Christopher Priest opinion about /co/ assholes that shitting

>The extreme distortions– calling my and my colleagues’ work “garbage” –doesn’t help. Arguably, some fans reacted strongly to the stresses we put their favorite characters through. But to suggest that no part, not one scene or one page of the Titans crossover was any good– is just silly. This is the sad byproduct of our zero-sum society, wherein everybody has to be polarized to the extreme of everyone else. Disagreeing with how I portray Potato Man does not, in fact, make me an actual Nazi.

>So, somebody help me out. I’m sure many fans gripe about DC or Marvel not listening to them. Well, I’m listening. It’s important to me, to my job, to figure out what fans want and do my best to provide that while not boring them to death by actually giving them exactly what they want.

>But is no-drama Wally really what they want? If so, then what? Is well-balanced, non-tempestuous Damian what they want? If so, then what? What do we do? What stories do we write about these characters once they’ve shed the very characteristics that made us love them in the first place?

>With all possible respect to my friend Tim Seely, my former mentor Marv Wolfman, Devin Grayson, Geoff Johns and others, I find Dick Grayson to be the most boring Wonder Bread boilerplate character ever to pull on spandex. That’s just me. Tens of thousands of fans are *rabid* Dick Grayson fans. For the life of me, I couldn’t explain why. Grayson, in his various iterations, seems, to me, the ultimate expression of what I’m being harangued about around the web: the flattened-out character whose dealt with all of his shortcomings and character flaws. I see Grayson and I wonder, “And now what?”

>Is that what fans want– Damian to be indistinguishable from Grayson? Wally to have no challenges to overcome? And, if so, then what?

>I’m not trying to be sarcastic or even defensive. I’m trying to understand because, obviously, I’m missing something.

http://lamerciepark.com/wp/?p=606

>>92937942
>I ignored this characters previous character development because I didn't know how to write him interestingly except as an asshole.

Daily reminder that Priest is reading /co/ shitposting

>>92739997

“Priest is a hack and Deathstroke is overrated.” by Anonymous

“A nigger.” by Anonymous

“He’s also a self hating nigger”

http://lamerciepark.com/wp/?p=597

>>92937942
>>They also seem to want the writers, or at least me, to have read a decade worth of comics before putting their favorite characters into a story. I don’t have time to read 100 comics. I don’t know any working writer who does. I can read, maybe, ten. And I will portray the character the way he or she is being portrayed now, today, currently, not what was done years or even months before.
I guess he's talking more about Wally than Damian here.

>>92937982
Absolute madman.

How about not turning Wally into a pussy who shits his pants at the thought of fighting Deathstroke with superspeed?

Damian can be a little shit and not give people lifelong heart conditions

>>92937942
As if I didn't hate the industry enough as it is right now, autists pissing off Priest is the cherry on top of it all.

This sounds less /co/ (which generally has a favorable opinion of Priest) and more other sites, honestly. Minus OP who's obviously trying to stir up some (you)s.

Does DC not have primers or something editors give to writers about characters they want to write before they start writing? I don't expect the writer to read 100 comics of a character they write but I fully expect them to talk to or receive a condensed form or the info from the editor who has.

Priest wrote Damian really well in his own Deathstroke. I haven't been reading Lazarus Contract so I don't know what people are bitching about, but I think he has a handle on the character.

Is that what fans want– Damian to be indistinguishable from Grayson? Wally to have no challenges to overcome? And, if so, then what?
I WANT THAT HE WRITE THE BATBOOKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love damian because he is mean and cool .

Damian is still an arrogant shit, I don't get the whining he was written badly. At best he was a bit too douchey by immediately stopping past Wally's heart as a solution to the problem.

>>92938075
>Priest wrote Damian really well in his own Deathstroke. I haven't been reading Lazarus Contract so I don't know what people are bitching about, but I think he has a handle on the character.
This..I agree.

>>92938082
Oh shit, it's Damifag. Is this whole "/co/ assholes" thing just Damifag?

>>92938082
It's not like Damian shows up in the main bat books Damifag.

>>92938075
He did write him well. The crossover he probably just needed to tone it down a bit. Killing people at the drop of a hat and permanently disabling someone is too much.

>>92938059
They do but let's not pretend editors aren't sometimes
a) shit tasted
b) status quo dogs
c) dumb
d) all of the above

>>92938101
>tfw Damifag is pissing off Priest.
How can we get rid of this cancer?

>>92938082
He did say Batman and Iron Man are his instant YES'es but... I don't think I'd like him on Batman.

>>92938131
i love Priest.timfag i am his biggest fan 4 chan know that.

I feel like 98% of writers are out of touch with what the majority of fans want
at least I want just fun books
like fuck, Rebirth is all about nostalgia hype and happiness or whatever but most of the stories are still somewhat grimdark bullshit
I'd rather read a Superman Adventures story than almost anything coming out these days

>>92937942
>>92937953
People who think Priest's Deathstroke is God's gift to comics need to read this very carefully. What a fucking joke.

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>>92937953
>>Grayson hating

>>92938160
giving the fans "what they want" is a dumb idea.

mister Priest is mad Because of timfag Atlanta96, http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?96241-Teen-Titans-Annual-1-The-Lazarus-Contract-Special-Finale/page14

>>92938160
Fuck off. Rebirth is just mindless Transformers tier fun. Read something stupid like Superman, Flash or gl. It's all fun with no substance.

>>92938180
Oh, I was wondering where are Dickfags

>>92938169
Anybody who psses off characterfags is God's gift to mankind.

This reminds me of the attitude Bob Haney used to have when he was writing Brave & The Bold: "If continuity conflicts with MY STORY, fuck continuity."

This attitude is lazy and self-serving. At the same time, a lot of fans go WAY too far with continuity.

Niggers gon' nig.
I know you're reading this, Priest. Mention me in your next blogpost pls

>>92937982
Holy SHIT.

timfag Atlanta96, He said worse things..>>92937982
>“Priest is a hack and Deathstroke is overrated.” by Anonymous
>“A nigger.” by Anonymous
>“He’s also a self hating nigger”
>http://lamerciepark.com/wp/?p=5
that is timfag. Priest know him

>>92938220
Priest has been actively using Deathstroke and his history and continuity in his run. I feel like he's just confused/protesting at the fan reaction, but direct interaction like this with fans is usually retarded but more fool him. He's still, as a comics writer, one of my absolute favorites and easily one of the best in cape comics right now.

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>>92938202
Hating a character because there nice is edgy as shit and turning a character into a coward for the sake of giving them a flaw is retarded

>>92938197
Fun and substance aren't mutually exclusive, especially when it comes to superhero comics. This is a basic fact that everyone seems to have forgotten

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>>92937953
>>I find Dick Grayson to be the most boring Wonder Bread boilerplate character ever to pull on spandex. That’s just me. Tens of thousands of fans are *rabid* Dick Grayson fans. For the life of me, I couldn’t explain why. Grayson, in his various iterations, seems, to me, the ultimate expression of what I’m being harangued about around the web: the flattened-out character whose dealt with all of his shortcomings and character flaws. I see Grayson and I wonder, “And now what?”

Hahahaah, fuckin Priest.

>>92938219
Not if he tells a shit story.

I don't know if Priest is just pushing back against the (no doubt overblown) criticism or if he really doesn't get how an unrepentant asshole of a 13 year old couldn't function as the leader of the Teen Titans. Honestly I figured Percy was writing all the Damian scenes. It's a little disappointing to know that it was Priest, given how out of character it all felt.

Damian is a little shit with a heart of gold. His challenge is his struggle against his nature to be an asshole. The common theme with Damian is that he fucks up on a big level, then owns up to his mistake and tries to make it right. Damian shat on Aqualad and other Wally. He kicked other Wally from the team. He 'killed' real Wally and gave him a heart condition. All in 4 issues. And never once stopped and thought, "hey, maybe I should tone it down," or "did I just fuck up?"

>>92938043
It's just the autistic characterfags and continuity loving Johnsfags. Titans and Robin fanbases are full of those. They need to have a few containment books for both to stop the cancer spreading to other books and have some fall guy like Lobdell and Humphries to write them.

>>92938243
But I thought he doesn't have time to read character's back stories when coming up with brilliant new ways for Deathstroke to be an asshole, like traveling back in time to kill his son over and over again?

>>92938266
Maybe that comes later?

>>92938266
Cass Cain used to stop and restart people's hearts every other issue, the precedent is there.

>>92937953
looks like priest seems a great writer for Marvel.
Writing characters and doing good comics is not everything about, let`s throw some personal problem so I can write about it if there are not then you can do anything.
Go read morrison JLA, you don`t have a superman worry about lois having an afair, flash with a heart disease or green lantern dealing with his mother in a assylum, not every comic has to be about personal problems, much less a team book.
I would say is the contrary, If you want to integrate those problems in a team book it has to be a hell of a book to handle it like New Teen Titans or Legion of Superheroes because if it is not it will feel bland and mediocre like the last run of teen titans and almost anyone before.
Is not good "wally has pacemaker" and mention it once every 3 numbers because of it, you need to develop it into something credible and integrated in the story, you need left the epic route and enter into the human side of the story which is quite difficult in a superhero team book because almost everyone place the "lets fight the super powerful bigger than the universe villain and his intricate malevolent plot" so you don`t have the time or space to develop the heart disease problem more than a "shit, I can`t run faster because my heart will explode...but my friend need it so I will take the risk",,,that is what fans are afraid, that the human problem angle will not evolve into a proper history, that the character will not get the treatment that deserve (he can have a pacemaker, but tell a good story about it) and probably it is a simple comic shenanigan to throw one or two lines that will not aport anything (besides ruining the character)

>>92938264
Crossovers are guaranteed shit. The only one to blame is yourself.

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>>Bendis forgets small continuity like some literal who X men or some bizarre character development in X men #316481
>/co/ spergs out
>Costa forgets and ignores some obscure Eddie Brock facts/development from 10 years ago
>/co/ speeds out
>Pries turns Wally into a scaredy cat with hear problems ignoring anything about the character from the last 20 years while shitting on Dick
>>"THANK YOU BASED BLACKMAN,CONTINUITY IS FOR LOSERS"

explain yourselves faggots

>>92938043
As if I didn't hate the industry enough as it is right now, a wildly overrated author being so full of himself and out of touch with reality as to respond to what the internet has to say about his work (especially when they have valid criticisms) is the cherry on top.

>>92938294
>>92938335
Are you kind of retarded or something, senpaitachi?

>>92938266
>He 'killed' real Wally and gave him a heart condition
He did not know that would happen the flash guy Have self-healing..

>>92938266
>And never once stopped and thought, "hey, maybe I should tone it down," or "did I just fuck up?"

No, but he did act nice towards Raven rather be a demanding dick when they needed the power of friendship to help Wally.

>>92938331
Cass Cain used to also 'speak' body language. Cass Cain is stupid.

>>92938337
Because I felt the need to shit stir on the Internet as a "professional" author?

>>92938266
>The common theme with Damian is that he fucks up on a big level, then owns up to his mistake and tries to make it right
basically, repetitive trite.

DC should've left him dead.

>>92938331
>Cass Cain used to stop and restart people's hearts every other issue
Not on a teammate.

>>92938335
>Le "DC is Gods pretending to be men and Marvel is men pretending to be gods" meme.
Fuck off back to r/Mcu or r/rebirth.

>>92938335
TL;Dr

>>92938363
>DC should've left him dead.

Timfag now Even the writers hate you

>>92937942
The problem wasn't even how you used the characters Mr. Priest, problem is the story is inherently shit. By last issue you have a plausible setup even though we have ass pulled a lot of things by now (how does DS know about speed force, how does he have a machine that can siphon a power of speedster etc) but alright, it doesn't matter because it's a basic setup and I can sort of believe in it, the real problems come later where DS has now managed to master being a speedster with speed force power within minutes.
In the last issue also Damian know everything you needed him to know, did he read your script and I do mean that literally. The little shit was doing everything needed to be done to move the plot wherever it needed to go (how the fuck does he know about the mechanics of time travel).
Also the time travel shit was not thought out well enough and came out as if you made stuff up as you went along. So DS is going back in time and killing Grant again and again even before the Teen Titans of that era have a chance to meet him for the first time. This should theoretically change the timeline but it doesn't yet one time Damian punches Wally to stop his heart and suddenly he has heart disease. That's just a plot hole right there (and yes faggots, this is the proper use of the term).
Your DS has so far been amazing and well thought out and while the character arc for DS does make sense, the means of getting there, which is the whole story, is utterly devoid of quality and just plain nonsense.

>>92937942
>>92937953
Priest, stop whining. If you've read online reactions, you'd know some people also liked Lazarus, or at least, parts of it (specifically, the Deathstroke parts). So focus on that. You're not going to please everyone. You're not supposed to. You'll get shit on at times, too. It's fine. It's supposed to happen. It shouldn't worry you.You're writing a great book, that doesn't mean every aspect of it will be loved religiously by everyone.

>>92937980
That makes him a great Slade writer though.

>>92938343
It's just pretentiousness. They like pretending like reading "Deathstroke wants to hug his kids but instead decides to murder them" makes them above it all, despite their main hobby being shitposting instead of reading comics.

>>92938364
Murder is murder.

>>92938335
Justice League had Kyle constantly feel like he was way over his head on the League and couldn't fit the shoes left by Hal (lifted from his solo book), hence why he was bonding with Wally who had gone through the same thing after Barry died. Similar stuff happened with the other new members. The Trinity didn't do that shit because they had their own books for personal stories, they got to be the big guns shouldering the responsibility of the League and command

>>92938389
>this is the proper use of the term.
Congratulations, it actually is.

>>92938291
DC right now is already full of containment books.

>>92938331
>>92938405
Show one instance where she made someone need to have a pacemaker for the rest of their lives.

>>92938412
But this crossover happened. I don't need titans, Abnett and Percy spreading into good books.

>>92938408
but that is something you can through one time every 5 books and will stop the time you choose him to realize he is a good green lantern as anyone in his own way, the end.

>>92938388
Tim is shit. Robinfaggotry is cancer.

>>92938425
She killed Harper's mother..

>>92938075
His voice was very off even there. He didn't sound close to a high and mighty aristocrat, just a plain edgy 13 year old that shitposts on /co/.

>>92938457
Dead people don't need pacemakers.

>>92938457
>Harper's mother
Who?

>>92938457
Post-Flashpoint is a shitshow and is not the DCU proper.

>>92938335
There's been stuff like JLI, ostrander's Spectre and Dixon's GA that dealt with personal stuff. Superman in the 90s was a full blown soap opera. You just need to read more stuff.

>>92938447
Yes because Deathstroke is an exception to bland ass rebirth and must be brought down.

>>92937942
This just goes to show Damian is one of the worst characters of all time. He is literally incapable of character development.

He has ONE character arc in him and that's it. Everyone knows it.

>>92937953
> I find Dick Grayson to be the most boring Wonder Bread boilerplate character ever to pull on spandex. That’s just me. Tens of thousands of fans are *rabid* Dick Grayson fans. For the life of me, I couldn’t explain why. Grayson, in his various iterations, seems, to me, the ultimate expression of what I’m being harangued about around the web: the flattened-out character whose dealt with all of his shortcomings and character flaws. I see Grayson and I wonder, “And now what?”
Please, never touch a nightwing book.
Now I know why nightwing seemed so off target in the crossover.

>>92938457
I don't think you understood the question

>>92938497
Good thing you told him that! He was just itching to get on the Nigthwing solo series but maybe your comments has changed his mind.

>>92938482
Who's got the time?

>>92937942
I can see why this guy worked at Marvel for so long.

>>92937942
>>So, I’m reading all of this hoopla online about the Titans crossover event and how terribly I handled Damian and OG Wally and why didn’t I know this thing happened on page 6 of Obscure Comics #12 back in 2004. Okay, I heard you.
>>And now what? So, Damian is (apparently) no longer a little shit. He is thoughtful and more mature and less impulsive, less self-centered. Great. I got it wrong. And now what? What do we do with a character after we’ve smoothed out all of the rough edges and rounded off all the corners?
>>Wally *doesn’t* have a heart problem. Gotcha. And now what? How do we make OG Wally relevant or even interesting? I’m not trying to pick a fight or insult anybody, I’m really asking: and now what? What do the fans actually want? They seem to want their heroes to be perfect and problem-free.
>They also seem to want the writers, or at least me, to have read a decade worth of comics before putting their favorite characters into a story
Yes. That is your job, and its an editors job to make sure you do.

>I don’t have time to read 100 comics. I don’t know any working writer who does. I can read, maybe, ten. And I will portray the character the way he or she is being portrayed now, today, currently, not what was done years or even months before.

Then you don't deserve to be writing part of a shared universe. DC needs to fire this motherfucker.

>>92938495
Tim drake is boring .That's the reason why he's dead.

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>>92937953
>With all possible respect to my friend Tim Seely, my former mentor Marv Wolfman, Devin Grayson, Geoff Johns and others, I find Dick Grayson to be the most boring Wonder Bread boilerplate character ever to pull on spandex.
So can we all agreed that Priest is, dare I say,
/OURGUY/?

What pisses me off is there were some good points about how story wasn't actually good in the storytime threads but all of it was drown out in the echoes of characterfaggotry. And that's what Priest focused here, not the actual criticism but shitty characterfags.

What the fuck is this thread

>>92938545
Of course

>>92938545
If you mean a memer instead of someone who actually reads comics then yeah, he's your guy.

>>92938482
I am not seeing there is not good stuff treating personal stuff I am saying that is more difficult in a team book. And either I say it can not been done in a team book (and I exemplify with new teen titans and legion of super heroes and if you want add JLI or ostrander`s suicde squad).
But for every good team book with personal stuff you have ten that are awful and that is what fans are afraid, that you will touch a character in a team book and get 0 development after that.

>>92938497
Kek. He's right though. That's what happens when you have no good books, and all you get is shit like Dixon, Grayson, Higgins and Seeley. The only time Dick has been good is when he wasn't Nightwing.

>>92938552
What do you expect? characterfaggotry was always terrible and obnoxious but it's gotten even louder with rebirth.

>>92938556
A butt hurt author just discovered the internet apparently.

>>92938564
He reads comics, just not the shitty ones.

>>92938545
/co/ is in its majority Dickfag, so no. Also fuck off with your shitty meme.

>>92938571
I know don't they know that superhero comics aren't about the characters?

>>92938542
Damifag I hope when you get old enough to have your first period you hemmorage until you die

>>92938524
yep, right now I will look with suspicion every bat book he would.

>>92938552
What actual criticism tho?

>>92938587
Read his diatribe again slowly.

>>92938552
>hhur durr writing a character out-of-character is totally good and cool

Go back to indieshit

>>92938600
Timfag you make the world hate you..

>>92938542
I don`t like tim very much...but he is not dead and probably will come back after mr oz is beaten

>>92938596
1. stories can be plot driven, not character driven
2. mindlessly liking anything a character shows up regardless of the writer is stupid. Have some goddamn taste.

>>92938545
He pretty much is.

>>92938614
My point still stands.

>>92938545
nop, he is not.
It seems he can only write character that none cares about their status quo (like deathstroke).

>>92938545
Yeah, he is. It was about time that someone called Dickfags on their character bullshit

>>92938611
>>92938389

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>>92938075
This. Especially during the end.
Damian is literally the only person that actually logical during all of that.
Making Wally cry like a bitch is a bonus point, but everything he did is actually makes sense, in character, and I personally think that was the best to do in that situation.

What I don't understand is why everyone is either useless or a pussy bitch? Like hell both Wally are the shittiest character during that arc.
I'm speaking as someone who used to hate Damian.

>>92938545
Well he's not wrong, so I guess the answer is yes.

Did Hiromoot fire all the mods when he hired new janitors? Damifag hasn't been banned and he has been shitposting whole week. He needs to be openly banned.

>>92937953
>I find Dick Grayson to be the most boring Wonder Bread boilerplate character ever to pull on spandex
Of course a literal priest will find homosexuality bad.

>>92938568
Depends who you ask, it doesn´t adjust at what you want or like, good (or bad?) for you. Tastes are tastes.
Besides that, it was a run who had more than 100 comics and a lot of people liked it. It worked and prove to be a success and full of fans.

>>92938398
This. It's nice that he pays attention to fan reactions, but he should follow the DC method of going on about his business.

And of course, it's nice to know he writes an article instead of melting down in Twitter or something.

>>92938722
Damifag is a girl. I think shes sixteen? She got banned from all other comic sites and 4chan is the only one that doesn't permaban her.

>>92938545
Don't forget the rabid fans.

>>92938567
I don't know how that even neglects anything I said. You just said that some books are good and majority are shit.

>>92938762
>Damifag is a girl.
I'm actually sure that this meme is being spread by Damifag himself. Fuck off

>>92938389
>>92938389
>DS has now managed to master being a speedster with speed force power within minutes.
Enhanced brain
>poor use of time travel
Agreed
>Damian coming up with a theory and executing it
Nothing wrong with that. His plan is retarded though and so is the heart stopping(though this was most likely Abnett's idea)
Also, the Lazarus contract is only briefly mentioned at the start and didn't plan a part in the events of the storyline called "Lazarus contract"

>>92938793
>>92938762
>>92938762
Timfags .she is right.

>>92938611
How about the plotholes involving the inconsistent use of time travel
>Deathstroke can kill/knockout Grant before his fight with the Titans several times and yet there seem to be no repercussions on the timeline and he can just try again.
>Damian punches past Wally in the heart and that somehow automatically depowers Deathstroke since black Wally didn't have powers for Deathstroke to steal (even though black Wally's powers had nothing to do with ginger Wally)
Slade preventing Ravager from fighting the Titans should undo his vendetta against them even if it doesn't bring Grant back, which means he shouldn't have been stalking and kidnapping both Wallys and getting Speedforce powers

>>92938545
Make a new thread about it.

>>92938742
That doesn't mean any of it was remarkable or well written. No one who has read good capeshit would rank any of Nightwing very highly.

>>92938812
It's speedforce, Priest don't have to explain shit

>>92938790
>You just said that some books are good and majority are shit.
YES!!! I thought that was common sense.
You think that are more good comics that bad ones?

Anyone wanna give me a rundown on what the hubbub is all about?

>>92938742
>Tastes are tastes.
Shut the fuck up, "much opinion is not always a good excuse. I like dome shitty movies, I recognize the fact that they're not good but I still enjoy them.

>>92938874
Priest confirmed to be /ourguy/.

>>92938799
Yeah why the fuck was it called Lazarus Contract when it had nothing to do with the whole story? I feel like "DS makes a bargain to NW to train his girl" was supposed to be a plotline of Deathstroke but priest or probably editors used it here. It would have been a cool thing in standalone book and I hope Priest uses expands it more.

>>92938874
Lazarus contract was shit, Priest wrote characters other than Slade poorly and now he's bitching about people not wanting interesting stories or character development despite that not being the criticism.

>>92938874
Lazarus Contract
Wally has a chance to fight Slade but flees. He later confesses that was afraid (and still was during the climax)
People are also upset about how Damian went full-asshole during the crossover and how his gambit to stop Slade (even if temporarily) ended up forcing Wally to require a pacemaker.

>>92938829
no, I would not put him not even a mile near sandman, year one, swamp thing etc. but I would put him over quite a lot of comics that right now are being published.
Not everything I like had to be a master piece.

>>92937942
Looks like Priest saw Damifag and assumed it speaks for the entire consumer base.

Also what is he talking about "Wally *doesn’t* have a heart problem"? No shit, that was the twist. Were people seriously criticising this as if he didn't know?

>>92938930
It sounds like it. I'm confused as well.

>>92938899
No. Jim Owsley or as he likes to call himself Christopher Priest is a coon. He considers working on black characters a demotion so I must ask then who should write the black characters mr. Priest? The white man? Just because you wish you were white and want to write the whitest characters doesn't mean everyone should be ashamed of their heritage.

>>92938833
>bad writing is allowed to be bad writing because lol speedforce
I hope you are saying this ironically otherwise kill yourself.

Am I the only one who liked Wally being scared of Slade? The whole
>your whole deal is speed, if we both have speed, you're a regular kid and I'm still the world's greatest killer
makes sense. The only 'flaw' is Slade wouldn't be as experienced as Wally with it, but Slade's brain can make up for that.

>>92938930
>Looks like Priest saw Damifag and assumed it speaks for the entire consumer base.
no priest saw Timfag Atlanta96, shit post
http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?92531-Is-DC-still-treating-Wally-West-badly/page64
he even says it.

>>92938881
what? because you did not like it, it has to be bad?

>>92937942
>How do we make OG Wally relevant or even interesting?

This one is super easy. Give him his own book instead of recreating Wolfman Titans storylines that never helped Wally.

>>92938833
>it's speedforce
No it's not, it's a serious problem in the story.

>>92938954
You sure you're replying to the right person?

>>92937953

>With all possible respect to my friend Tim Seely, my former mentor Marv Wolfman, Devin Grayson, Geoff Johns and others, I find Dick Grayson to be the most boring Wonder Bread boilerplate character ever to pull on spandex. That’s just me. Tens of thousands of fans are *rabid* Dick Grayson fans. For the life of me, I couldn’t explain why. Grayson, in his various iterations, seems, to me, the ultimate expression of what I’m being harangued about around the web: the flattened-out character whose dealt with all of his shortcomings and character flaws. I see Grayson and I wonder, “And now what?”

He's right. If Grayson proved anything, it's that you can't make the character Dick Grayson entertaining without making his entire book just fanservice on top of fanservice.

>>92937982
>“Priest is a hack and Deathstroke is overrated.” by Anonymous
>“A nigger.” by Anonymous
>“He’s also a self hating nigger”
>http://lamerciepark.com/wp/?p=597
Timfag Atlanta96, says it
http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?92531-Is-DC-still-treating-Wally-West-badly/page64
Priest read it.

>>92938958
No, you are not. It's just Wallyfags' autism

>>92938956
Here's the actual explanation, he kept going back in time and undoing the Grant dying part, that's why the effects weren't felt in the present. The speedforce IS a dumb concept though and used as an excise for shit writing and power level wanking.

>>92938976
new teen titans nightwing was good, original nightwing book was good, new 52 book was bad, grayson was good, rebirth nightwing is good....not bad in my book.

>>92938958
No, it was good. Wallyfags are just retarded powerlevel children that think Wally should never ever be harmed, much less be defeated by anyone.

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>>92938958
>Slade's brain can make up for Wally having years worth of experience against other speedsters and utilising the Speed Force in creative ways
Sladefags everybody

>giving a fuck about what fans say
>wasting time and energy in writing about the matter
Didio, tell him to behave like a real DC writer, please.

>>92938962
No you idiot, this isn't about personal feelings, I outright spelled that out for you.

>>92938911

I only skimmed the last issue. Did he say why Wally was afraid? I could see actual reasons for that, seeing as how Wally's just coming off of being stuck in the Speed Force and losing everything. It'd be fair to be afraid of losing your chance at getting your life back. If it was just "lol, cowardice", though, I can understand people being pissed.

>>92939017
Timeline should have constantly been changing, speedforce is dumb and time travel stories that are not passive are most of the times shit and write themselves into a corner.

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>>92939044
Well, he's quicker where it counts!

>>92939019
You just have poor taste.

>>92938960
>>92938992
What post are you referring to? I don't see anything in the cbr link

>>92939037
>>92939007
You guys can't ignore that the speedforce is semi-mythical force and that using it is a skill on all of it's own. This is like if a character that have never used sword before picked up a sword and defeat a master swordsman.

>>92939068
You cheeky cunt.

>>92939063
I can't remember.

>>92939056
but yours "is a bad run or is a good run" is as subjective as "I like or I didn`t like it". You don`t make a rationalization of why you think is bad.

>>92939074
or you have poor taste. "Tastes are tastes".
If you don`t like it but other people do, it has to disappear because you don`t like it?

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>>92938358
>>92938958
Ignoring the fact that Wally has faced speedsters with combat training,I think peoples main problem is with Wally running away,Wally could've at least got his shit kicked in and ran but having him run scared despite him facing opponents who were leagues above him head o just leaves a bad taste in my mouth,like the guy that fought Zoom at his peak,fought the black flash powerless is not the kind of guy who runs from a fight

>>92938958
I can buy Wally being scared. But running away like a little bitch without even trying to fight Slade?

Dude has fought Zolomon and Thawne and the Black Racer, evil speedsters who actually know how to use their powers. Slade is not so scary that Wally should turn tail and run

>>92939067
>Timeline should have constantly been changing
Depends on how you view time travel. That particular moment in time became puddy due to Slade constantly trying to change it but he kept going back and not letting time pass it, thus, the effects were never felt in the present.

>>92939119
You underestimate what Slade -world's greatest assassin, almost batman levels of skills and keikakus, but also willing to kill- Wilson can do. "Speedsters with combat training" is so tiny compared to speedforce Slade, that ends up in its orbit.

>>92939122
not very superheroic (or heroic) is it?

>>92939084
If that character had a special magical ability that makes him master a weapon by touching it...

>>92939125
This is just a story with ill defined rules and now fans are doing writers work. This happens regularly with shitty time reset anime.

>>92939092
Neither do you, the fact that you're prepared to consider the entire 150 issues as good and not break it up into runs saiys a lot.

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Lol.

>>92939119
He ran and got Jericho. Sounds like a better plan than outright fist fighting someone because there's a chance of winning.

>>92939092
Only thing that's subjective is one's subjectivism, quality of the art is objective truth.

>>92939234
>it was a run who had more than 100 comics and a lot of people liked it. It worked and prove to be a success and full of fans
when did I say it was good?.
- I say a lot of people like it (like is subjective)
- It worked (a fact because it has 150 issues)
- Prove to be a success (a fact because it has 150 issues)
- Full of fans (if it not had enough fans it would not reach those numbers and get appearing in other books and get more series)

>>92939198
Which would be bad writing.

>>92938954
>who should write the black characters
Anyone who is a good writer. Faggot.

>>92937942
>They also seem to want the writers, or at least me, to have read a decade worth of comics before putting their favorite characters into a story. I don’t have time to read 100 comics. I don’t know any working writer who does.
It should be the editors' responsibility to create an abridged timeline of events to keep writers up to speed on continuity. It really shouldn't be so hard. If Wikipedia can do it, then DC and Marvel can.

It's not so different from an animation studio using character reference sheets to keep models consistent.

>>92939268
I know like is subjective and quality is objective.
But say this is good or that is bad without rationalizing it is subjective.
I say "Amazon attack has great quality and is very good"...is objective? NO!!!

>>92938266

This right here.

Damian treated Jon like shit, but was eventually forced to accept that Jon was good to have around and that he wants to work with him more.

None of that happens with the Titans.

>>92939380

Damian is just tsundere for Jon.

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So that is Atlanta96, shit post .

>>92939320
Okay fuckface.
Identity Crisis is a great comic book. It was highly successful at the time, sold very well, influenced the direction of multiple comics and the general DCU. It has been collected into numerous versions of traded and is still recommended as essential by some sites.

>>92939322
Any worse than speed force hackery? I think not.

>>92937953
Hey, Priest is /ourguy/. How can Wallyfags and Dickfags ever recover?

>>92939422
>CBR
Who the fuck gives a shit?

>>92938261
He truly has a way with words

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DAMIAN DID NOTHING WRONG.
PRIEST DID NOTHING WRONG.
WALLYFAGS STILL BUTTHURT AS EVER.

>>92939519
By sabotaging his comic and calling it garbage everywhere on the internet and encouraging people not to read his comics. Priest is finished.

>>92939524
Priest, alas.

>>92939203
Speed force fueled time travel literally has no rules to it, how it works and how it affects things more or less changes every time it's utilized in stories. Hence why Zoom can do whatever the fuck he wants to do with time beyond killing Barry in his crib, and how he's able to keep trucking and avoid his own canon death. It is a plot device but that is nothing new.

>>92939541
>Priest is finished
>implying he doesn't write comics whenever the fuck he wants to

>>92939367
You are correct, I was just making a general statement.

>>92939473
so? I read it and I liked it, what is your point? Some people say it is good, some say it is bad.
Why do you think is bad or good?
Also, please try to not insult it.

>>92939380
>None of that happens with the Titans.

He doesn't have to learn a lesson every time he's a dick to people. His arrogance can and should be allowed to be validated occasionally to fuel his superiority complex.

>>92938059
I don't see difference in the Damian of Priest or the Damian of Tomasi in Supersons. He is a asshole.

>>92939582
Ok. Sorry if I misunderstand you.

>>92937953
I'm not sure what he's so angry about. His writing was obviously the best in the crossover and everyone universally recognizes that. People are always going to shit on your work and they will be the vocal minority. I personally loved some of the stuff going on with Slade in Lazarus.

hi mr priest pls include me on the recap page

>>92938343
Priest actually can writes to save his live, unlike Michael Penis.

>>92937953
Isn't Priest on record as having said that he personally believes people can't change? That's probably why he has such a fucked up view of character development. He legitimately believes these characters should remain static. Isn't forcing a character to stay a stagnant asshole with flaws just as bad as them having all of their wrinkles smoothed out? For fucks sake those aren't the only two options, Priest

>>92937942

The whole story was shit.

Mishandled characters, yes, but I mean even the ending, Slade quits being Deathstroke and the fight's over cause he took off his mask?

>make them interesting.

Wow, how fucking deluded can you be.

You know how I can empirically demonstrate these characters are interesting? You have a fucking job.

If these characters weren't interesting, you wouldn't be working on them, its not like your OC is gettin fanart made out there.

How do you make a time displaced man interesting, one who had more than a decade of his life stolen and must now relieve his life in an altered world that mostly doesn't remember his existence, all the while being one of the most powerful people on earth.

I know, let's make him a bitch.

Really.
I mean, is coming out as retarded in vogue nowadays?

>>92938354
The plan doesn't work unless Wally dies. Frankly the plan shouldn't have worked because Wally didn't die. Damian's necessarily knew he had to kill Wally to stop it.

>>92938638
Superhero comics are mostly character driven. And there is a big difference between not liking a misrepresentation of a character and liking every comic that character appears in. With that logic every Wally fan would love this comic. Get some critical thinking.

>>92937953
>Complain about fans polarizing everything to the extreme, dividing all comics into either masterpieces or absolute shit
>Then proceed to complain that Dick Grayson is the most boring character to ever exist

I hate /co/s hyperbole as well, but that's exactly what Priest is doing. Dick isn't even the most boring member of the bat-family, since Tim, Duke and Kate Kane exist.

>>92938343
Bendis literally forgets the continuity of his own stories.

>>92939193
I don't care how badass Slade is. He's not literally Death incarnate.

>>92939833
Wallyfag tears are so delicious.

>>92939473
Identity Crisis didn't run for 150 issues.

>>92939931
Not as delicious as Priest's

>>92939856
Well no because he's not perfect and untouchable.

>wallyfags were a mistake

>>92939872
And the worst offender, Cass Cain.

>>92939934
But it was far more successful.

>>92939872
>Kate Kane
She's okay. Babs is worse.

>>92939890
He kinda is.

>>92939791
But it's true that serial characters should not be allowed to grow too much. Some minor change is fine, but it has to end there. If Peter Parker was successful guy with no self-induced guilt and problems, he wouldn't be Spider-man anymore. His current billionaire CEO status quo only works because he's still constantly making decisions as Spider-man that end up hurting his private life, i.e. his business interests because he prioritizes saving lives over keeping his company afloat. It just switched good ol' Parker luck with horrible dating life and financial troubles to running a company that is always in trouble and verging on bankruptcy. If Guy Gardner stopped being a reckless and lovable dick and turned into a mild mannered do everything by the book square, he would not any longer be the character.

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Honestly I'm not THAT much of a flash fan to feel insulted by Wally running away from deathstroke, but it's jarring because of how out of character it looks. Had it been Batman or superman or Wonder Woman it would have been equally annoying and difficult to overlook. Wally has faced opponents stronger than him before without fear, and deathstroke was not impressive enough for the possibility of him beating a much more experienced speedster to be believable.

>>92939976
Who said anything about perfect and untouchable?

>>92940025
Nah, Kate's way worse because they're mostly focusing on her being a military brat, and that just translates to "she's supposedly able to make tough decisions and shout orders and hence she's given the leadership"

>>92940016
Then why haven't we gotten 140 more issues of it?

>>92940201
Because it's an event comic, not an ongoing comic.

>>92940156
>Kate is the John Stewart of the Batfam
makes sense

>>92937982
at least that means he knows most of us love him

>>92940259
And how long did the ongoing featuring the same characters and the same author last again?

>>92940321
>if the author doesn't write a hundred issues, it sucks
Slott pls

>>92939063
It was explained in the issue before the annual when he talked to Jericho.

>>92937942
>>92937953

I like Priest, but his defense is "You can't write a good character without their defining trait being a glaringly obvious flaw."

>>92940115
It was because he was having PTSD because he was tortured not just that he doubted his abilities.

Why did no one actually read the damn issue?

>>92938958
Even JLU Wally, who is probably the lamest version of character didn't run away from Braniac-Luthor.

>>92940386
That's why his Superman was shit.

>>92940530
That is not an equivalent situation. Brainthor didn't have superspeed+something.

Priest is right about Dick.

He's almost Barry-tier whitebread.

>>92940647
Honestly, Dick stories should be about his sexual exploits.

>>92940361
>100+ issues of a character are no indicator of said characters popularity or quality

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I wasn't aware anyone had a problem with Damian's characterization. As far as I know, the guy remains a little asshole who does whatever he thinks is necessary to win and that didn't stop when he died and came back. I was a bit disappointed that Dick didn't call him on his hypocrisy (he kept condemning Slade for being a murderer even though he's also one).
As for Wally, the guy was rattled after being tortured for info. His reaction was reasonable. I'm not really fond of his having received a permanent injury at the end because that was just cruel and it took away space for the fall-out about Dick lying and hiding the details of the Lazarus Contract from everybody.

>>92937942
This guy is a stupid piece of shit.

Character development isn't character regression.

>>92940713
Enjoying Gold Digger?

>>92940626
That wasn't even "god of speed" version of Wally and Braniac-Luthor was whooping entire JL. Walld *did* run away only to hit him with infinite mass punch from the other side.

Wally is shounen character. He doesn't listen to odds. It would have been more in character if Wally attacked to Slade and got his ass handed back to him.

>>92938535
>Then you don't deserve to be writing part of a shared universe. DC needs to fire this motherfucker.
>DC also proceeds to fire every writer who hasn't read hundreds of issues just for a character who's not even in their book
Dumbass.

>>92940626
He was still a nigh god who could dispatch the entire JL.

>>92940718
>I was a bit disappointed that Dick didn't call him on his hypocrisy (he kept condemning Slade for being a murderer even though he's also one).
That was probably the only real thing wrong with Damian in the crossover. Even the whole "stop Wally's heart to screw over Slade" bit is believable (considering his gambit to distract Luthor in Super Sons was to throw Jon off the Lexcorp Tower), it's the fact that Dick scolding him has no effect whatsoever and he hasn't suffered any comeuppance for giving Wally a pacemaker (though, I suppose, that depends on what Percy does next)
Priest was on fire with Deathstroke in this story though.

For fucks sake, you stupid fans will get Priest to leave DC again I see. God damn, I hate annoying ass fan.

>>92940855
He should just keep writing street level and Deathstroke. Everyone was singing him praises during his DS run.

>>92940808
Yeah, but not in a way that would render Wally helpless. In this case, he can't do anything. In Brainthor case he was outclassed, but not nullified.

>>92938958
>>92939007
>>92939037
>hi we've never read Flash vol2

>>92940934
watch it for yourself, wally was at his limit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXZWBJ-KKaU&ab_channel=ax11boondocks

>>92938266
this is kind of precisely the thing Priest is pushing against though. He's someone who clearly wants characters to evolve past these static "common themes" and/or personality traits and wants them to exhibit growth.

How many years do we wait before a character can move past what they were and grow into something else?

>>92941079
Except Damian already HAS grown. Multiple times.

He did in Morrison's B&R. He got reset in Tomasi's B&R and did it again. The first arc of his solo was about righting wrongs.

If Priest and Percy show him doing it again it'll be at least the 4th time.

>>92941042
You're missing his point. Even at their limits, heroes will try their best. But in this exact case, there's nothing to try. He can only do speed stuff and speed stuff don't work on speed-slade.
>but he fought other speedsters before
Which he beat with fighting skills and/or experience as speedster and/or creativity.
The former means jack shit against slade, the two others also mean jack shit against slade, because of slade's brain.
It was literally an impossible situation.

>>92940790
Never heard of it. Is it better or worse than Identity Crisis?

>>92940962
I read every issue of that but I am not characterfag that whining about MUH FEARLESS WALLY

>>92937942
I dunno, it kind of sounds like he's getting worked into a shoot. Of course Wally fans don't want him permanently (well, you know) injured. They like the character and they don't want that to happen to him. Of course Damien fans don't want to see him regress. They are invested in him growing as a person. When fans boo when something bad happens, that's fine. As long as they keep showing up looking for their heros to overcome the problems. Falling for their dumb "I'm not mad that he got hurt, I'm mad that it doesn't fit this specific continuity" rationalizations is just foolish.

>>92937942
I'm surprised they don't have a couple continuity guys working for them. You'd think they'd have at least one or two super autismos who could scan over new comic and cross-over scripts and go "Uh, well, actually..." Seems like common sense.

>>92941253
you mean editors?

>>92941145
Wally literally went beyond lightspeed against Abra Kadabra and you're telling me that Slade who stole these speed powers from Black Wally five minutes ago can offset that level of skill, experience and speed "because of his brain"

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>>92941125
Morrison's Damian never stopped being an asshole nor did Tomasi's. What he did was stop killing and make up for those killings. A Damian who isn't a jerk isn't Damian anymore.

>>92941321
Yes. Slade nears Batman levels of competence and he's willing to kill too.

>>92941321
Yeah and that sent him into the speed force and he barely made it back. His friends weren't around to help him do that again this time. Running back for help was the smart thing to do.

>>92941272
Sort of. Editors are usually more focused on short term, active continuity though and typically have their eyes on lots of books, meaning they have even less time to look over lots of back issues to make sure everything fits. I'm talking about a very specific person whose only job is knowing way too much, researching what they don't know, and making sure their writers don't get blindsided by the fans.

>>92941349
And Wally is willing to turn speedster villains into living statues by stealing their speed

>>92941433
And he has to be close to do that, in which case Slade guts him.

>>92941499
Assuming Slade doesn't figure out a way to do it to Wally too.

>>92941499
>>So, I’m reading all of this hoopla online about the Titans crossover event and how terribly I handled Damian and OG Wally and why didn’t I know this thing happened on page 6 of Obscure Comics #12 back in 2004.
Comments like this piss me off. If it is your job to construct stories using existing characters in an ongoing serial, then you should take the time and do some research. Why wouldn't they already know something like this? Their research would literally involve sitting down and READING COMIC BOOKS! If you can't do that before making another comic, go fucking kill yourself and give your job to someone who will take the time.
Unbelievable cunts these days.

>>92941572
Yeah, Wally has difficulty fighting working class schmoes like Captain Cold, Captain Boomerang, Heat Wave, Trickster, Pied Piper, and these Wallyfags insist that he can take on a trained assassin with an enhanced brain and super-speed with no problem.

>>92941627
Didn't Wally fight against Amazo when he was in JL? Did he cry like a bitch then too?

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As Damianfan I didn't had much problems with him in the comic. It's not like Damian knew a heart condition would appear if he did he probably would have been more careful.

>>92941627
If you actually read all of volume 2 like you said you'd know he'd have relatively little trouble dealing with a brand new speedster.

>Slade can steal superspeed from a teenager and use advanced speedforce tricks better than a speedster with over a decade more experience than him because he's a deadly assassin with a super enhanced brain

>>92941220
But there's a difference between something bad happening to a character when it is built up and justified (i.e. well written) versus something that comes out of no where and is handled like a tossed off idea.

>>92941717
He's a trained assassin and he doesn't know that stopping someone's heart cause medical complications?

I see being the world's greatest detective wasn't exactly inherited

The main thing I'm annoyed at is whichever faggot is writing Raven as a coalburner.

>>92940855
If he had this thin of a skin, he wouldnot be writing capeshit.

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>>92941627
Whether slade would whoop Wally or not is besides the point,the problem is Wally has faced dangerous opponents and odds and not run away,having him run awya because his opponent had an advantage just isn't in character

I'm annoyed that Cyborg was never a Titans and didn't showed up. I'm annoyed that Beast Boy and Raven are young and were never friends with the older Titans. I'm annoyed that Jericho didn't knew any of the Titans.

Those were my main grips.

>>92941807
The point of Damian is that he's a huge fuckup despite being so talented.

And Wally's heart condition isn't going to stick. Criticize the retread, but it's just setup for a story Abnett wants to tell. I don't understand people freaking out about it.

>>92941147
It's more than 100 issues long, so you will love it.

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>>92937982
Holy shit
How can one man be so based

>>92941965
Well obviously someone does. Do you?

>>92937942
Oh fuck off, "I'm so ascared of Deathstroke I wet myself!" was shit. Having Damien solve everything in a TEAM BOOK was bad writing.

And now you throw a fit? "Well I dunno how to write without a superhero giving another superhero permanent heart damage and being rewarded for it!" fuck OFF man, yes you do.

The issue here, if you are actually reading this sir, is that we expected more. You set the bar high with Deathstroke and we were excited, for the first time in a decade, about a Titans storyline. We don't mind our characters getting hurt or suffering, look at Johns's fucking Wally arc where he loses his kids, his apartment, and even his silver lined view of Barry, we just don't want them made fools of.

And that's what you did. You took arrogant bad guy Robin and made fools of the other heroes and are expecting to be praised for it when you SPECIFICALLY knew not to do that when heroes showed up in the main Deathstroke book, which is what made it one of the only villain books worth a damn.

>>92941079
Except Priest wants him to grow backwards into a fucking sociopath.

>>92941773
Wally doesn't have a decade of experience anymore, he's lost most of his pre-Flashpoint memories.
>>92941909
So you're mad that Wally didn't act dumb and get himself eviscerated instead of doing the smart thing and getting his pals to help him out.

>>92942047
>>92941583
Get a life.

>>92941909
You're right, he should've fought and died.

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>>92942251
>Get a life.
COMICS ARE MY LIFE! DO YOU THINK THIS IS JUST A FUCKING GAME!

THIS
IS
MY
LIFE

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>>92937942
Wally really needs to get his own solo so he could be excluded from the arcs where he could be too OP.

I don't see how this direction will benefit Titans in long term; they are literally driving away the fanbase that gave the book it's momentum.

>>92937942
>>Wally *doesn’t* have a heart problem. Gotcha. And now what? How do we make OG Wally relevant or even interesting? I’m not trying to pick a fight or insult anybody, I’m really asking: and now what? What do the fans actually want? They seem to want their heroes to be perfect and problem-free.
What's the point of giving him heart damage? Where does that lead the character aside from an arc where the Flash can't run really fast anymore before another writer throws it in the trash and everyone forgets it ever happened.
How does this make the character "relevant" or "interesting?" It literally adds nothing to the character except a footnote and just makes fans of the character sigh with a question of how long this new shock twist will last.
But no, I'm sure this will last forever, just like the New 52.

On top of that, you claim that you don't have time to read years worth of comics, that's fine. But you also say that you write how a character is portrayed now, and didn't realize Damian actually had character development beyond being an impulsive dick. You admitted you got it wrong.
So you're not actually portraying the character how they're being portrayed now, are you?
Fans notice that, fans do read hundreds of comics and when the character suddenly reverts in personality or acts completely different they will complain about it.
Heck the only way Injustice gets away with it, is because it's an Alternate Earth and even then one of the constant complaints I see is how dumb the plot is because everyone acts stupid all the time.

>>92941806
>Rationalizing

k

>>92942704
Depowering speedsters is super easy. Like when the JLA when looking for Cheetah in the jungle, and Barry couldn't move very fast because of the terrain. Then Cheetah cuts his tendon, which heals incorrectly at super speed, so he can't run at full speed until they get back to the city and set it correctly.
They could just leave it to circumstance, or maybe leave him out for part of a story because he's off doing some other superhero stuff. It's doable, the writers just need to get a clue.

>>92942817
>and Barry couldn't move very fast because of the terrain
Can't he like, vibrate through shit?

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>>92942817
>Barry couldn't move very fast because of the terrain

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>Priest is probably in this thread RIGHT NOW

>>92937942
>>92937942
I knew that fucker was reading our threads.
He doesn't get it. A character can't have problems because no one is perfect but don't revert back to old ones. Have Wally deal with the loss of his wife and kids, maybe have him angry about what happened which leads him to risking his life more.

>>92939639
His writing in the crossover was barely indistinguishable from the others. It was nothing but exposition dumps about "this is what this character is doing right now" and "i am feeling this" and "i am doing this because speedforce". If it weren't for the credits page, I wouldn't have even thought that Priest wrote this. It could have easily been written by Scott Lobdell or James Tynion

>>92937942
>They also seem to want the writers, or at least me, to have read a decade worth of comics before putting their favorite characters into a story.
You can literally do this in a day or two. I spent 4 days reading through Wally's Run as Flash. It isn't hard when you set the time aside. That wasn't 1 decade either, it was 3.

>>92937953
>Disagreeing with how I portray Potato Man does not, in fact, make me an actual Nazi.

He's in for a rude awakening when SJWs storm his panels at cons.

>>92937953
>But to suggest that no part, not one scene or one page of the Titans crossover was any good
But most people agree that Slades parts were fun. Not every line was shit but the overall characters and plot didn't make sense. I hate how badly this man takes criticism.

>>92942861
>>92942890
I'm not making this shit up. It was something about moist jungle terrain, uneven ground, blah blah blah. It was back when Superman got infected by the Cheetah spirit somewhere in South America.
It was strange, could have been lazy writing.

>>92942968
Hes black so he is untouchable

>>92937953
well that explains why he doesn't know what to do with Damian, he never read Batman and Robin

>>92942713
>Damian actually had character development beyond being an impulsive dick.
This is news to me, because he's still that same impulsive dick in Super Sons. I don't read Teen Titans, but since he and Percy collaborated on the story, surely Percy would have brought up any issues he had with Damian's actions.

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>>92937953
>No Drama Wally
We want pic related. We want Wally to have to deal with the loss he went through. We want Wally to have to deal with his past and how it is gone. I like how Priest tends to write Deathstroke but Wally (and Damian) did not act in Character in the event.

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>>92938043
>>92938291
>H-How dare you criticize this mans work, don't you realize you must like everything this man is involved in
>YOU FUCKING ENTITLED SHIT STOP HURTING PRIESTS FEELINGS

>>92943050
Damian gets the same character development every time he has a major appearance because writers keep resetting him because apparently writing a character that used to be a complete cunt and is still kind of ass but still a pretty ok person now is harder than just writing a complete cunt

>>92943025
The SJWs already chased the current writer of Black Panther, Ta-nehisi Coates from NYCC with their stupidity, and he's an IRL political activist who's been pushing for reparations since before it was cool.

http://blacknerdproblems.com/ta-nehisi-coates-attended-his-first-nycc-panel-and-lord-i-hope-hell-come-back/

>>92938696
>It made sense
No it didn't. There is no reason at all that stopping Wally's heart would stop death strokes speed.

>>92943122
Damian becomes nicer to people he gets to know, like Dick, Maya, and Jon. He's going to start off rude as fuck to everyone else.

>>92943140
Yeah that made no sense young wally got his speed twice and neither involved old wally.

>>92943140
Did you read (and not skim) through the comic, because they spelled out exactly how it would work.

>>92943180
OG Wally was in no way involved with Black Wally's speed, which Deathstroke stole

how does "killing" OG Wally mess with Black Wally's speed

>>92943197
Speed.
Force.

>>92938335
This is why Wally needs his own solo book.
If Wally is on Titans than all the attention has to go to him but that takes away the point of a team book.

>>92938343
They are drones.

>>92943220
Lazy.
Writing.

>>92943261
But basef priest can do no wrong

>>92943197
Speedforce, son.
Serious answer it got something to do with the coming back of Wally.
If you think logically, the connection is there.

>>92943275
The Crew was pretty mediocre

>>92943197
Deathstroke only got the idea to use speed powers to go back in time because Wally came back, which had the side-effect of making him remember how Grant died. He had literally forgotten.

>>92938389
This man gets it.

>>92943275
He is, but reader can be retarded and interpret things wrong far outside the current canon.

>>92943025
he can easily be called sexist
that panel where slade calls rose out for blueballing her boytoy would easily have been called sexist, if deathstroke wasn't flying under tumblr's radar

>>92938799
>Enhanced brain
That doesn't allow you to understand something you don't previously understand that fast without any given information of how it works.

>>92943279
No. It isnt. If damian had hit danny west or barry in the past then yeah but as is no

>>92943133
I feel bad for Coates, he just wanted to write some funnybooks and he finds himself a figurehead

>>92938874
He helps write a shit book then goes online and complains that people are complaining about his shit book on 4chan. There is a few samefags saying he did nothing wrong.

>>92938220
It is also hilarious and fun, but those worked because Haney used the characters as archetypes. The way it sounds like, Priest is just messing up Wally though.

>>92939007
>>92941192
>>92939037
>If you don't like a character acting out of character than you are a characterfag
Get lost.

>>92937942
>>They also seem to want the writers, or at least me, to have read a decade worth of comics before putting their favorite characters into a story. I don’t have time to read 100 comics. I don’t know any working writer who does. I can read, maybe, ten. And I will portray the character the way he or she is being portrayed now, today, currently, not what was done years or even months before.
ugh

look, this is the fucking Lazarus Contract, it's specifically referencing a 30 year old story arc (judas contract from 1984)

if you're going to make a story that references something that old, you need to do some fucking research

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>Next week we will see Batman run away from Deathstroke after peeing his pants
>The week after that Superman fly's away from Deathstroke out of fear of his life
>After that we see the amazing story of Wonder Woman crying like a bitch out of fear of what Deathstroke might do to her

>>92943437
we've already had an encounter between Deathstroke and Superman, though

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>>92943437
It's okay, he'll think about it.

>>92940855
>I hate annoying fans
But you are the drone here.

>>92942173
>>92942305
>Wally is many times faster, has far more powers and knows how to use him
>HE WOULD HAVE TOTALLY LOST

>>92943180
No they didn't.

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You see, this cat Priest is a bad mother--

>>92943452
I remember the anon that brought that up last thread. Deathstroke's biggest flaw his how powerful he is compared to how powerful he should be. Every character more powerful than him has to act like a retard suddenly so he can defeat them.

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>>92943550
Well, he's quicker where it counts.

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>>92943437
Don't forget Cyborg being torn to pieces, his severed head spouting out his dying words to Slade: "You may have killed me... but I know it had nothing to do with my race..."
That way he's badass AND not racist!

>>92943550
Deathstroke is evil Batman. He has all the powers of Batman which is the power of bending the plot to let him win.

>>92943480
Wally can't even beat a guy with a cold gun.

>>92940530
Holy shit your taste is bad

>>92942725
Explain how that's rationalization.

>>92943635
You are thinking of Barry. Wally rarely had any problems taking out The Rogues and he actually rarely ever fought them and when he did they were powered up.

>>92940934
>He can't do anything
He could take away his speed, throw him into the speedforce, outrace him because Wally is literally a trillion times faster than black wally, literally break the mans legs in a trillionth of a second (He has healing so it wont be forever), ect.

>>92937953
>Disagreeing with how I portray Potato Man does not, in fact, make me an actual Nazi.
More like Strawman there, Poindexter.

>I’m not trying to be sarcastic or even defensive.
Those words? You should look them up.

>>92937942
>I don’t have time to read 100 comics
comics have like a paragraph of words in them
it takes less than five minutes to read a 32 page comic

>i don't have time to literally do the only thing i am paid to do

>>92943806
he's paid to write the comics, not read them

>>92943834
You can't be a good writer without reading desu

>>92943692
The rogues were used prominently in Johns' run. Wally couldn't beat them. They all remained at-large both after Rogue War and after Rogues Revenge.

>>92938389
>real problems come later where DS has now managed to master being a speedster with speed force power within minutes.
In his defense: someone else getting superspeed and *literally* running circles around Flash is something that they do all the time. Godspeed, for example, in the first arc of rebirth, got speed powers ( along with like half of downtown ) and figured out how to "steal speed" from others juicing himself to the point that he could literally be in two places at one time ( not like a mirage, literally be standing next to Barry in his civies while also being in his villain costume getting his bad guy on ).

I not defending that level of faggotry, because it's amazingly retarded. But if Priest's just read the current run then what he wrote ( taking into account Slade's super brain ) is perfectly consistent with the rest of Rebirth era Flash.

TL;DR your problem is really with the current Flash run and DC Editorial. Outside of the whinging I mean.

>>92943869
Well, maybe DC should hire someone who reads all the comics and answers any doubt that writers may have about characters, continuity etc.? So writers don't have to deal with autistic fans?

>>92943979
August had *some* sort of training from Barry though. Slade has none of it.

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>>92937942
Priest just committed career suicide by eating an atom bomb with cyanide seasoning

>>92944144
I'm sure his career will be fine and /co/ will go right back to sucking his dick once the next issue of Deathstroke comes out

>>92937942
>I don’t have time to read 100 comics. I don’t know any working writer who does. I can read, maybe, ten.

Currently? Ewing seems to be doing fine. King also had some great displays of knowledge in his recent runs. Honestly, I feel like that while being a continuity wizard shouldn't be a requisite, you should at least read the essentials. And if you don't, be prepared for criticism in that regard. One can praise the storytelling while complaining that there's no coherence with the character's previous appearances. I feel like Priest is being somewhat unprofessional.
>>92944144
>This
>Career suicide

At least he's right about /co/s ridiculous hyperbole.

>>92944066
Slade had analyzed both Wallys, had an AI to help him, his suit with the gravity sheat adds shit to his abilities and he's also super smart, he could figure out the gist of things on his own.

And he doesn't have to be a genius at using speed, just be fast enough to match Walky. Slade's threat was more about the fact that with super speed they were basically evenly matched, so it's basically just two guys duking it out, only Wally has not got much actual martial arts experience, so he would not fare well against a highly skilled and deadly assassin since just one clean hit could potentially kill him. And we all know speedster fights are all about punching each other repeatedly.

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>>92938954

To be fair, most minority writers consider it to be tokenism when you're told you need to be the one writing books based on whatever your group is.

I'm sure latina writers that aren't that hamplanet on America Chavez are the same way. I'm a fag and I don't wanna be the guy who writes gay comics either.

>>92944189
coates seems okay with it

>>92944189
>latina writers
how many of those are there?

>>92944144
t. casual

>>92944212
he was probably fine with it when he just got to write Black Panther and that was it, probably less fine when Marvel made him the poster child for their diversity

>>92937942

Priest, dude, I like you. I've been enjoying Deathstroke so far, and to be fair, the last chapter of Lazarus was the best. But that's not good. The story as a whole was bland. The consequences are all low, there was no reason to do a crossover. Also, your reaction is disappointing. Of course fans will rage if you dont pay attention to other stories. Do us all a favor, do not write on the internet.