Looking back, somehow this is the most entertaining event Marvel

it gave us Muh Phoenix
that is all

>>92972458
Its only redeeming quality was that it brought about Muh Phoenix.

>>92972458
That event STILL pisses me off
>>X-Men dealt with all the death from M-Day
>>Kids blown up on school busses, sniped off front lawn.
>>Avengers always sit around, shit on other heroes and don't solve problems til it's on their doorstep
>>Event starts with Avengers saving a crashing plane.
>>X-Men introduced with Cyclops kicking Hope in the stomach

So
Fucking
Mad

>>92972558
You forgot the Phoenix 5 healing Earth and helping millions and the Avengers mad at them for doing it.

>>92972603
That was the best part.
>The X-Men have ended armed conflict, provided free energy and food to the entire world! WE MUST STOP THEM!

>>92972603
>>Iceman wants to talk to Cyclops
>>Cyclops sealing the fault line
>>Iceman goes back to Kitty saying that Cyclops is a massive asshole.

Also
>>Colossus gives whales legs, they end up dying on shore.
Like, wow, way to make Colossus seem retarded there, Aaron.

>>92972644

They've also taken over the world. Once you do that, you are the villain. They've taken away people's ability to defend themselves from the Phoenixes and mutants. Or to defend themselves from supervillains, Hydra, etc, all of whom were still out there. The only villain they bothered to try and deal with was Sinister.

Doctor Doom has pulled this kind of thing before, and the Avengers stopped him. It doesn't start being OK because the X-Men used to be heroes.

Making people dependant on handouts like free food and free energy is also a lot more morally questionable than it was presented as.

>>92972882

>They've taken away people's ability to defend themselves from the Phoenixes and mutants. Or to defend themselves from supervillains, Hydra, etc, all of whom were still out there.

Except they didn't. They took away guns from African warlords. Life in the first world was almost completely unchanged by their actions.

>Making people dependant on handouts like free food and free energy is also a lot more morally questionable than it was presented as.

It really, really isn't. Arguments against welfare or universal basic income are rooted in concerns about limited resources and having to fund non-contributors, but in a post scarcity world these things are irrelevant. If energy is worthless, then there's absolutely no reason to keep it from anyone outside of crackpot philosophies baseless asserting that progress is impossible without personal suffering.

>>92973186
>Except they didn't. They took away guns from African warlords. Life in the first world was almost completely unchanged by their actions.

No, they were doing the same to military forces around the world, and destroying battleships. As well as taking people's Sentinels away so they couldn't defend themselves against mutants.

And every government on Earth, elected or not, was suddenly subordinate to five cosmic-powered mutants playing God.

> It really, really isn't. Arguments against welfare or universal basic income are rooted in concerns about limited resources and having to fund non-contributors, but in a post scarcity world these things are irrelevant. If energy is worthless, then there's absolutely no reason to keep it from anyone outside of crackpot philosophies baseless asserting that progress is impossible without personal suffering.

Firstly, it's making nations dependant on the Phoenixes for those "unlimited resources". It's buying their loyalty, obedience and compliance in exchange for those resources, with the threat that they can choose to withhold them from you.

Secondly, maintaining those "unlimited resources" requires the Phoenixes to be around forevermore. If they leave Earth, or if the Phoenix entity leaves them, it's over.

Thirdly, there's the issue of how handouts always encourage "non-contributors" breeding in numbers beyond their ability to support themselves. Even if resources like food and energy were unlimited, land isn't, and encouraging overpopulation is never a good idea.

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>>92972644
To be fair, that's totally in character for the Avengers.

>>92973585

It's entirely in character for most superheroes. Even the most benevolent of world-conquering dictators is still a world-conquering dictator who was neither asked for, nor wanted.

>>92972458
That's pretty fucked up considering I thought that was so bad it made Millar's Civil War look good. But you're mostly right. The only event I liked since then was Secret Wars and that got really dragged out.

It gave us Uncanny Avengers at least.

>>92972458
I'm still salty about it fucking up the flow of Wolverine and his X-men.

>>92972603
They started to heal the Earth but then the Phoenix force started to corrupt them and the power started going to their heads. I recall they became demi-god like, started doing whatever they, fuck all to consequences and people of Earth were helpless.

>>92973850
this

>>92972603
Of course they're mad. If the world isn't suffering then they're out of their jobs. And if they're out of their jobs then no one will stroke their egos

>>92973922
Because the Avengers kept attacking them.

>>92974196

Because they'd TAKEN OVER THE EARTH. There are no circumstances under which superheroes are going to sit back and tolerate that.

The Avengers were mad that the X-Men did a better job fixing the world than they ever did.

>>92972458
The mental gymnastics to justify this shit.

Couldn't it just be the Phoenix, off it's fucking rocker vs. The X-Men & Avengers in an awesome team up?

>>92974512
But who would watch that movie?

>>92974471

The Avengers aren't trying to "fix the world", they're trying to protect it. Protect it from people who would try and take over the world, or individual nations, protect it from people who would oppress the population, and impose their will upon others.

Why is it so hard for people to understand why the Avengers attacked the X-Men for taking over the world? It doesn't matter how much "good" you think they're doing, they have no business taking over the world, no-one at all does.

>>92972458
I disagree, the most recent Secret Wars and Avengers: Standoff were both better written and far more enjoyable. The only thing good about AvX was Muh Phoenix, the actual book itself was the beginning of the fall of X-Comics thanks to none other than Bendis himself.

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>>92974543
>disney getting the x-men rights

>>92974550
The Avengers aren't protecting the world, they're trying to put it in a museum. They're trying maintain a perpetual state of now, unwilling to move into the future

>>92975119
That's what a shallow person would think

>>92972882
>and the Avengers stopped him.
He literally, LITERALLY walked away from ruling the entire world unconditionally because it bored him. Get your facts straight.

>>92972458
Civil War did it better.

>>92972458
AvX will never be the best of any selection of anything. Just the amount of X-Men stories it pissed away to jerk off the Avengers franchise for half a year makes it beyond irredeemable.

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>>92975119
>"Why don't you just put the whole world in a museum, Captain America?"

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>>92972477
>>92972490
This

>>92976481
It's the best selection in a competition between it, Civil War II, Original Sin, and Bendis' Age of Ultron.

>>92976981
It's already worse than Age of Ultron because Age of Ultron had zero consequences. AvX ruined over half a decade of comics build-up

>>92976150

That doesn't change the fact that they fought him.

>>92976981

What about Infinity and Secret Wars?

There's also Axis, but the only thing anyone likes about Axis was Carnage-Man.

>>92978498
Fuck you, Superior Ironman and Kingsley were great from Axis

>>92973458
>As well as taking people's Sentinels away so they couldn't defend themselves against mutants.
Didn't every country around the world start producing Sentinels right before Hope came back from the future?

>>92978498
I would rather read Secret Wars than read any of those or AvX again. That's not to say Secret Wars is entirely good, though.

>>92972458
FIVE
FUCKING
WRITERS

>>92978543
>Fuck you,

Well, that's excessive. I legit forgot Axis Hobgoblin, and Superior Iron Man was not popular with Tony's fans, who still hadn't gotten over the previous two times of him being treated as a bad guy.

>>92978574

I remember Schism depicting most nations as having their own Sentinels, most of which were old, outdated, and malfunctioning. But the Phoenix 5 made sure no-one had any Sentinels anymore.

>>92978674
Those 'fans' of Tony's were only familiar with the movie version and probably had no idea that he used to have a major drinking problem. And you deserve the profanity for forgetting Hobgoblin my man, while not as off the wall or intriguing as Carnage-Man and Superior Stark, it was still a damp good mini that doesn't get nearly enough love.

>>92978620

This is a huge part of the problems with AvX. So many parts of the plot just get lost between different people writing each issue. Major plot points that people waited years for, like the Phoenix 5 trying to undo the Decimation, and failing to do so, or Wanda re-joining the Avengers, took place between issues.

>>92978735
>Those 'fans' of Tony's were only familiar with the movie version and probably had no idea that he used to have a major drinking problem.

I'm talking about Iron Man fans who still haven't gotten over Civil War, which was before the movie, and who still haven't gotten over The Crossing, which was in the 1990s.

People who don't normally read Iron Man liked Superior Iron Man, until it just ended with no real payoff because of Secret Wars, but a lot of longtime Iron Man fans were not happy with Stark being the bad guy again.

>>92973850
>>92974026
What happened?