Why colors on comics are so over worked most of the time? Flat

They aren't? And it depends on the artist what style works best.

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>>92872665
Yeah, what the other anon said. Really depends on the artist's style.

>>92872665
ill bet that these different styles probably work better or worse with different artists, for example cell shaded art looks fantastic when its like mike magnolia or the goon or something or like that painterly in that example looks like trash but then you look at alex ross cover art and its godlike.

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I prefer flats, black/white, and painted colors to modern digital coloring in most cases. People like Dave Stewart, Dean White, or Jordie Bellaire, are all exceptions.

I can't stand a lot of comics from the mid-late 90's and 2000's where you have just slapping gradients all over shit.

Also the people who decide that older comics need modern digital colors should be lined up against a wall

>>92872665
You're making your point with the yellow, but the blue is shaded pretty much the same in all of them. Even in the flat-style, it's just a bit muted.

>>92873019
Most artists drew/inked for flats back then. There's a lot of artists now that would be very hard to get away with flats.

>>92873019
Is pic an example of something you do like?

>>92872665
Flat is the best, but only of you give it some minimal shading. Not cell shaded bullshit though.

>>92872665
Cell shaded is best

Would flats help with cheaper comics?

>>92873518
>Also the people who decide that older comics need modern digital colors should be lined up against a wall

>>92873518
Not at all, it's from a collection of Silver Age Thor stories that Marvel decided to have recolored.

>>92873707
Why do you think the older coloring here is better? The newer one looks crisper, the text is more readable, has better color coordination and mood, and the details are more apparent.

>>92873612
I think so, but just a little bit, it would take less time for the coloris to to make it, and it would looks better

>>92873762
That's mostly because it's a shitty scan

>>92873811
The colors picked in the old one are pretty bad, but the excessive shadow and lighting in the new one are far from ideal. the flat style of the old one with the color palet of the new one would probably be the best

>>92872665

>flat style is best
>posts evidence to the contrary

You suck at this.

>>92873898
I agree, but I also think the new coloring paints a better mood. I get a sense of the time of day, and there's a more solemn atmosphere. Also In the background Thor blends into the crowd to draw the focus to Odin and the sage in the foreground.

>>92872665
1. Flat style
2. Airbrush
3. Painterly
4. Textured Brush
5. Lasso brush
6. Cell Shaded

There, I ranked them and everything.

>>92872665
i like airbrush and textured brush

>>92873762
Comic collections should be archival. I don't want to see black and white movies colorized and I don't want Photoshop gradients on Jack Kirby

I mean you wouldn't go back and re-ink comics, unless you were crazy like Neal Adams, so why slap modern colors on something from the 60's?

>>92874031
I agree, although it's odd to post the best at 6, but I guess it is the biggest number.

>>92872665
>cell shaded
First, it's "cel," and second, cel shading is the process of making 3D models resemble 2D animation. You can't make a 2D drawing look like a 2D drawing because it already is a 2D drawing. Find a new term.

>>92872665
I fucking hate modern digital airbrush coloring where everything "blends" and there's no hard edges so much. It makes everything look like it's made out of wax. I'd rather have the comics in fucking black and white.

>>92872714
This. Wanting everything to be the same style is a mental illness.

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>>92872665
>mfw manga is also seeing diminishing returns, but compared to comics is doing relatively well.
>They don't waste money they don't have on colorists

>>92873811
Color prints are color prints dude.

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>>92874202
>rice crackers taste the best, they only cost like 5 cents to make so the company that makes them makes lots of profits

>>92874139

Wouldn't that mean that box 1 is also an example of flat colors?

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>>92872665
Flat looks terrible though, the complete lack of depth, detail, and lighting just looks lazy.

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That lasso example is pretty bad. Marte Gracia has that style down.

>>92873898
Only problem I have is the excessive bloom on the armor.

>>92874450
DEpth detail and lighting can (and should IMO) be done with line work only

How the hell do we describe Mignola's stuff?

I like that.

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> no black and white comics left so you can just color them in yourself

at first i was joking but now i'm not so sure

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>>92874587
There's plenty of colourless webcomics

>>92874528
That's retarded. You're retarded. It depends on the artist.

>>92872747
Based David Curiel.

>>92872665
I always prefered cell shaded, or a good mix with it and lasso-brush, like Gracia. back in All New X-men. It just feels the most comic book like, feels more real within its world than trying to do painterly, and helps make the art stand out more.

Almost all the other styles just make the drawings look bland or uninteresting, not so much bad, even if the craft is done well.

Plus a good selection of color choices definitely helps too.

>>92874528
Amen

>>92874624
Too bad the one you chose to cite is fucking dead in the water.

>>92873019
totally agree with you, old comics should be reprinted as they were, scanned from old comics

>>92874769
So go pick one that isn't and colour it instead of crying about it you colossal faggot

>>92874202

Mangakas don't need colorists but most of the time need various assistants in charge of specific things, like shading, backgrounds, cleaning up, lettering, etc. Smaller publications usually have authors working with other 2 people. Big ones, like manga being published in Shonen Jump can have more than 10 assistants. Otherwise meeting deadlines would be impossible.
Compared to western comics, indie comics range form 1 person to 3. Big 2 usually have, writer, penciler/artist, inker, colorist and letterer. But they are published monthly, and with biweekly runs, the penciler (and maybe inker? I'm not sure) is switched.

All this is excluding editors in both sides.

>>92874624
what is this?

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>>92874587
actually published in an actual comic book that you could have actually bought with actual dollars from an actual store.

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>>92875068
The Dreadful, basically a Western set in a DnD universe, it's also ded as fuck so keep that in mind.

>>92874477
Whats going on with Illyana?

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>>92872665
>Flat style is the best style
Are you out of your gourd? Flat coloring (especially the kind in your picture) killed Joe Quinones's pencils in the America Chavez comic, which is a damn shame because his pencils are top fucking notch and the only redeeming feature of that shit book.

>>92875304
It's unfair to blame it on flat colouring, when it's really just a shitty amateur colourist who has no fucking clue how to colour anything.

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>>92875259
I think she was trying to listen to people fighting, if I recall. I just saved the pages because I like the art/colors.

>>92874587
They make comic coloring books. Plus you can find a shitton of inks on art sites real easy. Most artists are fine with you coloring their stuff as long as you credit.

>Flat coloring killed Joe Quinones's pencils in the America Chavez comic

Absolutely.

>>92875386
They guy has been in the industry for years. It's the only style he uses. It works sometimes but not there.

>>92874587
Has anyone taken the black and white Killing Joke and colored it like the original?

Art in old comics was inked and laid out taking the limited colors into consideration.
Newer stuff is a lot less careful about it because there are zero limits on colors.

I like the creative choices that had to be made in the old days though. It usually ends up a lot more striking. Coloring in the old days was an actual art form rather than just a skill...if that makes sense

>>92872665
That shade of yellow on flat-style does not suit well. Needs to be brighter.

I'd personally be cool with line-art if it meant that $5 wasn't the going rate for 23 pages.

>>92874587
Lots of comic are black and white. Just not the ones from the big publishers.

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>>92872665
that depends of the lineart

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>>92872665
sometimes a drawing can look like complete shit with a "modern coloring style? but look pretty cool in flat colors

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The only reason flat looks good in there is because the base colors are darker than the other ones and it's also the only one with some colored outlines, instead of plain black.

This image is from Last Man Standing. Tell me if you think this would be achievable with flats.

>>92878558
That looks like shit anyway.

>>92878667
I don't know, it's ugly but it looks cool somehow

>>92874352
I'm not that guy, nor am I certain I understand your point, but I fucking love rice crackers.