So now that Wonder Woman was good , is there renewed hope

>>92997332
>Snyder

No, anon.

No there is not.

>>92997360
But now half the movie may be good because of emergency family stuff he left for!

>>92997332
It's guaranteed to be shit.

>>92997417
This. I'd bet on it.

>>92997332
I'm curious as to why you would think that? Explain?

>>92997400
You think he only got half of the fucking movie done? They're in post-production, you jackass. Snyder's going to be all over the movie even if it's still Whedon physically on set.

WW being good pretty much proves JL will be shit. Patty needs to be in charge of these movies.

>>92997332
Heck Wonder Woman success may even make this ones failure even worse.

>It was almost complete when Whedon got it
>By Zack Snyder

There is no hope

>>92997332
I never lost it, fuck /co/ I'm excited

>>92997332
My question is why Superman isn't in this? Especailly if we're dealing with Parademons and/or Darkseid.

>>92997506
He is

>>92997506
I think they're keeping him out of the advertising because they don't want to spoil his resurrection

>>92997543
At least DC has learned it's lesson not to spoil everything in advertising.

>>92997566
I'm sure they'll fuck up and have the final trailer spoiler Superman

>>92997543
Oh that's fucking stupid. They really should not bother, since even normies know full well that big name superheroes, and Superman no less, ain't staying dead for long.

It would legit be more surprising if Clark actually stayed dead, and the seventh member was like Hal or J'onn just kind of showing up near the end and being like "Hello, fellow superheroes. Might I join you in repelling these rapscallions?".

A healthy woman will look like a beauty queen when she's lined up together with physically-deformed women.

DC made a solid movie, which should have been the DEFAULT from the start. They didn't surpass shit, they just did something correctly.

>>92997566
>good, don't spoil shit
>>92997739
>stupid not to spoil shit
can't win.

>>92998046
>giving a shit about spoilers in the first place
You were never even qualified to play.

>>92998298
I honestly don't. I'm cool with waiting, I'm cool if they wanna show him now.

>>92997503
Seconded. I'm so excited that the JL is finally going to be on the big screen.

>>92997332
No, it's still Snydershit.

>>92998487
They already were twice (Lego Movie and Lego Batman)

There will still be laughable action scenes stuffed with slow-mo and people flying 100 feet into the air.... only in Wonder Woman it was coupled with fun and likeable characters. So no probably not.

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>>92997332
I mean, MoS and BvS were great, so this probably won't be anything less.
Hopefully Whedon doesn't do too much damage.

>>92998533
Different and younger target audience.

>>92998622
More entertaining and true to the characters than this shit

>>92998662
I disagree.
The characters aren't played for laughs nearly as much in the comics.

>>92998533
I mean besides being joke side characters

>>92998609
Agreed, but remember we're not allowed to like it here

>>92998487
I'm excited to see Geoff Johns' Justice League hit the big screen. I bought a copy of Absolute Justice League™: Origin™ to prepare for it!!

>>92998716
>that's an actual thing
Wait what the fuck

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>>92998759
>JL Origin gets an Absolute while there is STILL no O'Neil Question Omnibus
this is your fault, Snyderfags

>>92998716
I don't see why 4chan of all places hates JL Origin.
It's practically a shounen manga.

>>92998812
>this is your fault, Snyderfags
Please explain your train of thought that led you to this conclusion.

>>92998812
>still no Johns Action omnibus
>still no Morrison Action omnibus

DC just hates money senpai

>>92998819
because contrary to popular opinion, /co/ actually has reasonably good taste in comics most of the time

>>92998819
I don't mind it. The characterization us good and there's some cool moments hutitsjust a kind of overall generic origin and it makes Darkseid kind of boring as well.

>>92998819
How exactly is it a shounen manga?

>>92998835
>Snyder Justice League is using the concept and team from JL Origin
>therefore DC printed Absolute JL Origin to build hype for the movie
QED

>>92998918
Yes, but how is it Snyderfags' fault?

>>92998609
Henry is so precious.

>>92998944
because I don't like live action threads and I never would have found out about this if this thread didn't exist

>>92998819
It's a terribly story ghost written by Lee with everyone acting out of character

>>92998980
really made me think

>>92998980
>not regularly participating in shelf or solicit threads

dumb casual

I'm a huge character fag. If they manage to fuck the god awful blah-blah to action ratio that BvS had, I'm fine. Having the JL on screen is more or less enough for me.

>>92998874
Johns was pretty much writing it as a movie pitch, the way Bendis wrote his early Guardians run before he had a nervous breakdown and decided to smash everything up. He really wanted to see his own mark on the movie get adapted. You can see this in how it has Batman and Green Lantern as the focus, brings in Darkseid as the "big angry enemy guy" and gets him wrong like a blockbuster movie could, and other bits.

It's like the definition of a generic, shovelware comic. It's worse as a comic than the original JLA story from the 60's. If it wasn't replacing the classic team with a newer, more "cinematic" one for brand synergy it would probably be looked upon less harshly though.

>>92999012
>shelf threads
only when I buy something new, which is infrequent these days, and I would be stunned if anyone who participates in shelf threads bought Absolute JL Origin
>solicit threads
I just don't find them interesting

>>92997332
WW only gave hope for solos.

>>92997400
Whedon's only contribution will be the final scene
>"Together, we are now the-"
>*cut to black*
>*JUSTICE LEAGUE logo appears*

>>92999073
But Snyder's 2 entries so far have been great. What makes you think this one will be anything less?

>>92997543
i think they are hiding it because they don't want to reveal how he gets resurrected
i.e. Omega Superman

>>92999164
I'm sure whatever it is, it'll be stupid. This is a Zack Snyder movie, after all.

>>92999182
see
>>92999150

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>>92999182
Then don't watch it when it come out

>>92999224
just because you have bad taste doesn't mean everyone else does

>>92999236
I don't plan to

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>>92997332
Words can't fully express how excited and hype I am for Aquaman

>>92999251
But I don't have bad taste, so there's something wrong with your opinions.

>>92999307
I don't get why this is the kind of shit that is so important to people.
Aquaman has had a fucking hook hand before for christ sake.
His costume is not a reason to champion one movie over another.

>>92999313
well I'm sorry to be the only one to tell you this, but thinking Zack Snyder's movies are good means you have bad taste

>>92999307
This is just a toy but I think I prefer Momoa as Barbarian-style Aquaman

>>92999337
I disagree. I think you should review you opinions.

>>92997332

Only reason Wonder Woman turned out okay was because it was directed by someone other than Snyder.

>>92999425
But MoS and BvS were better than WW. (WW was pretty good though).

>>92999400
Well, yeah. It's Ronan Dex as Aquaman. It's weird to have him move away from the barbarian king look.

>>92999404
nah, I'm comfortable enough with my own intelligence and agreeing with the common opinion on this matter that I don't see the need.

>>92999335
Sorry that posting a photo of the costume made you think that was the thing i'm mostly excited about.

I'm excited for the director (with a strong track record) who has cited Lovecraft as an influence, the new underwater filming techniques that are developed, the strong actors pledged like DaFoe, and the fun that everyone seems to be having on set. I really like Momoa, Heard looks great as Mera, and it looks like the guy they have for Manta is going to be nice and over-the-top, and god do i love Manta.

>>92999555
>and agreeing with the common opinion
That's unrelated to intelligence honestly.
I'd put that closer to lack of critical ability myself.

>>92999531
>But MoS and BvS were better than WW

I respect your opinion, even though you are in the extreme minority on that one.

>>92999591
yes, which is why I listed it as a separate point

>>92999596
>even though you are in the extreme minority on that one.
I would wonder about that. Usually negative voices speak louder, especially online.

>>92999637
But the fact that you listed it at all implies that public consensus influences your opinions.

>>92999400
>I think I prefer Momoa as Barbarian-style Aquaman

Same here, Aquadrogo is visually cool.

His pants should be green though, if only because there's already enough drab grays and browns in Snyderverse.

>>92999307
>Aquaman post Snyder
>Looks 50% more like Aquaman
Wow they are really determined to show that he was the problem.

>>92999677
can you answer this
>>92999335

>people who still defend zack the hack

How.

>>92999642

That's not the sort of thing that affects a direct comparison. When people say "WW was fine, BvS was unwatchable" they are not being negative or positive, they're directly comparing two things.

>>92999663
all I said was that I don't mind agreeing with public opinion in this case because I am secure enough in my own intelligence to know that my opinions are my own, even if they align with the general consensus.

>>92999732
>unwatchable
That's what I mean though. Negative hyperbole.
You see more uncontested accusations of media being "unwatchable" "dogshit" etc, than you see uncontested praise calling a comic or movie or artist or whatever "perfect" "10/10" etc.

Negative hyperbole is going to go uncontested more.
Spend time anywhere on 4chan to see it.

>>92999736
No, you listed it as if your intelligence PLUS the common opinion were two ingredients in a formula of correctness.
>>92999555
>I'm comfortable enough with my own intelligence and AND agreeing with the common opinion on this matte

>>92999814
I'm ok with agreeing with the common opinion because my brain isn't rotted by /tv/ contrarianism, that's all I'm saying.

>>92999859
*squints at you*

How average do you have to be to think WW was better than MoS and BvS?

MoS >> BvS >>>>>>> WW >>> ass > SS

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>>92999896
BvS>MoS>WW>>SS

>>92999917
daughter's corpse etc

>>92999979
is this some hot new /tv/ meme, I feel like I've been seeing this a lot

>>93000001
I'm the same guy you were talking to yesterday.

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>>93000035
>we are doomed to have the same conversations over and over again until the end of time
I really hate this place sometimes

>>93000102
same
There's like 100 people on this board max.

>>92997332
Wonder Woman was decent. Not enough to ignore Snyder, nor the fact that Whedon is apparently on the project.

>>92998918
>>92998944
>>92998980

It's the fault of all the people with shit taste that will be thanking The Cereal King for doing nothing really on Wonder Woman except adding his ice cream scene from 'Absolute Justice League™: Origin™' to it - and thankfully there were actual adults around to keep him from shoving a sword in Gadot's hands for this third adaptation of his shitty canon.

>>92997332
the pacing and editing are going to be all over the place.

>>93000164
doesn't she have a sword, though

>>92998812
>O'Neil Question Omnibus

The finally started to release nice digitals of these - I'd expect a nice trade compilation sooner rather than later, if nothing else.

>>92998713
>Agreed, but remember we're not allowed to like it here

No, it's okay to be wrong here.

>>93000258
well hopefully they actually complete the run and not cancel it halfway through like Sandman Mystery Theatre ;_;

>>92998609
>I mean, MoS and BvS were great

Please stop with the bait.

>>92999150
>But Snyder's 2 entries so far have been great.

It's good that we now have objective proof that this is wrong. Other than the valueless, shitty Snyder movies themselves, of course.

Snyder is deadweight. Cutting him off lets the DCEU soar.

>>92999404
Nah man, if you like Snyder you're not only objectively wrong, you're a bad person. It's not a matter of opinion.

>>92997332
N-no! It can't be! If it makes more than a billion then we lose! We've gotta find some way to stop them...

>>92999785
But it is unwatchable dogshit, anon. There's a reason it was trashed by the critics: it's valueless shit.

>>92999721
Trolls. It's not possible to actually like anything Snyder has done, but they know it reliably gets a rise out of people.

The more important question is how they sleep at night even pretending to like Snyder. It's like smearing yourself in dog shit for a prank: even if the pranks works you're covered in shit.

>>92997566
>>92997592
They won't. Look at the Ares situation: it paralleled the Doomsday scenario almost exactly (toys came out), yet they knew not to make that mistake again. Nobody cares about toys.

>>93000372

Wonder Woman was only made because of him, because Warner Brothers didn't wanted to risk their money on it.

>>92999591
>the classic /co/ formula: "contrarian = smart"

>>92998609
>Hopefully Whedon doesn't do too much damage.
Whedon has to do exactly what Snyder says in the instructions or it will reflect extremely poorly on him. Just imagine, "Whedon takes advantage of family tragedy to hijack a movie."

>>93000506
Bullshit. WB was launching the DCEU. A WW movie was going to happen. Superman and Batman were supposed to be the easy, guaranteed home runs to kick off the franchise, but Snyder, unbelievably, fucked that up.

He was a stumbling block holding back an entire franchise, but he's gone now thanks to his daughter martyring herself to save us.

>>92999696
Yeah.
This is /co/. It's not /tv/. We want stuff that harkens back to /co/ material.

>>92999150
Disney told me so!

>>92998819
>The ending where the League meets the president on live tv
>People still wonder if Batman is a real person
New 52 is retarded.

>>92997332
>Joss Whedon directing a mess left by Zack Snyder
There was never any hope. It'll be fun to watch the first time but after that it'll look like a glorified TV special because that's all Joss knows how to direct.

>>93000614

Snyder had to fight WB for it and invest his own money so it would happen. If it wasn't for him, there'd be no Wonder Woman movie. Even then Warner Brothers wanted only to release it after Justice League, but Snyder again fought for it to be released before it.

>>92999337
>>93000433
Snyder has never made a bad movie in his entire career. Even Sucker Punch was a 9/10 movie.

>>93000633
This meme makes even less sense post-WW. Did Disney forget to sound out the bribe checks for WW?

>>92999144
It'll never be worse than what Fant4stic tried to end with

>>93000650
I'll take looking like a tv show over having the story of a music video.

>>93000681
The key to trolling is subtlety, as surprising as that sounds. You have to say something just believable enough to reel people in.

Unfortunately, you've crossed that line here, but take this as a learning experience and your bait will work better in the future.

>>93000282
Oh goddammit did they stop those?!

>>92997332
Snyder's Watchmen Ultimate Edition is my favorite capeshit movie.

There is hope

>>93000372
>It's good that we now have objective proof
Source?

>>93000433
>if you like Snyder you're not only objectively wrong, you're a bad person.
Source that's not an opinion?

>>93000462
>it's valueless shit.
Objective source?

>>93000898
hope that it'll be in the neighborhood of an movie if you buy the Blu-ray, goyim?

>>93000742
They ran out of money when Pirates 5 tanked. Plus they have to save for JL: the real competition. Why do you think Lego Batman and Logan got good reviews? They aren't big competition.

>>93000985
>>93000999
reddittomatoes.com

You know, i don't get why you guys blame Snyder so much.

MoS was mostly David S. Goyer show, with Nolan giving his inputs here and there. Snyder was there merely to actualize their vision.

BvS was written by David S. Goyer, until Ben Affleck came aboard and used his stardom to throw his weight and have his buddy Chris Terrio to rewrite the entire movie. Affleck had so much cloth that he had the final say about who would play Wonder Woman. Snyder this time had more input, but the story was more on Goyer and Terrio hands.

Even then you see Snyder being blame for these movies' stories, as if he did everything by himself. It's like blaming Johns for the reboot.

>>92997332
No.

>>93000794
>haha u trole
Looks like someone didn't see Sucker Punch. Though I can see why you wouldn't like it if you only saw the theatrical: the most important scene was cut from it.

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>>93000433
>>93000496
>>93000462
HE'S HERE

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>>92997332
Hope never left
Can't wait for the man to return

>>93001044
I mean, sure, if you have no idea about how important the screenwriter and director actually are in actual practice.

>>93001065
It's the same guy who says DC doesn't ever make anything good, posts Drax and Evans pics, and says the MCU is the best right?

>>92999307
I'm actually optimistic for Aquaman after seeing Wonder Woman. Zack seems to be/have been the problem.

>>93000898
But Snyder's Watchmen was shit. He somehow managed to copy the book almost panel-for-panel but miss the entire spirit and point of the work.

Snyder is basically the early 90s personified: vapid style and bombast with zero substance, like all the writers who tried to ape Watchmen after it came out but could only copy the surface violence and sex.

>>93001106

Snyder only had a small story credit with Wonder Woman, though, not MoS or BvS. He was only the director of those movies.

>>93001120
But MoS was at least as good as WW. And WW wasn't as lighthearted as the MCU.

>>93001126

>but miss the entire spirit and point of the work.

People only say this because of the slow-mos and super kung-fu.

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>>93001099
I hope the first thing he does upon waking up is to go see his mother.

>>93001126
>but miss the entire spirit and point of the work.
No one who says this can ever justify/explain it.

>>93000999
Rottentomatoes, or any thinking human. Having Snyder involved with a movie makes it sink like a stone.

Honestly, though, I'm glad WW was a success because it brings an end to this Snyder idiocy. He's gone from the franchise so as time goes on he will come up less and less and we won't have to deal with trolls like yourself.

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>>93001126
Who's right? You?
Or a successful MCU director?

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>>93001168
>He's gone from the franchise

>what is story credit on WW

>>93001014
>They ran out of money when Pirates 5 tanked.

Disney has already made $3 billion this year:

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/box-office-disney-3-billion-1202447554/

Try again! This is fun!

>>93001168

Snyder was involved in Wonder Woman, though. Can you explain that? He produced, invested his money, picked the director, fought for an early release, even had input on the story. He was more involved in this movie than he was involved in Suicide Squad.

>>93001044
>You know, i don't get why you guys blame Snyder so much.


Because he was a talentless hack who had produced nothing of value before he was attached to the DCEU. And he was, you know, the director of MoS and BvS.

There's no need to fight, though. Goyer is also shit, Snyder is just a talentless void where a director should be.

>>93001158
if you ignore all the times someone has explained or justified it.

>>93001236
So you can't. Not surprised, just disappointed.

>>93001037
When you write things like this, do you honestly believe they have meaning? Or do you know you're spouting empty memes?

>>93001232
see
>>93001170

>>93001063
Suck Punch somehow managed to make a bunch of hot girls unsexy and what should have been amazing action scenes dull.

Snyder has the knack for sucking the life out of his works.

>>93001266
It's just pointing out that Rotten Tomatoes works similarly to Reddit. Was that too subtle for you? Too deep?

>>92997332

It's done by Zack Snyder. It's going to fucking fail big and don't bother to bring up Joss Whedon taking over. It's too little, too late.

The film is in post-production. Whedon is doing only reshoots which amount to jack and shit.

>>93001107
Nah, those are other people. I just maintain that MoS and BvS are shit, I never said DC can't do anything good. Snyder was always my problem, but the problem is solved now. I'm actually a big DC comics fan, which is why I was so revolted by their shitty DCEU depictions.

>>93001260
I just don't want to have the same argument for the millionth and first time, because I know it won't change your mind, and it'll just end up making me mad.

>>93001065
Wow, I've never been screencapped before. I feel honored that you memorialized me being right!

>>93001296
>managed to make a bunch of hot girls unsexy
Almost like that was the point.

>what should have been amazing action scenes dull.
That's just not true. The action scenes were great for the most part.

>>93001342
You apparently don't HAVE an argument.

>>93001339

So you're a characterfag that can't take new takes, ie an autist.

Good to know.

>>93001146
MoS was more flawed than Wonder Woman, IMO. Wonder Woman is a good start for the DCEU, as it's reception has shown.
Who mentioned the MCU?

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>>93001201
Not that guy, but it's easy to see why WW got good reviews.

>female director (big element)
>female star

>>93001339
Most dc fans hates the movies for that very reason. Also, if the DC movieverse was good, it'd mean marvel would have to step up their game and not depend on the same tired shit formula they've been banking on and they'd have to do something new. It would have been a win/win. I've since given up on both universes and am just hoping for a reboot for both.

>>93001401
Where did I say I don't like new takes? I just ask that new takes be good, which MoS and BvS weren't.

New shit is still shit, anon.

I hope it's like Ant-Man before release and they cut all the "HURT WE'RE SO SILLY AND ASHAMED OF BEING CAPE HEROES" scenes.

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>>93001408
>as it's reception has shown.
I don't get what this has to do with quality. It's a collection of opinions.
Do you value any opinions if enough people have them or something?

>>93001429
BvS showed masculinity, traditionalism, and family as a positive, which is a huge problem for critics. Notice how movies and shows with "alternative families" get huge ratings?

>>93001429
But the conspiracy was always that Disney bribed everyone for the bad scores on the other DCEU movies. Did they just not write big enough checks this time?

>>93001451

> I'm actually a big DC comics fan, which is why I was so revolted by their shitty DCEU depictions

You basically couldn't deal with the new takes on the characters and the world, because you want everything to reflect the DCAU.

>>92997332
>directed by Zack Snyder

It'll be mediocre at best.

I have hope for the solo movies more than JL, Aquaman looks great so far and James Wan is a good director.

>>93001480
>But the conspiracy
I've never espoused that though. You're talking to ME, not a boogeyman.

I think Disney merely knows how to soullessly pander to cultural trends better.

>>93001126
>Snyder is basically the early 90s personified: vapid style and bombast with zero substance,
This doesn't really have anything to do with the discussion, but it's funny you say that, since 90s Wonder Woman material was actually pretty good stuff. Well, until Byrne, but WML's run was good stuff. Art was shit in the second half, but story was still solid.

>>93001507
>It'll be mediocre at best.
But BvS was excellent.

>>93001492
This, honestly. My intro to DC was PAD's YJ in the 90's and I love the DCEU so far.

>>93001492
Again, where did I say that? I just said I didn't like the shitty DCEU depictions...because they were shit. Had they been GOOD new takes, I'd have been fine.

I just want good movies, it's that simple. I'm not sure what you're even trying to argue here:

You think the depictions of the characters in the first DCEU movies were good?

You think that any new depiction is automatically worthy of praise despite its quality?

I'm honestly confused as to what you're trying to say.

>>93001492
No, he couldn't deal with shitty out of character takes on the characters. It's adorable you keep trying to put works in peoples mouths just so you can defend your shit narrative of "dey didn't like it cause nu muh cartooons!". Pick up a fucking book, guy.

>>93001556
What do you say to me?
>>93001543
>This, honestly. My intro to DC was PAD's YJ in the 90's and I love the DCEU so far.

>>93001465
I stopped listening to RT when Revenge of the Sith got good reviews.

>>93001550
Stop trying to conversate with it. It isn't looking for an actual conversation.

>>93001550

>You think the depictions of the characters in the first DCEU movies were good?

Yes, i think. They were a bit controversial, but very interesting takes. But i'm accustomed with comics doing new takes on age old characters. It's one of the main reason why i love DC comics so much.

>>93001573
>Catalog
Revenge of The Sith is easily the best SW film.
Much better than TFA, that's for damn sure.

>>93001429
>BvS, a movie about painting a criminal who violently polices his home city in a negative light and an illegal immigrant who cares for the life of all people in a positive light
>fascist
I swear these people are retards

>>93001581
>it. It
rude desu

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>>93001543
>But BvS was excellent.

For you.

The extended version was still a below average capeshit movie IMO.

>>93001451
>>93001492
Fact is, most casuals only know of one or two versions. Read some golden, silver, and bronze age comics and you'll start to realize that the DCEU is great.

>>93001556

>No, he couldn't deal with shitty out of character takes on the characters.

It's a new universe, there's nothing out of character when that is their character. Like i said, you guys couldn't deal with alternative takes and just wanted a copy of the DCAU.

>>93001588
The Force Awakens has a 92% on RT and an 81 on Metacritic. Critics liked it about the same as they did The Dark Knight, but not as much as the incomparable masterpiece that was Gravity.
So, how's RT working out for you?

>>93001620
?
I don't listen to critics mate.
RotS is a masterwork, TFA is an embarrassing failure, Gravity is a paper thin piece of shit, and TDK is the best Batman film.

>>93001588
TFA is mediocre schlock at best.

But RotS is still garbage. I have no idea how anyone can defend things like "NONONO YOU WILL DIE" and Vader screaming no.

>>93001668
>defend things like "NONONO YOU WILL DIE" and Vader screaming no.
What's to defend?
There's no issue there.

>>93001655
My mistake, carry on then.

>>93001550
>>93001582
Care to explain your positions? What are the reasons to not like the depictions, and what are the reasons to like them? Try not to speak using memes though, it just antagonizes the other side.

>>93001582
>It's one of the main reason why i love DC comics so much.

But you don't, because you also claim to like the DCEU. You can't be a DC fan and by happy seeing it butchered and raped.

You aren't a fan. Instead, you're a fanboy, mindlessly consuming anything with a certain label slapped on it because you've decided you like the label. The content doesn't matter as long as that label is there.

You're the worst kind of person.

>>93001736
If you think that you enjoy the DCEU you are wrong. It's not a matter of debate.
You are human garbage and should be treated as such.

>>93001683
Because both are incredibly silly, and completely clash with the tone the movie is trying to set.

There's more stellar bits of dialogue like "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!" and every single person in the film except Sheev being a complete moron.

I will say that I like the very last shot though.

>93001744
)you(
don't bother responding to this troll

>>93001736
Nah, this game is over and the Snyderfags have lost. Snyder is definitively shown to be shit and his DCEU movies garbage. There isn't another side any more than there's a meaningful other side on the the round Earth "debate".

Now that Snyder is gone, as time moves on we'll thankfully see people pretending to defend him and his awful movies less and less as he recedes to a footnote in the DCEU.

>>93001744
>Instead, you're a fanboy, mindlessly consuming anything with a certain label slapped on it because you've decided you like the label.
Not that guy, but I like the DCEU and there's plenty of DC content I don't like.
Since we're talking about movies-
I don't like Superman 3 or 4, the CW shows barring some of the early seasons, Steel starring Shaq, Batman and Robin and most of the recent animated movies.

>>93001393
whatever you say, friend

>>93001799
>Snyder is definitively shown to be shit
?

>>93001744

>But you don't, because you also claim to like the DCEU. You can't be a DC fan and by happy seeing it butchered and raped.

Whaaat? I like DC precisely because we can have various different takes on the same character that explore things that i had never seen or thought before about said character. This is precisely why i like DCEU, because it presented the characters i knew about in new ways. Specially the DCEU Batman that explore the logical extreme of a what happens when Batman is old and realize that his crusade has been futile in many ways and how he deals with that feeling of powerlessness and hopelessness. It was something that i don't remember being explored before in the comics.

>>93001736

I hope my answer above helped you understand my reasons a bit.

>>93001573
now you've done it

the curse begins to show itself

>>93001767
>"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!"
Like so many complaints about the PT, I don't get the issue here.
He's trying to make Obi-Wan see "the truth". He's trying to sound reasonable about an unreasonable position to justify it to himself.

I don't get most of the complaints about the PT, honestly.

>>93001825
>DCEU + Snyder = garbage
>DCEU - Snyder = critical acclaim and success

It's that simple, anon. You don't have to pretend anymore. It's okay.

>>93001834
>This is precisely why i like DCEU, because it presented the characters i knew about in new ways.

Yes, bad ones. New doesn't equal good.

>>93001864
>>DCEU - Snyder = critical acclaim and success
uh
1. see
>>93001429

2.see
>>93001179

>>93001885

Why you got to be such an ass, anon? I liked the new take on Batman. I did. I don't care if others didn't. I found it interesting.

>>93001887
Ah yes, the "SJWs!!!!!1111" bullshit. The sole reason for the movie's success is the REEEEEEEMALES involved.

>>93001885
Why did you ignore the rest of his post?

>>93001981
I didn't. What we saw was new but not good, no reason to waste more space on that point.

>>93002006
>but not good
Do you claim this to be more than an opinion?

>>92998046
it was stupid to kill him in the first place because everyone and their mother knew he was coming back

>>93002024
I assume you hate Death of Supes?

>>93002006
You ignored it though. You didn't say why it wasn't good.

>>92997332
If anything I'm more worried about it. It's going to look even worse now that it has something good to be compared to.

>>93002063
But MoS and BvS are good.

>>93001936
I do sometimes regret the vitriolic rage this topic brings on, because it's not your fault. Anyone thinking they liked anything in MoS or BvS has some kind of disability, so we really shouldn't make fun of them. Something is broken inside of them rendering them unable to realize, or admit, how bad they were.

It's like walking into a new restaurant where all of the waiters proceed to take a shit onto the plates of the customers. Almost everyone gags and leaves in disgust, but one or two begin eating the literal shit and proclaiming it the gourmet haute cuisine.

You'd have to wonder what's wrong with such a person.

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>>93002084
saved for future heckling

>>93002062
Ah, now you're making assumptions. I saw it, I just didn't feel any need to address why it wasn't good.

>>93001834

Here's another thing i liked about BvS: it was refreshing seeing Batman as the antagonist who ends up regaining his faith on himself and people in general thanks to Superman heroism and humanity. Elseworlds tend to portray Superman as a god who's on the brink of losing touch with his humanity and because of it fucking things up, while Batman is the very human hero who comes to save the day and remember Superman what's what. So seeing the inverse of that was pretty awesome and refreshing.

>>93002099
Thank you, I'm flattered. Please use it wisely.

>>92998662
>Jonah Hill as GL is somehow true to the character

ahahahahah fucking casuals make me laugh

>>93002084
>they liked anything
Am I allowed to like the score or even pieces of the score?
I am I allowed to like Henry's face? Faora's perky body?
Am I allowed to like the fact the it was shot on film?

See how stupid you are?

>>93000264
>proving his point

oy vey child

>>92999896

WW >> about 20% of the MCU fims > BvS > Been raped > MoS > Been raped several times > SS.

>>93002043
why wouldn't you, it's trash and contributed to the industry crash

>>93000623
>this is /co/ where we only care about the most surface level parts of characters because we dont actually read comics

>>93002213
>and contributed to the industry crash
Marvel intern pls.

>>92997464
>YFW JL is actually good and Whedon gets the credit

>>93002043
The problem is that the death is being done in only Superman's second in-universe appearance. It's a weird choice to take him down so soon before he's had a chance to be built up or really establish relationships with anyone.

That's one of Snyder's many problems: he tries to shortcut emotions, but you can't do that. It has no impact. It's like telling us Batman is so filled with rage because of what's happened to him, but the audience hasn't been made to feel what happened to him so it falls flat. You can't command an audience to care about something, you have to earn that with character and plot development.

>>93002225
contributed, anon. Marvel and Image did the lion's share of the work but Death of Superman was still a major factor and basically kicked off the trend of CONSEQUENCES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME that continues to this day

>>93002182
The answer to all of them is, of course, no, because it would only encourage the studio to allow more works by Snyder.

We have to stand firm for the greater good, anon.

Wonder Woman was corporate and had no real vision, while at least BVS tried to be different

>>93001948
>ignoring the story by part

kek

>>93002246
I don't get this argument when it's used about various media.
Emotional investment is subjective.
I was invested enough for the story to work, and I always marvel at people trying to put rules on emotions.

>>93002281
>is, of course, no,
Can you justify why you think every note of the scores for the two films is 100% valueless garbage?

>>93002084
>>93002099
Replace MoS and BvS with the MCU and it becomes accurate. Interesting.

>>93002285
the Star Wars prequels tried to be different and look how those turned out
>inb4 "amazing?"

>>93002286
What's to ignore? Luckily the rest of the people involved managed to counteract what little poison Snyder tried to inject.

>>93002246

You don't have to make a dozens of films to show that bad shit happened in the character's past and that's why he's the way he is. For example i don't see a bunch of Taken prequels to understand that Lian Neeson have a particular set of skills.

And what's the problem of important shit happening in a second movie? That only bothers people that expect a huge franchise out of it with 10 to 20 movies. And Superman's death serve a purpose. With him, there's no need for a Justice League, since he can save the world alone. With his death, the other heroes have to band together to pick the slack and do Superman's job. His heroic sacrifice also motivated them to follow his example.

>>93002352
/swco/ loves the Prequels for that exact reason. that and they're mostly underage

>>93002352
They were at the very least as good as the OT IMO.
I enjoy them much more, but I recognize that the OT is also mostly well made.

>>93002359
>Luckily the rest of the people involved managed to counteract what little poison Snyder tried to inject.
Source?

>>93002393
The movie was good, QED.

>>93001507
>James Wan
>Good director

And with that your opinion is discarded

>>93002113
Uh, that's called "ignoring."

>>93002422
I'm not seeing a source. I'm seeing an opinion being used to justify another opinion.

>>93002369
well generals are cancer incarnate, it's to be expected
>>93002375
this, however, is just flat wrong

>>93002453
>is just flat wrong
Source?

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>>93002369
>>93002375
case in point

underage, or someone believes that movies are only as good as how much the director "tried". they like the fancy ship designs for being new, despite most people finding them bland and forgettable. they like the Jedi council worldbuilding despite it ruining Jedi for a lot of people. and they liked how it "developed" Vader despite most of that development occurring in a very long cartoon over hundreds of episodes

>>93002352
One thing I've learned from these discussions is that there exists a group of deeply-misguided people that simply don't care about the quality of a work. To them "different" or "new" is a virtue in and of itself, it doesn't matter how terrible the actual result is, they'll mindlessly praise it.

>>93002319
Because SNYDER REEEEEE

>>93002480
>Vader despite most of that development occurring in a very long cartoon over hundreds of episodes
Uh, TCW actually runs counter or at the very least treads water as far as Anakin's development goes.
Hayden>>>>>Lanter

>>93002480
But where did his blanket go?

>>93002482
>To them "different" or "new" is a virtue in and of itself, it doesn't matter how terrible the actual result is, they'll mindlessly praise it.
THIS THIS THIS
where did this cancerous mindset come from?

>>93002425
(You)

>>93002465
the quality of acting and writing alone puts the OT head and shoulders above the PT

>>93002437
And I'm seeing someone asking for sources on opinions. Since that is trolling, there's no need to meaningfully engage.

>>93002522
he hung himself with it goober

>>93002522
Unfortunately, Zack Snyder wasn't directing and since he's the only one who cares about having an airtight script, the finished product was subpar.

>>93002539
>the quality of acting and writing alone
But George wrote and direct ANH too.
Complete with what Harrison Ford infamously implied to be bad dialogue.

>>93002564
But the blanket was a thick blue line while the noose is a thin black line. Explain this sorcery.

>>93002482
>>93002533

Shit can be new and also good. There's also a particular set of person that can't deal with new takes and only accept shit that pander to their nostalgia. Even if the end result is pure mediocrity. The new Star Wars movies are a good example of this. They're pretty much the original movies redone and people love them for it.

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>>93002539
PT fans don't give a shit about writing and acting. They only care about ideas and world building

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>>93002555
This might be the first time you've admitted that your insanity isn't the objective truth.
That's progress.

>>93002603
>The new Star Wars movies are a good example of this. They're pretty much the original movies redone and people love them for it.
I knew you'd bring that up, but all the new things in that movie were lambasted too

>>93002603
>Shit can be new and also good
Well that's certainly not the case for either the Prequel trilogy or BvS, considering most people that openly like them are on an anonymous anime image board

>>93002693
>Well that's certainly not the case for either the Prequel trilogy or BvS
Objective source?

>>93002693

There's a lot of people that like BvS, though. Including famous writers, directors and actors.

>>93002480
the ship designs are the best part of the PT, to be fair

I'll say this about ol' George, he's great at creating a world that aesthetically compliments the themes of the story he's writing. The OT is a busted, used future/bad end setting where the ragtag Rebels are getting by on their scrapyard looking and organic-y ships, while the Empire has these very ominous, hard-lined and gray megaships. The PT is all about the fall of a Golden Age, so you have these slick, smooth-lined, colorful ships and buildings with everything shiny and chrome early in the trilogy and in the Core worlds, but once you go outside "the Republic" you start seeing the fraying edges with the scrapyard Podracers, then as the trilogy progresses you start seeing more of the hard-lined, gray ships of the Empire, and although the color remains, it's slowly leeching out with the only the Jedi ships remaining more colorful than not.

the problem is he failed to follow through past this aesthetic-matches-theme thing in the PT, unlike the OT.

>>93002728
>the problem is he failed to follow through past this aesthetic-matches-theme thing in the PT
I disagree.

>>93002533
I think it's a combination of natural contrarianism and a distortion of the usually admirable trait of keeping an open mind. But, as Carl Sagan is wrongly attributed to have said, "Do not be so open-minded that your brains fall out."

You have to be open to new things but still be able discern quality from crap.

>>93002742
and you're certainly allowed to

you'd be wrong, though

>>93002725
>considering most people

>>93002763
Objective source on you opinion being right and mine being wrong?

>>93002603
>Shit can be new and also good.

Obviously, that's how art or anything advances. But the point is that new things aren't automatically good. You still evaluate them as you would anything else, yet you see people praising something just for being new or different even if it's bad.

>>93002757
>but still be able discern quality from crap.
I think that people who don't like the PT while singing the OT's praises are the most guilty of this.

>>93002781
my decades of experience an actor and acting teacher telling me the PT has bad acting, and the OT has good acting.

>>93002815
>more opinions
Do you have anything objective?

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>>93002728
>the ship designs are the best part of the PT, to be fair
>yellow banana with wings
>chipotle burrito
>Slave 1 again
>bunch of OT ships but DIFFERENT LOL

it's pretty funny that "the ripoff movie" had genuinely more unique ships than the fucking prequels

>>93002616
You've confused yourself. We weren't talking about whether BVS, MoS, or Snyder were shit. Those remain objective facts.

You asked about Snyder on WW. His taint was small enough to be counteracted by the others.

>>93002815
What does acting have to do with this?
>>93002728
>aesthetic-matches-theme thing

>>92998609
>I fucked a hairy bubble
Try not to hear this while watching that gif now

>>93002840
That ship in your picture is bland as all getout though.

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MoS was about Clark growing up from being a guy from Kansas with strange powers and searching his purpose on Earth to a superhero who embraces his destiny and saves the world. The character arc in BvS is about Clark learning to deal with aftermath of that: the burden of being a public superhero and thus the object of political interest and controversy. He learns that despite his powers, he can't always do the right thing and save everyone. People will still die because he is fallible. A true hero is one who may fall down but just gets back up again.

When Superman saves the child from the burning apartments, he is surrounded by dead people embracing him, even worshipping him. But Superman doesn't happily take it all with a smile. In fact, he reluctantly turns his head away in what appears to be him feeling some sort of dread or pain.

I think this is Superman realizing that he is surrounded "by the dead". That he is so different from them, they will know death, he will not. Maybe it's even part shame, knowing that our fates are set in stone while his isn't. A God among men. But he also desires to be one of us.

In his fight against Batman, Batman says "you don't know what it means to be brave. Men are brave". And this is true to some extent. An immortal God figure cannot be brave as there is no risk involved. "It's time you learn what it means to be a man" means coming face to face with death, which is what separates Superman from man. If he can't do that, then he cannot be brave and he cannot be man.

This dilemma of death is eventually adressed in the climax of the film, as he comes to terms with his own mortality, and pays the ultimate price of a human being. Superman becomes man. Superman overcomes the final trial. And that is accepting his own death. And this is when Batman finally recognizes Superman as man.

Bravo Snyder

>>93002702
See? You're trolling here. Please stop.

>>93002842
>backpedalling
I'm actually honestly surprised. I didn't think your particular brand of lunacy included trying to save face- you usually seem so confident in your delusions.

>>93002845
the acting is part of following through

if the actors can't do anything with George's shitty writing, and are actually pretty untalented themselves in some cases, then he has failed on realizing his vision

>>93002888
How is asking for a source beyond subjective opinions trolling?

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>>93002865
and it's still more unique than a star destroyer with bites taken out of it or x-wings but not really lol

>>93002929
>if the actors can't do anything with George's shitty writing, and are actually pretty untalented themselves in some cases
These are more opinions.

>>93002931
>or x-wings but not really lol
As opposed to just repainted X-Wings?

>>93002840
the ship design in TFA was awful, neck yourself
>>93002931
>and it's still more unique than a star destroyer with bites taken out of it or x-wings but not really lol
so have you just...not seen TFA?

>>93002931
>Star Wars derails a Justice League thread
Can it at least be a crossover thread then?

>>93002943
opinions informed by decades of experience in the field. Not all opinions are created equal

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>>93002967
at least those have the name X-Wing instead of pretending to be another ship :^)

>ah my favorite ship, the ARC

>>93002842
>Those remain objective facts.
>objective
Do you have a source beyond opinions or not?
Because opinions are subjective.
This shouldn't be that hard.

>>93003018
>opinions informed by decades of experience in the field.
And yet opinions they remain.

>>93003034
>Because opinions are subjective.

Yes, we're in agreement. Luckily we're not talking about opinions. Why do you insist on trolling?

>>93002983
I just posted unique ships that fit the aesthetic of the empire while still being new designs instead of just OT ships with crap lopped off, you got any arguments faggot? The Clone gunner is maybe the only good design in the whole PT

>>93003066
>unique ships
>a box
>and an Imperial Shuttle with the top wing popped off

>>93003064
>Luckily we're not talking about opinions.
Can you please just explain this.
What are you typing at me if not your opinions?

>>93002913
What backpedalling? I've always consistently maintained my stance on the facts: Snyder is shit and so are his works.

Why would there be a need to save face when I'm right?

>>93003045
ok

my opinion is better and more correct than yours, because it is informed by extensive experience in the thing the opinion is about.

happy?

>>93003112

What do you think the films are about?

You can use buzzwords like adolescent masculinity, ham-fisted themes and pseudo-depth... but anyone can say X is not good. But did you truly understand it? Did you comprehend it or just reject it upon delivery and provide yourself the most simplistic and cynical interpretation of the work. What is your counter-example to your perceived failures in BvS?

>>93002702
The prequel trilogy has bad acting and dialogue. BvS on the other hand is very good. Here's a clip from the prequels.

https://.youtube.com/watch?v=buyflmtHcHc
The worst part of the dialogue, in my opinion, is when he says "I wish that I could just wish away my feelings." Something about the way they talk and act feels unnatural.

>>93003112
Man, you really let me down. I mean, i'm relieved in a sense. But I really thought you'd take a more unique tack than plain old denial.

>>93003124
>my opinion is better and more correct than yours
In your opinion. See how this works?

>>93003154
Denial of what?

>>93003136
That scene is great though. I never understood that hate at all.

>>93003085
>higgins boat
>a box

>ship has big wings so its an OT imperial shuttle

fanny flustered PTfag with NO ARGUMENTS

>>93003189
because you've got bad taste and are also an idiot

>>92997360
He co-wrote Wonder Woman.

>>93003189
What makes it great? How will you counteract my claim? It's a scene that COULD have been great with better acting and dialogue, but it wasn't.

>>93003223
Source?

>>93003124
Well I'm the ghost of Sir Laurence Olivier and I say your opinion on acting is wrong.

>>93003136

I got pusy that way before. I even used that quote. Bitches go crazy when you reject them in any way, specially if you give the impression that you liked them before in any way. This, with the added bonus of showing fake vulnerability and hurt, make them crave to "save you" from yourself.

>>93003228
>It's a scene that COULD have been great with better acting and dialogue, but it wasn't.
I disagree. I like both Anakin's monologue and the performances of Hayden and Natalie.

>>93003231
You're asking for a source on an opinion?

>>93003231
do you have a button to do this on your keyboard or are you typing it out every time

>>93003265
So you admit that it's not a fact that that scene is bad?
If you don't, then show me objective proof that it's bad.

>>93002534
>he really thinks Wan is a "good" director
Next you'll tell me that Olivier Megaton is a great film maker

Without Snyder in the DCEU, what will these threads look like in the future? It's going to be a lot more dull.

>>93003287
Who said the scene being bad was a fact? Anon just said you have bad taste and are also an idiot, and you asked for a source, kind of proving his point.

>>93003224
He only has a story credit, not a co-writing credit.

>>93003332
>kind of proving his point.
Source?

>>93003301
hopefully they're all hijacked by Star Wars until the mods start deleting them on-site, then just ban live-action altogether

then /co/ will be free of their blight and we can finally move on to the next crusade of banning generals

>>93003335
see this image
>>93001179

>>93003335

He also produced, picked the director, picked the actress...

>>92998874
>The characterization us good
Stop! Everyone was either a dick, or a retard, or both.

>>93003339
>>93003231

Only an idiot would ask for a source on an opinion, so QED.

>>92997332
No. I've seen the trailer.

>>93003339
I gotta give you credit though, this is a particularly clever form of trolling.

>>93003335
Wonder Woman is literally Sucker Punch WW1 sequence plus 300, but you can continue your "d-doesn't count" denial.

>>93003369
So he managed to pick people who are more competent than him. At least he did one thing right.

>>93003436
Sucker Punch was better.

>>92997360
Such little vision. It would be a shame if you actually mattered. to anyone. in the least...

>>93003369
Picked everybody and stood the fuck out of the movie. That's good enough for me.
I guess you guys missed the Patty Jenkins interviews where she was saying that the whole "she turned her back on mankind" was retarded and that they were going to ignore that.
But cling to the story credit if that makes you happy. I don't mind him getting story credit for all the DCEU movies ever made as long as he stays away from the actual screenplay and the director's chair.

>>92997566
You fucking idiot. Only a pathetic fucking moron would claim showing the movie's VILLAIN would be a spoiler. I swear you guys are on fucking crack.

>>93003476

>I guess you guys missed the Patty Jenkins interviews where she was saying that the whole "she turned her back on mankind" was retarded and that they were going to ignore that.

But they aren't.

>>93003457
lol

>>93003499
no one was really expecting Zack to be dumb enough to actually use Doomsday, much less in the second fucking movie

>>93003360
Using that image is trying to give a misleading implication.

All the image says is that "Story By" is more than just an idea. It COULD BE as much as a complete script with a one-page rewrite, or it could be a brief story document or treatment.

The anon who posted that wants you to think of the former and that Snyder basically co-wrote it, while we don't know what he actually did.

It's pretty sneaky, actually.

>>93003502
I guess you know better than the director of the film then.

>>93003476
Source of said interview.

>>93003542

I watched the movie and to me it didn't went back on anything. It's a perfect tie to BvS.

>>93003542
You must be new here. /co/ can see into the secret hearts of creators and know what they TRULY THINK AND DESIRE even if it's not reflected at all in what they make.

>>93003534
The funny thing is that the backstory for her in BvS was that she gave up on mankind after WWI, but the movie ends up the absolute opposite of that, which was an obvious rewrite of the original idea. Yet they still think Snyder wrote it.

>>93003602

>but the movie ends up the absolute opposite of that

It doesn't, really.

>>93003575
http://screenrant.com/wonder-woman-movie-dceu-changes-explained/

>>93003602
>absolute opposite of that
In which way?

>>93003633
It does, she wins the fight because she regains hope on mankind after seeing Steve's sacrifice and the gang trying to comfort each other while facing death. She wins because she's convinced that as capable mankind is of the most horrible actions, they're also capable of the most noble and selfless acts, and she decides to believe in that over what Ares says.

>>93003647
Explained here >>93003684

But in short: Ares wants her to turn her back to mankind and she does the opposite.

>>93003602

In BvS the only thing she says is that she learned the world is a place where man are unable to stand together. She never said at which war exactly she became so jaded or what drove her to think that way.

>>93003684

And in what that says she didn't lose faith in the future?

>>93003634
Reading comprehension much?

“Well, I think that I can only tell the origin story of who she is. I think that there is potentially a misunderstanding between what it means to turn her back on mankind… there could be a difference between having people save themselves and knowing that people must save themselves, and even still, being optimistic and loving about them. I think that they were sort of more [synched] up, but we were aware that her snippet [in Batman V Superman] versus the story that unfolded, you know… there is a journey of time between.”

>>93003634
“Well, I think that I can only tell the origin story of who she is. I think that there is potentially a misunderstanding between what it means to turn her back on mankind… there could be a difference between having people save themselves and knowing that people must save themselves, and even still, being optimistic and loving about them. I think that they were sort of more [synched] up, but we were aware that her snippet [in Batman V Superman] versus the story that unfolded, you know… there is a journey of time between.”

Where does it say the whole "she turned her back on mankind" was retarded and that they were going to ignore that?

>>93003755
>>93003764

Even more, the movie is about Batman's gift making her remember a better time when Steve showed her that man can be good through his heroic sacrifice, much like Superman did recently.

It was never said that she lost hope with World War 1. In fact, she's pretty nostalgic about that war and her time with Steve and his crew. Even in BvS.