Who's going to win? Who would you have chosen for a

By all rights 18 should mop the floor with Carol, but since the Ms Marvel movie is coming out soon, Carol will win.

Deathbattle likes Marvel more than DBZ so Carol

18 is more powerful than post Frieza era SS Vegeta, she would peg ms marvel while Krillin shoves his greased up head in Carols gigantic pussy

>>92861431
17 is able to easily keep up SSB Goku because he fought poachers. 18 should be just as strong as her brother.

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>>92859589
Has Death Battle ever officially disowned or turned over their calculations used in the Gravity Formula for Goku vs Superman? If not, then we actually have a rough estimate of Android 18's stats by their own calculations.

In the manga we saw Vegeta training comfortably at 300x Earth's gravity in the gravity chamber during the 3 year training arc preparing for the androids and, presumably, he had grown accustomed to it as Goku did 100x gravity. Vegeta's weight is confirmed in story to be 60 kilograms, so him training at 300x normal gravity means he had grown used to effortlessly lifting 18 tons.

By dividing 18 by 40 (Goku's limitations they used for the calculations in the video), and multiplying that (18/40 = .45) to the calculations made for Goku, we can approximate SSJ Vegeta's strength at the time he fought Android 18, and thus just beyond that we have 18's powerset.

Strength: 18 tons by the 50x SS multiplier puts her at well over 900 tons, which is almost 10x base Captain Marvel's 92 tons.

Speed: 32,171,528.5 km/hr multiplied by .45 puts her at 14,477,187 km/hr, over Mach 10000 and just above 1.3% the speed of light. As I understand, Carol's top speed in base is less than Mach 100? I'm unaware just what kind of speed feats Binary has though

Durability: 433 quintillion MT multiplied by .45 puts her at 194.85 quintillion MT, meaning she should be able to tank the Earth exploding over 3600-fold. Going by a feat that left Binary completely drained of energy afterwards, blowing up the Brood homeworld (a singular planetary explosion), This also exceeds the energy contained with the Sun, which I believe is another limitation to Binary's output. It would seem like Android 18 can withstand the worst she can dish out. To add nothing of what her Energy Barrier might be able to add to her defense.

>>92859589
>Who do you want to win
18. She's the better character by far and I want to see YAAS QUEEN get SLAYED

>Who should win
Carol because 18's infinite energy generator is a giant juice box for Carol to go Binary+.

>Who will win
18 because Deathbattle are DBZ fans and want to throw their side a win against cape heroes.

>Who would you have rather seen fight?

God there are a lot of better vs matches than this.

Swamp-thing vs Man-thing

Tron vs Bob

Megaman.exe+Lan vs NICOLE+Sally

Voltron vs GaoGaiGar

NERV vs GGG (team battle)

Samurai Jack vs Guts

Jason Voorhees vs Casey Jones

Morgan Yu vs Tommy Tawodi (Who is the true Prey protagonist?)

>>92859589
non-binary
18
Binary form
Carol. She's a total planet buster in that form.

>>92862115
No, but you see Anon because (autistic calculations based on notes Toriyama scribbled down on a dinner napkin) 18 is capable of blowing up the universe twelve times over with just one punch. One punch.

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18's best feat so far won't even be counted when DB does the match

>>92862104
Death battle loves pissing off anime fans they had goku and kid buu lose. Also they like marvel even more than DC so carol will win.

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>>92862104
>Jason Voorhees vs Casey Jones
Nigga what? One cannot die and the other uses hockey sticks.

>>92862160
>>92862115
>She's a total planet buster in that form
Whoop-de-doo, Vegeta was a planet buster way back in the Saiyan saga. Freeza wipes his ass with planets he busted.

>Who's gonna win?

Carol, there's literally no way she can't if 18 uses her energy attacks.

>Who would you have chosen for a different fight?

Machine Man vs Megaman.

I feel like Death Battle just get's all their calculations and shit from here because of all the fucking neets trying to argue why their character will win

>>92862304
>One cannot die

Part 2 Jason failed to kill the last two survivors and lost to a shoulder wound.

Part 3 Jason failed to kill the final girl and lost to a blow to the head.

Part 4 Jason was killed by a little boy.

Now if you bring Part 6 Jason you have more of an actual battle because he was basically zombie wolverine who could teleport. But even he was stopped in part 9 and X when his head was blown apart.

Him vs Casey Jones would be a classic strength vs skill fight. Casey's non-metal weapons would just break on Jason, but Casey can't kill Jason unless he destroys his head. Jason has way more strength and endurance than Casey but is slow and very unskilled in hand to hand.

It would be an interesting match, there are good arguments for either of them to win.

>>92862341
Then Freeza got his base form ass handed to him by Piccolo, who got /his/ ass handed to him by Raditz.

Using logic like that doesn't work, you have to go by the power the character has shown, not the power of someone they beat. Otherwise, Spider-Man would also be considered a planet buster because of his fight with Firelord. Based on feats alone, the most impressive thing 18 has done was blow a hole in the side of a mountain while fighting Vegeta.

>>92862567
But Anon, DBZ is a show with perfect internal logic and if someone kicked a laser thrown by character X it must mean they can kick the milky way galaxy!

>>92862567
anon the most important thing 18's done is kick goku's Kamehameha away while goku was in blue. THE MADMAN WOULDA Killed Krillin

>>92862567
Alright then let me turn that around: if Spider-man can beat Firelord, then why the fuck can't 18 beat Binary in spite of having never seen her blow up a planet? It goes both ways, if planet-busting in DBZ is meaningless than it is in Marvel too.

Plus, it's fair to compare who they beat when they both fought the same person. A planet exploding did barely any damage to Freeza, but Trunks with a sword could easily cut through him. That SAME sword wielded by the SAME guy at the same general strength he was at before did shit to 18 (in fact the sword shattered), implying 18 can tank a planetary explosion at least as well as Freeza can.

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FUCK YOU

FUCK YOUR POWER LEVELS

POST YOUR CAROLS AND LAZULIS

>>92862713
>A planet exploding did barely any damage to Freeza

Nigger, what? He came back as a fucking cyborg.

>>92859589
Do you have source for that shot of 18?

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>>92862713
planet busting is meanless in db's verse THEY have Gods who's job is literally nothing but destroying planets

>>92862785
The planet itself didn't damage him to the point of near death, it was Goku who blasted him with ki a few moments before the explosion.

>>92862785
that was mostly cause goku dodged his attack and it cut him inhalf

>>92862567
Piccolo gave Freiza that work after fusing with Nail. The difference in power between Sayian Saga Piccolo and Namek Saga Piccolo is huge, that's not a good example at all. People get strong as they train and get various boosts and shit, it's not a constant level, and it's not only with Zenkai boosts.

>>92861481
>18 has more energy than a sun.
>DB completely ignores this because they had assumed that a supernova would kill Goku, who's more durable than 18.
Loving every laugh.

>>92862785
And before this >>92862854 , he did most of that damage to himself by cutting off his own lower half + arm accidentally

>>92862752
>Carol gets an image that shows her as strong, confident, ready to kick ass
>18 gets an image that shows her beaten, worn out, and literally about to get eaten by Cell.
This is some serious bias right here.

>>92861475
Actually, in terms of power level, each numbered Android is weaker than the last. 16 is stronger than 17, who is stronger than 18, etc. etc.

>>92862948
>one is a faux action girl who looks ready to kick ass but is just looking pretty
>the other is a girl actually mid-combat taking damage but visibly putting up an actual fight

Seems more fair to 18 than Carol, personally

>>92861475
17 at base was a bit weaker than 16 (though, really, they were about even in terms of power), and 16 has been training while 17 has more or less retired.

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I wish I had more civilian carols or there were more cute Captain Marvel carols in general, most of my collection is the Ms. Marvel outfit

>>92862960
17 is stronger then 16 and 18. 18 could only kick ssb goku's Kamehameha away while 17 takes it straight on anon
https://youtu.be/t6Yw6aCVebA

>>92862182
Just like the Goku vs Super v. II fight, they really jumped the gun on doing this.

>>92862843
>Krillin
>That tall
He wishes.

>>92862713
Because Spider-Man only won that fight because the plot demanded it. Just like 18 won her fight with Vegeta only because the plot demanded it. Realistically both of them should have loss their fights.

Hell, I /would/ say it's a durability feat for 18, but she was never hit by planet busting attack, so it really isn't.

>>92863004
Why do artists hate the idea of Carol being a woman?

>>92859589
Doing a quick google search, it looks like Binary Carol shits on 18 who shits on standard Carol.

So let's be real, they're going to hand Carol the win by having 18 uncharacteristically spam ki blasts, and the fans are going to lap it up while jerking themselves off to shitty drawings of Boomstick.

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>>92859589

People trying to hype up binary like it's so badass form, but it's still less than super saiyans, not to mention carol can't even hold the form for long and when it's over she's weaker than normal and needs to rest for days afterwards. Carol also gets her ass handed to her regularly by physical attacks, just look at shit like Avengers vs Xmen, Rogue pushed carol's shit in using her own level of abilities. Not to mention Carol can barely go against Moonstone in a straight up physical battle.

18 on the other hand won't get tired, is physically stronger and faster as well as stronger energy attacks. On top of that 18 can detect energy levels so she'd noticed carol getting powered up from energy attacks and would stop. The second carol went binary 18 would notice although she got a power boost, carol's power was going down quickly. At that point it's a wrap and 18 would knew she already won.

tldr: 18 should win but won't cause of marvel movie popularity

>>92862866
>Piccolo gave Freiza that work after fusing with Nail.

Oh, yes, the great power of fucking Nail gave him the strength he needed to beat Freiza.

>>92863090
yeah they shoulda atleast waited till the ToP was over in DBS

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>>92863034
Learn to appreciate buffCarols as well, anon.

>>92863094
Didn't Spider-man ALSO lead Firelord through a gauntlet of traps and deterrences trying to slow him down and when he knocked him out, it was an all-out assault only after Fire-lord was severely weakened by all those traps?

18 beat Vegeta handidly head on with no gimmicks.

>>92863094
>Realistically 18 should have lost
Nigga she killed all the Z fighters along with 17 in the bad timeline, that alone establishes that she should be able to beat Vegi Man.
She was created to kill SSJs, her winning makes sense.

>>92863140
he kept up with freeza until freeza went into his third form

>>92863157
They didn't even wait for Super, they did it immediately after BoG came out.

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>>92863158
Meh, I like muscle girls as much as the next guy but there's a limit to how cute beef-qts can get

>>92863140
Yes. That is explictly why. Go bitch to Toriyama.
He went from weaker than Vegeta (who hadn't gotten the Zenkai boost to let him fight Freiza yet) to stronger than Vegeta. Fusions aren't an additive boost.

>>92863177
The androids were built before the knowlede of SSJs. It was just coincidence that androids 16, 17, and 18 were stronger than SSJ1.

>>92863140
Nail was a warrior Namekian, and actually about as strong as Piccolo at the time, it kind of makes sense.

>>92863158
>Being gay.

Why can't Carol go back to being cute?

>>92863243
No they weren't, that computer shit was watching the battle and updating their construction. It knew all about them because of how Vegeta killed that fat one.

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>>92863209
which was fucking stupid. I think Toriyama is making fun of it this arc by having Goku's main rival of the universal survival arc be a team of super heroes

>>92863090
>>92863209
>Implying anything Goku's done sense then puts him in the same ballpark as Final Crisis Superman

Do you want them to make a third match between them just to have Goku lose again? Is that what you want?

>>92863177
Bad timeline doesn't count because it's a completely separate reality from the main timeline where things played out differently.

>>92863322
The only thing that was different is Future Trunks gave Goku medicine, and told them the Android's were coming. If anything, they trained more as a result and Vegeta still got washed by 18.

>>92863322
You're right.
Trunks confirmed that the bad timeline Androids were even WEAKER than the main timeline (I would assume because Gero had more time to tinker with them, weakening them in an attempt to gain control over them).
And there's nothing to suggest that Vegeta was any stronger in the main timeline, considering Trunks was still born in both timelines. In fact, if anything, he had more time to train in the bad timeline.

>>92863322
If anything, wouldn't that make them stronger because they had extra time to analyze super saiyan vegeta and goku.

Bad timeline androids only ever fought a one armed super saiyan gohan. Vegeta from what I remember never had the chance to achieve super saiyan.

>>92863191
But how long did Nail keep up with Freizea? Because it that entire fight Freiza was just toying with him.

>>92863234
It's not an issue of Fusions not being additive boosts, it's an issue of Nail probably would have done worse than Piccolo during the fight with Raditz.

>>92863258
But isn't Freiza supposed to be significantly stronger than Raditz? combining two people who are weaker than Raditz doesn't seem like it would make much of a difference.

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>>92863318
Goku's DOOMED 8 Universe anon Hes a madman thats on the cusp of breaking his limits and achieving a new form. If the High priest ends up being the big bad of the arc Goku is going to shoot up to being almost King of everything Tire

>>92863499
Piccolo was stronger than Raditz by the time Vegeta and Nappa came to earth (we know this because the Saibamen were at Raditz's level, and Piccolo fought them off fairly handily)
Piccolo then got another large power boost when he trained on King Kai's planet, bringing him up to a decent power level by the time he was brought to Namek.

>>92863499
You do realize by the time they touch down on Namek, everyone's been stronger than Raditz for a while, right? Like, Piccolo trained up to Raditz+ before Nappa touched down.

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>>92863579
>everyone's been stronger than Raditz for a while, right?
Right...
Everyone...

>>92863622
>by the time they touch down on Namek, everyone's been stronger than Raditz for a while, right?
Yamcha died on Namek?
News to me.

>>92863540
>Goku's DOOMED 8 Universes anon

Superman saved 52.

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raditz is fodder their mom is stronger then him

>>92863647
Well, I mean, he probably hadn't trained with King Kai before the gang got to Namek, so it kind of counts.
Let's be real, he probably never got stronger than Raditz, filler shit aside.

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>>92863677
Still anon u can't stop the madman he's bring back freeza

>>92863318
I think they should have held off a second rematch until they had more than just "wow, a new transformation that we know nothing about!".

Also lol infinite strength. Like what kind of argument is that?

>>92863295
By computer shit, I assume you meant the tracking devices. Dr. Gero had no knowledge of any events happening on Namek, which included Super Saiyan. Furthermore, the supercomputer was primarily using its data to work on Cell, not improving 16, 17 and 18.

>>92862104
>Megaman.exe+Lan vs NICOLE+Sally
I haven't played Battle Network, but wouldn't Sally just annihilate Lan in hand to hand? And wouldn't .Exe shitstomp Nicole?

>>92861475
17 trained and fought every day, he also fought space poachers.

What if...what if, we fused 18 and Carol? Whadaya say guys? HUh?

Has a DBZ character ever won Death Battle?

>>92863781
Considering .exe has fought the sentient force of the entire internet like three times, also he beat an earth destroying alien, it would be hard to find a computer program stronger than him.

If you count Star Force Megaman then it might be a good fight, since he destroyed shit like sentient black holes and meteors bigger than Earth.

>>92863890
18 deserves better

>>92863740
>goku risks the lives of several universes inorder to fight the stronger people.
>lies to his friends about the stakes of the tournament
>When finding out they were down a team mate. Goku chooses to bring the guy that killed his best friend, killed vegeta, is responsible for his race extinction, destroyed namek, and invaded earth twice.

How can toei/toro/toriyama not be aware of how much of a character assassination this is?

>>92863747
>What kind of argument is that

Under certain writers Superman's entire thing is being a miracle worker. Grant Morrison said in an interview that he's always seen the main theme of Superman being making the impossible possible, blurring the lines between god and man, real and fiction, human and alien, possible and impossible. Lifting infinity isn't even in the top five craziest things he's done.

>>92863781
I meant the battle to be operator and AI vs operator and AI, so Lan and Sally wouldn't actually fight.

>Wouldn't .Exe shitstop NICOLE?

I want to say that NICOLE would be able to put up a fight because she can change the "rules" of the virtual environment they're fighting in on the fly while Hub has to stick to the "rules" of netbattling. But that really doesn't matter once Lan starts chaining invincibility chip combos. So yeah it sort of is a curbstomp for .Exe.

>>92863912
>Hard to find a computer program stronger than him.

Multivac

>>92863974
Dont question it Goku's never been as good of a person as Kal El

>>92863974
>goku risks the lives of several universes in order to fight the stronger people.
>lies to his friends about the stakes of the tournament
>Goku chooses to bring the guy that killed his best friend
This is 100% dead on with Goku, actually. He's done ALL of that before. This is just on a larger scale.

>>92863912
That's what I thought. Thing is, as far as combat goes, Nicole isn't really that strong. Her capabilities lie more in environmental control and defense. And her overclocked form can be timed out stupidly quickly and basically kill her and whatever console she was in at the time.

Now if we factor in Iron Nicole, or at least give Nicole New Mobotropolis to play with, things get slightly more even but .exe absolutely fucking has this either way.
>>92863897
Vegeta beat Shadow and Mr Satan beat Dan
>>92864009
>I want to say that NICOLE would be able to put up a fight because she can change the "rules" of the virtual environment they're fighting in on the fly while Hub has to stick to the "rules" of netbattling. But that really doesn't matter once Lan starts chaining invincibility chip combos. So yeah it sort of is a curbstomp for .Exe.
That's what I thought. What little I've heard about BN leads me to believe his arsenal is just as insane as say, X and Classic, if not moreso, and that shit's hard for anyone who's not on the powerlevel of fucking Archie Sonic to deal with, especially someone like Nicole who isn't about combat to begin with. A closer Mega Man vs Sonic thing would be Metal Sonic vs Zero, but I think Zero could take it depending on how lenient we are with Metal's copy abilities.

>>92863974
Because Toriyama has always loved the Goku/Frieza rivalry, even more so than Goku/Vegeta. And when you think about it, it's hard not to see the appeal

>elegant yet despotic space lizard prodigy that literally ruled most of the universe
vs
>idiot monkey farmer that's just INSANELY good at fighting

Honestly, if they made it a "they fight crime" kind of deal my heart will flutter

>>92863499
>It's not an issue of Fusions not being additive boosts, it's an issue of Nail probably would have done worse than Piccolo during the fight with Raditz.
Nail had a power level of 50000 when he first fought Frieza. He was the strongest Namekian in existence before he fused with Piccolo and after the Nameless Namekian unfused creating Piccolo and Kami.

>>92864009
Sure, sure, but their specific argument was still flawed.
>Half of infinity is still infinity XD
>Despite the fact that, if that were true in this instance, Superman could have carried that book by himself.

I mean I get it, Supes is as powerful as he needs to be, but really that's something you can say of practically any character in fiction. If you start pulling out that argument, then it makes DB look even more biased than it already is in some cases.

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>>92863974
Goku didn't know Zeno was already planning on erasing most of existence. Him proposing the tournament gave them a fighting chance.
The Frieza thing I am legit pissed about since I was looking forward to seeing the payoff of Buu's efforts. He already dropped out of the U6 tournament since he dozed off, and they have him do it again. It's not even funny

>>92864197
>businessman Frieza

I had no idea how much I wanted this

>>92864222

You forget Toriyama was always a comedy writer first and action writer second. If smashing a character's development would mean a good punch line, odds are he's gonna go with the joke

>>92864189
>Superman could have carried the book by himself

Nowhere did he say he NEEDED Captain Marvel to lift the book, only that he appreciated the help. Every member of the team was recruited for a specific reason, and Billy's reason was shown to be that they needed him to keep the peace between Ultraman and Superman, not to lift the book. In fact the shear enormity of lifting infinity caused Captain Marvel to revert to Billy Superman was fine.

And then Ultraman, explicitly Superman's equally powered evil double, hefts the book.

>That's something you can say of practically any character in fiction

Except Superman has explicit showings where he does insane stuff. So does Goku. But Superman's insane stuff is just more insane than Goku's.

>>92864197
Vegeta cucked once again.

>>92864087
In theory NICOLE could win by locking Lan out of the system. Hub is fucked if Lan isn't passing him chips. She can also win if Sally can attack Lan (Tai WAS allowed to attack Red...). NICOLE can fight without Sally but Hub NEEDS Lan.

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>>92864222
anon they foreshadowed buu sleeping. Buu will get payoff in the uub arc and when he makes his wife boobie

>>92864344
But the joke's not even funny. It wasn't funny the first time, and not funny now. It feels more like he just didn't know what to have Buu do when the tournament started.

>>92864266
I like it

>>92864266
He was based on loan sharks so it fits quite well.

>>92863974

Goku knows what he's doing.

In the Buu Saga did they not say dead people only have 24 hours in the living realm? Freiza is going back to the cocoon as soon as the tournament is wrapping up, probably right before he gets his prize just like back on Namek.

>>92864403
True, though how long will it take Nicole to figure that out, and how long can she hold out against an insanely versatile fighter like him without having to resort to Overclocked? Though I could be wrong, again, haven't played Battle Network

But if Lan and Sally go hand to hand, and Hub needs Lan, well, yeah Nicole and Sally win that outright

>>92864473
>In the Buu Saga did they not say dead people only have 24 hours in the living realm? Freiza is going back to the cocoon as soon as the tournament is wrapping up, probably right before he gets his prize just like back on Namek.
there is a 0% chance Toriyama remembers that plot detail

>>92864473
Freeza's going to wanna get the super dragon ball wish that the winners of the ToP gets

>>92864496

He remembered Brolly though

>>92864522
Broly has 3 movies, is in every video game, and has a very loud fanbase. It's hard to forget him

>>92864468
Really? With the feminine voice and everything? How did that happen?

>>92864476
I guess that's the theme of the battle then. Can NICOLE last long enough to cut Hub's access to Lan?

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>>92864522
>>92864590
Its Kale time now HER SKIN IS COOLER

>>92864712
>cut Hub's access to Lan?
Considering how they're super connected as a point in the games, as Lan's dad made him use a super dangerous program that syncs their souls at the end of the first game and shit? No, their entire power is full sync, they're absolutely synced in a supernatural ghost way.

>>92864712
Frieza is less defined by being feminine, and more by being polite.
The whole point is that he puts on this overly polite facade, while deep down being a brutal monster that will roll over anyone if it means making a quick buck.

Preview of the animation is up

https://twitter.com/BenBSinger/status/869969161643900928

TFS's Android 18 is voicing her, not sure who is Carol's VA

>>92859589
If you're going by feats (which you should because Death Battle sure as hell will) Carol simply has more feats to her name than 18. All 18 did was slap up Vegeta that one time, and then get absorbed into Cell, then become a Housewife for the rest of her days. They probably should have done this after the Universe Survival arc, but I doubt that'll make much of a difference.

>>92864912
>Another 2D animation.
Eh. What's their main 3D guy up to right now? He hasn't done anything in ages?
He must be working on something big. Galactus vs.
Unicron?

>>92864969
Beating up SSJ Vegeta is sure as hell more of an accomplishment than anything Carol's ever done though

>>92865037
B-but Binary.

SAD FOR YOU

>>92865037
It really is.

>>92865107
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZq3An7Tf_w
I'll be disappointed if they don't reference this in some way.

I don't have any particular grudge nor glee for this new Death battle, but as for DB's I'd actually *like* to see? Hrm... Not counting any match ups that are stupidly one sided, or involve One Punch man...lesse:

-Alaan Moore Swamp Thing vs. 2003 Moss Man from MotU

-Optimus Prime vs. Original Gundam

-(Part VI and beyond) Jason Voorhees vs. Fucking Anybody. Hell, I'd accept Rick from Splatterhouse

-Breath of Fire Ryu (any of them, but I'd prefer...say... 4) vs. Original Melificent.

-Samurai Jack vs. Fate/ Saber

-Taz vs. Cookie Monster (would never happen and I can only imagine this would be sad unless it was an eating contest)

-Optimus Prime vs. ANYBODY

-Mob from Mob Psycho 100 vs. Dark Phoenix

-Alternate: Mob vs. Green Lantern

-Tag team even of Kamen Riders 01 and 02 vs. Captain America and Sam Wilson Captain America

-Ness or Lucas from Smash/Earthbound vs. Steven Universe

>>92865037
>>92865129
wait, really?

She's been a character for like 50 years, has she really not done anything all that impressive? Does she have a Rogues gallery?

>>92865294
She can't even Break through a wall in secret empire Yass queen is shit

>>92865232

Vegetto Blue vs Superman

>>92865232
I'd love to see Ness or Lucas too, but I feel like that's a bit mismatched.
Ness is far out of Steven's league, while Lucas doesn't really have any feats to judge him by.

>>92865294
She's blown up planets by accident before.

>>92865389
Vegito Blue has a 5 minute timer.
I don't think that's enough time to finish the job.

>>92863721
>that manga of some dude dying and waking up as Yamcha
Anyone has it?
I remember some of it was posted, just can't remember if it was here or on /a/

>>92865389
wait till Goku gets his new form anon

>>92863831
>>92861475

>Space Poachers

this is why DBZ style power levels are just the worst. Planet Vegeta was supposed to be filled with one of the most savage and powerful races in the universe, and Frieza was able to kill them all singlehandedly. On top of that Frieza had a space empire with underlings from many worlds. By all rights he should be one of the most powerful beings in the universe. But because the main protagonist's power increased a thousandfold since then and the rest of the universe has to magically be able to keep up with him, I bet those random space poachers are each about as powerful as a million Friezas.

It completely ruins the universe when you realize one of the saiyans on planet Vegeta could have spent an extra 5 months training really hard, reached Super Saiyan Jesus Krishna Gilgamesh mode, and killed every one of Frieza's warriors with one hand behind his back

>>92865232
>-Mob from Mob Psycho 100 vs. Dark Phoenix
I'd save this until we learn the truth behind ???% Mob (I'm an animefag so I don't know if the manga already gave the answer)

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>>92861475
Android 2017 makes no sense

>>92865892
Strong guys are always going to be out there somewhere. Frieza's men hadn't taken control of everything, nor had Planet Vegeta. Its a big universe out there. Not to mention power vacuums and shit.

There's nothing that doesn't make sense.

>>92865433
I dunno... Ness is capable of beating a Krakken to death with a baseball bat, has healing powers and a PSI shield, and a ranged special attack that is ultimately only second to Starstorm (which... don't he and Lucas get that in Smash anyway?)

Steven has a more versatile shield power set, superhuman strength, and his healing powers might not work on himself. Nor does he have a melee weapon aside from his Mom's sword which has become kind of Connie's deal more than his.

My point is it's not an immediate one-sided fight with an apparent victor right off the bad. Shit like Venom vs. Bane needs to stop when you know damn well who's gonna win with no surprise.

>>92865931

what doesn't make sense is that the universe's powerlevels vary so wildly but yet every enemy Goku faces is within striking distance of his power level, as if it's a World of Warcraft theme park adventure.

What are the fucking odds that they never encountered someone with a power level of eleventy billion back when the highest power level on earth was 500? What are the odds that every enemy shows up happens to be ten times more powerful than the last guy?

>>92861328
Megazord lost despite the Power Rangers movie coming out
>>92862104
How powerful is Man-Thing?
I know Swamp-Thing's the embodiment of all plant life and can apparently have soul hax

>>92864712
>Freeza, a broker who forcibly takes over planets to resell them, was created around the time of the Japanese economic bubble and was inspired by real estate speculators, whom Toriyama called the "worst kind of people.

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>>92865892

Is it any different then the idea of two teenage cyborgs from Earth being twice as strong as the proclaimed Emperor of the Universe an arc later?

>>92865931

>Strong guys are always going to be out there somewhere. Frieza's men hadn't taken control of everything, nor had Planet Vegeta. Its a big universe out there.

Except Freeza was acknowledged by King Kai, Supreme Kai, Beerus, and Whis as the strongest individual in Universe 7 prior to Goku defeating him.

>>92864986
From the signs on Torrian's twitter
>Weapons that may transform
>Wushu scores
>Studying books
People speculate it's Maka Albarn vs Ruby Rose
Fucking kill me
>>92864912
>Long hair
Yes

>>92866297
>Is it any different then the idea of two teenage cyborgs from Earth being twice as strong as the proclaimed Emperor of the Universe an arc later?

No, my whole point is that was retarded as fuck too. It's like all the villains of the multiverse got together beforehand, and decided to line up from weakest power level to strongest, and attack the heroes in order.

>>92866297
Yeah Freiza was definitely stronger than Buu or Dabura or a dozen others that contradict your statement. Freiza was said to be dangerous space warlord and Beerus saw his potential, not that he was the strongest guy in the universe confirmed.

Also this complaint is pretty useless. Piccolo is currently almost Goku tier, is it because he goes around fighting Freiza tier guys each day? No its because he keeps up his training in the background. Android 17 also kept up his training more because he had to constantly protect the park. Even if they weren't always strong it forced him to stay on edge always.

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>What viewers want
Jack vs Kenshin
>What people with taste want
Jack vs Guts
>What people with no sense of match parallels want
Jack vs Genji, Jack vs Raiden
>Ludicrous and asinine by all accounts with only a bare connection/parallel
Jack vs Finn

>>92866423
>Also this complaint is pretty useless. Piccolo is currently almost Goku tier, is it because he goes around fighting Freiza tier guys each day? No its because he keeps up his training in the background.

Piccolo was constantly training before Z even started and his power level was less than 500. Is there a god constantly rewriting the physics in the universe to make training more effective each time a villain is defeated? Why was constantly training for years and years only enough to reach power level 500 but after Frieza died he gain gain hundreds of thousands of power levels by training for a few weeks?

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Repostin

>>92866423

Why was Frieza so dangerous then? Someone as strong as Buu could have showed up and killed him with a flick of the wrist. How did he manage to build a space empire without encountering anyone stronger?

>>92859589
I hope fucking 18 wins. Fuck Carol Danvers, what a goddamn cunt.

>>92866336
>Another RWBY fight
Just end me now, fampai.
So, what's it going to be? Are they going to let Ruby die to shut up people who were calling foul play on the last RWBY fight, or are they just going to repeat what happened last time?

>>92862876
It could. The heat and the blast radious of a planet exploding can kill a SSB Vegeta.

>>92861475
You do realize that SSB Goku is capable of easily adjusting how powerful and weak he wants to be right? They even admit that he wasn't going all out against 17.

>>92866708
Logic says Carol
Heart (and penis) says 18

>>92866805
Creators kinda hate DBZ, so no.

Carol is going to drain 18's infinite energy generator and go super nova, winning instantly.

>>92866836
The planet exploding isn't what killed Vegeta, it was the lack of oxygen in the after-math. They said Freeza lived through the explosion and he was far weaker than Getes

>>92866876
18 is stronger than Freiza, which is pretty strong. Freezer can blow up planets and stuff.

>>92861481
>base Captain Marvel's 92 tons.
Based Captain Marvel isn't that strong. She is probably 70 tons at best.

>>92863747
>>92864189
Well, i'm sorry Dragonfag. Superman is that way.

>>92866955
Can we stop for a moment and talk about how retarded Marvel's writers are? They seem to think that 100 tons is enough for a lot of these feats that a ton of heroes have, but it really isn't.

>>92865389

Superman punches him in the dick and then just goes on a rant about this dragon ball assholes always looking to fight him and how he is sick of it.

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>>92866929
stronger then Lord Freeza I don't think so

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>>92866423

>Yeah Freiza was definitely stronger than Buu or Dabura or a dozen others that contradict your statement.

Buu was asleep in a pod on Earth for millions of years after Supreme Kai killed Bibidi. He wouldn't have been awoken by his doppelganger Babidi had it not been for Goku, Vegeta, Gohan ect who all had enormous ki to feed Majin Buu with.

Dabura was part of the Demon Realm which isn't part of the actual Universe. He also got enhanced strength due to Babidi. But again, the Demon Realm is not within the actual Universe 7 much like the Hell and Heaven of Universe 7 are separate as well.

Also Whis has absolute knowledge on everything in regards to Universe 7. He would've known.

>Android 17 also kept up his training

People are jumping the gun saying that these characters are near Goku tier. Goku was testing them and then we have Toei doing what Toei does best in the form huge inconsistencies. That said though, he's still a modified human, he likely can gain ki at a rapid pace then others.

>>92866526

>Piccolo was constantly training before Z even started and his power level was less than 500.

Toriyama doesn't care for consistency. He's always been like that. Can't complain about him though, he had a brutal work schedule when originally writing and drawing Dragon Ball for ten years straight.

For example, when Goku goes to Kami's Lookout to train, he's there for three years and only gains a powerlevel of 180 to around 300+. While Krillin, Tenshinhan, and Yamcha all go from 180-250 to 1200 in just one year of training Kami's Lookout.

Training in Dragon Ball has NEVER made sense whatsoever.

Honestly I hope Android 18 loses even if I internally want her to win. The tears made by Pedro's going "AY YI YI NO BUENO" over Goku losing to Superman 4-5 years ago were well worth every drop.

>>92867278
Issue there is that Freezer is now stronger than Freiza.

He surpassed himself

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>>92867306
yes now he's goku's best friend LOOK AT THIS KINO

>>92865037
If you consider getting impregnated by her own son in order to give birth to himself, that is a pretty noticeable and impossible accomplishment.

>>92866955
She can toss moons around, anon.

>>92865892
>Planet Vegeta was supposed to be filled with one of the most savage and powerful races in the universe
>powerful
The Saiyans weren't the most powerful. They were honestly shit and majority of them would be considered low class warriors.

>>92866738
1) Beerus killed majority of them for minor offenses.
2) Killed by early Buu before they could had evolved to that point.
3) Killed by Frieza or his men before they grew up.
4) Frieza's empire is located in one section of the universe.
5) Buu was sealed.

>>92867295
>Training in Dragon Ball has NEVER made sense whatsoever.

Yeah, that's my problem with it. People gain as much power as they need to in order to be just a couple tiers weaker than the next bad guy so he can still be a threat but not to the extent that he can vaporize them all with a look. There's no internal logic to it other than "I need this guy's power level to jump from 500k to 8.93 x 10^31. I know, I'll just say he spent half a year training!"

>>92867295
In Dragon Ball it made sense
Z fucked everything up post Saiyan saga

>>92866876
DBZ characters are super sonic speed flying, planet busting, teleporting, ki blasting martial artists.

Current Carol is a flying brick roughly as strong as Iron Man with some limited energy absorption/projection powers. She wouldn't be able to handle Yamcha.

so about her energy absorbing abilities
would they work on the kienzan?
because if not 18 is more than smart enough to realize she can absorb her energy blasts and pull something like that

>>92867373
You just know what happens after this...

>>92862876
Goku needed a protective suit just to go inside the Earth, so...yeah. DBZ fans love to over estimate these characters.

>>92862341
>Vegeta was blah blah
Filler, doesn't count.

>>92863090
>jumped the gun
Not really, by DB logic Superman's power is his max potential, which is infinite, meaning Goku was functionally fighting Superman Prime. No powerups Goku ever receives will ever invalidate that fight.

>>92867975
He claimed he was ready to do it in the beam-struggle with Goku, he had no reason to over-state or bluff his capabilities. He could have blasted Earth to dust in the Saiyan saga.

>>92863747
It's not an argument, it's basic knowledge of the character and what he's accomplished.

>>92868078
he claimed he was capable of ending all life on earth, not destroying earth
the former requires a LOT less energy

>>92868118
If Roshi could blow up the moon, why couldn't a guy with a power-level over 100 times his blow up a planet?

>>92867865
She can absorb mystical energy but it tends to fuck her up if she does. She bleeds off absorbed energy constantly though so unless 18 spams blasts, Even then, the force of the attack Carol can do after absorbing enough energy has been stated to be equivalent to one nuke. To a DBZ character during 18's time, that is about as damaging as a hit from a child.

>>92867865
Yes, Carol can absorb anything that isn't solid matter. Heat, gravitational, electromagnetic, photonic, nuclear, magical, ki-based energy attacks are well within her ability to suck up.

That said Android 18 isn't prone to rely on energy attacks in general, her entire fight with Vegeta for example was all physical blows on her part.

>>92868118
Vegeta literally blew up a planet on the way to Earth during his first story arc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnqtg0bte6w

>>92868280
not to mention that she has experience with energy absorbers (both of them showed knowledge regarding Gero's upgrades) so she'd quickly catch on

>>92868327
and we all know that's filler
later on Frieza's ability to blow up a planet is seen as a unique feat

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>Sprite match
>Uses custom sprites from the looks of it
>Probably done by the guy who did Scrooge vs Shovel Knight and Ace vs Natsu (he knows a guy who makes custom sprites which also gave us this)

Hoping that if 18 dies it won't be as gruesome as Shovel Knight's and Ace's deaths
If Carol dies then I'm all for it

>>92859589
>No Mongul vs Apocalypse
>No Darkseid vs Thanos (After 4 seasons mind you)
>No Atrocitus vs Asura
>No Galactus vs Unicron
>No Dedede vs King K. Rool
>No Captain Falcon vs Kamen Rider Black
>No Shazam vs Captain Marvel
>No Cell vs Metal Sonic

Meanwhile, we get 50 more unoriginal DC vs Marvel fights and Saitama vs Goku. Hooray.

>>92868401
>>No Cell vs Metal Sonic
Zero vs Metal would be better, mostly because Cell vs Metal would be obscenely tilted in Cell's favor

>>92868401
>No Galactus vs Unicron
They said they have to do it eventually, most likely as a season finale tier episode (Megazord vs Voltron or Drake vs Lara were the original intended Season 3 finale IIRC) considering how demanded it is and the general popularity of it.
Someone speculated it keeps getting delayed because of how complicated Unicron's history is

>>92868450
Oh right. But then again, why not shit like Amazo or Ultron vs Cell? I'd watch that.

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>>92863974

>How can toei/toro/toriyama not be aware of how much of a character assassination this is?

Let me guess, you believe Goku is the hope of the universe, the answer to all living things that call out for peace, the protector of the innocent, light in the darkness, the truth and the ally to good, nightmare to evil?

>>92868525
Plastic Man can't die and has taken harder forces before.
His elasticity is more potent as he can shapeshift into a working bicycle and even a working plane

>>92868582
I'd say Luffy would put up a pretty darn good fight though, he can withstand a lot of punishment and despite the inferior powerset he does get pretty creative with it

>>92868753
>>92868582
>>92868525
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ0JwVPPm5M

>>92867373
>Goku's just going to watch Frieza beat up Cabba, Kale and Caulifla just when they're figuring out how to turn Super Saiyan.

He truly is a sadist

>>92867936
>being able to tank a sun exploding means you can withstand the heat of the fucking core of the earth

>>92868779

fucking Anchor Arms

>>92868815

w-wouldn't it?

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>>92868787
Caulifa's atleast SSJ2 by the time of the ToP she's literal Fem goku so Freeza might fall in love. Kale is LSSJ and the spoilers say everyone across universe 6 can feel her power so Lssj is getting retcon to be pretty fucking strong so she might give freeza a good fight . Cabba like Vegeta will be Freeza's bitch. Yes Goku is a sadist but a sadist that is a madman

>>92868364
The feat has never been contradicted nor has it been stated as unique to Vegeta. Meanwhile, moon disintegrating feats have been happening since the original Dragonball with Master Roshi and Piccolo. By the time 18 pops up in DBZ, all the active fighters can no sell those attacks with ease. Carol wouldn't be able to handle Yamcha much less 18.

>>92868815
Sayans still have to breath and their sense of smell tends to be a weakness.

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If Marvel were selected to participate in the Tournament of Power, what 10 members could they put together in 40 hours would give them the best odds of victory?

>>92868987
just send one reality warper

>>92868987
Doctor Doom and 9 Doom Bots

>>92868987
*forgot to include caveat: Kais and Gods of Destruction aren't allowed to compete so presume really upper cosmic shit like Galactus, Celestials, Order/Chaos are off the table.

Lower cosmics like Silver Surfer or something are fine I think

>>92869025

or failing that, a powerful telepath that can control minds

>>92865389
Ever doing superman again. Anon i love superman too but you would need someone just as outrageous as him to keep up. I'd go for One Punch Man vs superman tho.

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>>92868987
>not using the real team

>>92867821
I'd put Carol at least on Tiens level. Maybe a little under.

>>92869153
Superman would have grabbed that meteor and easily throw it back into space. Superman is stronger. One Punch Man stands above the rest only in his own universe.

>>92863622
I hope Dragon Ball Super ends with Yamcha saving the day

>>92868525
I thought we've decided on Reed Richards. Plastic man is fucking OP

>>92869248
He is a joke. A FUCKING JOKE. Any fight with him ends in one punch, you stupid autistic fucking cunt.

>>92868896
The amount of detail on the right compared to the left is very sad.

>>92868987
Doctor Doom
Magneto
Doctor Strange
Silver Surfer
Thor
Hulk
Scarlet Witch
Rachel Grey
Black Bolt
Hyperion

This is about as well rounded a team of A-listers as you can get and most of them are more than willing to work together. The only wild cards are Doom and Magneto but they would recognize when their universe were on the line. Plus, 9/10's of these guys are on Earth, easy to round up.

>>92869342
>Reed Richards gets all kinds of gadgets, technological protections and inventions that should make it impossible for him to lose
>Luffy still wins by punching really really hard

>>92869389
The ToP is not all about power, you need a wide range of skills and I think you're lacking in a solid leadership role. Despite his B-List at best power-set I think Cap should be included because of his tactics

>people think Death Battle is credible after they have ignored huge parts of a character's arsenal
Remember when Cloud and Tifa had no Materia?

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>>92869522
The animation for DBX has gotten better, but it's just kind of sad that these come out the day after One Minute Melees, which are always better

BTW they posted 18's preview here

She will win

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZdTUM1DLdQ

>>92868582
I think Haki would be able to deal with Plastic Man.

>>92869464
>implying any man's tactics are superior to that of Doom's

t. Richards

>>92869522
I remember that MUGEN Guts.

>>92869570
Yeah the last one minute melee sucks tho tbqh

>>92865294
>Does she have a Rogues gallery?

You know who her biggest villain is historically? Mystique. Not even fucking joking. Lately they tried to turn Moonstone into a villain for but it was pretty meh. Literally Rogue, Mystique, and Moonstone. And everyone once in a while some random ass fucker will show up who had like 2 mins relevancy in the 70's.

>>92869777
I thought it was good. Not the best one they've done, but fun nonetheless, and I say this as someone who's not a fan of either series

>>92868896
Caulifla isn't exactly Goku. Caulifla is already shown to be powerful in her base form and was said to have a lot of potential. She would be more like Gohan in terms of potential but Vegito in terms of personality, serious yet playful.

>>92866876
>Logic says Carol

what fucking logic are you using?

>Goku asked Frieza instead of Future Trunks to be in ToP

>>92869917
this

Why did they go with roshi and tien over trunks.

>>92863051
He meant when they were first introduced

>>92869917
That would require time travel which is a big no no with the GoDs. Beerus himself threatened Bulma to never make another time machine again

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>>92863158
I don't like men, anon

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Assuming that they follow the same rules and weapons aren't allowed:
Thor w/o Jarnbjorn and Mjolnir - powerhouse
Silver Surfer w/o board - powerhouse
Gladiator - powerhouse
Hyperion - powerhouse
Hulk - powerhouse
Makkari - speedster
Doctor Strange - support, magic, magic protection
Doctor Doom - leader
Mantis - support, telepath and telepathic protection
Invisible Woman - support, stealth and protection

>>92861328
>>92861431
>>92862104
>>92862341
Binary has the power of a star. 18 cant match that

>>92870230
Im fairly certain 18s natural power output is litteraly that of a star

>>92870230
Binary also has pre-mature ejaculation issues. Can't even sustain it for long.

>>92869346
He had to pummel the space alien conqueror. He doesn't solve all problems with one punch, that's just a meme. Superman wins!

>>92870230
>carolfags keep trying to make binary stronger and stronger than what it is

And this is exactly why Carol will win, when she should lose.

>>92865294
she does not. her best Rogue was moonstone during the siege/dark reing. but even that was only good in the last 4 comics of that arc Ms marvel vol2.
Carol is that random high level dude in a mmo that you call to compliment the party. but the fight is still winnable with or without him

Goku's end game is to fight both Zen-Oh-sama's.

>>92869917
Just punch and ki blast Buu until he wakes up! Christ!

>>92871184
They could have thrown him in the time chamber if Vegeta didn't blow it up again.

>>92871206
Popo was right. Ban Vegeta!

How many years has he spent in the time chamber in Super, by the way? He goes to it pretty often. The guy must be like a decade older.

>>92871247
He spent 3 years in there before the U6 tournament started, then 6 months after a pointless round 2 with Black and Zamasu, and I think he spent another 6 months in there just recently.
Remember when they said you can only use the HTC twice in your life?

>>92868582
One Piece haki is essentially hacks against other superpowered people though.

>>92863974
>goku risks the lives of several universes inorder to fight the stronger people.
No he didnt, Zeno said he was already gonna wipe out the lower level universes. Goku actually gave them a chance to fight for survival.

>>92871247
he does it to get away from Bulma

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>>92868561
That was a really good hero speech, too bad Goku doesn't give a damn about any of that.

>TFW you always liked the English dub too

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>>92869795
Shit, who would Yujiro be a good fit for?

>>92871482
Goku cares about his friends, but he was never the hero. Toriyama recently even had an interview how he didn't like how Goku was always portrayed as heroic like that. Goku is a bit more morally ambiguous than Superman

Hell during the pre-tournament one of the contestants got Zeno to agree not to wipe out the losing universes if he could beat Goku. Goku could have taken a dive a dozen ways without holding back, just by wasting his energy for example, but the thought never even occurred to him, he only cared about fighting.

Goku is not the hero, people who keep painting his actions at the moment that really he was morally correct and he was the savior of everything because "Well maybe Zeno was planning to wipe out the universes anyway at some unappointed time, that he probably would have forgotten about" miss the point. Goku is excited about being called evil if it means strong people will fight him.

He's not evil but he's ambiguous at times, like when he gave Cell a senzu.

>>92871635
>Hell during the pre-tournament one of the contestants got Zeno to agree not to wipe out the losing universes if he could beat Goku
You forgot the part where Zeno said if Goku held back, he'd end all the universes then and there.

>>92871683
>You forgot the part where Zeno said if Goku held back, he'd end all the universes then and there.
No I didn't, I even addressed it right after that.

>>92871705
>the motherfucking grand priest, the being there closest to omniscience is watching you
>you think you can fool him by taking a dive
>you think goku of all people can fool him

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>>92871552
hayato furinji.

>>92871795
All he has to do is use a transformation that takes way too much energy to maintain. He's still not holding back by doing that.

>>92871824
I was thinking more of a western counterpart.

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>>92871824
>that cape

>>92870519
Binary is literally defined as having access to the energy of a singularity.

>>92871839
>he thinks goku is smart enough to do that
>he thinks the grand priest isnt smart enough to see past that ruse anyways

>>92871839
He busted out Kiaoken Blue for the fight. He wasn't holding back

>>92871887
maybe, brock sampson?

>>92871942
The issue wasn't that he was holding back, the issue was that if he lost there then every universe would have been saved, but the thought never crossed his mind nor did it matter in the least to him. Which is important to paint his morals.

If he had cared about losing while still not holding back there are plenty of ways to do it, but he didn't care. He only cared about fighting shit, not the safety of the universes.

>>92862567
>>92862115
If we are using this logic Rogue beats then both

>>92870272
I don't count fan headcanon

>>92871894
There's a difference between 'having access to' and 'being able to output'. Android 18 has access to an unlimited supply of energy.

I recall Carol's maximum absorption rate being tapped out upon trying to absorb a nuclear bomb, and she was left completely drained after blowing up a planet. She has limits to how much she can put out / take in at once
giggedy

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>>92871552
Treating concrete like paper, defeating special forces military teams by himself, able to kill huge dinosaurs, easily defeats mutants like the yoga army guy with sonic screams or the black guy with bulletproof muscles. The only fighter to get him really worried was the 146 year old super kenpo master.

He's beyond most unnaturally strong martial artists from League of Assassins/The Hand. Uh, maybe have him fight Danny?

>>92872050
18 is a robit and shit, can't sap her with evil touch. Also infinite energy.

>>92871247
Saiyans have a longer lifespan than humans and age significantly slower.

>>92871839
Goku can't fake a dive to save his life. Example: Hercule

>>92872022
That wasn't even the issue. Whether or not he held back or not. SSB Goku was still significantly more powerful than those pantless deviants from Universe 10. Not Goku's fault that they were too weak.

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Your move, carolfags.

>>92872137
Danny would get pulverized. Yujiro is at a sort of limbo between street level characters and regular super powered ones.

>>92863974
He's on the Buddhist wheel of karma, having achieved Godhood but become trapped by it, unable to move onto enlightenment.

>>92871436
Goku didnt know that

>>92864197
Holy shit the level of that cucking

Remember Yang vs Tifa?

>>92872838
That one wasn't biased at all.
AT
ALL

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>>92872414
What about Yujiro vs Spider-Man?

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>>92864912
>18's just had enough of this shit already
perfect

>>92872414
Didn't this guy stopped an attack that was going at 1000km/m?

>>92859589
Wtf? This would be a fucking curbstomp in 18's favor. Literal planet buster vs. Carol lmao Death Battle is retarded

>>92872871
They're all biased as shit, while pretending to be objective. That's kinda the issue.

Remember when they said Superman is unbeatable because he represents the concept of being unbeatable or some shit? Meanwhile they cherry picked together all versions of Superman into a perfect version that doesn't exist. In DC I could name a dozen people that could punch out Superman right now, he's not any of the shit they said.

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>>92872966
>Remember when they said Superman is unbeatable because he represents the concept of being unbeatable or some shit?

They summerized the philosophy behind the character. Also:

>Mystic Gohan more powerful than SSJ3 Goku
>Goku turns in SSJB and reasserts his dominance

what a dick

>>92872124
>I recall Carol's maximum absorption rate being tapped out upon trying to absorb a nuclear bomb, and she was left completely drained after blowing up a planet.

those two feats are so different in scope this barely makes sense. I mean maybe it was the intention to only allow her to absorb a tiny fraction of a percent of the amount of damage she can deal but I doubt it

>>92871482

>That was a really good hero speech, too bad Goku doesn't give a damn about any of that.

It was out of character and since Sean was still new to his role it just sounded so god damn corny.

>>92859589
Death Battle. Death Battle always wins.

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>>92862948
You can really tell the loser based on the thumbnail.
Pic related for example; which was so bad they redid it.

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>>92874876
The thumbnail Anon posted of Carol vs 18 isn't official
This will be the thumbnail as shown on Ben's twitter

>>92872887
Spiderman should be able to put up a good fight, provided he's angry and doesn't go for a straight brawl with Yujiro.

>>92872022

If she tops out around nuke level wouldn't that mean a shot that would obliterate a planet would vaporise her?

>Who's going to win?
Probably Carol since DB will probably give bring her up to star level
>Who would you have chosen for a different fight?
Mob vs Tetsuo
Saitama vs Yusuke,Shinobu Sensui, or Nappa
Thanos vs. Darkseid
Shazam vs Sentry
Genos vs Raiden or Cyborg

>>92861475
Power levels within the context of a series are pointless since you can't measure them outside of it. Only relative feats matter, and Goku, despite having become so much stronger is not shown through feats.

>>92874876
That was the slowest "speedster" fight imaginable. No, okay so they could've just sat on barstools across from one another lazily taking shots and shooting at each other the whole time.

>>92868401
>>No Darkseid vs Thanos

>no infinitiy gauntlet
Darkseid stomps

>with infinity gauntlet
Thanos literally cannot lose unless he chooses to

It's too one sided no matter what

>>92863121
>they're going to hand Carol the win by having 18 uncharacteristically spam ki blasts

But isn't that exactly what she did against Super Android 17?

>>92876698
>Isn't that exactly what she did in that non canon series where she didn't even act like herself.

...

>>92876698
GT isn't canon

>>92872395
severely underrated post

>>92876698
That was intentional, IIRC: Super 17's weakness was that he couldn't move while absorbing energy, which gave Goku an opportunity to use Dragon Fist on him

>>92873153
Goku had to go SSJBKK just to knock Ultimate Gohan out. Was also implied that Gohan can use SSJ with his Ultimate form but Gohan refuses to do so.

>>92876698
>GT
Blasphemy! The introduction of SSB already render GT uncanon.

>>92878895
Can you show me where that was implied?

>>92866194
>Megazord lost despite the Power Rangers coming out

What did Saban mean by this?

>>92878985
When Goku asked Gohan why he didn't go SSJ while Gohan was in his Ultimate form. Gohan said he doesn't want to rely on the SSJ and want to discover something different.

>>92878895
>Goku had to go SSJBKK just to knock Ultimate Gohan out.
No he didn't. Gohan literally asked him to go all out.

>>92859589

I want 18 to win, but the tranny looks like she has more upper body strength so you know whateves.

I feel a lot of casual comic fans think heroes are weak because they don't do a lot of wide scale destruction but really a planet died like once an arc in Dragon ball especially the manga. People are just really good with controlling their power level.

>>92875901
I dunno can't superman hurt Darkseid?
Thanos can take Surfer wailing into him and this is the SS who was changing sins and destroying planets

>>92879648
>but really a planet died like once an arc in Dragon ball especially the manga.
Not really. Only about 3 were destroyed in the original manga.

>>92879733
Yeah even less than once an arc. People just know how not to destroy everything.

>>92879473
Ultimate Gohan was fighting SSB Goku to a near standstill while getting a few good hits in. Something with which 17, 18 and Krillin were incapable of doing.

>>92879760
>Ultimate Gohan was fighting SSB Goku to a near standstill
Wrong.
We only saw Gohan get one single punch against SSB before Goku used Kaioken.

>>92879648
Carol in non-Binary state is weak though. A minimum of at least 50 tons and a maximum of 70 tons in non-Binary state. Can absorb the energy equivalent of a nuke max.

>>92879760
When goku went blue Gohan was on more of a defensive than Goku was. Any longer and he would have been over powered.

>>92879806
>Boy, I sure hope they use a low level showing to the exclusion of the time she had the power of a white hole.

You sound like the guys that thought Nu52 Superman would lose because he got bodied by a monster in one panel in one issue.

>>92879794
Gohan got 2 hits in against SSB Goku.

>>92879848
What? Gohan punched Goku in the guts. Goku punched Gohan in the guts. Gohan blocks Goku's punch and then uppercuts Goku. That was hardly on the defensive.

>>92866892
>Kind of hate DBZ
Are you high? Chad loves DBZ. They were so heartbroken over having to give Superman the win over Goku they depicted Goku as the everyman and Superman as an unapproachable distant ideal.

>>92867028
>Implying writers ever care about power level autism

They're writing action adventure stories, not a dungeons and dragons manual. If they have a cool feat for a hero to do they have them do it. DBZ is the exact same.

>>92868040
It was over the moment they allowed Final Crisis into the debate.

>Superman Prime

It's really interesting that they keep wanting to throw (insert whatever the fuck form Goku has now) Goku at vanilla Superman but never bring any of Superman's really powerful forms to play like Strange Visitor Superman or All-Star Superman or Sword of Superman Superman or Pre-Crisis Superman and on and on and on.

>>92879806
>Can absorb the energy equivalent of a nuke max.
Cru removed that limit and made it so absorbing enough energy just makes her go Binary.

Its been said several times after that that Carol could 'eat' the entire sun if she tried

>>92880521
Don't expect them to listen to this fact. DBZ fans will spam "lol she couldn't absorb a nuke wtf" from now to the end of time after Carol kills 18.

>>92873040
That is some genuinely retarded fanfic tier writing by DC.

I knew they were butt mad little fans that hated how more interesting characters were outshining his tired trope but damn that is some serious damage control.

>>92880521
You mean the same Cru that was enhancing Carol while she was inhibiting inside her body but no longer is?

>>92873040
why do people ignore that to summon the 4D thought robot Superman had to fuse with Ultraman and the doomsday machine and its not something he can just pull out of his ass as needed

its like bringing up SSJ4 Gogeta when the scenario is strictly 1v1 Goku vs Havok

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>>92880678
Yeah. while she was inside Carol's body, she made her functionally immortal, but when she left she altered Carol permanently in that way as a 'parting gift'

>>92880628
>More interesting characters

>Ever sense Rebirth DC has been slaughtering Marvel in single sales

>It's even worse if you look at trade sales

What did Anon mean by this?

>>92880731
He had to be broken down into his archetypal substructure by having not-Dr. Manhattan fuse Superman with his shadow self thus creating a Jungian synthesis and releasing the platonic form of Superman into the higher reality that happens to be shaped in the form of Superman because Dax Novu was a fan.

So yeah, its not something he can just -do-.