>That time Lauren Faust made a joke about SU on that "gamechangers"

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>ywn never be a shy and timid jewess who get humiliated by a ginger goddess

>>92839599
*gets

>>92839599
>*gets

>>92838998
What was the joke

>>92838998
You can't post that without context, boy.
I wanna know the joke.

>>92839657
>>92839624

What was the joke? I wanna hear it

>>92838998
Post a link faggot

>>92838998
So alpha that her show got cucked away from her after one season

>>92838998
So what's the joke? It was about the crying or the horsefuckers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKEfQGoviQQ
I think its in this one. Not sure what time.

>>92840518
>>92839667
>>92839661
>believing OP

>>92840962

>implying i'm going to watch a 50 minute long panel just for that

>>92840865
And she's still crying about it

>>92841180
>implying thats not what I'm doing right now, for the timestamp and general intrest.

>>92840865
it wasn't her fault

hasbro wanted their toys back after she made them extremely successful.

>>92841180
IIRC the only comment she made was that SBBF got cancelled because the execs said that "they already had a girl's cartoon in SU" and Rebecca got flustered.

>>92841254
>>92841434
happens at 34:48

>>92841434
ironically SU is a boys cartoons

>>92840962
>Bancroft Brothers
I FUCKING LOVE THEM!

I was at this panel, the entire room reacted to this, everyone was like "oh shit", because Rebecca took it really personally

>>92842759
>a boys cartoons

>>92843064
Did she? I'm pretty sure Rebecca's just really shy and introverted.

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>>92840962
>Rebecca - B-BUT STEVEN U-UNIVERSE I-INTERNALLY....I....ITS A BOYS SHOW! T-The viewers.....
>Lauren - Yeah same with Powerpuff, same with Pone....I don't get it!

Love mom

>>92840865
>her show
>her
I didn't know Galaxy Girls aired.

>>92842759
>SU is a boys cartoon
Powerpuff Girls is more of a boys cartoon than SU

>>92843122
Sugar internally felt her ego get annihilated, if she weren't shy and introverted she prolly could've handle the bantz and retorted with a clever one liner like Whedon or Kevin Smith.

God Bless the Queen, Lauren Faust.

>>92842759
>Sugar: Internally Steven Universe is a boy's cartoon
Nice retort to Faust's snark, faggot.

>>92843497
The problem is that Faust was speaking the whole truth despite using it as a joke. Steven Universe can't possibly be a boys show because it isn't promoting good boyish qualities and it lacks actually good looking female characters for boys to latch onto. These are things that Faust's shows have done immensely despite being shows oriented towards little girls.

>>92843367
r e k t

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>>92838998
Damn shame Faust isn't an attention whore who doesn't show off her tits on twitter or instagram.

Can anyone point me to times when Rebecca crosses her legs around?

>>92843845
>lacks actual good looking female characters

I object.

>>92844028
Who then?

The only one passable is Lapis.

>>92838998
Nah, Sugar is just super fucking beta.

>>92843064
Good.

>>92843845
>it lacks actually good looking female characters for boys to latch onto
>things that Faust's shows have done immensely despite being shows oriented towards little girls.
Spot the horsefucker.

>>92843367
What time.

>>92843367
Just feeling the air change in that room.

>this is why you live in regret, Lauren

worth

>>92844028
your muscular nigress/fat blob/skinny jew fetish doesn't count. it's very obvious the execs are referring to status quo beauty

>>92844244
See>>92842105
>>92844372
To be fair, MLP was originally going to feature more prominently different body types, but one can imagine it would never be as gross looking of a show as SU either way, hell MLP still features chubby pones and such just none of the MCs

>>92844458
Rebecca clearly loves the grotesque. I bet she has a melting flesh fetish.

Sugar is not a very handsome man

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>>92844511
He is average, prettier than his sister though.

>>92844458
MLP as a phenomena is an oddity. It's like years of subconscious furry fetish fed to late 90s/early 2000s kids through things such as Pokemon and Sonic finally exploded. It's the social conditions behind it that made it so popular, because otherwise it would be a meh show for any cartoon fan

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>>92840962

>that expression

What is his fucking problem?

>>92843497
It wasn't her ego, Rebecca Sugar is a part of the generation that watched shows like PPG and Foster's Home, she probably felt like she robbed someone she probably really admires a lot of an opportunity

>>92838998
That night Ian was forced to wear a red wig

>>92844586
Doing press is the worst part of being a creative.

>>92841180
>imlying you won't

>>92844572
I think a thread we had a few weeks ago had it right: It took the Moeshit formula from the East and made it palatable to non-Anime fans, and threw in Furrybait.

Faust seems kind of jealous, really. SBF aired in what? 2011? 2012? Steven Universe wasn't on until late 2013 and didn't have a fanbase until early 2015 so "Steven Universe is a girls show" is not the reason why her show didn't get picked up.

>>92844564
I hear that he emotionally abuses his girlfriends.

>>92844742
>and threw in Furrybait
Highly doubt that was the intention. First season is just really cute and clever.

>>92843640
>Internally Steven Universe is a boy's cartoon
>>92843367
>B-BUT STEVEN U-UNIVERSE I-INTERNALLY....I....ITS A BOYS SHOW!

The show is so tumblr that it's trans-genre.

>>92844815
>I hear that he emotionally abuses his girlfriends.
Do you think he has a crying fetish like his sister?

>>92844742
Or as one commenter said when they first subbed the show, "furry moe is the main stream abroad huh?"

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>>92844586
He just looks like that all the time.

>>92840962

Faust look quite aggressive with sugar.

Probably jealous of all that liberty that sugar have with her show

>>92844742
I think FiM is much less insipid than most moeshit, if only because the weird guys who watch it are a tertiary demographic who were drawn in by its charm instead of the intended primary audience.

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>>92844815
>Steven Universe wasn't on until late 2013
Shows are usually signed onto the network years before they air, Season 5 of Samurai Jack for example got announced in 2014 but didn't air until 2017 so it got contracted and green lit months before then
For SU, the pilot was aired in May of 2013, and most likely had contracts and work started in 2012, which is the year DC Nation was running it's block

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>>92840962
That's an awkward line up. I wonder how they managed to keep Alex Hirsch from autistically screeching at Hartman for being a Drumpf voter? Guess he is all talk, or should I say, all tweet?

>>92844572
>MLP as a phenomena is an oddity. It's like years of subconscious furry fetish fed to late 90s/early 2000s kids through things such as Pokemon and Sonic finally exploded. It's the social conditions behind it that made it so popular, because otherwise it would be a meh show for any cartoon fan

Eh I think you have a small point there, the whole "talking animal" part of it had an audience primed for that kind of thing but you're seriously discounting a lot of other things that made it popular, I for one was never a furry

For one thing, it actually was a good show...I know it's a meme to say otherwise, or say it isn't anymore (I think it still is) but strictly talking about the early days, it was a good show...it had good self aware humor that wasn't really seen in kids shows at the time with most of it being strictly slapstick or gross out leftovers, lore and heavy story driven elements combined with SoL which once again, not usually a thing in kids shows of the time, and it brought back a couple forgotten things.....one being the musical cartoon, with music that actually had effort put into it, and the idea of fantasy cartoons not being plated strictly as some kind of parody

Combine that with the shock factor that "wow, you mean a girl branded show can be not cookie cutter bullsit?!?!?!!?" and all of these things had to do with the success of MLP: FIM, it wasn't strictly furries anon, in fact I'm pretty sure the show itself is what turned a lot of people into them

In any case, whether you like it or not, to deny it's influence or shrug it off as some fluke is pretty dumb and just makes it seem like you're an anti-brony, MLP FIM has every bit as much to do with the current eras trend of "whimsical/magical/fantasy" themed girly leaning shows as Adventure Time, IMO those two shows are the only reason we have half the shows we do now

>>92844918
well it was at first

>always quit with the minimum conflict
>never create something original
>no one take her ideas to make an original show

Faust need to know her place right now. Sugar literally create by itself a fucking original cartoon, not a rehash/re-skin of some old franchise

>>92844564
>that face
WHAT ARE We gonna do now?

>>92844963
>Hartman for being a Drumpf voter
I thought in showbiz you're either for Democrats all the way, or never hired.

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>>92842759

I don't know a single straight guy that likes the cartoon in real life. Not even shitposting, everyone I know who likes the show is a woman, a gay dude or a tranny. If it's a boy's cartoon, it should probably have less singing and dancing and more Dolph Lundgren.

>>92844947
>
DC Nation was in development as early as 2011. So it beats SU by a year.

>>92844963
because your assuming Hartman is pro-Trump when really he is just smart enough not to be open or preachy with his political views

although honestly Seth McFarlane is a good friend of his, and Seth doesn't strike me as a person who can stand being friends with people who hold different political views

>>92845123
You can get away with it if you hide your politics until you have some pull. If you just start dipping your toes into it while wearing a MAGA hat you're fucked, but if you pull out the hat after several years of working with people that's not really anything they can do because the entertainment industry is a highly inbred echo chamber. Everyone knows each other, everyone needs each other.

>>92845173
It was after the shorts started airing that she tried to push for CN to make it into a full show but they said no since "SU was their one girl show"

>>92842759
I honestly consider SU an anti-shounen. At face value it looks like a shounen series (unique kid with special powers, a harem of female characters surrounding him). But Steven has no fighting spirit in him, nor are their any character that could be his rival, on top of that the color palette of the show is soft and to be blunt, girly.

>>92845126
Well, now that is just unfair, there's very few things in life that wouldn't be improved by the addition of Dolph Lundgren.

>>92845126
Counterpoint: G.I. Joe had singing and zero Dolph Lundgrens and is the manliest show ever.

https://youtu.be/1qlN4x-CMyc

>>92845226
I would pick up SU in a second and never let go if it had Dolph as one of the gems.

>>92845217
It also pushes the feminine idea that no one is really evil, just misunderstood, and that talking things out is always preferable to using force.

The characters are ostensibly in a war but the conflict comes across as more high school drama than an actual war.

>>92845126
I was gonna say replace "less singing and dancing" with "less crying", but then I remembered shonen like Naruto and One Piece.

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>>92844975
couldn't have said it better

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>>92845226

Any action star would do. But seriously, if Rebecca Sugar legitimately thinks she's targeting anything close to the average boy, she's doing a pretty piss-poor job of it. "Girl's cartoon" is my first thought no matter how you slice it.

>>92845253
Where did you get the idea that the conflict is that soft? Also, there isn't a war, the whole point of many of the protagonists' actions is to avoid one since they stand 0 chance against any serious force from Homeworld. Hell, even them sending scouts got them in really murky waters several times.

>>92845272
>less crying

Nigga everyone cries in Shonen. Look at Fist of the North Star. The thing is those characters are crying over masculine themes like self-sacrifice, loyalty, brotherhood, endurance, and courage. In SU they're crying because of relationship drama bullshit.

>>92845253
>evil being subjective is a feminine idea
Since when?

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>>92845250
>"I must shatter you"

>>92845308
Fucking this.

Manly tears are something to be honoured and looked up to. Crying over spilt milk is just pathetic for anyone to do.

>>92845272

Kenshiro cries. Amuro Ray cries. Peter Parker cries. So long as you maim people/kill zeek scum/get people killed on accident then you're fine.

>>92845246

GI Joe also had Sgt. Slaughter though. Steven Universe is virtually devoid of testosterone.

>>92845316
Post-modern relativism has been a huge play in the feminist handbook for years. It's why they can support Islam but hate White Males. There's no "good" or "evil" just oppressor and oppressed. Those with power are wrong and bad and those fighting those with power are good and correct.

>>92845308
>Hokuto no Ken
MANLY tears don't count as crying, anon. They get a pass.
In more recent shonen, it just feels forced. "Look at my tragic backstory" "Oh yeah? Look at my MORE tragic backstory and cry harder!"

>>92845306
>Also, there isn't a war, the whole point of many of the protagonists' actions is to avoid one since they stand 0 chance against any serious force from Homeworld.

Which is kinda anti-shounen. The majority of "rescue X" arcs involves going suicidal missions against powerful enemies to get their friend back, hell gurren lagann had a small army take on the most powerful entity in the universe.

>>92845350
you do realize one of the most important figures in moral relativism is Nietzsche right? A massive sexist

You can claim that all feminists believe in moral relativism but I don't see how that argument translates into all moral relativists are feminist

I think you might wanna go back to some basic fucking logic before you try to make random claims again

>>92845356
>>92845333
>>92845341

>Tears in Fist of the North Star

The guy that's fought by your side has hours to live and is trying to fight on until his last moments.

You know in your heart your brother who you're fighting would have you dead to rights but radiation sickness is letting you win anyway because the universe has no honor. You embrace him one last time as your brother before permitting him to live out what time he has left in peace.

>Stephen Universe

BWAHHHH PINK DIAMOND BWAHHHHH ROSE QUARTZ

>>92844572
its got that waifu factor and thats the only reason its popular, but your right you need that early furry preconditioning in order for that to work in the context of a show about horses

Steven Universe is only a "boys show" in a post MLP FIM world

>>92845448
>Nietzsche
>Moral relativist

Only in a very constrained view of his work. His belief in virtue ethics was a major split between his work and the works of earlier philosophers like Heigel. What was good allowed a flourishing of higher men. What was bad constrained them. How did you get this wrong?

>All moral relativists are feminists

Read what they're teaching on campuses. They're teaching that there is no good or evil only subjective opinions.

Jimmy Spookems pilot when

>>92845306
>Where did you get the idea that the conflict is that soft?
>Many of the protag's actions are to avoid war

You just answered yourself.

>Stand 0 chance against any serious force
Masculine heroes routinely stand up against overwhelming odds.

The show isn't about a guerilla war against Homeworld. It's not even about political maneuvering with Homeworld. That would make it a masculine show. It's about relationship drama wrapped in a thin veneer of some Star Wars esque conflict. The characters hang out and live a pretty lackadaisical existence with the bad guys being comedically inept. The only real threat is the threat of emotional damage and having the people in your circle of friends judge you for things you may or may not have done.

At its heart the show has as much to do about war as Degrassi.

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>>92845627
So youre saying Steven universe in an inverted stardust memory from zeons perspective? On paper that could be cool.
Shame about the execution

>>92845540
>They're teaching that there is no good or evil only subjective opinions.
And this proves they are all feminist how again?

Also I think you completely missed the point that Nietzsche was putting forward his moral system, that he believed was the best one for an ideal society, he didn't claim that there was something inherent about the morality of actions, he just thought people would be better off viewing good and evil or good and bad in a different way than they currently did, not that any of the actions were more good or bad than any others inherently, it was a subjective idea about how morals influence society and how a better moral system can be made, such a thing is only conceivable as a relativist, where the only point of moral becomes how they aid and structure society

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>>92845728
Actually when i think about it, steven is just a really bad loranz from turn a.

>>92844975
>mlp
>good show

It's a passable show that happened to do just enough right to get a gigantic peripheral audience of autistic jaded adults interested in girl's cartoons and the r34 thereof. The only reason it seemed good is because it found company among the worst cartoons of this generation with only the tired corpse of Spongebob getting any work done. So when it showed up, people rejoiced that the fucking basics of animation weren't abandoned and people that still had talent were making these shows again. That's pure luck; a fluke.

There's plenty on the air now that far exceeds MLP in terms of quality, and plenty that doesn't just the same, but to call it a good show is an insult to good shows with its rushed moral endings and oversweetened plots with predictable outcomes.

>plot
>comes
There, not you can go fuck off back to your containment board and fap or clop or whatever you do when you're not defending that middling lucky bastard of a 21 minute girl's toy commercial.

>>92838998
>female
>this

>>92845732
>He didn't claim that there was something inherent about the morality of actions.

Bullshit. Read what we wrote about gift-giving. It's at the end of part one of Zarathustra, you couldn't you missed it.

>Not that any of the actions were more good or bad than any others

Rubbish. He explicitly attacks the inherent nihilism and self-destructive self-denial of Christianity. To Nietzsche there was a wrong and there was a right. Why else would he have argued that a paganized Europe would have been better off than a Christianized Europe in Genealogy of Morality?

>And this proves they are all feminist how again?

Because the gender studies classes have been teaching moral relativism ever sense Derida became the darling of academia and argued that the west was "phalogo-centric". Have you been asleep these past decades?

>>92845806
>There's plenty on the air now that far exceeds MLP in terms of quality, and plenty that doesn't just the same
No there isn't, and if you have the balls to name said shows I'll be happy to tell you why you're wrong, Sugar.

Oh, and no I'm not going to reply if you name a bunch of action shows or adult comedy shows, because that's fucking retarded and you don't even belong in this thread if that's the case.

>>92844028
Garbage taste

>>92845627
>Masculine story

The threat is physical and ideological. Conflict tends to be whether or not one has the necessary power or intellect to overcome the threat. The goal is to refine the self into the "true self" capable of overcoming the threat.

>Feminine story

The threat is emotional and relationship based. Conflict tends to be about how one is viewed by the threat.


Steven Universe is girly down to its panties.

>>92844028
You're not a boy, but a grown ass man who is so desperate for pussy game that you have lowered your standards significantly. Of course you would object at the thought that others are not sexually attracted to the shit girls in Steven Universe like you are.

>>92845806
Calm down Lee

>>92840962
I dislike every single person on that pannel

>>92845627
Being threatened by such an oppressively superior force that you can take no other action than to avoid direct conflict doesn't really sound soft to me.

I'm not getting what you're trying to say with the no war thing, that's exactly what I was arguing. I wasn't saying that they were having a guerilla war, they're just not having any. If Homeworld decided to just leave Earth alone for all eternity they'd honestly be fine with it. Any conflict is in direct opposition to their interests. But that doesn't make the show just about relationship drama, because Homeworld does have a (small) interest in Earth, and they're definitely a threat when they show up. And precisely because the characters live such lackadaisical lives is why there is a conflict there - can't have that carefree life when hostiles start showing up.

So yeah, I agree that there's no war but I disagree that Homeworld forms no threat.

>>92846043
Even McCracken?

>>92844028
Tall lanky girl
Short Chubby girl
Big masculine black girl
You can think whatever you want but those characters were designed to be anything but attractive
Protective bullshit is kind of the theme of the show

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>>92843977
Why do you want that anon

>>92845917
yeah, Nietzsche argues about what is right and wrong from his point of view, this is entirely different from believing there is inherent morality, which is the basic essence of moral relativism, refuting the idea there is an inherent morality, Nietzsche is defining a moral system and defending it, this is basically the primary thing you do as a Moral Relativist Philosopher

Also I feel like you are just not getting my point, You claim that SU teaches moral relativism and that therefore makes it feminist, I ask how being morally relativist makes it feminist and you claim that all feminists are moral relativists, I don't necessarily agree with that statement but even assuming it is true doesn't make your earlier point valid. All feminists are moral relativists doesn't mean all moral relativists are feminists. A therefore B isn't the same thing as B therefore A. Do you not understand the logical flaw in what you have been claiming?

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>you will never commit cartoon television executive genocide and place business smart artists in charge

>>92846027
Right, because there's been no physical threats so far at all. Not all of the main cast getting abducted, not the planet-destroying monstrosity, not the kaiju-esque fusion whose one component was able to fuck with the whole ocean, not the villains who just episodes ago just up and took some characters with them to abduct and made light work of any offered resistance.

I get that SU is mostly about the relationship stuff but to say that there's no physical conflict is ridiculous.

>>92844902
>all that liberty sugar have with her show
You mean letting the storyboarders and other writers step all over her, to the point that the show's overall quality on multiple facets suffers because of it?

>>92845253
Nobody is evil though, people just do things based on their ideals and values. People like Aku and Palpatine don't even exist outside of VERY very rare cases.

I do agree that the whole "just misunderstood" angle is played up far too much, though. They could easily say "agree to disagree" and just let both parties do their thing.

>>92844572
It was just moe packaged to look like anything but Moe
Obviously all the cartoon watching manchikdren who thought too highly of themselves to watch anime ended up falling in love with it for the same reasons any a watched your average slice of Life girl anime

>>92846196
There's also relationship drama in masculine stories, but its a matter of proportion and scale.

There are (((((((threats))))))))) in SU but its not like the threats in something like Star Trek or Star Wars or superhero comics.

>>92843497
I don't understand how Whedon cant bant when he's such a cu.ck in all other aspects of life.

>>92846268
>People just do things based on their ideals and values

And some ideals and values are evil. Like the kind that bomb pop star concerts.

>>92846268
I also agree. No one is actually evil just because they are "evil", they are just doing what they believe is good

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>>92845023
>Steven Universe
>Original

>>92844458

Well as long ass all the "chubbyness" went to the flanks I see no problem.

Butch really stands out among them, he looks like the only one who grew out of their childhood.

>>92846290
Right, so you agree with me. I was just shooting down your claim that SU was 'girly down to its panties', which it is not. On the action/emotion scale it falls just a few inches closer to the emotional side of things than (typical) Magical Girl shows do.

>>92845306
A force that's never seen nor felt

>>92844815
>I hear that he emotionally abuses his girlfriends.
I don't know much about Steven, but I assumed you meant Matt Burnett just because of the way that guy acts on Twitter.

>>92845217
Even the CN executives see Steven Universe is a girls show, why would Sugar say that it's a boys cartoon when it clearly has little to no active qualities showing it is.

>>92846027
It's both. One one side of the main plot is Steven's story with his mother, how others see her and how he sees her, and his story with helping others see the better sides of life and themselves.

On the other side, there's the very physical threat of Homeworld and Steven has to develop to be strong enough to lead and protect his planet, and possibly do something about Homeworld itself

>>92843367
Look at Phil processing the idea of SU being a boy's show when she says that.

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>>92844586

>>92844586
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3wQj-xAJ9s

>>92846179
Nietzsche was wrong
If you look at every culture that ever achieved a stable civilization they all preached the same values one way or another be it by religion philosophy of even theater
That's no coincidence, there is clearly an inherent human morality and when humans achieve prosperity then they are free to practice it

>>92846326
in your view, those people are evil

within their own views they aren't evil the people they attack are

what makes your worldview more valid than theirs? Its also very easy to try to over simplify the argument by pointing to extremist groups that many would question the mental stability of, try something a little more difficult to condemn than murdering children.

>>92846568
Change "hope" to "sleep".

>>92846403
He really does
It's quite sad actually, butch strikes me as the kind of guy who always liked drawing and came up with a cool pitch or two for a show while everyone else obviously grew up obsessed with cartoon characters taking part in online fandoms and discussion with sugar being the absolute worst

>>92842759
boys(vagina) cartoon.

>>92846568
Cut your fucking hair
I can't believe every time I see this guy show up anywhere he has the same messy hair, it doesn't matter if it's a clip from a decade ago

>>92846672
Oh yeah, look at all those kids having fun in an enclosed space. Jackasses.

That's actually a heap of bullcrap. There are inherently evil people, and some of them know they're evil. They just either don't care or enjoy the idea.

>>92845272
Steven Universe they have at least 2/3rds of episodes aired so far where somebody is crying. Naruto and One Piece don't even have 1/9th of their episodes where people are crying, and even then when they do get it's because something real fucking serious happened like the Hokage died or they feel boxed into an unwinnable situation with no way out. Steven has cried over an ice cream company going out of business, not being allowed to go on adventures, and being a fucking pussy in general. When it finally came time for him to cry over something serious happening in his life, it didn't have the impact it was intended to have, it was just another Steven Cries episode for most of us.

>>92846608
>natural law theory
See there are two problems with this idea, first you claim a lot but I doubt you could actually get good evidence to prove it.

Second, it doesn't actually matter if you could prove it because natural =/= good. Even if humans did have a natural moral code that they gravitate toward that says nothing about whether or not that system is good and whether or not it could be improved upon or not

What's with /co/'s crush on Hartman? Is it really just that he seems slightly more conservative than most modern cartoonists?

He seems like an alright guy but I see no reason that some people are big fans of him, especially since FOP got boring a decade ago.

Little Witch Academia is way manlier than SU.

>>92846745
It's amazing, it stays the same, maybe he's an imaginary friend or something.

>>92846901
LWA is targeted to manchildren in their 20s

>>92846768
>Steven has cried over an ice cream company going out of business
Sounds like a Homer Simpson thing to be fair

>>92846290
Some of Star Trek's best episodes have almost no actual, physical threat.

>>92843491
They cry less than he does too

>>92846939
They just have Steven resurrection powers, cause he wasn't enough of a Mary Sue already, and he does it by crying

Sugar legitimently has a crying fetish

>>92844975
I'd hardly call Adventure Time a girly leaning show, does have a lot of female characters but the focus has always been on the bromance between Finn and Jake so if anything it's a very neutral show concerning genders.

SU seems a lot more impactful in this sense even if it was a few years later. There's only like two important male characters out of 20 or so in the show.

>>92846978
>his tears have resurrection powers
So like Chuck Norris, only a sissy

>>92845341
>Steven Universe is virtually devoid of testosterone.
This is the thing most people seem to glance over. There's no positive male role models for Steven to model himself off of. His dad is a fat loser who allows the CGs to raise his son, his bully looks like a fuckhead and has poor relationships with other people, and the rest are so insignificant that they aren't worth mentioning. The only ones left for Steven to look up to are the needlenosed ballerina that thinks she knows what's best for Steven, a fat layabout who constantly shirks responsibilities, and the tall semi-mute log legs that has relied on Steven for her growth more than the other way around.

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>>92839599
Dubs are truth

>>92846999
SU wouldn't be a thing if MLP and AT didn't get cult audiences

>>92847013
All his powers come from his emotion. He doesn't train with them other than sword fighting with his human friend and evem then he was too emotional to fight with her in the last episode
The kid has memetal problems

>>92847036
It explains why he grew up hyper emotional and hasn't aged the last seven fucking years

>>92847083
True but that's kind of saying that the thing responsible for the big influential thing is the actual influential thing itself. Like saying Flapjack is responsible for Adventure Time being a thing or something. I get it but it seems like it's misplacing the credit too much.

>>92846030
Damn that was a blow out, he didn't even respond
>>92846672
I see you have been gripped by post modernistic subjectism

>>92847138
>True but that's kind of saying that the thing responsible for the big influential thing is the actual influential thing itself.
No...it's saying the big influential things are responsible for influencing the newer thing, which hasn't influenced jack shit yet

MLP is on season 7, has four spin off movies two of which were released in indie theaters, and a major theatrical release coming out this year with an 8th season confirmed, a long running comic book, multiple toy lines, multiple long running fan conventions, and no signs of stopping any time soon

Now I'm not saying you have to like MLP more than SU or that MLP is the greatest thing since sliced bread but, you seem kind of delusional if you think Steven Universe is the bigger show or has had a bigger influence on things than MLP has, or AT for that matter

>>92844605
>she probably felt like she robbed someone she probably really admires a lot of an opportunity
Because she did

>>92846704
god damn anon

>>92847341
SU pushes some merch at Hot Topic and that's…pretty much it.

>>92846672
>What makes your worldview more valid than theirs?

Basing my worldview on facts and evidence instead of ancient fairy tales and not wanting to kill children at a pop concert makes my worldview superior.

>It's easy to oversimplify the argument by pointing to extremist groups

You said there is not objective moral standard. I said there is. Killing innocent children at a pop concert is evil and should be condemned as evil.

>>92846820
>Natural Law theory
>Societies with Western values have flourished, discovered more about how the universe works than any other, have totally dominated all other cultures
>Societies without Western values have either been forced to adopt Western values, ruined their country and people, or are inbred to the point of absurdity (mid-east)

But naw man all culture are equal ITS JUST LIKE YOUR OPINION MAN ITS CURRENT YEAR WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE

Tap out you barista-intellectual. Tap out and say "The West is the Best".

>>92846945
Those feature an ideological, intellectual threat. See >>92846027

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>>92838998
>>92840962
>Lauren's flirtatious teasing
>the way Sugar starts to get nervous and awkward

Isn't Lauren Faust pretty tall too? She would dom the absolute fuck out of Rebecca. I can see her bullying the little jew boy in bed and Rebecca would be too nervous and turned on to even respond properly. Lauren would throw her seniority around saying how she's more "experienced" and Sugar could learn a thing or two. The when Sugar's on the brink of tears from ecstasy and anxiety Lauren would crack a joke about crying in SU before finally allowing her to cum.

>>92847543
>Tfw you remember that Sugar is bi
This could happen guys

>>92845212
From an insider, sbff was pitched right before su was picked up. CN and WB animation have a very toxic relationship.

>>92847708
Do you think Sucrose touched herself to the thought of Lauren that night? Faust is a looker and she's everyone's type

>>92847487
>Basing my worldview on facts and evidence instead of ancient fairy tales and not wanting to kill children at a pop concert makes my worldview superior.
You believe in fairy tales if you don't believe the US government hasn't killed millions of children over the years

But, it didn't happen at a pop concert so someone like you wouldn't care. Next.

>>92847914
>talking about the US when the bombing happened in Britain
So I guess those Swedes totally deserved to get run over by a truck in Stockholm because America bombed some shithole in Pakistan same with all those people in France. Oh and all those rapes in Germany too.

Go fuck yourself.

>>92847914
>The US government bombed mid-east hellhole in the mistaken belief that there was a good faction that would rise up to seal the power vacuum like with Japan and Germany

>This makes it ok for Akmed to murder children in Europe

This is your brain on moral relativism.

>>92847914
>Literally defending and justifying terrorists

Go prep your bull.

>>92846502

She claims in the video that they internally refer to it as a "boys show", which is absurd. Outside of the toxic as fuck Tumblr fanbase or here, I never hear about anyone talking about it and if it is a boys show, then the episode structure is crap.

>emotional turmoil
>resolve with a song or talking it out

kek trust all the pseudo-intellectual first year wannabe philosophers to be in an SU thread

>>92840962
>>92841180

The correct time is 35:18

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>>92840962
>>92843367
>androgynous-dressing little jew girl gets flustered when her creation is referred to as girlish, claims it's internally a boy
wait a minute......

>>92843367
>>92848223

She says that Internally, CN refers to it as a boys show.

>>92847950
I'm not a nationalist, I really don't care about whatever narrative you choose, you flag waving dipshit.
>>92847995
The point was more along the lines of nobody is innocent, and if you think your government is, you are an idiot.
>>92848081
Once again not a nationalist, I don't believe in "terrorism" in terms of the publicly accepted definition, which is likely what a rube like you is referencing, I believe in people doing horrible things, nothing more nothing less.

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>>92848306

>>92848306
>I'm not a nationalist, I really don't care about whatever narrative you choose, you flag waving dipshit.
Are you a fucking idiot? Don't answer because it's obvious.

You're saying that it's okay for a EUROPEAN country to suffer because of the mistakes that AMERICA made. The amount of bullshit coming out of your mouth and loopdeloops your brain makes to come to these conclusions is staggering.

>>92848306
Faggotkun you could just quietly drop out of this argument and we'd forget all about you and the retarded thing you said. No need to try to save face here.

>>92845188
McFarlane is friends with Limbaugh and Trump himself.

>>92846403
Damn you are right.

>>92848361
I'm saying I'm using America as an example, because I know about America. I don't know or care about whatever country you're from but I'm sure your government has done awful shit to people as well, but you don't care about it because a life lost only matters if it fits your narrative of "us vs them", in which case you deserve no sympathy

>>92848306
This is what a nu-male is. So spineless and so cowardly he can't even call murdering children evil without couching it in qualifiers and reassurances that Western culture is just as bad as Islam

>>92848616
>All countries have done evil
>Therefore all countries and values are equal

Let me guess, you support funneling more (((((refugees))))) into Europe, right?

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>>92848699
I'm an American, frankly I don't give a damn about Europe and won't unless I for some odd reason ever decide to move there.
>>92848640
No, murdering children is evil...you can't quote me denying that. However I'm calling you an insincere moron for masquerading your nationalism as a sense of empathy. You don't care if children die, you don't have the heart for that, you care about pushing whatever agenda your country tells you to push.

I live in Detroit, children die every day, doubt you care about them because it didn't happen at a pop concert and didn't make national news, you're a phony.

>>92842759
>>92843367
>Steven universe
>A boys show

Kek

>>92846027
SU is about a gazillion things and ties physical conflict to underlying emotional conflict.
It is much like a typical revenge/legacy story in that regard. But it does not allow characters to just kill each other over an underlying conflict like your samurai drama. Instead, Steven tries to break the wheel constantly. He has no hatred for his mother's enemies, nor does he validate their aggression. And the present arc is all about him sacrificing himself to save others. But he comes back and heals the dead now. Which is a story about a dude you may recognise.

>>92844975
mlp made Star Vs. possible

>>92849114
>Which is a story about a dude you may recognise.
Edgar Alan Poe!

>>92844975
Everything in this post is true. Anyone who disagrees is on the same level of autism as Barneyfag.

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>>92842759
I mean, not even thinking much about it, it really is. People can (ironically) cry about how it's SJW, gay, or too PC, but all in all it's a show centered around a boy stuck in a magical predicament, and it's his job to unfuck everything that everyone else somehow keeps fucking even worse.
That "being in touch with your emotions", "being accepting of others", singing, dancing, and etc have to be aspects of a "girl show" is kind of an issue rather than a critic.

>>92849191
this

MLPFIM proved that male audiences aren't alienated by casts with a female lead, at least not anymore.

>>92848906
>Saying terrorism is bad is just pushing an agenda
>Saying terrorism is bad makes you an empathy-lacking nationalist
Jesus christ what kind of thread have i wandered into?

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>>92840962
>Rebecca is going commando
>mfw

She's got some fine legs too

>>92849421
It isn't related to cartoons or comics so don't worry about it. It isn't wholesome and this is a wholesome board for wholesome boys and girls. Stay positive.

>>92848081
How was anon defending justifying terrorism? I think you need to reread what they said.

>>92848306
>I'm not a nationalist
You seem to use that as a way to absolve yourself and turn a blind eye to all the horrible things that happen in the world.

>>92843367
Isn't that referring to the idea that CN categorises it as a boys show?

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>>92840962
>Lauren's sweaty pits

>>92843367
top fucking kek.

>>92840865
So alpha it took her two times to make one kid

>>92849318
I just want to watch my fucking show in peace without having some armchair media critic or "pop culture hacker" launching in a tirade about Eastern animes influence or debate about toxic masculinity/feminism/delete where not applicable,they all are in my opinion desu

>>92849191
I'd say so, and I like Star Vs, but it clearly gets the "shipping is a good replacement for stories" thing from Adventure Time, MLP hasn't really had to do that on a large scale fortunately

>>92847487
Except China was the greatest power on Earth for the longest time, forcing their culture even onto invaders and conquerors.
We may live in a comparatively short period that has China not dominant for a while. And it may be ending now.

>>92851485
>>92851485
>China will rise again
>China strong!

The PRC can't even stop its infighting and keep its citizens from dying from smog inhalation. What the hell makes you think they'll ever be the dominant power in the world again?

>>92851485
>And it may be ending now.
China is collapsing in on itself and has been for a long time. They've been black bagging anyone who points out bulldozing their farmlands for buildings no one will ever use is a shortsighted economic plan. You're basically putting all your eggs in one immmigration basket and throwing the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to exports.

On top of that, production markets are going up in price. Workers are demanding rights and getting them which is driving prices up across the board and making us manufacturers out to india and other third world countries, which in themselves are also getting more rights so the immmigrants were a plan to destabilize these areas to make cheap labor work. Except nothing is working and their economy is barely puttering along.


Alll of China's biggest business men are running to canada where the econoomy won't implode taking a life time of work with it with the burgeons


China is fucked, Mexico is fucked, pretty much anyopne who depends on the us is fucked, only safe places are fucking israel and russia.

>>92846268
>People like Aku and Palpatine don't even exist outside of VERY very rare cases.
in Africa right now there are dozens of warlords who would rape your sister in front of you because they think it would be funny

you sound very sheltered and naive

>>92851597
History tends to repeat itself. It's how history usual goes, the last couple were weird since it broke the cycle.

>>92849456
I bet she smells a bit musty too

>>92852629
You're disgusting.

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>>92840962
Faust os the only one who see "girl" and "boy" show. She's just a dumb feminist who judge cartoon on the amount of female characters that gets the focus. Or how much the cartoon pass the Bachdel test. Her DC Girls Squad cartoon is going to be a failure because she will completely disregard any male character.

>>92843395
Kek

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she is the only one that know what makes a show to be for boys or girls

doesn't go the sjw rute like rebecca

trigger the shit out of that little jew feminist

is she our gal or not ?

>>92852970
>Faust os the only one who see "girl" and "boy" show. She's just a dumb feminist

those things are contradictory my friend

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>>92852079
>the last couple were weird since it broke the cycle.
Meh.

>>92845448
Liberals don't know who they pick their drivel from. News at 11. Marx was a homophobe, and yet liberals and LGBTs are in general hardcore leftists.

That anon was right. The idea that no one ever is evil (except apparently a guy that flirts with a transgirl) is a recurring theme in SU and most tumblr fanverses. That's why everyone gets a tragic backstory they can whine about in one scene, get forgiven in the next and then get character lobotomy. Look at Peridot and Lapis.

>>92845126
I was gonna say you're wrong, but then I realized that it's like that for me too. I only know gays and women who like Steven Universe.

Well, I mean, there's my little cousin too. Hmm.

>>92853885
Come on now...
I may be a fan, but she wanted people to watch that Ghostbusters reboot, despite everything. She's feminist as fuck.

>>92843367
Lmao, that was funny.

>>92849460
Still off-topic,smartass
>>/pol/

>>92855111
Wasn't she the one who wrote that feminazi episode of the original PPG?

>>92849318
>MLPFIM proved that male audiences aren't alienated by casts with a female lead, at least not anymore.
It's kind of sad that MLP had to reset the groundwork that Kim Possible, Teenage Robot, Daria, Wild Thornberries, and Powerpuff Girls already set.

And I'm only naming wildly popular cartoons. Because there's a lot more than that: Pepper Ann, Atomic Betty, Juniper Lee, Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi if you think that show still holds up.

I'm sure despite Star Vs success, too, the groundwork is again going to have to be reset in like five years.

>>92856335
MLP is very different than those shows

>>92856335
Men flock to female casts. Women flock to male casts.

Feminists got all completely wrong. If you want to appeal to a female audience, you gotta cram your main cast with hot dues being homoerotic with one another all the time. Look at Voltron, the MCU or Supernatural.

>>92838998
>Tall
>Attractive
>Beaming with confidence
>Her mere presence reduces every other female in the room into a stuttering mess
Lauran probably dragged Rebecca behind the dumpster after that and forced her to suck on her clit, yelling "it's time for you to get lost in Lauran's Universe."

>>92843367
Watching her try and get a word in was terrible; I get caught in that exact situation where I've got some shit I want to say and nobody stops talking long enough, so your options are to just shove your way into the conversation, or say it 30 seconds later if you're lucky.

>>92856335
We can go back even further to shit like Amelia Bedelia and Pippi Longstockings, the idea that boys won't like something with a female lead has never been true.

Though of course that doesn't fit the narrative so feminists will just outright ignore it.

>>92859440
There was some story the author of a very popular girls-centric children's book where she did a guest speaking at a school and was surprised to find out the audience was entirely girls. She found out afterwards that it wasn't because young boys had no interest in her books, it was because they were never given a chance since the teachers would recommend to the kids what books they may or may not like, and since her story featured a princess, they never asked any of the boys if they would like to read it.

So when it came time to ask who would be interested in showing up to the guest speak, the teacher only asked the girls who had read the book, and thus helped plant the initial seeds of the stigma for those kids.

>>92859078
Or even a way more recent phenomenon: Villainous. 75% of the cast are dudes, girls eat it up because of the smooth talking MC and the gay shipping that it lends itself to.

>>92848298
But CN clearly referred to it as a girls show which is why Faust's pitch was turned down in favor of SU

>>92854968
Steven Universe posits that there are evil characters, albeit ones who think and feel and are motivated.

It's not a lefty/righty thing. It's good writing. The show doesn't skirt over how horrible some of the characters are.

Just because someone is struggling internally doesn't mean their cruelty is justified or warranted.

>>92859811
>Steven Universe posits that there are evil characters, albeit ones who think and feel and are motivated.
My god how novel, to think we went all this time in the wilderness with cartoons where the evil characters were mindless, unfeeling and unmotivated.

>>92845253
Evil being subjective is not a feminine idea, its a fairly reasonable point.

The feminine part is using that to say that we should just accept/love others, no matter how heinous their deeds.

Its entirely masculine to recognise the reasons why someone does something but also not allow that to stop you from opposing it.

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>>92859078
>Men flock to female casts. Women flock to male casts.

I feel there are a lot of holes in this wild generalisation.

>>92859811
>Steven Universe
>Good writing
There's an episode where ruby and sapphire are arguing, and the solution was to forego an actual resolution and instead attend to a crying Steven. That is definitely not good writing.

>>92861204
What are you talking about? Sapphire realized how insensitive she was being, and Ruby admitted she just wanted to be angry instead of talking it out. So they apologized and made up.

Also, that anon's statement was a generalization, SU does have great writing, but that doesn't mean every part of every episode is well conceptualized or executed

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>>92840962
>36:15
They are both cute on their own autistic ways

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>>92855111
>>92853885
FUCK Sugar and FUCK Faust. They are both dumb feminist who are obsessed in either LGBT representation or forcing SJW messages rather than telling a story.

Daron Nefcy is the only normal female creator with a sane take on boys and girls. She doesn't geld the main male characters or try to make ugly fat girls into prominent roles.

>>92864870
What did Faust do that relates to LGBT pandering or ess jay doubleyous? Hasn't she been raising her kid and just being a mother recently?

>>92864870
Uh, how did Faust "geld the main male characters or try to make ugly fat girls into prominent roles." ?
Spike is a beta male, but he's also literally a fucking baby, and the show is a girls brand so yeah all the mane characters are going to be girls

Also, if you wanna throw the SJW card around, why did the male lead in Star have to be Hispanic? Hmmm? And he pretty much assumes the same role Spike does in MLP, minus the tumblr bait romance

>>92864870
>Daron Nefcy is the only normal female creator
>cuckquean that writes her own autist self insert being cucked
>normal

>>92865242
>the tumblr bait romance

It seems to have been far more effective at capturing the closeted weeb market than the tumblr crowd.

Not gay enough for them I think.

>>92864870
[[[you]]]

>>92864870
>They are both dumb feminist who are obsessed in either LGBT representation or forcing SJW messages rather than telling a story.

And Nefcy isn't?

>>92867607
Nope, she's far more interested in cucking herself in as many dimensions and angles as possible.

Remember the Nefcy message, you aren't good enough for the guy you love, so let that thicc skater girl be with him instead.

Hmmm