So most of us have seen Wonder Woman by now, right? How do y

>>92979138
When compared to other movies, 6/10. Average blockbuster with great score and drop in quality with third act.

When compared to the rest of the DCEU, 9/10. Villains didn't make me cringe, great chemistry between Diana and Steve, story makes sense

>>92979347
>story makes sense

This. It was nice to see a three act structure from DC again even if the last act was a bit weak

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It was not as good as Guardians of the Galaxy or The Dark Knight

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>>92979138
By DCEU standards 10/10
By capeshit standards 7/10
By movie critic standards 6/10
By marveldrone stands -10/10

Pros
- story makes sense
- during downtime it's lightens up and has some humor.
- hero wants to save people
- main leads have strong chemistry
- amazons are believable
Cons
- weak villians
- child Diana and native American were bad actors
- ending was little rushed
- beginning has some Snyder dialogue

>>92979571
>-hero wants to save people

Meanwhile the Germans are potrayed as subhuman and she slaughters dozens of them without abtting an eye.

>>92979347
>When compared to other movies
Such as?

>>92979842
Nobody likes germans, not even german people

>>92979883

Forrest Gump, Die Hard, Independence Day, etc

>>92979883
Think of three movies that have nothing to do with dc. thats it.

>>92979842
>Meanwhile the Germans are potrayed as subhuman

Nice meme

>>92979842
Haven't seen it, are they really? Are they just faceless bad guys or do they actually kill civilians and do shit like that?

>>92979138
6/10

the final act was the weak and so were the villains. Wonder Woman's kinda superficial and incredibly naive. and her rather aggressive nature and solving her problems with her fist/sword is kind of unfortunate.

best DC's ever done since TDK though. way better direction than the last three pieces of shit they put out.

>>92980039

There is a meeting of the German generals where they are discussing peace talks. Only the one guy and Doctor Poison are evil. Meanwhile the British generals are shown to not give a fuck about their men and Ares is masquerading as a Brit

It was a lot more fair to the Germans than I would have expected. /tv/ just decided that the Germans would be shown as Nazi's so they're desperate to twist the film to match their narrative

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>>92979138
Movie was fine until the 3rd act where it completely shat itself and died.
6/10

>>92980039
No in fact more of the German high command are nice than the British(seriously one just flat out says he does not care if his men die). It's just that the main bad guy kills the German high command to prevent peace.

>>92980173
>Why did you give them a gas mask it wont work!
>they don't know that
>*EVIL LAUGHTER*
Fucking awful.

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solid 7
well above average
very much enjoyed it

the moral of this story is GET SNYDER THE HELL AWAY FROM DC MOVIES and they'll be good

6/10
Pretty standard cape shit

>>92980277
>the moral of this story is GET SNYDER THE HELL AWAY FROM DC MOVIES and they'll be good
No they will be close to watchable. I would not say this was a good FEELM.

>>92980252
>evil laughter
nah, it was funny laughter, they thought it was a hilarious joke

>>92980039
No, the Gemrans are presented as rational people who want the Armistice. The British however, not so much.

Also, the lady next to me whispered something very telling when she saw the German soldiers remove their masks/helmets at the end of the final battle.
>"They're just kids."

That's when I knew that the movie came through.

>>92980252
that was cute as fuck

>>92980245
>one just flat out says he does not care if his men die
Lions led by donkeys.

>>92980252
literally a "nothin personnel" moment. gave me a chuckle.

>>92980313
There was no fucking humor there though.

>>92979138
>making the Germans evil in WWI
This is actually the most annoying thing about any WWI setting.

>>92980385
They didn't make them evil though.

>>92980353
Think there's a movie about the French in WWI executing soldiers for not suicide rushing an mg position or something.

>>92979138
>So most of us have seen Wonder Woman by now, right?

No. I really, really doubt that's true.

>>92980385

Actually watch the film

Gadot is the worst part.

>>92980543
I'd say it was Ares.

>>92979138
I thought it was okay nothing special
My biggest criticism is that Wonder Woman's character arc is better much the the equivalent to a sheltered rich kid going to Africa and realising that bad things happen

>>92979138
7/10 which is higher than I would give most marvel movies

>>92979924
Top fucking zozzle.

8.

It was good, but had some faults. I loved the pacing and general buildup of things, but the final act fell flat for me. Also, Wonder Woman was so naive, you might as well called her Starfire.

>>92980308
this DC can't make good movies the comics are just too terrible

>>92980747
Well that's basically the plot of The Book of Mormon and look how many Tonys that won.

>>92980874
I didn't say any of that kys.

A few things felt out of place like

"Gas mask won't work"
"They don't know that"
*Takes hit of super crack*
MUAHAHAHAHAHA

But good action, good setting, I love the idea of superhumans fighting in war time settings. Final Fantasy end boss was pretty damn dumb but much more entertaining than Doomsday.

8

That's probably inflated from a 7 because of how incredibly low my expectations were.

>>92980597

nah, Ares was good, going devil style tempter in the beginning then powerhouse by the end was good. The costume needed a cape but I'll be damned if him carving out the facehole in his molten helmet was great. That and him having Poison to be killed by Wondy was a good use for both characters.

>>92980965
>"Gas mask won't work"
>"They don't know that"
>*Takes hit of super crack*
>MUAHAHAHAHAHA
That was Batman Forever shit right there.

>>92980992
Good to see that Ares is another Lex where you can clearly see retards are defending him

>>92980543
Gadot was the weakest part.

But on the whole I'd say she was fine
Okay
Acceptable

>>92981068

Why was he bad. exactly?

>>92979138

This might give away how pleb I am when it comes to movies (I basically only know capeshit and others I've seen on Netflix) but I particularly liked the dialogue in some places, it really felt like it came out from a comicbook, instead of Joss and Gunn's that are more sitcom like. I'm not saying either is better, but I personally liked it more.

>>92981247
So your tastes is just fucking shit

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>>92980383
yes there was, at least from their perspective. are you autistic enough to not recognize what kind of laugh people have?

>>92981116
>humans are fundamentally evil because ww1 happened
>nevermind all the good things humans are doing during said war or trying to prevent it
>all i did was whisper the instructions for weapons which have no other use into specifically the ears of mentally unstable people
>SEE, THEY DID BAD THINGS WITH THAT KNOWLEDGE HUMANS ARE EVIL

he's like the ultimate internet strawman accuser

7/10.
Marginally better then most of MCU films and significantly better then everything else in the DCEU, but not remotely the savior of capefilms or whatever.

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>>92981298

I don't watch movies, much less in theatres when they come out. But it was someone's birthday and I was invited. So yes, unless it has static pictures and dialogue boxes I have shit taste.

>>92980597
>>92980965
>>92980992
>>92981068
Honestly I've never been impressed with the depiction of various Gods in movies and shit. They're never powerful enough of visually interesting enough. But I thought Ares was cool as fuck.
Lame that we didn't really see Thewlis in the costume though?

>>92980252
>comic book villains acting doing comic book villain stuff
YEAH, FUCKING AWFUL!
PLEASE COME BACK SNYDER!

>>92980385
Only they weren't. It was just two of them and they were being manipulated by Ares.

>>92980597
Ares reveal scene was the best comic book villain scene I've seen in a while.
The CGI eye rape was another thing though.

>>92981462
He's the villain. He's supposed to be wrong.

>>92980277
>>92981717
You guys know Snyder helped write the film, right?Your whole "DC MOVIES ARE GOOD NOW THAT SNYDER IS GONE" schtick is invalid.

And I've seen a lot of people respond to this with "Oh so you're saying that Zack Snyder deserves all the credit for Wonder Woman?" And no, I'm just saying that his influence was still there and he was involved.

If you like this movie you are either a shill or retarded.

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i-it's not gonna happen, right? I mean I know everyone said it would bomb and it didn't but THIS definitely isn't going to happen... is it?

>>92981880
they're introducing a new category starting next year - Best Capeshit

>>92979842
bullshit.

all the soldiers at the end stopped fighting and were just all happy to be alive.

>>92981880
I could see it being nominated for more than technical awards, like Makeup and Special Effects.

>>92979138
The Ares reveal really hurt the movie. Seeing Diana realize that conflict is more complicated than killing one person would've been great. I hoped for and loved the scene of her and Steven talking after she realized he wasnt a god. Sadly they fucked it up and had to have a god battle and make her a daughter of Zeus

it was shit. anyone defending it is doing so because it's a little better than other DC films or is a SJW feminist

>>92981921
Let's get Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway back to announce it. We can get the whole cast and crew of Logan and Wonder Woman up on the stage together.

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Steve Trevor and the Island of the Amazons, was a roaring adventure. I wonder how Captain Trevor will escape that plane for the next movie. I'm sure it will be something.

>>92982356
The way they cut away from the inside of the plane feels like he was snatched by someone. Just too suspicious.

>>92982356
He ends up changing his surname to Jordan to stay undercover and fight crime Spirit-style. His great-grandson Hal is a promising dude.

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Pros:
>nice story
>Gadot and Pine are great
>I love Doctor Poison now
>Chief
>Robin Wright
>No Man's Land scene
>that Ludendorff and Doctor Poison laugh

Cons:
>almost everything in the third act
>CGI is really poor
>the slow motion thing seems dated these days
A very solid 8/10

And I really liked the score: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjCmY2AaDfg

>>92979571
Native American dude was a good actor though. Between Autism Mode: 100%, THE ACTOR, Scotland's Finest, it was nice to have a character who was kind of down to Earth and amiably stoic.

>>92981024

I fucking loved that part. It was pure cheese

>>92979842
>Gadot's Commandos hugging unmasked German soldiers at the end
>The high command ready and willing to sign the armistice agreement

>>92982414
I agree with you so much.
I also dislike the Daughter-of-Zeus thing. They could make her some "Godkiller' or whatever even as a clay baby brought to life by Zeus. The affair thing is so unnecessary.
Actually I didn't like the entire "we thank Zeus for creating us all" thing.
But still 8/10

>>92982700
I'm ok with that. I like the New 52 origin story

>>92982896
>i like the New 52 origin story
kys

>>92981879
>>92982201
Exactly. Seeing how WB's latest bowel movent is being talked about now is all the proof we need of how much this board is totally infected by /tv/, shills, tumblr-feminists, and practically everyone else on this planet that doesn't read or care about or care to understand comic books.

>>92982700
>>92982896
Diana's creation means a lot more for her mother than her.

I don't like the idea that it would just be an accidental pregnancy in the middle of an affair like in the new 52. I wouldn't mind it if it was just that she asked Zeus to impregnate her though because she wanted a child though.

>>92981879
>>92982201
>>92982998
it really tells you just how bad this place has gotten that no one is calling out these shills for what they are

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>>92982998
And here we go

>>92983119
incorrect, not giving obvious bait (you)s means we're getting better

>>92983168
if you don't tell these freaks to fuck off they'll just keep posting because they'll think they're wanted

>>92983119
It's just background noise at this point

>>92981868
true, he was involved in a way that's mostly meaningless relative to his shortcomings (directing)

>>92983119
Seriously. This place has changed so much over the years. When the Marvel movies started taking off this place completely transformed and none of the mods gave a shit. Being allowed to talk about the movies here killed this place. Can't talk about video games based on movies on /tv/, can't talk about movies based on games on /v/, (I assume because I don't actually go to those boards) but somehow on a board called comics and cartoons you can talk about movies and video games and tons of other stuff.

What the hell did Ares try to fight WW for anyway? WW had no reason to fight him at that point since killing him would not stop the war. If anything, Ares should have been stopping Steve from boarding the plane and not wasting time with WW.

>>92983202
How new are you? Responding to shitpost never works. Never

>>92983422
Wonder Woman was the one prophesied to kill him, she was a legitimate threat. And he failed to persuade her over to his side so taking her out then and there before she could have gained more experience or possibly fuck up more of his plans in the future seemed rather logical.

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>>92979842
Yes? Fuck the G*rmans.

>>92979138
Better than all of the DC movies, minus all the Batman ones (obviously not counting 66 and Forever/B&R).
Better than the lesser X-Men movies, all the F4, Ghost Riders, DD, etc.
Better than the Webb Spidey movies, and SM3.

Vastly superior to any previous attempt at female superhero movies.

Better than the Thors and the Hulks.

A bit below Captain America First Avenger.

Vastly inferior to pretty much everything else, including most of the X-Men movies, most of the MCU, Hellboy, SM 1 and 2, etc.

Feelt like the entire last act was Snyder's work desu

I don't mind Ares being there, telling Diana that he didn't cause the war, and even the part where he was the biggest proponent of the armistice. But there wasn't really a need for him to turn into a CGI throwing things fight, he was much better as a spooky teleporting tempter.

Complete garbage.

>>92984210
I, too, read Gawker.

>>92984363
You what?

>>92979138
About on par with MoS and BvS IMO.
I was pleasantly surprised.

I thought the tone was going to be much lighter than MoS.

>>92981868
He has a "story" credit, which means they use some concept he came up with. If he had actually written the movie, he'd have a writing credit.

>>92984485
>If he had actually written the movie, he'd have a writing credit.
Wrong again.
Take ESB and George Lucas.
George Lucas wrote thre full drafts but only has a story by credit.

IN HOLLYWOOD YOU ONLY GET A STORY BY CREDIT IF YOU'VE WRITTEN AT LEAST ONE FULL DRAFT LOOK IT UP

>>92982090
But at the end she still realized that because Ares was only influencing people, not causing the war all by himself. She still realized men are flawed and capable of awful acts under the wrong influence (Ares), but also capable of kindness and selfless acts under a good influence (herself), so it gave her more motivation not to give up.
They're gonna have to somehow retcon the "leaving humanity" retard character assassination Snyder did in BvS though.

>>92984572
>They're gonna have to somehow retcon the "leaving humanity" retard character assassination Snyder did in BvS though.
No?
WW2 will break her.

>>92984522
Look it up where?
Give us a link.
>it's not my job to spoonfeed you!
Okay so what happens if I find a link that proves you wrong?

>>92984522
Yes, but if you write a draft and only get a story credit it's because pretty much nothing but a thing or two of your draft survived, otherwise you'd get a writing credit.

>>92984613
But didn't she said in BvS that it was WWI that broke her? That would already be retconning it.

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>>92984643
I was almost correct.

Either way, he did writing for the movie.

>>92984645
>it's because pretty much nothing but a thing or two of your draft survived
Again, wrong.
Lucas came up with "I am your father", Yoda, Hoth, Dagobah, Bespin, the general plot outline that couldn't be deviated from, etc etc etc...

Every single one of you that are posting right now, I want you to tell me what comics you've read. Now. NOW!

>>92984825
Scott Pilgrim but only the second volume.

>WWI instead of WWII except the filmmakers really wanted the Germans to be Nazis
I don't understand this decision.

Does this mean she didn't fight in WWII? You'd think Superman and Batman would have heard of her if she did, and if she didn't, then are Nazis somehow less evil?

Also why did Steve die instead of just...landing the plane somewhere else?

>>92985026
Gas was on a timer and had a 50km radius or something.

I heard you guys like slow motion in random parts and HATE seeing any punches, kicks, bullets, arrows, and swords making any kind of contact, so I added slow motion in parts that don't make sense, then point the cameras away from the actors' hands, making sure to cut every time someone got injured.

Also everything is CGI all the time, but you knew that already :^)

>>92984825
Too many to mention here. I read comics on a regular basis, both superhero and not.

>>92984825
Most of the foxtrot sunday strips from 2008-2012

>>92984713
That might be how things were back then, not now.
See >>92984686

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>show Luddendorff snorting Maru's super soldier cocaine multiple times in the movie
>amounts to absolutely nothing when Diana easily subdues him

What was the point of that then?

>>92985026
The really odd thing is that it's an origin story that still skips 100 years of history. What was she doing between WW1 and meeting Batman?

>>92985098
That post shows that Snyder AT THE VERY LEAST wrote a complete story treatment though.

>>92985104
Because it's a nice little idea?
Making this random mook briefly as strong as WW.

>>92985026
>except the filmmakers really wanted the Germans to be Nazis
The only one who came out as nazi-like was Ludendorff, and if you see the historical figure he was based on, it makes total sense.

In comparison to other female comic book movies, 84927492840302/10. Seriously, this is the first good one. That's kind of a landmark

>>92985129
Yes, and that a significant part of it wasn't used therefore, he just gets a story credit instead of a writing one.

>>92985167
Oh yeah, I agree. I'm trying to think of another even passable one.
I never saw it, but Electra isn't regarded as quite Catwoman tier I don't think.

>>92985104
>easily
He put up a fight no one else was able to during the whole movie.

>>92985151
Just let him be. If they had chosen WWII instead, he'd be complaining about how Hollywood is still pushing Nazis as bad guys and how no one pays attention to WWI.

>>92985177
>and that a significant part of it wasn't used therefore
Not how that works.
A "page one rewrite" can change very little.
Look at Alien's (1979) writer's arbitration.

>>92985201
Visually, Elektra is a gorgeous movie. Everything else sucks hard though.

>>92985026

It had to be WWI because a big part of the movie is how WWI went and is perceived compared to the one after it. WWII was when everyone had mostly figured out how a 20th century war was going to go and so there was a decent pace to moving and fighting. WWI was a slog of slowly moving lines and bloody injuries. If you want a war that's dehumanizing, brutal, and messy, WWI will beat WWII most times.

Not to mention that Germans using chemical warfare at all is mostly a WWI thing. In WWII it's mostly associated with concentration camps, at least by comparison. Dr. Poison simply wouldn't work in WWII.

>>92982414
I'm with you there, the third act was a bit of a shitshow but that's the norm for capeshit movies these days. The ending was also too clean but I can understand what they were going for.

The characters in this movie are all great aside from Ares, Trevor's crew and Doctor Poison caught me off guard with how interesting they were.

What was Ares' power exactly? He seemed like Magneto with lightning powers.

>>92985233
Well, whatever makes you happy, Snyderfag.
He can get all the story credits he wants as long as he stays the fuck away from the final draft and the director's chair.

Its shit and Captain Marvel (female) will be worst.

>>92985299
>and the director's chair.
He championed Patty though and the fight scenes are very Snyderish.
>and they are shit
yeah yeah yeah save it buddy

>>92985279
I liked pre-CGI Ares.

>>92985205
For a total of 30 seconds, he only caught Diana a little off-guard and she was still much more stronger him.

>>92985333
Not that guy, but I liked CGI Ares as well. I don't get the aversion to CG that people have.

>>92985335
And it was fun.

>>92985277
>Dr. Poison simply wouldn't work in WWII

All they'd have to do is move it to Unit 731 instead and if they're fictionalising it anyway, it doesn't matter in the slightest.

>>92985335
Well, why would they spend much more time on him when he wasn't the main villain? He landed a few hits and kept her busy for a little while.
I would've liked to see him use the supercoke to do a bit more shit, but it was fine as it was. It didn't bother me at all.

In a perfect world, Snyder would only direct action scenes, and Jenkins would work with the actors and help write the script

I liked it, it was at least a 7. It doesn't deserve a fucking 94 on RT Jesus Christ.

The ending pissed me off, the whole "Some people are just bad and killing one guy won't solve it" thing was perfect, it should have just ended there. But apparently we needed a huge flashy cliché fight at the end which throws away what was just said before.

>>92985348
I'm not against CGI per se, just the lazy overreliance on it that most action movies have lately, and the climax of this movie was no exception.

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>>92985333
The mustache made Ares look like Nigel Thornberry.

>THEN I WILL DESTROY YOU, DIANA!

>>92985374
Still don't get the issue people have with Snyder. I loved WW, but I also love MoS.

Woman director and woman lead seem to be a great choice though, because WW felt nice.

>>92985392
Eh, I look at it more that directors envision some high powered shit and need CG to do it.
CG is getting better all the time.

>>92985384
Do you even know what 94 means? The score is actually in line with what you say, 7.6 for all critics, 7.7 for top ones. 94 only means that 94% of critics gave it a positive review. You could have a 100% 6.5 movie and an 80% 8.5 film.

>>92985384
I didn't really get the impression that it threw away what Steve said? I mean, half of Ares' gloating was basically him sneering about just how little he had to do; whispers and hints.

So in the end they were both right; Ares was involved, but some people are just bad and killing one guy won't solve it.

>>92985384
The final fight was great though.
It felt like watching a comic book fight.

>>92979347
>story makes sense
i dont think i would go that far.

>>92985438
But it also ages like milk. Just watch a CGI fest from 5 years ago and it looks like dogshit.

>>92985416
That's kinda what I liked about him before the CGI. He managed to turn from a goofy looking guy into a pretty creepy villain in a single scene. It's only when he's got his armor and starts throwing shit around that he looks kinda dumb.

>>92985505
How didn't it make sense?

>>92985473
But fight scenes in comic books are notoriously terrible. Especially since most fights involve more than two characters and just have messy splash pages.

I'm a total Marvel fanboy when it comes to the movies, but I really enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to the sequel and I hope this spells good things for the DCEU going forward.

>>92980252
Shut up nigger. Dr. Poison is waifu and her laugh is god-tier.

>>92985515
>Just watch a CGI fest from 5 years ago and it looks like dogshit.
I guess I just just have been better tolerance for CG and don't fellate matte paintings and models and shitty wirework like in Donner supes.

>>92985332
>He put someone else in the director's chair
If that's all he's gonna do, I'm fine with it.
And yes, the fight scenes were mostly shit. Specially the last one, and that really had Snyder written all over it.

>>92985569
I loved all the fight scenes, especially armored Ares, so hey.

>>92982414
>that Ludendorff and Doctor Poison laugh
I unironically liked that too

>>92985562
I don't fellate shitty practical effects either. The best use of CGI is the one you can't really notice. In a few years, this shit is gonna look as terrible, or even worse than wirework.

>>92985026
>>92985044
Why didn't he drop a grenade in and parachute out? It was an air base, why were there no parachutes?

>>92985608
>or even worse than wirework.
That'll be hard.
Superman 78 has aged very very poorly.

>>92985618
>and parachute out?
50km radius you dumbo

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So how will Shazam work given what they say about the Greek gods in WW?

I really hope this movie enters proper production already

>>92985627
Yes, it has. I found very redeemable qualities about it other than the soundtrack and Christopher Reeve. My point on over reliance on CGI still stands.

>>92985639
I guess I need to pay more attention- but how could the see the plane as it exploded?

So can Diana fly or does she just jump good?

>>92985642
They could just say that killing a god means to cast them into Tarturus.

>>92985757
I think just jump good.

>>92985026
>are Nazis somehow less evil?
Nazis were the good guys and Diana got triggered so she didn't help either side.

>>92985642
what do they say about greek gods

>>92983751

It wasn't better than Superman I & II and it was better than First Avenger

>WWI
>No Ducking Von Hammer

one job, DC. ONE JOB!

Did Ares get Hades and Poseidon, too? Or was it just Zeus and his Olympian kids?

>>92985642
Their essence is stored in the Rock of Eternity?

>>92985858
They're all dead except for Ares

>>92984674

She said she gave up on humanity after the war. She didn't really specify which war.

>>92985297
Being a god.

Is it just me, or is her face "asia-fied" in that poster?

>>92985757

She flies at the end.

>>92987200
Probably WWII because of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

That would've turned her away from mankind for a while

>>92984572
It still takes away from the punch and realization that it was just a folly of man. The part where she saw the German soldier's still going to war after she thought she killed Ares was perfect but they just stop after he dies. It should've just been: "Man can be evil by itself but dammit we try". Instead it loses it's moral by giving Wondy a single villain to punch and kill.

Also why did Ares give them funding for the trip? Was it so she could see the horrors of war first hand? I may have just missed the reason

>>92987582
I don't think it was explicitly explained but yes, I took it that it was so she could see what men did and was easier for him to turn her into an ally.

6/10 overall, compared with 2/10 for "Man of Steel" and 3/10 for "Batman v. Superman."

>>92985104
First to establish exactly what it was, how powerful it could be, and that he has it on hand consistently

Then in the fight against Diana, make her think that he truly was Ares, seeing as he was pretty super-human after snorting that shit, she never actually saw him snort it.

>>92987828
I was wondering because I didn't know if he knew that she was the God Killer then. I wish they would've explained how Ares would have found her if she knew. Man, that whole Ares thing just leaves a bad taste in my mouth

>>92980385
They actually want to surrender and end the war, hence the generals were murdered.

>>92987976
Yeah, he obviously knew. Back in the island, her mom said she was afraid of Diana going out because Ares was going to feel her power and find her.

Man, you can tell the writer was so close to having Diana say "I AM NO MAN".

I'm so glad they avoided that, I would've groaned so hard.

>>92988190
I meant on the island she said something about "If Diana knew it would be easier for Ares to find her"

>>92988224
Dude I bet it's somewhere on the cutting room floor. That whole NML scene was begging for it. I did like the costume reveal though

So how does the death of Ludendorff effect Germany post WWI? He participated in Hitler's failed coup and wrote the modern treatise on total warfare, stating that war was the natural state of man and peace were the moments between it.

Does Diana stop the holocaust or does she take a hands off approach to that?

>>92979347
>great score
What the fuck? No way. Other than the main theme it was a bland Marvel score.

>>92985104
As stupid as it seems to me now, while I was watching the film, I thought the supercoke was actually slowly turning Luddendorf into Ares. No idea how, possession maybe, but I would have preferred his actor in the ares armor compared to Nigel Thornberry.

>>92988271
Yes, because she would go out there to find him. But their path came across earlier. But maybe this is me thinking too much about it. If you only take it at face value, it still makes sense he would do that because their actions could actually instigate the war to go longer, as Steve's superiors said.

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>>92980965
The scene probably wants imply that men can easily toss their morality or kinship aside in order to survive, The Generals/leaders were all in agreement before they fought each other for that single gas mask

>>92980252
I think you meant "fucking awesome"

It's nice to see villains who can have fun with genocide.

Also, that bit towards the end where Ares uses the metal scraps to form his armor? Surprisingly badass... until he decides he wants to use his injustice special and open the gates of Babylon

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>>92979138
All the shook drones voting a 1

6.5/10
>turns Greek shit into God vs the Devil
>too much slowmo
>like 8 germans inside the trenches when it should've been way more
>Germans = War loving devil worshipers

>>92988471
I thought she said that right before Diana left with Steve. It wouldn't matter then because she was already after Ares. I might just need to see the movie again.

>>92988526
>>Germans = War loving devil worshipers
Where did you get this from? That scene where they show the Germans were willing to accept the armistice? Or at the end, when they're just glad the war is over and they celebrate along Steve's friends?

>>92988610
Yeah, maybe I do too, but like I said, if what I'm saying is bullshit, it still makes sense he would put money for them to go there because he's interested in stirring shit up.

>>92988660
Your reasoning makes sense. It's just the whole island part is kinda a blur

>>92988526
Seriously the Greek gods getting co-opted as God/ Satan stand ins really hurt.
"Zeus left us a weapon"

No, Zues wanted to get that D wet once more time before dying. For gods sake he once turned into a bull for some action, his libido was infinite.

>>92988224

There were loads of traps like that they could have fallen into. I'm surprised

>>92988526
>>Germans = War loving devil worshipers

Retard

>>92985104
to deceive us into thinking he was Ares in the trailer, because they want to do the "it was me all along" twist with Remus Lupin. unfortunately it was a pretty weak twist since Lupin was hardly relevant. if he was part of the crew that went with them to the front, and established that camaraderie with Diana, then there'd be that relationship that would give the twist it's needed gut punch.

>>92979138
For those that have seen it, I don't feel like waiting til August 25th to see it in theaters for 20 dorra. How much of the experience would I be missing by going cam? Almost all cause it only worth seeing for the effects to not missing much cause it is the dialogue and story that carries the film?

>>92989140
>Ares as Samir
>Or Chief
>Or Charley

For some reason I have yet to see anyone comment on any of the Easter Eggs in the movie, even the mindless Twitter people circlejerking over the movie. Is that just because most people don't know anything about Wonder Woman?

Anyway. Three that stood out to me:

The number of dresses Diana tried on was 226, the number of issues in vol. 2 of Wonder Woman.

Near the end when Diana is talking to the British Ares guy in the control tower, Angle-Man's Angler appears in the background.

The lady Diana steals the blue dress from at the party is credited as Fausta Grables, a villain from the 70's TV show episode "Fausta: The Nazi Wonder Woman".

>>92990154
Didn't mean to namefag, sorry

>>92989775
Charley would've been best since he "can't pull the trigger" symbolizing that Ares/Satan never kills people, only influences them.

>>92989775
>>Or Charley
would've wrecked me.

>>92989140
He had to be someone important to the war's over-arch tho. Honestly, I thought Ludendorf was just a fucking shadow-clone and they was gonna all naruto up in that. Ares is Ludendorf, Ares is Mr.Mustache, Ares is YOU.

>>92983119
If you've been in any comixology or comic sales data thread you'd know we have a dozen Marvel interns and probably Nick Spencer shitposting here. Just enjoy the severity of the BTFOing they are receiving with Wonder Woman

A solid 7 for capeshit standards.

It didn't do anything groundbreaking and didn't particularly excel at anything, but it was an enjoyable movie. Could've been an 8 or a 9 if they didn't go full retard in the third act.

>>92979842
Like they should, fuck nazis

>>92981462
>humans were fundamentally evil because ww1 happened

NO, you retard. Ares always hated humanity from the moment they were created.

Wondy believed that men were passionate, but basically good and that Ares corrupted their passion to cause war.

Ares was just like "No, humanity was gonna do this shit to themselves anyway because their evil nature, all I did was whisper a bit of knowledge here and there to speed things up."

>>92979138
>orange/blue colors with walking forward protag

I hate it just from the poster

>I WANT TO SAVE ALL OF THEM!
>Wonder Woman mows down germans left and right
>it's just who THEY are, Ares doesn't have a part in this
>why are THEY not stopping!
It would've been better for Wonder Woman to see that Germans were also just people fighting for their survival instead of "They are baby killer!"
>b-but Ares...
They made a point for him to just give them ideas for weapons, not control them or force them to pull the trigger.

If its poorly made, 2/10.
If its a average single super hero movie, 5/10
If its a great single super hero movie, 8/10

So its a 8/10 for me. Not perfect, but not near perfect either, so 8 feels right.
It definitely proved itself to be better then MCU's single super hero movies in general, when compared to Hulk, Thor, Captain America, and Ironman. I'd put it on par with Ironman.

>>92991132
She thought that the germans were Ares pawns, that they weren't really alive, just puppets with no souls. She changed of course when she realized she was wrong.

>>92979138
After 319 votes, /co/'s average rating is 6.98

So I googled about Cheetah

Is it possible to present her as a villain to rival Wonder Woman's powers?

Felt like i was watching a Sci Fi Channel original movie, but on a bigger budget.

Everything about the movie felt rushed.
Dialogue and scenes felt empty.
So many of the scenes just felt like they were there to check off a box on what should belong in a movie. Wily unorthodox bunch of elite mercs? Check. Scene to prove Wonder Woman's prowess without making her look like an antagonistic asshole to them right after they doubt her? Check. Sniper in a bell tower? Check. Why the fuck did she have to destroy the whole thing anyway if it was just a single guy anyway? Drednought at the beginning of the movie destroying itself because all the soldiers on the beach were killed? Check. Germans and English becoming friends after bad guy gets killed despite what everyone and Ares told her? Check. 30 Allied soldiers rushing Axis trenches with 20 people in them disappearing after Wonder Woman beats up 4 of them? Check. Big show was promised at the castle, with servants settling up chairs to view something on the lawn? Not checked, because why the fuck did they set that scene up??? That village that was full of slaves (but not really) couldn't even be seen from the castle, muchless establish any shots to show that, so wtf!?
Bad acting? Check.

I wanted to walk out of this movie, because everything about it felt cringe worthy. The dialogue was just there, nothing felt convincing or even fully thought out.
It's like someone just wrote the plot and the settings, and everyone ad-libbed their lines.

The beginning was alright, up until the Germans invaded and the ship listed for no raisin at all. If my 12 year old nephew didn't notice that so much shit didn't make sense, i'd swear i had a stroke or three to make me miss needed scenes.

3/10 movie.
I liked Batman vs Superman more.
This is on par with Suicide Squad.

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>>92991448
So does anyone know what happened to that Dreadnought?

I'm googling and it only brings up more questions, like how they were able to track Captain Pike despite him being on a plane.

>>92991482
he wasn't shot down that far out from the island, they just tracked him with binoculars and somehow got through the foggy night.

>>92988341
>Other than the main theme it was a bland Marvel score.
But it's not a Marvel movie.

>>92979138
I can't believe there are only 28 people on this board with any taste

Most of the super-human scenes, especially the vs Ares scene still looked like they had rubber-band people.

It was alright. weird how it took itself seriously. Guess I'm too poisoned by Marvel's layer of ironic self-awareness as a defensive mechanism. The ending though was awful. Literally Dragon Ball Evolution levels of "Attack the screen because we can't come up with a good ending scene"

Still prefer the MCU overall

>>92992426
Everyone does

And the DC drop next weekend will prove it

>>92979138

Not going to watch it because of the political bullshit around it.

Whenever a feminist recommends something, I automatically tune out.

>>92992565
>Being THIS retarded

I wonder if they played Ares too soon. Him showing up as British Wizard man is fine and cool, but him jumping into combat seemed premature.

>>92992565
>/tv/fags are literally shaking at the thought of this movie doing well
Nice.

>>92992686
Spoil me, anon, who was the British Wizard man Ares was disguising himself as? Aleister Crowley?

>>92992883
I forgot the name of the character, he's Harry Potter's godfather.

>>92992925
Sirius Black? Gary Oldman?

>>92993055
Oh wait, not the godfather, the werewolf one.

>>92979138
Overrated movie lol

>>92993136
David Thewlis?

>>92993178
Yeah him, he's a professor in this film too.

>>92980252
Fucking hilarious, more like

>>92981644
>we didn't really see Thewlis in the costume though?
But we did? Have you watched the movie?

>>92984825
>The following Rebirth comics
Deathstroke
Suicide Squad
Teen Titans
Wonder Woman
>A bit of Cerebus the Aardvark (my college's library had all the volumes and I wanted to see how batshit it really was)
>300
>League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (both volumes, the Black Dossier, and the Century miniseries)
>That Kurt Cobain graphic novel whose name escapes me
>Lost Girls
>The Sunday comic collection of Calvin and Hobbes
>JLA vs. Avengers
>The first Spider-Girl volume

>>92985026
Only Ludendorff was Nazi-esque.

Every other guy in German high command wanted to take that armistice but he wanted to win the war outright.

>>92980252
>>92980383
What you talking about? That's hilarious! Have you ever killed someone and then gave them a desperate last hope? Think about it! All those stuffy German generals going "Neeeeh, we don't want war! We're gonna peace negotiate!" and then they get gassed! And they get ONE MASK! THAT DOESN'T WORK! Shit is hilarious!

It would be like driving a limo full of people, then stopping it on a train track and hopping out of the driver seat and running away with the back locked.

>>92980874
Damn you're dumb as fuck faggot lmao

>>92993867
>Have you ever killed someone and then gave them a desperate last hope?
Is there something you'd like to tell us, anon?

>>92980252
That scene was better and funnier than anything in GotG2 though

>>92992458
Speak for yourself bud

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>>92992458
>Everyone does
Anon I...

>>92993998
I find death in movies hilarious at times.

It was a fun little movie, 8/10. Got a bunch of sensible chuckles out of me.

>>92985026
>>92985277
That and WW1 wasn't called the Great War for nothing, WW2 was basically a war fought on top of the ashes of the world that was destroyed in the first one.

>>92985858
The gods are dead, and only a god can kill a god.

>>92994205
So Superman can kill Ares too right? He's a god.

>>92994238
he's not a god, hes an alien

>>92994238
Superman's weak against magic so no.

>>92992458
mein fuehrer...

>>92979138
Average DC superhero film. A miricle by DCs standards, but undeserving of the praise. Gal Godot is the next Reeves? Gimme a break. The constant slow mo sucked. As did the last third, ending with another big cgi fight very reminiscent of BvSs boring ending.

The two leads are very likable and saved it tho. Solid, average film.

>>92979138
>34 people voted 10
Jesus Christ you faggots

>>92994238
No, gods seem very definitively supernatural and beyond mortality in the DCEU movies. Superman's very powerful, but he's still mortal. he can die.

Granted, that's just what we know now. Things could very much change if/when they expand on that aspect of the universe. It's interesting in context with Doomsday from BvS, since if only a god can kill a god... could Diana have actually died against Doomsday?

>>92994334
This, I can see people liking it more than me, but a perfect 10? Raise your standards

It was fun. Humour doesn't feel forced or overdone like in the MCU. A little too slow-mo and CGI heavy but other than that, a damn fine movie.

Anyone else find it funny that you see the Zack Synder filter once the movie's out of Paradise Island?

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>mfw Jenkins gets free reign on Wonder Woman 2 and it ends up being the next Dark Knight

>>92994334
>>92994375
I agree, it boggles my mind when people are talking about awards for it.

Anyone else feel like the movie is more about Steve Rogers than Diana?

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>>92994942
That's what happens when you make a Captain America ripoff

>>92989701
Well its not Dr. Strange eye candy if that's what you mean, yeah man just bootleg it

>>92995002
There's a significant difference between Captain America and WW, in that WW is actually good.

>>92992565
So you're letting feminists tell you what to do. Nice.

>>92994334
What about all those faggots voting 1?

>>92995002
>Capt America invented WWI

Are all Marvel Fags this retarded?

>>92994481
I don't know if TDK, but I feel she could make a very good movie if they let her cut back on the CGI. I think she'd be better suited for a Green Arrow/Black Canary movie, or something more grounded, where she can focus more on the characters and doesn't need to go full CGI on the action bits.

>>92995153
Honestly every fight was good until they got to Ares. Thing about CGI is if you want to show two gods fighting you pretty much have to go with it.

>>92995182
Yeah, that's why I think she would be better in a more grounded movie, when they can keep CGI to a minimum.

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>>92979138
>most people voting 8

What the fuck is wrong with you people? This movie is a 6.5 at best. Literally the only cape movies in existence worthy of an 8 are The Incredibles and Logan.

>>92995182
>they got to Ares.
That fight looked so much like the doomsday battle in BvS. Fiery Background, jumps and zooms, laser beams.

>>92982414
I felt Gadot was the weakest part of the film desu, doesn't help that I hate her accent/voice

>>92994720
It boggles my mind that people can say anything even remotely positive about it. This movie is pure, refined shit with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

>>92985642
There are lots of gods

>>92995283
You played your card too soon.
No Iron Man 1, no Civil War, no The Dark Knight, No Superman II, no Winter Soldier

>>92985416
I was kind of hoping that when we first meet Ares, he would shift forms between the PM, ludendorff and a few other people we saw. It'd drive home that Ares' message that the impulse for war is in all men.

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>>92979571
>amazons
They looked really hot and made Gadot seem skinny.

>>92995479
Best fight scene in the movie.

>>92979842
>Start a huge war with the world you cant win
>twice
Germans arnt subhuman?

>>92985026
the answer to both your questions
Captian America

>>92995477
I was hoping he would stay the background-manipulator role all the way to the end and maybe into future Wonder Woman/JL movies as a shady recurring villain, but I guess they needed a british man for a big CGI fight at the end. I'm also surprised that Remus Lupin was his actual face and not a disguise.

>>92995466
None of those are 8's.

TDK, Superman II, and IM1 are 7.5s. So is Spider-Man 2. The other are 7s.

They're very high up for superhero flicks, but I'm not judging them based on how they compare to other cape stuff, I'm judging them based on how they compare to films in general.

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>>92995139
so are we going to act retarded on purpose and just ignore how much they took from first Avenger?

>>92995479
Ah yes, you see this is the genius vision of movies today, when Amazon become BRUTAL MURDERERS. Wana portray the civilization that gives us the Wonder Woman who fights for peace and justice as a peaceful and advanced race of morally superior females? Nah, fuck that boring shit, they gotta be thuggish barbarians who kill what they don't understand.

You know, everyone's talking about how the sequel's villain should be one of her nemeses like Circe or Cheetah. And I'd be OK with that.

But I think, thematically, it'd make a lot more sense to have Phobos, Deimos and Eris as the villains, trying to either restore Ares or finish what he started. Set during the aftermath of WWI, so we can keep most of the supporting characters.

Of course with modern superhero movies you're obligated to go down a list of major villains for each movie but I honestly hope they do something less predictable and make an actual, direct continuation of the last movie.

>>92995695
Well, Steve Trevor IS meant to be a pastiche of Steve Rogers, and Trevor IS a pilot, so naturally he would die flying a plane.

>>92996173
I'm staunchly against the Amazons being depicted as warlike, but in the movie they were acting pretty appropriately, since they were being attacked, and IIRC the Germans fired the first shot.

Still felt like it glorified the violence a bit much during that scene, but that's Hollywood for you.

>>92996220
Well, in one hand, I'm not very much into the idea of a WWII sequel, because I feel it's gonna be too similar to this. She doesn't need to be involved in wars all the time.
On the other hand, I would like a sequel with Etta as her main sidekick. Having another male side character would also feel too similar and draw comparisons to Steve, so I think Etta could be a good change of pace.

>>92996583
Maybe WW could work as the "villain" of a funny Deadpool movie?

>>92996583
I meant it would be POST WWI. So like Ares' kids want to start another war but Diana prevents it, so she's preventing conflict instead of solving it.

Ares' pre-Crisis family (Duke of Deception, Earl of Greed, Lord Conquest) could maybe be minor villains, like the leaders of the countries the gods are trying to incite into war

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>>92996727
Yeah, but you'd still have the shadown of WWII casting over it. I just want them to sort of explained what she did during that time in a few lines of dialogue and move on.
Snyder really fucked up with his "left humanity after WWI" bullshit. I wonder why he feels so compelled to destroy each one of the DC character he touches upon.

>>92984210
If he didnt wear armour simlar to his comics counterpart people would've had a shit fit and you know it.

So if she did kill Ares, does that mean WWII never happens in this DC timeline? Also, the idea that the gods could be killed (let alone by JUST Ares) sounds really fishy.

>>92996986
It's one of those unconfirmed comicbook deaths man.

>>92996986
He makes it clear in the movie that the wars aren't his creation and he only nudges people towards starting evil to destroy them so even without him it's probable that WW2 happened by people just being cunts.

>>92984210
>he was much better as a spooky teleporting tempter.
I agree with this, I loved that reveal scene. It was pretty spooky for a superhero film, and the actor did a great job before the CGI took over.
But being realistic, I also agree with what he says >>92996911
We all know superhero movies have to end up with a CGI clusterfuck, at least DC ones. That's why they made the Squad face a threat that made no fucking sense for them to go against, for instance.
At least this one was good enough during most of it that it didn't matter much at the end.

>>92996986
Old Gods* dying is in the origin of the New Gods m8, it actually fits quite well

*though I think it was the Nordic ones originally

>>92979405
>The Dark Knight
>Good
When will this myth die?

6/10

I think people were so desperate for a good DCEU movie that they blew the first "alright" one out of proportion

>>92997136
I kinda agree with the score, but I also think that there aren't more than 2 or 3 superhero movies that go above that, so it was still pretty good.

>>92997189
But its gonna destroy their Justice League Tentpole when it doesn't go that high.

I would give it a 7.5

It didn't really wow me all too much, but at least the acting/writing wasn't un-redeemable garbage. Also I will just never really get over WW having that accent since I'm so use to her voice on other animated movies and such like JL and JLU. But it was still good, and really good by recent DC movie standard.

>>92996986
>Also, the idea that the gods could be killed (let alone by JUST Ares) sounds really fishy.

Ares had to pull out of the Trojan war because he got wounded by a mortal on an insane combat high.

>>92997277
>I M A S H I L L

>>92997253
Snyder will destroy it, not WW.

>>92996898
My understanding is that Jenkins hinted that they wouldn't be against retconning that.

It would actually work really well if they wanted to have the Diana Prince secret identity.

>>92996220
>Well, Steve Trevor IS meant to be a pastiche of Steve Rogers,
read a fucking comic
>and Trevor IS a pilot, so naturally he would die flying a plane.
this is the most unoriginal way of thinking of a character death ive ever heard, should superman have died trying to snap a photo with Doomsday for the Daily Planet

>>92997546
Yeah, it's obvious they started retconning it with the ending of the movie. She's seen actually gaining hope in humanity rather than losing it. They can just make it so she works kinda undercover, so people don't depend on her but on their own actions or something like that.

>>92997573
>read a fucking comic
It's an obvious fact. Grizzled, patriotic war characters were really popular at the time, Captain America had come out a few months prior and was the biggest thing on the stands, Rogers was a blonde, blue-eyed picture of manly perfection who single-handedly took out Nazi bases as was Trevor.

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>>92979138
High Rotten rating, and did pretty decent at the box office.

So by /co/ standards it was shit that Disney paid critics to shill.

>>92997546
>“Well, I think that I can only tell the origin story of who she is. I think that there is potentially a misunderstanding between what it means to turn her back on mankind… there could be a difference between having people save themselves and knowing that people must save themselves, and even still, being optimistic and loving about them. I think that they were sort of more [synched] up, but we were aware that her snippet [in Batman V Superman] versus the story that unfolded, you know… there is a journey of time between.”

>>92980252
Except that was absolutely hilarious.

>>92985642
The wizard was chosen to preserve their essence and find someone to mantle them

>>92981116
I think he could've been handled a lot better. He switches from smart schemer to dumb fuck the moment he confronts WW. "Help me destroy humans and we can have a paradise" just isn't going to be an easy sell to someone who grew up like WW did. There were a whole lot of other angles he could've used - "No, I've changed, I'm trying to bring about peace" "Hey, I'm helping the good guys wage this war." "Once everyone has this weapon, war shall be so horrible that not even humans would contemplate it ever again" etc.

>>92982201
I haven't even seen any other DC films and I still think it was pretty good for capeshit.

>>92982700
>I also dislike the Daughter-of-Zeus thing. They could make her some "Godkiller' or whatever even as a clay baby brought to life by Zeus. The affair thing is so unnecessary.
It's very much like Zeus of mythology, though. Granted, that's just about the only thing that has anything to do with actual greek mythology(apart from the names, obviously), but I still thought it was a nice touch.

>>92996986
Shit happens all the time in the Greek mythology, just like Zeus killing his own father. Though I still find it pretty dubious that Ares supposedly managed to kill everyone else.

With all the people crying and going nuts over the movie I thought it would be a lot better than it was. It was good, but not mind-blowing.

That steve guy really should stay away from planes.

He didn't seem to have much luck with them in the beginning of the movie or the end.