> I think we did eight or nine issues of, “This is what

>>92745257
Batman is DC's biggest money maker.

And Geoff Johns literally hates Batman more than Hitler.

He turned Batman into a retard that needs everyone to save him in Earth One. He made him useless in his shitty Justice League Run. He helped Zack Snyder give Batman guns. He wrote the shitty Affleck script with Deathstroke as the villain (because Arkham Origins was so beloved). He wrote the shitty Arkham Knight twist. He wanted a bloody love triangle between Batman and Superman for Wonder Woman.

He is going to run DC into the ground when he takes over.

>>92745655
>He turned Batman into a retard that needs everyone to save him in Earth One

Nah, he's fun/.

>>92745655

Not OP but you sound extremely butthurt.

Batman isn't somehow exempt from being written differently, major comic characters get different takes written on them all the damn time and for the most part (like with the alt verse superman stuff) its just taken as another fun story.. but for some reason you Bat Autists can't handle your beloved Dark Knight being written anything but gritty and serious.

and this is coming from someone who really, really likes Batman. You have no perspective.

>>92745257
I definitely get Priest's point. In an industry shoving PC down everyone's throats, it becomes racist itself when they alienate writers to one specific thing in hopes to appealing to certain audiences.

>>92745257
I've read interviews with some other writers who said that they developed their Rebirth storylines with Johns (IIIRC they were Humphries, Venditti, Percy and Benson, maybe others, too)
A good editor visibly improves the work of a writer, and you can't deny that's happened to Humphries, Venditti and Percy, while Priest is as good as ever

>>92745655
It's not like he has done Superman any favors either

>>92745955
>I have never read Johns Superman
neck yourself

While Johns would make a fantastic EIC he's not going to be because he's busy managing all the multi-media stuff and he's never stepping down from that.

He would actually probably be a better EIC than he is a writer.

>>92745655
Earth One was actually kind of ironic considering Johns has been one of the biggest pushers of reconstructionism at DC, and making characters less godlike and more relatable was the whole conceit of deconstructionism.

But you could also look at it as restoring Batman to his pre-Crisis years when he would struggle with a handful of mooks at a time and was more of a James Bond type. Of course Batfags hate this despite loving TAS where he was exactly that.

>>92746003
I think he's referring to DCEU Superman which of course is totally Johns fault because anything bad from DC as an entire conglomerate is Johns' fault and everything good isn't.

>>92746003
Most of his Superman stuff is either mediocre or terrible (his Nu52 stuff is especially terrible)

Geoff Johns is the Michael Bay of comics.

>>92746158
>his Nu52 stuff is especially terrible

>>92745797
>DERP DERP DERP ITS OKAY FOR MUH HUSBANDO TO LITERALLY RAPE CHARACTERS FOR SCHEKELS
Okay, Johnsfag

>>92746067
>But you could also look at it as restoring Batman to his pre-Crisis years when he would struggle with a handful of mooks at a time and was more of a James Bond type. Of course Batfags hate this despite loving TAS where he was exactly that.

It's mostly this because Johns started reading comics around COIE. 80s and 90s stuff left the biggest mark on him.

>>92746003
Save for Brainiac and Legion of Superheroes most of his Superman stuff is mediocre or terrible.

>>92746167
It is.He ruined Superman worse than MoS by having him BLOW UP A PLANET. Then there was the shitty Darkseid War tie-ins. And making him useless on the JL and the WW romance...

>>92746283
>Last Son
>terrible

>>92746298
>He ruined Superman worse than MoS by having him BLOW UP A PLANET.

Oh, so you didn't read it.
Good to know.

>>92746300
My man. Also, Up Up and Away was a fun story.
>It was also co-written with Busiek so it was bound to be good.

Also would anyone be upset if I storytimed Last Son?

>>92745655
>Batfags cry about Earth One
Every time. Every fucking time. Having all the heads of everything suck off your favorite character really went to your head. Guess what faggots if Batman is actually human "just like me XDDDD" then he shouldn't beat everyone and everything with ease like Timm and Dini write him.

It's no more unfair to you cucks than Injustice was to WW or Supes.

Johns writes books for retards

>>92746283
when did he write for the Legion

i'm starting to think the people constantly shitting on Johns are really salty Batfags

>>92746346
No do it

>>92746346
Please do, anon.

Holy fuck, DC needs to get Priest on Martian Manhunter ASAP

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>>92746672
Happy to oblige. Not going to lie, I'm really pumped for this story.

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I do apologize for not just posting the issues. I'm posting everything so if someone wanted to download the images they'd have the complete series (so they could make their own cbr version). Also none of the pages need to be resized so that's pretty ballin.

>>92746742

I miss Chris.

I like Jon, but he should just be Chris.

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>>92746810
I really like John (like seriously think he's fantastic so far and his chemistry with Damien could potentially rival Batman/Superman if played correctly), but Chris had such a cool backstory and relationship with Lois and Clark that I completely agree.

>>92746647
I've really started to notice the power of memeing on this site.

About three years ago I started telling people Perez's Wonder Woman was her definitive run every time someone said "lol wonder woman has no stories xD" and within a month I didn't even have to do it anymore because it became a standard answer. I'd gather most people saying that hadn't even read it.

About a year ago clearly one guy made a bunch of Johns hate threads within a week and kept sperging about Johns in threads, then suddenly I started seeing it clearly from multiple people all the time.

Six months ago someone started spamming "Cucka" and then that became a thing as well whenever his Wonder Woman is brought up.

I think this is a much smaller board than I'd always assumed and these things get picked up alarmingly fast.

>>92746801
I'll upload it, gimme a sec.

>>92746852

They act essentially the same. Jon had to be inspired by Chris. Though, I do like the idea of Clark just having a kid like a human. Because being human is his story.

>>92746875

I popularized the three masks theory for Superman, Batman, a few others.

Meaning instead of arguing if Superman or Clark are the truth, the people who know both see the truth. I didn't see that before I brought it up, and now I see it regularly.

>>92746980
I've literally never seen this here before, but it's a cool theory

>>92745897
Humphries is honestly the biggest Rebirth miracle. It really shows what having an editor can do for a person writing when you compare his Marvel stuff to his work on GLs.

>>92746158
>>92746167
>>92746283

Totally these

>>92746300
Last son was pretty unimaginative. The only good thing that came out of it was Chris Kent. The main purpose of the story was to set up another shitastic Johns EVENT (see Forever Evil/Darkest Day, yada yadda) in New Krypton and all that accomplished was shitting up all he Super titles for 12 months+ with a lot of noise and nonsense that led to nothing more than GROUNDED.

Really heights were hit.

>>92746980
DESU I saw Morrison saying that a couple years ago. Not saying you copied it because when I first started seeing it posted it wasn't in reference to the Morrison interview.

>>92747130

Last Son was great. It didn't set up New Krypton. Brainiac did.

New Krypton was good. It was sadly cut short though.

>>92746875
>>92746980

The conversations on here on DC when something is story-timed or a big event or some such is being brought up (for example, pre-Rebirth or say Multiplicity or the Who is Clark Kent story line, get anywhere from 300-1000 individual IP addresses. The average is a bit lower, but it can still be 100+ individual IP addresses.

Johns is just shitty. He has his fans but no one is going to defend him like they might Morrison or Miller (Frank) or Stan, etc. etc.

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I think my opinion of Jor-El is severely warped by the show Smallville.

>>92747201

I think I said it before Morrison?

It's not a not obvious take. I'm sure people said it before me. But I think I was the first to use it often on 4chan, and then it gained in usage.

And this was around when Johns was on Superman and Dini on Batman.

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Poor Jimmy.

>>92747224

I just ignore people who do nothing but shit on Johns. They're usually ignorant.

The new 52 undercut his strengths, but he's normally great.

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Love the Metropolis shirt.

>>92747224
I never saw anyone hate him until Blackest Night and Flash Rebirth. Though I remember people shitting on Sinestro Corps War even before BN.

That's one thing, because those kind of were shit, but I didn't see the really militant JOHNS IS DC BENDIS until about a year or so ago. The guy who calls everyone who doesn't blame him for everything "Johns apologists".

I remember /co/ blowing up over Justice League #1 and it became a thing that Johns was DC's Michael Bay, that stopped a little bit later.

>>92747294
Morrison said it in Supergods and then again in a Fatman on Batman podcast but again I never saw anyone bring those specific sources up.

>>92747346
He's anything but great. He's average at best, he peaked ten years ago, and he's directly responsible for the current shitshow at DC.

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>>92746810
I'd like to have both. They would have good chemistry as brothers.

>>92747409

I stand by most of early Justice League being controlled by Lee.

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Oh snap

>>92747469
His entire run is one big shit sandwich.

>>92747447

See, we know he's not. We know it was Nelson, Didio, and Lee who did the new 52. This is that ignorance I spoke of.

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It's not often you see Superman this angry. Kinda alarming because it's such a contrast. Another character that displays this is Spider-Man.

>>92747468

God I'd love to see that so much.

In Kent tradition they'd be brothers in minutes.

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I really enjoy Lex's lab.

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Superdad in the making.

>>92747469
I agree but that one guy calls you a Johns apologist if you try to do the obvious by pointing out Lee and Harras's stink is all over it.

>>92747497
Yeah even the parts that ARE clearly Johns aren't very good, but the first arc is such a blatant and unrepentant movie pitch where everyone is characterized the exact opposite of how Johns writes them I can't blame him for that.

The entire New 52 is like the exact opposite of everything Johns likes about DC and I feel like it made him kinda check out mentally for awhile. His Aquaman reads like shit he's had on deck for a long time and everything else he did at the time is just boring.

>>92747508
Yes Johns is the bold iconoclast bringing love back into the universe. Just ignore Infinite Crisis and the subsequent decade long dismemberment orgy.

>>92747570

He killed like, three people.

He was chiefly about bringing back characters and concepts.

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=D

>>92747564

Except for Aquaman and GL he was coasting. He stayed so he could ebenrually save what he could.

>>92745257
>DiDio as DC EiC

Someone else has already succeeded Dan as the EIC for DC.

Geoff will be too busy finding jobs for his buddies, like he did for Goyer, as co-president of DC Films, and thinking of new Snap Chats he can have with his fellow Bo-Duke loving friends to spend time editing things he's not interested in, like Green Lanterns who aren't Hal and Flash family members who aren't Barry.

>>92747564
What about the other fifty issues of Justice League where he didn't have the boogeyman forcing him to write with shitty characterization and plotting?

>>92747608
>all the people that died in Infinite Crisis
>all the people that died in Sinestro Corps War
>all the fucking people that died in Blackest Night

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>Why?
I'd be hard pressed to say no to this kid. Taking care of him would be a massive undertaking but you could also use this time to guide them into becoming someone that could make the world a better place.

>>92747570
I'm not gonna defend his murderporn shit but Infinite Crisis was specifically about de-edgifying.

Again, whether that's what actually came out in his writing is another thing altogether. That's the valid criticism of Johns: he talks about de-edgifying DC but then writes edgy shit.

>>92747654
>Yeah even the parts that ARE clearly Johns aren't very good

>>92745257
but geoff johns saved dc

>>92747698
Put your name back on.

>>92747659
Not many died in SCW.
What about the people who came back in BN?

>>92747519
>a rage that could cower Satan himself.....
As per the best superman story.

You would think with how closely he works with the US government and how much good he does and with how FUCKING UNBELIEVABLY FUCKING GOD DAMN FUCKING POWERFUL HE IS, they would take extra steps to try to not piss him off utterly. I mean you would fucking think.

>>92747689
So you admit he's shit then.

>>92747723
>What about the people who came back in BN?
Let's see:
>Hawkman and Hawkwoman
Killed by Johns in the very same event
>Maxwell Lord
Killed in the lead-up to Johns' event
>Reverse Flash
Pointless
>Captain Boomerang
Not as pointless, but it lead to the very pointless death of a legacy character
>Hawk
Pointless, also lead to the even more pointless death of a legacy character
>Deadman
wut

Martian Manhunter and Aquaman were the only ones worth bringing back or that weren't killed by Johns in the first place. Also, way more people died in BN that got brought back.

>>92747784
What?

>>92747750
No, I admit he has done good things and bad things and his actions and words don't always line up.

You know, like most human beings.

I think he's much better as an editor, though. I'm glad he wasn't an editor during the post-Infinite Crisis days because he was clearly at his worst then, however.

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It's official, Bizarro made my shit list.

>>92747661

>Lois fucking everything up same as always because she doesnt want to be tied down by kids.d
>what a fucking bitch. Throw her into the sun and go bang wonder woman

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Love this page.

>>92745257
Where's that faggot that was going on and on about how Rebirth was all Didio and not Johns now?

>>92745655
>And Geoff Johns literally hates Batman more than Hitler.

I hate this meme

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=O

Johns run on GL is what got me into DC comics so I might be biased but I really enjoyed his GL stuff

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Chris could have been one of the greats. Shame New52 erased him (although he might have been brought back since the merging).

>>92745655
>Batfags still getting this triggered because Johns made him an actual person and not Batgod in Earth One.
I can't wait for Volume Three.

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This Lois is SOOOOOOOOOOO much better than New 52 Lois.

>>92747830
Once again, his writing output has been consistently shitty for the past five years and his increase in editorial power has coincided with arguably the worst era DC has ever had. We're not arguing if he's contradictory, we're arguing if he's the "savior" or if he's a hack.

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Fucking loving this so far.

>>92747969
>we're arguing if he's the "savior" or if he's a hack
I think hyperbole of any kind is dumb.

>>92747969

He only got editorial pull as of Rebirth.

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And now Zod enters the picture. I've always enjoyed him as a Superman villain and think casting his in the antagonist in Man of Steel was a ballsy move that ultimately paid off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWmIL4cBFyA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87ZTS7Fdg90
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uP07fgNUCM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1SYSiesNjY>>92747750

>>92747807
>>92747827
>>92747661
>>92747675
>>92747305

I just have to pour one out for a modern comic that actually has spectacular backgrounds. The art is great in this.

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Can't wait to see Grail again, fuck Moore and his grittiness.

>>92747985
>that Christopher Reeve Pandering!

......I'll allow it

>>92748009
CCO just before New 52 friendo.

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>>92745955
>>92746158
>>92746283
>Not liking Johns Superman

>>92748005
It's not hyperbole if there's an abundance of evidence.

>>92748085

That applied to film and TV, not comics.

>>92747564

You're criticizing a writer for everything they did "poorly" in your mind. Name one writer who hasn't written a mediocre story in comics...everything was over the moon fantastic.

entitled little shitstains you fuckers are.

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>As does our son.
HOLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYY SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>92747801
What what? You mentioned the people who got brought back in Blackest Night, I replied. Do all Johnsfags lack basic reading comprehension or something?

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>>92745655
Batfag tears are the best.

>>92748118
And he "saved" those too huh? Brought a lot of love to the DCU?

>>92745655
Johns is a jackass m8. But you should already know that johnsfags don't give a shit about batman.

>>92746580
As always you don't read fucking comics and talk about cartoons. Fucking inmature idiots.

>>92748138
That's what I said here:

>>92747830
>No, I admit he has done good things and bad things and his actions and words don't always line up.

>You know, like most human beings.

Download ready for action:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/csnwuc8ntao59l8/Superman%20-%20Last%20Son%20of%20Krypton%20Vol.2013%20%2301%20%28January%2C%202013%29.cbr?dl=0

>>92748223

Actually Flash and Supergirl started off better than Arrow. He seemed to have almost no pull on the film side until he was promoted again to a producer roll. His CCO roll seemed to be a glorified advisor to make shits like you blame the comic guy and not the people pulling the strings.

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>>92748277
My man

>>92745257
Why does the artist come back because he's "not writing a black character" and then proceeds to write him surrounded by black characters?

I honestly don't understand why people blame johns for the directors cut extended universe. he is constantly throwing shade at snyder for not understanding these characters.

do you think it was johns idea to have pa kent tell his son to let people die and have batman killing a shitload of people?

>>92748284
There has yet to be a non-shit live action superhero show. But please tell me more about the conspiracy to make Geoff Johns the fall guy for the shittiest era of DC.

johnsfags are delusional

why the FUCK would johns take a demotion as EiC at DC when he is creative/producer big cheese at studios

the real $$$ is in the movies

and although batfag tears are hilarious, they are right, johns is terrible at writing batman as much as bendis is at writing non-street

>>92748391
>non-shit live action superhero show
legion

>>92748386
His take on Batman seems to be portraying him as an incompetent retard who deserves ridicule so that's not really much of a stretch.

>>92747469
>was specifically about de-edgifying.

Bullshit. Delutional Johnsfag
>>92747409
>JOHNS IS DC BENDIS
No one EVER said that aside one single poster. We saw one paranoid johnsfag thinking every person was the same guy and spamming DC bendis.

It was one particular idiot that LIKES johns. /co/ turned on Johns for good during Darkseid war, everyone accepted the work as mediocre but it was DW what made most people turn their backs, there was no pay off, there was no plans, just lies, promises and shitty writing.

It was another event made justfor the sake of making toys for collectors in new god costumes

>>92748444
no he is portraying him as an inexperienced neet who never travelled around the world and only cares about punching the villains. until he learns better

>>92748415
Legion is a fucking joke of storytelling that is perfect for this pseudo-intellectual Emperor's New Clothes society.

>>92748466
>/co/ turned on Johns for good during Darkseid war
and then everyone turned back for rebirth

>>92748497
The shills did you mean. Because most people with even the slightest amount of sense say that the fringiest titles are the only ones worth reading.

>>92747562
I miss Ma and Pa Kent. ;_;

>>92748547
>The shills did you mean. Because most people with even the slightest amount of sense say that the fringiest titles are the only ones worth reading.
no I mean most of this board retard. or is 99% of this board shills just because they disagree with your contrarian ass

>>92748479
Potato potato.

>>92748604
>I miss Ma and Pa Kent. ;_;
Indeed

FUCK THAT HACK WHO RUINED IT ALL

>>92748643
A large percentage of it is, just like the rest of the internet.

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>>92748490
I enjoyed Powers. Especially Season 2. They fixed many of the things wrong with Season 1 and went out with a unique adaptation of the "The Sellouts" arc.

>>92748670
morrison?

>>92748680
>>>/v/

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>>92748604
Me too anon. Me too. I still wish I completely understood the merging of the two Supermen in the most recent Action Comics. I just want a laid out chronology of which stories were canon and which were to be ignored. Although he may not have been adored by the public, I thought he was distinct enough from Post Crisis Superman to be his own character. Also his broship with Batman was awesome and now Bruce is having to tolerate this dude.

>>92748709
>now Bruce is having to tolerate this dude.
except since the merge this is the only superman he has ever known

Geoff actually likes Batman, but he's more of a fan of bronze age Batman.

Fuck, he constantly pair Batman and Wonder Woman together.

>>92746158
>>Geoff Johns is the Michael Bay of comics.

Hardly. At worst he's the JJ Abrams of comics.

>>92748781
most of the people shitting on him probably don't read comics and are just parroting what others say

>>92747447
Another idiot. If he's average at best how was he able to singlehandedly turn around DC's fortunes recently?

>>92748808
Ah yes, such classic Batman tales as

>>92748223
He did fix the rights so BATB could use WW and Superman.

>>92748840
What exactly did he turn around? Since when does success equal quality?

>>92748261
Seems like you're the one who doesn't read comics. Or other people's posts for that matter.

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>>92748547
>Am I wrong?
>No everyone else is paid to disagree with me
>>>/v/

>>92748850
Well hey at least there's one positive thing about his tenure.

>>92748868
Since when does success equal its shit?

>>92748808
Just another day with /co/ntrarians.

>>92748691
>>92748903
Isn't it great that we have general consensus to tell us how to think and we can just label dissenting opinions a contrarian and never give them a second thought? Almost as great as how honest everyone on the internet is as it moves toward complete decorporatization.

>>92748943
Peak Lex

>>92748961
when will they start talking about how current Marvel is actually good

>>92748927
I never said that, but that statement is way more true than it's ever been if you look at the most successful media of the past decade.

>>92745879
At least when McDuffie was alive they could split that bullshit between them and Dwayne didn't like it much either.
>>92746067
>He would actually probably be a better EIC than he is a writer.
He wouldn't be the first.

>>92748965
Isn't it great how whenever we're faced with the prospect that someone likes what we don't, we can just dismiss them as a paid shill? It really makes it easier to win arguements.

>>92745257
But Didio isn't EiC.

>>92749028
You're right. Shills don't exist here or anywhere else on the internet. It's just bad business sense.

>>92746980
>Meaning instead of arguing if Superman or Clark are the truth, the people who know both see the truth. I didn't see that before I brought it up, and now I see it regularly.
This should have been our consensus years ago, thank you for removing the haze around this issue. I think INITIALLY there's an actual division with these characters but over time it becomes what you're saying. Thanks again.

>>92748547
You are truly pathetic, it must suck being a fanboy of Johns, it's like being a fanboy or a team that has never won anything.
>>92748781
>Fuck, he constantly pair Batman and Wonder Woman together.

He literally started reading WW in 2014. And he never was into Batman, he was a CARTOONfag when it comes to both of them. He isnt a fan of Bronze age batman and you should feel bad about lying. Johns learned his batman from cartoons and movies.

>>92748943
Sometimes I love Johns' Lex and sometimes I hate him. I really love him here though. Only thing I'd add to this is Supes pointing out that he feels the exact same emotions, desires, and temptations as a normal human being and that his true power comes in rising above them.

>>92749003
As long as the MCU is successful? Never.
>>92749006
So the DCEU is kino and the MCU is shit? Ok anon, feel free to live in your delusional fantasy world.

>>92748943
How does Superman existing prevent Lex from curing cancer again?

>>92749080
Nothing about that comment has anything to do with being a Johns fanboy.

>>92749136
You're the one that's delusional, viewing the world through shitty childish company wars.

>>92749054
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
4U big guy. As hard as it might be to believe you aren't a special little snowflake who is always correct and anyone who disagrees with you is being paid to do so.

If you want to down that road, prove you're not a Marvel shill hired by (((Disney))) to shit talk your competition.

>>92745257
That's what editors do. Literally their job. What are you angry about exactly?

>>92749203
Company wars eh? I wonder who benefits from that? Marvel are a bunch of rapists, how's that for ya buddy.

>>92749187
Nothing about my post was company wars kiddo. I don't think you know what that means. Let me help you understand my post.
>So the DCEU is kino and the MCU is shit?
This is in reference to your retarded claim that most recent successful products are shit whereas unpopular things are great.

>>92749126
I could read a whole series of these two doing this.

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>>92745655
>Geoff Johns literally hates Batman more than Hitler
That explains kingBats.

>>92749262
But the DC movies have been complete shit and have been financially successful, you complete and utter retard.

>>92749147
Lex is too obsessed with killing Superman and doesn't focus on cancer.

>>92749261
Are you retarded? He's saying that if you believe everyone who disagrees with you is a shill what's to stop everyone from claiming the same of you? It's dumbass belief that gets you nowhere.

Oh and the DCEU is dogshit. Obviously that proves I'm not a shill since that's all you think needs to be posted to "prove" you're not a shill.

>>92749288
>have been financially successful,
>Batman vs Superman didn't break a billion and got beaten by Deadpool
Companies have a bigger qualifier for success than "earned back our budget" you fucking moron. BvS should've easily made a billion.

>>92748161
>Not wanting Wonder Woman to activate his puberty

C'mon Lois

>>92749314
The belief that companies don't hire people to spam ideas and narratives 24/7 across every webpage on the internet is a dumbass belief that gets you nowhere. Also I don't know how I would be able to be a shill if I'm saying Marvel is a bunch of child molesters.

>>92749288
And the MCU has been a financial success and hasn't been shit you dumb fucking mongoloid holy shit I've literally spelt it out for you and you just don't get it.

>>92749353

It was never going to make it. Everyone and their mother has a different opinion on what Superman and Batman should be portrayed as.

>>92749353
Ok so you're the special type of retard who likes to debate about Hollywood accounting on the internet. That's fine I'm not going to do that. I said nothing about BvS either.

>>92749377
You think DC hires people to shill COMIC BOOKS you fucking retard? Holy shit you're a dumbfuck. Comics get no marketing none. Maybe at the start of Rebirth, MAYBE, but they're not going to shill here you fucking idiot.

>>92749411
BvS is a DC movie dumbass. It is included when you're talking about DC movies.

>>92745257
>Geoff Johns will become EiC of DC
>Didio will no longer be working at DC
>Didio will still be blamed for Johns's mistakes
>Didio will be dead and still get blamed for DC's mistakes
Wait, are we still blaming Didio for DC's mistakes?

>>92749411
>I said nothing about BvS
>But the DC movies have been complete shit
Did you have dementia or something? What the fuck else were you referring to?

>>92749504
/co/ loves Didio because of his love for niche titles

>>92749467
>>92749511
OHHHHHH
SU-SU-ICIDIO

>>92749428
You're right you dumbfuck shill. Let's just all pretend that one of the largest comics forums on the internet is also somehow the most honest place on the internet and people just love spamming press releases and the same tired arguments over and over again.

>>92745879
This really is the only thread you could crowbar your autistic /pol/ argument in?

>>92748943
This is a Bendis page done right.

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>Its a random collection of Anons think any reputable company would 'shill' on 4chan episode...

Some of you not everyone but i think they know who they are... are either drunk as shit on a Saturday night or not mentally well.

>>92749163
> Before I dismember you, human, you will tell me WHO you are and WHAT you are doing here.
> I am the greatest scientist on this planet and would be on yours.

god damn

>>92749782
>It's a shill pretends like an anonymous forum with millions of unique users isn't routinely used as an advertising platform episode

Nice memes though

>>92749782
>>92749949
>it's a CIA agents argue about shilling to drive attention away from the US government's social conditioning plot episode

Oh joy

>>92745655
>Johns writes Batman like he's some human being without any superpowers
Oh how dare he not respect the BatGOD. /s

>>92749949
>>92749991

Well here I am without my tinfoil hat..... so embarassing.

>>92749991
I figured singling out the government from corporations was redundant.

>>92748943
>Johns isn't DC's Bendis, they said

I'm kidding

>>92749949
>isn't routinely used as an advertising platform
This isn't /v/ where most content is relatively secure, people are used to coughing up $60 for mediocre game software and there's been one documented example of a company astroturfing here because they were legitimately scared of lost presales.

This is superhero comic book publishing. Some of us will be inclined to support official releases but we're a rounding error in DC's and Marvel's accounting. And for the record, whether it's online or face to face, sales technique favors talking up your product instead of talking down the competition because believe it or not outside of actual election politics, negative comments are more likely to be perceived as confirmation bias than useful information.

I can remember one specific incident of astroturfing on /tv/ in the last five years. One. It was a series of poorly worded OPs pushing The Purge and everyone on the board recognized it for what it was and the threads went to page 10 without cracking 3 digits in post count.

This industry is doing very poorly right now in terms of actual sales but the thing you're overlooking is that neither DC nor Marvel are comic book publishers any longer. They're IP factories for their respective studios, and sales numbers aren't even factored into what properties get adaptations. You think Suicide Squad was leading sales when it got optioned? Captain Marvel is below cancellation numbers.

Take a deep breath and accept that company wars shitposting is retards and not marketing executives at work.

>>92749383
Where did I say the MCU wasn't shit?

>>92749586
the mere fact that nu-/co/ "loves" didio now is fucking disgusting

he was one of the most hated men on this board for almost a decade, he'd make the slott hate look like valentine's day

>>92745897
And he brought down good writers down to his level.

>>92750420
I've loved him ever since he saved Blue Beetle and REBELS.

Hates gonna hate.

>>92746003
There are a million other things more worth reading than John's Superman. It's not remotely must read, or even one of DC's top runs.

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>There are people in this board that genuinely think that Johns hates Batman

>>92750390
Go home everyone, they tried shilling once on the internet and it didn't work. And comic books have literally zero crossover with comic book movies. Thank god this guy is here to keep us safe.

>>92750420
/co/ and most of comic readers even hated Johns back then.
They just miss Didio now that Johns has brought upon this plague of mediocrity.

>>92750484
>one ingle page
What about the entire rest of the run where batman is not only a manchid, but also incapable of doing anything right? Copying an episode of JLU doesnt change anything

>>92750083
JLI didnt had the batgod, Batgod started with fucking morrison. And isnt even the most popular version of batman, TDK had a extremely nerfed and human batman, Year one? the same, BTAS? the same, the burton movies? The same, LEgends of the dark knight? rookie first year batman...
Fuck you, you don't have an argument when most of the most popular batman stories involve a nerfed or rookie batman.

It's always people who doesnt like batman who come with that stupid argument and at the same time defend johns.

People had been saying Johns dislikes batman since his JSA. Holy shit, that batman was a petty cunt.

>>92750390
Yeah because once an intellectual property becomes a movie suddenly it cannot exist in any other form.

>>92750508
I wish the synergy was what you believe it to be. And that example I posted about /v/ DID work, at least until people actually started playing the game. But again, incomparable goods and economic models.

If this were as real as you believe it to be, /tv/ would have been hammered with shill threads for (((Ghostbusters))) that said "you know, it's not so bad." The most it got were contrarian posts arguing that the original series was shit and everyone had nostalgia glasses, which hardly sold the reboot.

We aren't tastemakers. If Marvel's last year proves anything, we're nearly immune to hype and only casuals fall for it because they haven't been around long enough to understand nothing sticks in comic books. And those people? They hang out on other platforms where no one will call them out for being ignorant and clouded. This isn't their safe space.

There are a few places where you could hope to change consumers' minds on 4chan but we aren't going to make or break opening day ticket sales for Wonder Woman.

>>92750893

Shhhh...... being the voice of reason doesn't work here, you have to be an inflammatory douchebag wildly out of touch with reality to have an opinion!

>>92750893
You're either a fucking idiot or a fucking shill. Keep acting like the same shitty spam using the same shitty memes sparking the same shitty arguments keeping the same shitty products visible on a webpage that gets millions of views a month has nothing to do with selling anything. This place has been a safe space for corporate advertising for a long time now.

>>92750694
>Yeah because once an intellectual property becomes a movie suddenly it cannot exist in any other form.
It can exist in any form the studios want. But those suits still use the same arbitrary, what-the-kids-today-like dartboard they've used elsewhere. No one at the WB said "Flash is doing gangbuster sales, that's the tipping point for greenlighting the show." They said "Look, a story arc we can adapt without paying royalties."

We are amusing to the big 2 as a cultural phenomenon but we do not meaningfully influence their bottom line.

>>92750984
The only person who is out of touch with reality is the one who can't conceive that just because there weren't people blatantly saying the Ghostbusters movie was not that bad (which there actually were but hey doesn't fit the narrative so fuck it) means that there isn't viral advertising occurring everywhere constantly.

>>92745655
>And Geoff Johns literally hates Batman more than Hitler.

That's a good thing. Fuck batwank.

>>92751085
Yep nothing to gain from giant corporations promoting their sometimes billion dollar intellectual properties on a website with an extremely high concentration of their fans. Nosiree Bob.

>>92749090
Underrated page.

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>>92751164

It must be terrifying to have a mind that works like yours... what the fuck else are you overly paranoid about??

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>>92751164
>just because there weren't people blatantly saying the Ghostbusters movie was not that bad (which there actually were but hey doesn't fit the narrative so fuck it)

I was on /tv/ daily then and believe me, I didn't hide those threads because I was having too much fun participating in them. If someone was being paid to do what you describe, Sony got raped for their money in terms of the minimal number of posts suggesting this and their exceptionally weak defense of the movie.

What I will say is that the last 3 years have had an uptick of people who get upset and confused by opinions they don't share, and either marginalize them as redditors or accuse them of being businessmen selling something. It's one thing to recognize video game "journalism" as virtue signaling money grubbers in cahoots with their brethren, it's another to accuse everyone who likes something you don't as being fucking marketers or to think you have the magic insight into which is which.

>>92748386
Batfags hate him because he doesn't do Batgod and DCEUfags hate him because he's the anti-Snyder.

>>92751224
>with an extremely high concentration of their fans
A lot of weasel words in that phrase. Fans clamor for Carol Danvers but comic book purchasers ignore her. And "Extremely high concentration" is a metric, a numeric you don't have and can't get. Even a comparison of monthly sales for a title with this board's traffic doesn't prove a relationship esp. since we post enough download links and storytimes to make purchases unnecessary.

>>92751649
If you are on /tv/ daily and cannot see the blatant advertising occurring there then you are a fucking moron. There is no magic insight. Shilling occurs on every corner of the internet, deny it if you want. An extremely high traffic forum where you can post anonymously is going to have a high percentage of manipulation going on, advertisers aren't going to shake in their boots because people post porn and act racist.

>>92749568
Thanks for the storytime anon. I really enjoyed it.

>>92749669
>just all pretend that one of the largest comics forums on the internet
Where people openly steal comics dumbfuck. DC and Marvel barely advertise as it is and you think they waste money paying people to come here? But keep being delusional spergo.

>>92752004
No weasel words are the ones you use to shift the argument away from this being one of the most popular comic forums on the internet that routinely discusses these intellectual properties you seem so keen on pretending don't exist in comic book form.

>>92752071
It's almost as if the comics are being given away or something. There's a word for that hang on. Pro-.....promo-....... nah I lost it.

>>92749669
>Let's just all pretend that one of the largest comics forums on the internet is also somehow the most honest place on the internet and people just love spamming press releases and the same tired arguments over and over again.


No but see they do, thats what this place is... but nobodys paid to do it... which means theres no "shills"

this place aside from a few good threads a day, is a shit flinging contest comprised of chimps from /tv/ and baboons from /pol/ all arguing about the joo's and which movie made more money or what fuckin CW show is most bestest.... It's fucking pathetic.

Don't even get me started about the cartoon fetish fags

i rarely read comics and i always hated superman in all forms of media except for this one time when I read the last son of krypton in this very thread right now. so I would appreciate any pointers to more good reads. thanks in advance

>>92747224
I rarely see more than 500 unique ips ever. Its a stretch to say there is ever 1000 unique ips in a thread. I'd say 600, max.

>>92752168

you..can't be fucking serious. If you are, you need to talk to a shrink because you're a whackjob

>>92752168
>DC and Marvel Comics are the ones storytiming the issues
So who's Norrin?

>>92752168
>Delusional retard who exists in his own world and can't comprehend how it works
There's a word for that, hang on aut-autis... nope I lost it.

>>92752331
You heard it here ladies and gentlemen, can't be any shilling here, because only stupid people who buy products they don't need and also are tricked into aligning themselves with companies post here. Nothing to see here.

>>92752348
What forms of media have you even seen?

>>92749669
>one of the largest comics forums on the internet

Oh god that's a depressing thought.

>>92752393
>>92752417
>>92752457
Harp on that point all you want fellas, it sure is much easier to attack than the others. Not like it's well established the comics lines solely exist as IP farms or anything.

>>92752464
>because only stupid people who buy products they don't need and also are tricked into aligning themselves with companies post here
Sounds like a good description of /co/ to me. I'd replace buy with steal though. No one here actually buys comics.

>>92752524
It's a great description of /co/ you dummy. It's also a great marketing base.

>>92752026
>An extremely high traffic forum where you can post anonymously is going to have a high percentage of manipulation going on, advertisers aren't going to shake in their boots because people post porn and act racist.

It's going to have some because there will always be people who overestimate the positive impact. But again GB16 was the most obvious test case to influence opinion and I defy you to find good examples of it happening. This is the same company that routinely purged comments on YouTube, they could have put the same effort into sliding these threads. And they didn't. There were far more social media posts from useful idiots willing to do their work for them for nothing.

> this being one of the most popular comic forums on the internet that routinely discusses these intellectual properties you seem so keen on pretending don't exist in comic book form.

I implied DC and Marvel no longer exist as entities whose economic survival has anything to do with book sales now that both are owned by media giants with movie studios, and I stand by that statement. Even Marvel said this in their early 90s prospectus, claiming this was one of the greatest threats to them while they were easily dominating sales against DC.

If you need to harp on the literal interpretation of a point I made about what matters economically to the big 2 be my guest.

> we're popular therefore we matter to them
We post pirate links to their content like clockwork every Wednesday so people don't have to buy it. /a/, /v/ and /mu/ don't even do this.

>>92748802
Micheal Bay is smarter and more skilled than Johns at popcorn stuff. Bay is a great director, Johns has never been great, good at his best

>>92752483
What I meant to say was I did not like any of the superman movies or superman in any of the cartoons. When I read comics it is usually Marvel and mostly the Punisher or 80's/90's GI Joe. I don't know how I ended up on this thread but I seen there was a comic book posted and I started reading and it was the only time I liked a superman story.

>>92752593
>It's also a great marketing base.

To people who pirate comic books and capeshit movies. Or are you suggesting that both are loss leaders to T-shirts and coffee mugs?

>THIS ENTIRE THREAD
/co/, pls. Stop this bickering, or start making out. Either way, this very stupid and pointless argument has gone on long enough.

>>92752613
Once again you are a fucking moron. Ghostbusters '16 is probably the least obvious test case (although someone once told me something about bad publicity maybe you can help me out in remembering). Try something like a network that has shows currently airing for the most obvious. And please explain how a company that doesn't give two shits about its comics line making money stays away from it's consumer base that is nth times as likely to rabidly throw money at their intellectual properties across all forms of media would rather sit in the corner and pout because we are costing them so much money through comic piracy.

>>92752796
I like Johns

>>92752737
To people who buy products featuring their intellectual properties and/or promote said products by discussing them on popular web forums.

>>92752348
You can read the rest of this Johns run. Starts with the arc titled "Up, Up, and Away" and he basically continues into Action Comics. Busiek also has a Superman run coming out over roughly the same period that's pretty good, so you can read that one too. Up, Up, and Away is a crossover but I don't believe the two books intersect much after that until Busiek leaves.

That's like 3 years of ongoings to get you started.

>>92752918
>by discussing them on popular web forums.


not only is 4chan as a whole not a "popular web forum" , /co/ is even less so.

I don't know why you think this whirlpool of shit is worth any professional marketers attention.

>>92752877
>stays away from it's consumer base that is nth times as likely to rabidly throw money at their intellectual properties across all forms of media

Or would if we weren't being spoonfed download links to all of it. We watched the workprint for Wolverine:Origins right here and the result at the box office was loudly trumpeted by the MPAA as proof we were killing their industry. And that was WITH our gushing endorsement of Ryan Reynolds as the only good thing in the movie.

It's not that we're costing them so much, it's that we're the worst potential audience and you still aren't correlating your imagined popularity here with customers.
>>92752918
>To people who buy products featuring their intellectual properties
We pirate their comics and movies, what are we buying and how do you propose to prove we're doing it?

BONUS ROUND: you can't repeat your misinterpretation of an earlier comment for autism points.

>>92752910
I also like Johns.

Remember JSA? I remember JSA. Good times.

>>92748350
Because of the way media people think these days there's "black properties". Static, Black Panther, Power Man, with unwritten rules that the writers and artists had to be black.. And the thing that torques off Priest is that he would get NOTHING but that.

Deathstroke isn't that. A superman book set in Africa with Steel and Black Lightning as supporting characters wouldjn't count as a "black book" under these rules.

>>92749702
Bitch please. You're delusional and seeing /pol/ everywhere. Both Priest and Mc "Teenage Ninja Negro Thrashers" Duffee have made that point on multiple occasions. Are you calling two of the most famous black comic creators /pol/ now>

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>>92753537
>Teenage Ninja Negro Thrashers
not enough people here know about this

>>92753118
This is what a shill would say to deny being a shill.

>>92753342
His JSA should have been the model for Marvels attempts at legacy heroes, get some older characters pair them up with young ones and have them train together and learn about becoming a hero.
Use it to bring back forgotten older characters and to help build up newer ones hoping for a break out character to get a solo mini series maybe an ongoing.