Will he ever make a comeback? Will he ever become a main member

No never.
1. People don't want another reboot
2. Casuals will be more accustomed to Cyborg as the seventh member after the movie
3. He's hard to sell and has far less success compared to others
4. Having him over Cyborg once more would draw flack from angry liberals

Depends if they ever need to use a big bad whose shtick revolves around fire

>>92925316
I once had the idea of the Human Flame being an alien (mostly Martian) conspiracy theorist who uses flame attacks because all his obsessive research led to that conclusion

You can always watch the JL/JLU episodes to see J'obb J'obzz

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I want J'onn to investigate alien related mysteries on Earth.
Shit like crop circles, sudden abductions, Flatwoods Monster, even anal probes would do

Anything like that?

>>92925105
I decided to rematch Justice League this week. Why is he such a jobber?

>>92925547
Bruce Timm and Paul Dini wanted to emphasize more on his mental and shapeshifting stuff and less Martian Vision and super strength.
However they also didn't want him to be the easy way out

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>>92925497

Or have some conspiracy UFO guys or maybe X-Files type goverment group trying to uncover the truth about J'onn

>>92925596
That would also work
J'onn chases an alien
Men in Black chases both of them.
Fucks sake, he's already a detective/manhunter
It's literally in the name

>>92925497

Cryptids are worthless in a world teeming with guys like Superman. It'd just end with J'onn fighting the flatwoods monster in some over the top braindead capeshit battle anyway.

Unless it's done as some kind of elseworlds tale without the rest of the DC baggage.

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>>92925648
>>92925596
Pretty sure this is his arc in New Frontier with Farraday and there's also an arc with the DEO and the always awesome Director Bones in Ostrander's run.

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No one wants an addict on the team. Damn cookie head.

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Gentlemen, how do we improve MMH's rogues gallery?

>>92925820
Just let him go on crime solving noir missions in space.

Fuck sake, we don't have an Omega Men or LEGION/ REBELS comic anymore, we need something to deal with the non-Lantern side of spacecrime, and J'onn is the man for the job.

>>92925105
>he does not know that Batman in the JLA is the Martian Manhunter

>>92925105
Not as long as Johns is in charge. Same reason captain marvel won't get rebirthed. His changes are Canon, only him can do shitty changes to Canon and no one else.

>>92925497
So... like Hellboy?
A monster investigating monsters

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>>92925820
>No human flame

>>92925983
That'd be a cool twist. I've been wondering how Bats can be in so many places at once. But we all know that's not going to happen.

>>92925105
MMH doesn't fit in the Justice League, thematically

What does he bring to a discussion?
How is his voice unique?
Superman has the alien angle down
Batman covers the justice part of it
Wonder Woman alternates between compassion and ruthlessness.

What can he say that makes him stand out?

He's an interesting character, but I don't think he fits in ensembles.

>>92926127
superman doesnt look or speak like an alien at all
a casual reader wouldnt even know superman was an alien

>>92926200
But a casual read knows that Superman is an alien though
That's an intrinsic part of his character.

Different versions of Superman have different levels of familiarity with alien shit, but he's still an alien and you can't divorce him from it.

>>92926127
>What does he bring to a discussion?
A wide powerset, everything from shapeshifting to intangibility to mind reading. Great for clutching.
>How is his voice unique?
He's the stoic voice of reason.

>>92926275
>He's the stoic voice of reason.
Doesn't Batman usually fill that role?

>>92925547
>>92925436
To be fair Superman was also a huge chump in the show

>>92926320
Batman isn't stoic. He's constantly pissed off and brooding.

>>92926127
You realize you could replace Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman with Aquaman, Green Lantern, and Hawkman, respectively, and your argument wouldn't change? By that metric what do Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman bring to a discussion?

>>92925105
They'd just do what they did before with Bloodwynd.

Aquaman was Martian Manhunter the whole time!

>>92926404
Not being angry isn't a prerequisite for being called "stoic"
You just need to be quiet and take it and Batman definitely can't be called chatty.

>>92926127
He's got the powers of Superman, and more, and doesn't really stand for anything.

He's a manhunter. He hunts people. Deadshot does the same thing with a fucking gun and no shapeshifting/flight/telepathy/etcetcetc

>>92926127
People see Martian Manhunter as an outsider, he looks weird and was raised outside of earth

People see Superman as just another earthling in comparison

>>92926436
But the fact that everyone knows he's pissed means he isn't stoic.

>>92926402
I can barely watch it with Supes going down like a bitch every time someone shocks him a little bit.

>>92926412
That's my point.
I wouldn't say the Trinity brings much to the table if you have characters already filling their "roles".
But no one likes replacing the big three, so the point is moot
MMH isn't iconic enough and he isn't different enough to force his way into stories.

That's why he's better in a limited scope, or if you want to shake up core personalities a bit.
Like Batman a little more psychotic so that MMH can be the voice of objective justice.

>>92926256
he is literally an alien, but he doesn't fit the alien character trope
he never says "whats a sandwich? is it made of sand?" or shit like "i dont understand your human emotions"
he isnt an alien character, like starfire
and i disagree entirely about superman, if i was to just casually read a standalone comic about superman, would have no idea he was an alien

>>92926558
In most Justice League stories MM co-ordinates the League while they're operating and brings a guiding pragmatism to the League. The issue with MM's position on the League stems from Morrison's run. In addition to giving J'onn the short end of the stick when writing him, he also made Batman serve many of the roles and interactions that usually were given to J'onn. The issue isn't that J'onn isn't different enough to force his way in stories, it's that he was carved up to help make Batgod.

>>92927019
>The issue isn't that J'onn isn't different enough to force his way in stories, it's that he was carved up to help make Batgod.
That's a good way to put it

Justice League stories would strongly benefit from a dismantling of the Batgod

>>92927019
>In most Justice League stories MM co-ordinates the League while they're operating and brings a guiding pragmatism to the League.
Doesn't Cyborg do that now?

Damned affirmative action

Gentlemen, how do we reinvent J'onn into a success?

>Superman has the alien angle down
Superman being an alien is rarely relevant, he looks human, grew up on earth raised by two humans, and has no memories of Krypton.

>>92927189
meant to quote:
>>92926127

>>92927185
Tone down his powers a bit and don't make him a regular member of the Justice League

Have him always be roaming the Earth being other people. While he's wandering, he's solving murders and learning about the lives the victims lived before they died.

The League consults him from time to time on matters since he's by far the most experienced member when it comes down to global law enforcement. They want him to guide the League, but he doesn't want to.

>>92927008
Unless you come from a third world shit hole, you know superman is an alien. He's that woven/beaten into culture that you don't need to read comics to understand that basic trait.

You're right about though that him being an alien isn't always a center perice of who he is. Its just a road to explain how he does what he does.

>>92927342
yeah, the kids just cant get enough of superman

>>92925105
Make him feel less like green_superman.png

>>92927185

You can't. What makes J'onn so appealing is what makes him unsuccessful.

>>92927531
But isn't that literally what he is?

>>92925820
Give him Johnny Sorrow.

>>92927185
Two-fisted pulp noir meets UFO conspiracy. Although I'd play around with it a little bit and keep it a little self-aware with John Jones being very much an affection born out of crime fiction.

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permanent reminder that geoff threw j'onn under the bus to save Hal because WB wanted Stewart as the GL, so he brought in Cyborg for diversity instead so he could get Hal back

him being the biggest halfag is disgusting

>>92927783
Speaking of Hal, why doesn't he and J'onn ever have many stories together?

Their backstories overlap a bit

>>92927783
Geoff threw a lot of characters under the bus with the New 52, really. Movie synergy sucks. The New 52 was what Marvel did to the Inhumans, but to an entire universe.

He's a counterpoint to superman. Superman is an alien raised to be Human, and rises up as a better human than many of us because he legit believes. MMH has an outsider perspective which allows for external critique, detachment and confusion.

Him landing in the 1920s, thought to the 1950s, learning how to pass, trying to fight crime during prohibition while not blowing his cover, the beginnings of american ufo conspiracy stuff. I'd read that. It would be a neat space to allow for his perspective on classic Americana.

>>92927620
>Give him Johnny Sorrow
That'd honestly be pretty cool

>>92925547
Timm and Co couldn't write strong characters for shit. Superman tas showed that.

>>92925105
I don't really care until they can get a competent write on JL. Excluding the Dematteis and Giffen stuff, the last competent writers on JL was Morrison. Inb4 Waid and Kelly. No, both were shit and cringe worthy.

>>92925105
No.

Get over it.

>>92928483
Morrison shit the bed with J'onn and WW, arbitrarily changed the lineup according his whims only to drop characters once he grew bored, and took his metaplot entirely from Waid.

He's caught in a trap where he is too obscure to take any kind of financial risk that would be incurred bringing him back, and as long as he isn't brought back he will become more and more obscure. It's a cycle that no one in a position to decide the character's fate has any incentive to break.

There are other problems too. He doesn't tick any demographic boxes, his previous appearances in animated shows didn't take because the writers couldn't figure out what to do with him and made him job, his stoic personality doesn't go well with his minimal screentime, etc. Not to mention, he is entirely a creation of the Silver Age, and everything about him from his powers to his costume are loud and powerful reminders of the most embarrassing era of comics.

His only chance is if someone who grew up watching the toons in the 2000s takes over DC or Warner Bros. and brings him back to satisfy their nostalgia. Or maybe if Miss Martian somehow becomes hugely popular after Young Justice's third season and they have to bring MM along for the ride as they put her in more adaptations.

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>>92925105
Of course he will be back.

>>92928932
Faggot the 90s are most embrassing.

He isn't used because all white is dated.

>>92925274
Could just be a soft retcon like Infinite Crisis or Rebirth. J'onn should go back to being a founding member and Cyborg should go back to the Titans. Or at least have Cyborg be a Titan before joining the League.

>>92928932
Most of his modern costumes are rather subdued. As for his personality, one thing that his solos failed to do was create a supporting cast and roster of villains to bounce off of J'onn.

>>92929055
They soft rebooted that sometime before Forever Evil.

>>92926127
Clark is an earthling in all but birth and powers. J'onn has lived and lost his previous life and comes to Earth to start a new one. He is a foreigner through and through, moreso than Superman, and his appearance and past conveys the "Alien protecting the new place he calls his home" angle in a stronger way than Supes can.

When I first saw Superfriends and saw no Martian Manhunter I got confused.
My little kid brain just assumed he was a conflicted character

>>92929077
It seems to me he has a fairly strong base to build a supporting cast from. His police/detective partner who doesn't know he's an alien, a handful of fellow Martians in varying states of sanity and villainy, aliens coming to Earth and trying to hide among the population while playing cat-and-mouse with MM, psychic enemies like Bette Noir, a government agent who is tasked with hunting MM and finding out what exactly he is, etc.

I think he would work best as a low-key hero, in a setting that has minimal interaction with the rest of the DC multiverse, with less time spent on big fight scenes and more spent on mind games played with clever opponents who hide behind the teeming hordes of innocent civilians that J'onn must avoid harming or alerting. Whether he's still trying to get back to his homeworld or if it has already been destroyed would play a big role in how he sees his new home

>>92927185
Keep the cute brown version of him around

>>92929267
>I think he would work best as a low-key hero, in a setting that has minimal interaction with the rest of the DC multiverse, with less time spent on big fight scenes and more spent on mind games played with clever opponents who hide behind the teeming hordes of innocent civilians that J'onn must avoid harming or alerting. Whether he's still trying to get back to his homeworld or if it has already been destroyed would play a big role in how he sees his new home
Yeah, I like that

>>92929334
She's dead though.

>>92925547

Same reason Supes and Flash job. They did a bad job trying to make everyone seem valuable.

>>92927807
Martians didn't like the Guardians. And there's conflicting lore saying that the Manhunters the Guardians made were based off the Martian Manhunters. They were pissed when they ended up killing people and told the Guardians to eat shit when they came by asking if they wanted to goin the GLC when it was first created. Not to mention Hal and every other human lantern were asshats at one point or another.

>He isn't Cobb
Fuck

>>92929267
Diane Meade as his detective partner who secretly suspects J'onn is actually a metahuman, have Scorch working undercover for the DEO to keep tabs on J'onn by using her human form to pose as his neighbor, M'Gann is actually his niece and lives with him.

As for Mars, the Martian race is still there but is trapped in claustrophobic underground cities on a dead planet. The Martian governments maintain several agents on Earth to monitor and, if necessary sabotage, efforts to explore Mars in-depth. Meanwhile desperate Martians are using scratch built teleporters to try and reach Earth.

>>92925105
make a truly fantastic manhunter run and find out.
just anonymously upload it to sadpanda when you're done so the lawyers can't find you.

those unwilling to change their world deserve the world they get

>>92925274
>>92926127
>>92927185
>>92927531
>>92928483
>>92928932
Reminder that J'onn J'onzz is the cornerstone of the Justice League and embodies the spirit of the greatest team in superhero comics and you would know this if you actually read comics.

>>92928483
>>92928826
I don't know who is more wrong here.

>>92930329
Yes we know he's the heart and soul of the League but the problem is that he's simply unable to go back after what has happened.

>>92930051
How would you handle M'gann actually being a White Martian in this version? Would you just ditch that altogether and make her a normal Green like J'onn?

>>92930329
Sure, I get that and I love the character, but you have to be realistic. When the accounting department and Warner Bros. or DC, staffed by dour empty suits who don't give a shit about comics, looks at this character and asks "How would resuscitating this fading character who was never very popular and never sold many toys help our shareholders?" If you can find a good answer to that question that would convince a humorless manager whose job is on the line, then you can have your A-list Martian Manhunter back.

>>92930393
>>92930424
There is no good reason why he is unable to go back. He is an excellent character. The only thing that needs to change is the higher ups at DC who have been continually shitting the bed for the past decade.

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>>92930490
I'm sorry Anon
Public consciousness won't recognize him as the seventh member.
His status as the seventh member will be a trivia question to people

>>92925497
>>92927185
Monthly series, Steve Orlando and Tom King cowriting

Michael Walsh on art

2-3 issue arcs, I advise having King Faraday partnered with J'onn as they investigate paranormal crimes in the name of Spyral or Checkmate.

Lore is them hiding the discovery of M'gan who is discovered at the end of the first arc.

>>92930329
Nice obscure trivia, anon.

>>92930623
>>92930690
What is Justice League: The Animated Series? Or all of the best Justice League runs of all time?

>>92927185
Get Morrison, Johns, Snyder or Bendis to write him. That's the only way he can manage to not get cancelled within 12 issues.

>>92930832
What is reading comprehension, you retarded characterfag.

>>92930898
So those things have nothing to do with public consciousness then I guess.

>>92930957
Public what? You should try replying to different posts separately.

>>92930832
The movie will reach a broader audience.

>>92931008
Public consciousness and obscurity are directly related you utter fucking moron. Grade-A irony with the reading comprehension bit, kudos.

>>92931032
Again, reply to every post separately so you don't mix up different people.

>>92931019
But it won't make those things disappear from existence.

>>92930832
Nigga have you seen the amount of Cyborg shilling these past years?
He's been a main character in games, animated features, etc

>>92931087
Explain to me the vast chasm between those two comments, both of which contain the word trivia in them.

>>92931096
But they will change public consciousness
After all, people are more familiar with Black Widow as a founder of the Avengers and not Ant-Man

>>92931120
He's in all the animated movies now, even the Teen Titans ones. And he's in Teen Titans and Teen Titans Go.

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>>92925105
>Reduce his strenght to Spider-Man levels
>Reduce his psychic powers, so you have a better execuse than to just make him job everytime that he tries to control someone
>Play up his strenghts, his weirdness, his odd place in earth, while keeping the detective theme that he had originaly going on
>Make him the one in charge of investigating odd events, alien abductions, rumors, circles in the crops and so
>As the issues go, we discover that all these events are conected to a new space port that is being build in secret on Mars
>J'onn by the end of it basicaly becomes the embassador between earth and this alien colony on the solar system, and decides to stay there, acting also as their law enforcer

You also ends up bringing the cosmic closer to the Earth. If this was creator owned stuff an event like this could be very impactful on the world, but I know that Big 2 things wouldn't have the same quaility as I say, Hellboy.


Also, remember that he canonicaly thinks that Futa is gay.

>>92931120
And nothing featuring him has come close to the quality of J'onn's resume.

>>92931133
Because two different people can use the same word.

>>92931144
Public consciousness hasn't been associated with whats going on in comic books for decades.

>>92931214
Do you really think the public conscious reads/cares about comics that can't be used as clickbait?

>>92931271
Great explanation fucktard. That's some difference.

>>92931214
It doesn't matter how great J'onn's history is if no one remembers it. Face it, he was the most expendable member of the League and he got ditched to make room for the token diversity character who will now become permanently more iconic to the general public than Manhunter ever was

>>92931304
That's exactly my point. No good reason that Martian Manhunter shouldn't be in the comics.

>>92930424
Half White/half Green with primarily White features in her default form with a very pale green undertone to her skin.

>>92930655
>Steve Orlando
Kys

>>92931331
You are severely underestimating the popularity and staying power of the Justice League animated series, and the iconic runs for people who actually read comics. And he is historically the least expendable member of the League, despite what marketing executives will tell you.

>>92931316
You're retarded, M8. You're the same person because you used the same word. That's some next level autism.

>>92931403
Jonn sells less than every other member of the league by far. That's pretty expendable.

>>92931407
Being an obscure trivia question is synonymous with not being in the public consciousness. Learn how to read and get back to me.

>>92931378
J'onn is his favorite DC character and his solo stuff is better than his ensemble stuff.
I also love his JLA however, so I may be bias.

>>92931441
But does he sell less than Cyborg? And do his Justice League runs? And why do you give a shit how he sells?

>>92931469
You said that Jonn is the heart of the JL, like it's some sort of obscure knowledge and not some scan that gets posted on normiebook pages, plebbit and Tumblr. As always Johnsfags and Bendisfags don't know how to read without pictures.

Not really related to his current status but how powerful is John as a JL member compared to everyone else

>>92931502
Like Supergirl and fagnighter n Apollo?

>>92931503
It matters to DC.

>>92931503
How he sells is pretty much the overriding factor in whether he gets put in future DC media. The entire purpose of every single one of these characters is to move product, whether it be comics, toys, or movie tickets.

And Cyborg sells better by default since Cyborg toys are being made right now and Martian Manhunter toys aren't

>>92931573
I concede on Supergirl, but Middy is one of the characters he does right.

>>92931549
Hahahaha seriously? You mean those same "normies" that only watch the movies, featuring Cyborg? This whole thread is about how unpopular MM is and my argument was that if you actually consider yourself a fan of reading comics you'd have a hard time coming to grips with his ridiculous absence. You are the one who seems to be confused in your quest for shitposting meme supremacy whether he's an obscure character or not.

>>92931162
>canonically thinks futa is gay
But it isn't

>>92925105
I liked it better when he was on the watchtower, coordinating the league on their field duty. It was the best spot for him.
>telepathic link with members on the ground
>can guard the tower on his own thanks to his vast array of abilities
>can act as the "we only call this guy if shit is really fucked up" emergency button

Does the current league even have a watchtower? Shit kept getting reboot, i lost track

>>92931561
To the point of absurdity. But he's mostly limited by being extremely ethical about using his psycho abilities. That and people making him go full retard and not using his ability to become intangible.

>>92926127
Psychic powers. The JL is missing a psychic.

Meanwhile, Clark doesn't act like an alien outsider when written properly, and Cyborg and Batman makes TWO fucking tech guys.

>>92932313
Cyborg has boom tube which allows for dimension hopping and opens the door for Fourth World stories.

He also has the creator of Red Tornado, T. O. Morrow in his supporting cast and is a close ally of Doc Magnus and the Metal Men.

>>92931331
No the most expendable are Aquaman, Barry and Hal.

>>92931503
>why do you give a shit how he sells?
"I" as a consumer do not dumbass. But as an editor? As a CEO of a soulless corporation? You bet your ass I care, I've got diversity quotas to fill and profit margins to meet. Jonn doesn't seem essential to either since he has never sold well on his own.

>>92932188
>Does the current league even have a watchtower? Shit kept getting reboot, i lost track
You obvious haven't been pay attention at all fucking idiot, since you don't know the difference between a reboot and a relaunch.

>>92927008
>and i disagree entirely about superman, if i was to just casually read a standalone comic about superman, would have no idea he was an alien
Your first point makes sense but this is outright retarded, are you retarded by any chance?

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>>92925274
> Draw flack from angry liberals
And this is bad?

>>92931752
There's been no movie, dumbass.

>>92937747
DC has made a ton of movies, colossal dumbfuck.

>>92938141
The JL movie has not even been made. What the fuck are you even smoking?

>>92938165
So then Martian Manhunter will be super popular up until the day before the Justice League movie comes out is your point?

>>92925105
Do you mean in comics or in other media? He seems to be doing alright, he's on tv now with an actual martian form unlike that stupid glowy eye shit they pulled on smallville.

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>>92932044

>>92925274
>4. Having him over Cyborg once more would draw flack from angry liberals
#GreenLives Matter

>>92925105
He should just replace Aquman

The team needs a psionic

Batman should be the Tech factor of the team
But he is not evolving he should be batman

>>92932313
This
Its Aqua man that we don't need

>>92939686
>>92939585
Aquaman is one of the few close friends J'onn has.

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>>92925436
>I know I'll use my telepathy
>AAAAAUUUUGH

He's literally my favourite DC character and it pisses me off how they threw him under the bus. They should get Ostrander to write MMH Rebirth.

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>>92925105
He has just about every single major flaw that fans have about Superman only dialed up a tad more. It's just the worst aspects of silver age era Superman with nothing else that still makes Silver Age Superman worth reading.

He is ridiculously powerful, and has a massively long list of powers to the point of being uninteresting because he has a power for every single occasion. This makes him just uninteresting already.

He has an even more ridiculously easy to get a hold of weakness. And more insane when everyone had some kryptonite lying around. Anyone can get their hands on some fire and shut this guy down.

Top it all off with a not so amazing or iconic look. Just underwear and suspenders. No cool gloves, mask, or even an emblem.

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>>92925364
Almost anything they can come up with is better than guy who made a suit with fire spitting nipples.

It amazes me that Final Crisis killed off Effigy and brought back Human Flame.

I would have thought Fire Lantern would actually be a decent match for a martian, more than weird guy with fire nipple suit.

>>92925820
I think he has the same problem as Superman, in that he has a shitload of powers but his villains only have 1 or 2. They cannot really compete with him.

Most of them are just other psychics. Sometimes there are superstrong psychic types. But that is about it.

>>92929502
Nah, the Guardians are the ones who depowered the Burning Martians and made them into White and Green Martian races then programed them to hate each other. So that they will be too busy killing each other to ever bother the rest of the universe.

That and J'on thinks all lanterns he has worked with are fucking idiots that cause more problems than good. He was partnered with John Stewart when he fucked up and got a planet destroyed.

>>92930329
He was the Superman they could stick on the team in the early 60's when they could not get Superman into the team book. They "sett;ed" for Martian Manhunter.

>>92943084
His emblem is a red saltire. It's based on his suspenders and is therefore ridiculous like everything else about him, but could work if they gave him a better costume.

>>92943340
The problem now is that he kept that look going for so long it is "iconic" to the weird fans and silver age fanboys. They will rabidly hate every form of change, and eventually lead to a silver age fanboy writer getting ahold of the book and turning him right back into the forgettable C-Lister he was before because tradition.

>>92944026
Yeah only weird fans like JLI, JLA, and John Ostrander. Fuck off.

>>92944083
Yet he is still an unknown C-List nobody that no one cares about.

And you just help prove >>92944026 's point a little more

>>92943315
Doesn't DC One Million and Ostrander's run say him and Kyle Rayner eventually became very good friends? I've never read any of Rayner, so I don't know if it happens or not. I assumed it'd be in Morrison's JLA or something.

Here's how you sort out the powers thing: bring it all down to psychic shit.

Heat vision? Just telekinetic vibration of molecules. Shapeshifting? Natural by-product of Martian's connection with each of their molecules as shown in the chocos issue, coupled with telekinesis to move them around.

Outside of that, he's just telepathic, telekinetic and super strong. Done and dusted.

>>92944615
Never read that, but I remember in Kyle's run J'onn thought he was just a loser and was not really willing to give him any difficult assignment because he knew Kyle would fuck it up