this character now"

>>93057164
>"b-but it's good writing you guys!!"
>doesn't explain why
>tumblr filename
Low quality bait.

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>>93065012
>character has a cliched 'Big Damn Hero' moment and cried
Yes anon if you simply what happened you make it seem simple good job. its not like Lars character and his background has been explored making him fleshed out
And his redemption has been building for almost 7 episodes explaining why he is the way he is and leading up to his big hero moment,

>"b-but it's good writing you guys!!"
>doesn't explain why
>tumblr filename
>Low quality bait.
Reddit is that way you huge faggot.
Also open your eyes and read the thread then maybe you will get a clue.
Or you know.....you could watch the last 8 episodes.

>>93064900
>He is now that's the point of this thread.
lolno. Just because you're easily swayed by SU's shoddy cliched writing doesn't make Lars an objectively 'good' character now. Whoever's pushing this narrative of Lars suddenly being good character needs to stop.
>His design is good.
That's a subjective opinion, not fact. It looks mediocre at best.
>Jesus Christ anon its a kids show there not going to kill people.
Check out The Animals of Farthing Wood.
>Its part of his character
There are unlikable/'redeemed' characters done better than Lars. Vegeta is one example.

>>93056329
I always liked him more than Mordecai, honestly.

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>>93065074
>lolno. Just because you're easily swayed by SU's shoddy cliched writing doesn't make Lars an objectively 'good' character now. Whoever's pushing this narrative of Lars suddenly being good character needs to stop.
I love how you never explain why its only uhhh its clinched! I give plenty of reasons to why Lars redemption works but you ignore them because your a typical shitter.
>That's a subjective opinion, not fact. It looks mediocre at best.
And most like his design most like his character now what is your point?
>Check out The Animals of Farthing Wood.
Yes anon this one obscure ass cartoon really proves something.
Also who goes into a kids show and expects characters to die?
>There are unlikable/'redeemed' characters done better than Lars. Vegeta is one example.
Why is always Vegeta you people go to? is that like the only example of a villain turned hero you lot know about?
Also so what? how does that change the fact that Lars has been redeemed and is now a liked character who has changed for the best?

>>93065071
>Reddi t is that way you huge faggot.
I honestly don't get this insult, are you just using the 'go back to reddi t' meme because it's a popular phrase people use?
>open your eyes and read the thread
>Or you know.....you could watch the last 8 episodes.
Nigger, you're still not explaining why it's good writing. I did in fact watch those episodes and my opinion hasn't changed. The writing is still pretty underwhelming.
>building for almost 7 episodes
A planned failure is still a failure.
>Yes anon if you simply what happened you make it seem simple good job.
Still a cliche plot device.
>Lars
>fleshed out character
Pick one.
Sorry mein negro, but Lars isn't a 2deep4u character.
SUfags prove once again to be easily impressed plebeians.

>>93057102
SU fans are the most easily impressed people on this earth, anon.

>>93064074
Deviantart show isn't any better, anon

>>93064293
More times then you fag. And people still like you.
Granted I still don't like Lars, but I can see why people like him now.

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>>93065134
>I love how you never explain why its only uhhh its clinched!
Because his reasoning for his redemption was incredibly uninspired. He's a coward one episode, then brave and sacrificial the next, only because the plot needed him to be. He's a god damn plot device at this point.
>Yes anon this one obscure ass cartoon really proves something.
I used that cartoon to explain that just because it's a kids show, doesn't mean there can't be death. Other cartoons have done it before.
>Also who goes into a kids show and expects characters to die?
People who aren't pussified plebs who want to coddle and shelter kids from the reality of death.
>Why is always Vegeta you people go to?
Because he's a classic example of a well-written redemption-type character. His redemption wasn't hamfisted with "he loves earth life now" or "he died for the main character".
He's still reluctant, and continues to be so for a long time, but his reasoning is sound. He has nothing else and is pretty much bored of being alone all the time, so he becomes acquaintances with Goku and co.
>you people
Tell me, who are my people, anon?

>>93065198
>>93065200
>defending SU unironically
It's time to stop.

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>>93065147
>I honestly don't get this insult, are you just using the 'go back to reddi t' meme because it's a popular phrase people use?
You mean like how faggots like you always cry tumblr when someone brings up SU
Also Poplular phrase
>"b-but it's good writing you guys!!"
>Haven't seen that kind of writing before.
Nigger, you're still not explaining why it's good writing. I did in fact watch those episodes and my opinion hasn't changed. The writing is still pretty underwhelming
Lars has been a coward for the whole series scared of everything and himself.
Lars wanted to change and make friends but his fear of rejection gets the better of him and he ran. Same thing happens when he has the opportunity to save Sadie he ran.
He broke down and explained to Steven why he's scared and how he wants to get over his fears.
When the time comes to save others Lars rises to the challenge and saves Steven and a bunch of other gems.
He even decides to stay with the off colours because he feels the could use his protection and "off colours stick together."

>>93065228
You dense motherfucker.

Lars was hated by many STEVEN UNIVERSE FANS and now he is loved by many of those same STEVEN UNIVERSE FANS. This isn't about whether or not he is liked by people who hate the show, you dumbass.

>>93065147
A planned failure is still a failure.
Typical you never explain why.

Still a cliche plot device

Tell me why it doesn't work don't just keep using the generic "Cliche! bullshit you keep spawning.
>Pick one.
Typical as hell you never explain why.

>but Lars isn't a 2deep4u character.

Why the fuck should he be? I don't need him to be deep what I like about him is he's a fleshed out likabel character now who's changed for the better.


Broken ass site thinks my text is spam.

>>93065269
No shit Sherlock. See >>93057191
Why do you think SU isn't beloved by anyone but SUfags/liberals?

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You think Kevin can ever turn around and become a good and liked character by the fans as well?

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>>93065228
>Because his reasoning for his redemption was incredibly uninspired.
So what? cliches exist for a reason redemption arcs are always great and its nice having a charcter who was hated by many change around and become cool.
>He's a coward one episode, then brave and sacrificial the next,
What part of this have been built up don't you get? it wasn't sudden you dense prick.
>I used that cartoon to explain that just because it's a kids show, doesn't mean there can't be death. Other cartoons have done it
before.
You gave me one example of an old ass obscure cartoon and it means nothing most cartoons don't have anyone die and why should they? death does not add to a cartoon or make it "deeper"
?People who aren't pussified plebs who want to coddle and shelter kids from the reality of death.
.....Stop watching cartoons seriously just stop because there clearly not for you if you go onto cartoons expecting deaths what do you think this is? Attack on Titan?
Because he's a classic example of a well-written redemption-type character. His redemption wasn't hamfisted with "he loves earth life now" or "he died for the main character".
>He's still reluctant, and continues to be so for a long time, but his reasoning is sound. He has nothing else and is pretty much bored of being alone all the time, so he becomes acquaintances with Goku and co.
Yeah so? I love Vegta as much as the next guy but how does this affect Lars development in a kids show? how does this change that Lars character arc was great when all you do is give another great example.
Tell me, who are my people, anon?
Reddit faggots you know you.
>It's time to stop.
Yes it is time for you to stop go back Reddit already.

>>93065333
Its possible.
Kevins kind of cute anyways so it would be nice.

>>93065329
>Why do you think SU isn't beloved by anyone but SUfags/liberals?
God you are such a try hard faggot its pathetic

>>93065258
>faggots like you always cry tumblr when someone brings up SU
That isn't limited to just reddit, boy-o. Tumblr's a pretty commonly despised website, and SU is one of it's favorite cartoons. People who have worked on the show also use it and hire artists from it too.
It's not hard to see why people link the two.
>Also Poplular phrase
What?
>He broke down and explained to Steven why he's scared and how he wants to get over his fears.
>When the time comes to save others Lars rises to the challenge and saves Steven and a bunch of other gems.
>When the time comes
Yeah, when the writers needed him to for the plot. lol
He even decides to stay with the off colours because he feels the could use his protection and "off colours stick together."
That's some baby-tier writing right there. Besides the typical "oppressed underdogs" cliche, it's still pretty mediocre and uninspired.
>>93065296
Since you can't seem to find my explanation and won't stop bitching about it, I'll quote it for you:
>Because his reasoning for his redemption was incredibly uninspired. He's a coward one episode, then brave and sacrificial the next, only because the plot needed him to be. He's a god damn plot device at this point.

>>93065329
Again, this is about characters who were hated by their shows fanbase but are now loved by them. Doesn't matter if it was done well or not

>>93065369
>cliches exist for a reason
So you agree it's a cliche.
>redemption arcs are always great
Subjective opinion. They're too optimistic for my liking.
>it means nothing most cartoons don't have anyone die
It means something. That cartoons can and have had death in their shows.
>death does not add to a cartoon or make it "deeper"
Like I mentioned, it prepares kids for the reality of death.
If you disagree you're probably a pussy who wants to 'protect' kids from 2spooky4u themes.
>using the 'go back to reddi t' maymay
lol. Again, not everyone who dislikes Tumblr is from reddit.
>reddi t faggots you know who
Nigga you projecting?

>>93065385
Stay mad.

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>>93065390
>That isn't limited to just reddit, boy-o. Tumblr's a pretty commonly despised website, and SU is one of it's favorite cartoons. People who have worked on the show also use it and hire artists from it too.
It's not hard to see why people link the two.
Who gives a fuck your a typical faggot who feels the need to cry Tumblr anytime the show is brought up.
The quality of the show doesn't matter to you its what tumblr likes is what makes your judgement.
>When the time comes
>Yeah, when the writers needed him to for the plot. lol
What does that even mean? what do you mean? when would his redemption not be for the plot?
>He even decides to stay with the off colours because he feels the could use his protection and "off colours stick together."
And what is wrong with that? you only ever say clichie! over and over and it means shit when its done well. Guess what nothing is truly original and being original doesn't make something good.
That's some baby-tier writing right there. Besides the typical "oppressed underdogs" cliche, it's still pretty mediocre and uninspired.
Oh he learned a new word uninspired. means nothing when you never explain why its mediocre the last 7 eps have been fun adventures that have developed the characters and redeemed Lars for the better.
All your reasons to why this is bad suck and frankly I don't even know why you keep talking about this when its clear SU is never going to please you no matter what.

>>93065459
Lars is pretty gud

>>93065459
So like.. Sounds like you watch SU pretty consistently. What's up with that? Seriously just wondering why you do if you don't like it?

>>93065459
>So you agree it's a cliche
You still never explain why its bad besides the meaningless "cliche"

too optimistic for my liking.

Again why are you watching Cartoons? go watch TWD or something that has plenty of meaningless death and "deep" characters
>It means something. That cartoons can and have had death in their shows.
Its means nothing your one obscure ass cartoon does not change the fact the in almost ever cartoon no one dies because there cartoons.
>Like I mentioned, it prepares kids for the reality of death.

Wow anon that's so deep and adds so much.
>If you disagree you're probably a pussy who wants to 'protect' kids from 2spooky4u themes.
kids will find out about death when ever they find it out cartoons don't need none stop death to "prepare" kids its utter bullshit.

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>>93065379
Hes like the cutest character
It would be a shame to waste him on just being a douche

>>93065012
I learnt that lesson hard. They were completly distracted from how shit mindful eduction was by a mildy good song that did not even fit. At least mr greg was a mediocre episode full of wasted potentiol propper up by a truely god tier song.

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>>93065485
Agreed

>>93055863
Steven universe is not a good example of that.

Only two examples I can think of are Mordecai and Diamond Tiara

>>93065459
>Like I mentioned, it prepares kids for the reality of death.
>If you disagree you're probably a pussy who wants to 'protect' kids from 2spooky4u themes

Lmao shit like Disney already has a bunch of permadeath, not every kids show requires it. Would you be this butthurt if lars got the same development hut no death was brought into the scenario at all?

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>>93065585
I mean rigby

>>93065477
>typical faggot who feels the need to cry tumblr anytime the show is brought up
Sometimes people do it because it's amusing to see if people pick up on the tumblr bashing and get butthurt, like you are.
There is no reason to be upset.
>What does that even mean?
Writers decided to make Lars brave suddenly because Steven needed to find a way home, ruining any tension the plot had before.
>su is never going to please you
I was in fact briefly entertained by SU before they 'redeemed' Peridot. I never had high hopes for the show, but Peridot's 'redemption' signaled the beginning of its decline. They were using pointless 'redemption' arcs that nearly other 2000s-2010s cartoon already used.

>>93065502
I don't watch it consistently, I watched it back when Jailbreak aired to see what the fuss was about, but then I stopped. But I also unfortunately have a dorm-mate who doesn't shut the fuck about it. I go to a pretty liberal college, so it's expected.

And to the anons bitching about my use of 'cliche' as an insult, I say it because 1.) it's the truth and 2.) to prove the writers of SU aren't as good as SUfags insist they are; they'll typically rehash old story tropes that have already been done 100x better by other cartoons.

>>93059552
>Well, I'd very much enjoy watching Peggy die, but no one would ever revive Peggy don't even lie.
No one tell him about the skydiving episode and follow-up.

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>>93065568
This guy gets it.

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>>93055863
>What other shows have taken hated characters and made them good and liked characters?
It's not /co/-related but posting best example anyway.

>>93065586
Disney typically doesn't kill off main characters. Any kids cartoon that kills of main characters (like Farthing Wood) will have more of an impact on kids that a character with little screen-time dying.

>>93065634
I fucking love that episode.

She fucking slams into the ground. and then the credits roll

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>>93055863
Original Alan: Whiny prat
Movie Alan: unlikeable protag
TAG Alan: Decent kid, best version
Also, John fits for this

>>93056811

>Gets shat on from the moment he's introduced
>Proves Aya's point far better than she ever did in one single stroke

>>93058172

...Yes, you must be right.

>>93061327

Yup.

>>93065622
>There is no reason to be upset.
>Epic meme bro just epic.
>Writers decided to make Lars brave suddenly because Steven needed to find a way home, ruining any tension the plot had before.
Again you ignore me over and over no matter how many times I explain how Lars redemption was built up over 8 eps and it was earned. just close your ears and maybe you can make yourself believe your right.

>>93065737
You just seemed pretty unreasonably butthurt over me making fun of tumblr. Why did you let it get to you, anon? Why do you care?
>you ignore me over and over
I responded to your point in an earlier post: I said that a planned failure is still a failure.
It could have taken 20 episodes and it still would have been a shitty payoff.

>>93065764
I bring up tumblr because faggots like you wont shut up about it.
And it judges what shows you like.
>that a planned failure is still a failure.
And that means nothing why is a failure? explain why it doesn't work except parroting uninspired over and over.
They took Lars a character with many flaws and built up his desire to change.
He changed for the better and put his life at risk to save others.
Is it original? no not really but that doesn't change that it works.

>>93065806
>I bring up tumblr because faggots like you wont shut up about it.
If by "bring up" you mean bitching about "reddit faggots" over and over, then yes you did.
Again, Tumblr is a pretty notorious website, people are going to make fun of it.
Just because you don't like that and complain about it doesn't mean people are going to stop my nigga.
>judges what shows you like
You do know people dislike SU because the show itself sucks and not because of tumblr, right?
Even some of tumblr's userbase itself doesn't like SU. Just look at shit like the #SUcritical tag.
>why is a failure?
Lars's redemption is a failure because 1.) like you said it isn't original, and 2.) people are heralding it as some example of good 'character development' when it's not anything special. It took the easy route and made Lars into a plot connivence for Steven, ruining the tension of being stuck on homeworld.

I also said this earlier:
>And to the anons bitching about my use of 'cliche' as an insult, I say it because 1.) it's the truth and 2.) to prove the writers of SU aren't as good as SUfags insist they are; they'll typically rehash old story tropes that have already been done 100x better by other cartoons.

>>93065806
This. Cliches aren't inherently bad.

>>93065894
>lazy writing isn't bad

>>93065641
Finnaly somebody who understands.

>>93065920
Whatever you say anon

>>93065920
Even SJ was is beloved on this board is original anon.
Yet its still good originality does not equal greatness

>>93065967
"isn't" I meant. my bad.

>>93065622
>He's a coward one episode, then brave and sacrificial the next, only because the plot needed him to be. He's a god damn plot device at this point.
>I don't watch it consistently

Evidently.