How would other fictional alien races react to and fare

>>92680521
I think the empire from star wars would obliterate them in space/aerial combat. Ground combat may be a bit of a grey area but the empire would still have an edge, plus Vader would probably make most of them shit themselves in fear.

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>>92680521
With contempt. The Grox would do pretty well, considering the fact that they control most of the galaxy.

>>92680521
The gems are fairly weak

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>>92680521
Zoggin 'ell lookit 'em. An' Oi thot dem Pointy ear'd gitz were a buncha panzies. Well dis should still be good for quick scrap.

>>92680521
You gotta be more specific other people will start calling rediculous shit like tyranids, the borg, the empire etc. all of which we know a lot more about in terms of technology and culture while SU does jack all to explain gem tech, influence and culture beyond "we hate fusion"

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>>92680521
I have no doubt they would absolutely destroy the gems in open combat and they have an answer to every large scale weapon too.

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>>92680521
I don't know, just how DO you think they would fare?

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Homeworld becomes his new stomping grounds.

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How would pic related fare?

>>92680521
The imperium would fucking curb-stomp them

>>92680704
Tyranid a wouldn't actuall get that much out of them actually. No biomass, just rocks and light. The Gems could probably slow them down by blowing up planets to make their soldiers. Heck, when you think about, The Gems are just a gayer rockier version of the Tyranids.

>>92680738
We don't even know the full scope of the Combines aresenal or real militaristic might do it's hard to say

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>>92680521

How would the Irken Empire fare against the Diamond Empire?

>>92680721
Fairly poor like odds are if the cybertronians showed up on earth during SU they would get fucked by both groups.

>>92680766
Even without biomass considering how over the top tyranids are I'd say they can win. Plus the gems only way of planetbusting is combining together millions of their own kind into a giant cluttered mess of shards and then leaving it o incubate for thousands of years

>>92680521
Could a Yautja hunt one? They tend to keep trophies, but how can they keep one if the only way is to shatter the gem?

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How would the gems fear against Predators?

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>>92680711
Not to mention that have some real kickass marching tunes
https://youtu.be/hRbYzwzg8T8

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>>92680521
How well could they hold out against the helghast?

>>92680738
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8rS1UYYiytw

He's a tricky fucking devil, I'll tell ya what.

>>92680674
>Orks cause the Gems to bleed and explode into gibs and take damage normally by sheer belief
RIP Gems

>>92680830
I thought Kindergartens also destroyed Planets, or at least the life on them?

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>>92680521
"A horde of pastel colored rhinestones are coming to siege Kaon? Don't make me laugh Starscream. They're hardly a threat to our empire.
Soundwave, send out a rally point to our troops and tell them to prepare for assault! Now is the time to show these upstarts how to wage a TRUE galactic war!! DECEPTICONS!! TRANSFORM AND RISE UP!!!"
Most versions of the Decepticon will wipe them out in an annexation campaign.

>>92680604
Especially with Thrawn at the helm.
>>92680765
It's a shame about what happened to Creed... but hey, Primaris Marines.

>>92680865
I can imagine one killing a ruby, but how would they keep a trophy?

>>92680865
>fear
*fare

>>92680521
Predators could easily wipe them out on the ground. And the Empire from Star Wars could take them out too no problem.

>>92680903
Can Khornate bezerkers do the same?

>>92680674
Ghazghkull Thraka's a Git. Gorgutz is best Boss.

>>92680925
>but how would they keep a trophy?
Gem Shards in stasis cube.

An Alpha Predator could probably take on a Jasper.

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He wouldn't even need the rest of his race. He could just take them all to bolster his own ranks.

>>92680923
>Creed
He's in one of Trayzn's Pokeballs, he's fine. I just want to see how the White Scars are going to deal with Fact that Primaris Marines are going to bee too big and heavy to fit on Jetbikes.

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>>92680521
>This thread again
Oh well, still fun to talk about I guess.

I think they might stand a chance against the Sith, but it hinges on whether or not their hard-light gem weapons can hold up to lightsabers.

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>>92680521
Same way he reacts to every other alien race. Genocide or job recruitment

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>>92680724
they probably made it in the first place

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>>92680521
I don't know if pic related counts, but he does have an intergalactic empire. He'd wip them out so fast, even the Diamonds would cower before him.

>>92680923
>especially with Thrawn at the helm
At least give them a small chance anon.

>>92681005
I wonder what would happen if Fabius Bile knew about the gems. Daemonculaba 2: Electric Boogaloo?

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>>92681023

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>>92680521
Oh joyous occasion, new toys to play with!

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>>92681042
>Daemonculaba 2: Electric Boogaloo?
Oh Lordy-Loo please not again. That shit was fucked up enough the first time.

>>92681040
I am, I'm letting him lead the ground forces.

Gems are Borg-tier. Pretty strong. Efficient use of resources if nothing else, but glaring ethical vulnerabilities which can be exploited by technologically-inferior species.

Combine, Space Pirates and the Covenant would absolutely flatten the gems/gem empire because they are dicks.

Asari and other nice races would try to be polite

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>>92680521
They aren't particularly aliens, but they are ancient lifeforms. I think that the gems would have a pretty rough time with them, given that one of them is in fact, the ultimate lifeform

>>92681053
Is there more to this?

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>>92680923
>>92681040
>Thrawn spends some time on Earth checking out Gem Empire ruins
>Can tell from their architecture that the Gems are technologically advanced
>Can tell from their art that they're minimalists who favor elegance, but aren't afraid to use brute force when it comes to it
>Can also tell they're organized into a rigid hierarchy and caste system
>Lastly, can tell they favor melee combat just by the sheer number of melee weapons forged by gems lying around on Earth
>Concocts battle plans where the easiest path for the Gems to take to victory requires them to break their hierarchy
I'd watch the Gems take that blue dick.

>>92680521
They're actually pretty shitty when you think about it, a bunch of pussies that are always on their period and hyperemotional during most times who possess an exposed glowing weak point on their bodies. Their weaponry doesn't seem very good either since infantry are relegated to archaic melee options with the rare bow in use, not to mention that every new generation of infantry are inferior to the first in many ways. Even the glorft from MEGAS XLR could kick their ass and they got their shit wrecked by a soda cup.

>>92681195
What if they managed to gemify the Red Stone of Asia?

>>92681243

Kars wouldn't give a fuck.

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>>92681243
Kars wouldn't let them

>>92681282
man i could really go for a meat bun

>>92680850
Poke steven until he bubbles it for them.

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>>92681232
Well you have to remember that the melee thing was thousands of years ago. Now a standard engineer is issued a laser canon

As an organism, I'll agree, they're weaker, but we really have no idea what their current tech is capable of

>>92680521
I'm not sure, but i feel like they would become extremely valuable as batteries

>>92681282
Oh god those flanks

The gems are a multi galaxy race with at least a few dozen planets under their rules, as of 5000 years ago. That was when they had to sail across space in slower than light ships. Their tech has advanced greatly since.

Practically immortal, and require only sunlight once born. They can get up from being poofed with in a seconds if they need to. If Rose Quartz soldiers are available. Then they can be healed from cracking during battle. Their ground combat is no joke. Especially considering fusions, aquamarines, and Lapis.

The only way to keep a gem out of battle is to bubble it, physically bind it in an object, or shatter it. Shatter requires an impact of over 40,000 joules. I did the math from Amethyst's fall.

A small gem ship with kindergarten equipment could produce hundreds or thousands of gem soldiers and technicians with out notice.

Time travel technology and prescience abilities are also in their capability.

A rose quartz could turn native plant life against the natives.

Gems are not to be taken lightly.

>>92681397
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEgwxGWgiIg

>>92681405
yes, but could they kill golden experience requiem?

>>92681282
>implying Discord wouldn't turn the invading Gems into rock candy

>>92680815
They'd slaughter them most likely. Then again we haven't seen a Geode Weapon in action. Judging from ground forces and all the other stuff though the Irken have the edge.

>>92681115
I could just imagine what the fuck Nurgle and Slaneesh would do

Nurgle: Oooo is that a gem mutation thing? That is so adorable! I'll make something even better! Yay!

Slaneesh: <insert horrific depraved thing here>

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>>92681434
Could they kill a girl?

>>92681584
Tzeentch would be more interested in gem mutations since they can already be corrupted by sound waves.

Nurgle would feel nothing but sadness and pity for the gems since they have no physical bodies to receive is gifts.

>>92680815
Homeworld reaction: "What a bunch of fucking idiots."
>fucking idiots turn out to be completely merciless militaristic race of compassionless egomaniacs
>unpredictable enough to be a fucking nightmare in war. The diamonds are faced with senseless unreasonable donutmunching horror the likes of which they have never seen

>steven attempts zim redemption anyway
>zim destroys everything he loves
>steven's entire worldview changes and he becomes a hardened space mercenary

>>92681010
Arent canon star wars things really fucking broken though?

Then ya throw in shit like Force shenanigans then it becomes overkill

The main chance the gems have against the Sith / Empire is the same thing that helps out every other fucking faction that goes against them

Hope that they kill each other and weaken themselves which they pretty much do 95% of the time

the instances they don't they just crush everyone

>>92681652
No kidding

heck even that one guy managed to infiltrate that rat people planet

honestly why they didn't decide to make Zim a soldier or make up some "special" position for him as a destructive force is beyond me. Zim is fucking dangerous when he has someone point him at a target rather than being left to his own devices

>>92681694
Because he's short

>>92681646
>Implying Nurgle wouldn't find a way

Never underestimate Papa Nurgle when it comes to that shit

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>>92681595
I don't understand. Is that supposed to be an insult?

hmm.
The Borg: It's impossible to assimilate gem race.
Xenomorphs: I'm not sure. Gem would not make very good hosts.
Aku's Empire: High possibly.
Arachnids: 50/50
Covenant: long war.

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they'd hold off on their own

>>92681707
Yeah but he almost destroyed their homeplanet and killed a fuck ton of other invaders he should not be regarded as a weakling hes basically an exterminates with ADD.

>>92681827
Not only that but I believe he also killed the previous Tallest didn't he?

Just give him an Arbiter esque position. Suicide soldier sent on super dangerous missions but he always gets it done

>>92681812
Do people still play that?

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I guess it all comes down to who gets the quickest victory. Strogg ain't got shit to work with the gems unless they found some way to hook them up with a bunch of machinery but they have superior military forces. Gems would have to play the long game and let them rot to win it.

>>92681776
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ1ajz4L_cI

>>92680644
Not weak, just not threatening in the big scope.

At best they're city level individually. There tech also tops out at FTL travel.

>>92680810
Say the events of HL1 leading up to the 7 hour war happen on the earth in SU and the Combine find out about the Gems through the crystal gems. And how would the CG's handle the synths?

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>>92680521

At first there would be hostility, but -

>>92682011
>handle the synths
Depending on what synths you're talking about they wouldn't really be too difficult to handle assuming gems can take bullets well which is anyone's guess. I think the one deciding factor would be the Gman, it'll pretty much be his decision on whether or not those space rocks are worth saving, and knowing him they probably wouldn't be unless if something happens that gets him to take an interest in them. But everything basically boils down to the Gman's decision and his potential "employers".

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>>92680521
Optimus: Stop trying to hack our systems

Megatron: DECEPTICONS! Harvest the talking Energon. Then melt down their tech so we can construct a giant statue of Optimus Prime with my ball bearings in his faceplate!

Constructicons: If Fusion's a cheap tactic, then I don't ever want to be pricy!

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>>92680865

These guys had interstellar space travel 10,000 years ago. They only hunt to hold on to their souls.

So I imagine they're about equal in terms of technology.

>>92680918

- Change shape
- Have a 'Spark Core'
- Can combine with each other into larger, stronger forms
- Seemingly made for conquest

>TFW the Gems are one of the Thirteen Tribes

Also this.

>>92681999
GER could TOTALLY kill a girl

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>>92680521
If non /co/ related races are allowed, I could see the Gremlins from Spiral Knights being able to match them.
>Countless number of minions
>Able to build even more soldiers like the Mecha Knights and Lumbers
>Are a dangerous combination of smart and crazy
>Gremlin Menders are able to not only heal in large groups but revive fallen comrades
>Posses two massive guns called the Roarmulus Twins

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Gem homeworld vs Burning Legion

Who wins?

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>>92680521
"What's this? An abject lack of Democracy all up in this sector? This will not stand! We're going to give you bauble bastards so much freedom down your throats, you will choke on it despite your lack of lungs!"

>>92681023

...I always wondered about how his skull kind of looks like a gemstone.

>>92681100

Yikes. I hear the music.

>>92681405
>Shatter requires an impact of over 40,000 joules. I did the math from Amethyst's fall.

You. I like you.

How did you work out her weight, though?

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>>92680521
Depends, are gems spiral beings?

>>92682182
Oh jeez I wonder...HMMMMM...woah..HMMMMM maybe.... Maybe its the unlimited force with a uncomparable talent for the corruption of all types of matter.

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>>92682213
I dont even think they have DNA as we understand it.
Arent they hard light manifestations of a consciousness contained in a gem like core?

That being said, all spiral life forms like humans, anti-spirals, and orkz, would destroy the gems.

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>>92680521
Sub-atomic annihilation seems to be universally effective.

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>>92680521
>How would other fictional alien races react to
Overwhelming violence and numbers for the first wave, planned attacks to probe for weakness for the second, rinse and repeat until the queen decides to switch things up with an ambush

>and fare against the gems?
If we're talking ground battles then it could go either way if they've established a full hive world with a Queen Mother. They're well and fucked if the gems can wipe the planet from space though. However at that point the gems would lose the world that they wanted to colonize.

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>>92681195
speaking of Jojo, what about Mikitaka?
He would probably just chill on gemworld and no one would pay him any mind.

He is a kinda androgynous shapeshifting alien... is Mikitaka a gem?

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>>92682282
>xenomorph somehow adapts enough to gestate inside a gemstone
>gem-xenomorphs

gems arent biologica, would this be possible? would this be the worst thing to ever happen?

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>>92682260
>that pic
If you're reading this, you are now imagining Coop going on one of his rolls as he faces off against a fleet of home world ships spearheaded by yellow diamond herself. You're welcome.

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>>92681844
yes holy fuck
newfags leave
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/117900

>>92682344
Discussed this in a different thread. Gem has to be willing to be impregnated. I'm still banking on it happening because one of the diamonds sees these things skittering around and how they breed and forces a subordinate to be impregnated to see what happens.

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>>92682315
Do the gems have gambling problems that constitute a need for fake, shapeshifting, alien dice?

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>>92680521
Yautja would likely kidnap gems for reusable prey.

>destroy the body
>store the core gem for later hunts

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>>92682348
>first you threaten to blow up my planet
>then you try to kill my little buddy steven,
>and worst of all, you smash his dad's car wash!

>Coop, you did that.

>i thought it would fit...

>>92682410
>Pearl in the back seat hyperventilating at the fact that Steven is in this giant death machine about to fight the gems
>Amethyst excited as fuck for the brawl to come
>Garnett's just calmly buckling in Steven with Kiva's help
Never before have I wanted something so badly.

>>92682514
>Megas wielding massive Rose Sword and Shield, and multiple light cannons strapped to it.

Robots make everything better.

>>92682182
Race of lady gem people who are having trouble on supplies etc VS Massive army of multiple alien demon races that are capable of incredible damage and corruption. They also can't be perma killed unless you have access to legendary weapons / crazy ass magic / kill them on their home turf. Oh yeah and their leader is a guy who can potentially cleave planets in half

Gee I fucking wonder

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>>92681282

>>92681812
>>92681844
I've never played it before, is it any good?

>>92681115
Khorne: THEY DO NOT EVEN BLEED. THIS IS BORING. IM GOING HOME.
Tzeentch: Tiny pebbles of resistance precipitating the collapse of a monolithic interstellar society? Can't believe I didn't have a hand in this.
Nurgle: ...they're rocks. Can they mold? No? Ugh, bo-ring.
Slaanesh: CRYSTAL COCKS IN ASSHOKES THAT DONT EXIST MHMHMHMHMMMMMMYESSSS

>>92682514
>Implying the gems wouldn't form Alexandrite so they can fight back to back with Megas

>>92682887
Also a viable option, but only if Jamie tries to hit on her while she's around. Truth be told Coop's dome this kind of thing a dozen times over by now, it's not like he'd actually need the back up, but hey, I won't say not to alien rock future robot tag team.

>>92681128
>he doesn't know that Thrawn was an infantry squad leader early in his career

>>92682815
it's comfy and fun
it's f2p and an MMO so there be a few points of grinding but that's it
and I have over 900+ hour in the game

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>>92681405
>Shatter requires an impact of over 40,000 joules
The shattering of a hard, brittle object requires high force but typically low energy, as brittle failure only requires the disruption of a tiny volume of material cohesion. The hardness involved means that applying energy to disrupting the structure is difficult, as other parts of the system deform preferentially. A handgun bullet impacting a gem would deliver less energy than Amethyst's fall, but the force experienced by the gem at impact would be much higher. Consider the results of hitting a chunk of glass with a large rubber mallet vs. a small (hardened steel) ball peen hammer. The greater energy of the mallet goes almost entirely into deforming the rubber as it presses against the glass, while the greater stiffness of the steel (~4x that of glass) means that most of the energy goes into deforming the glass. Since glass is brittle, even a modest hit from a steel hammer can shatter it because it can actually apply its energy to breaking the glass. Care to post your math?

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>>92680521
Pic related wouldn't care, and probably wouldn't notice.

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>>92683566
This guy is better.

>>92683696

Oooohhhhhh....

>>92680521
How about Star-fleet making first contact with the Gem Empire?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4pKq0sEjuA

>>92681207
just king cold doing the CSI miami thing with the "precious gem" line.

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>>92680521
>Space Pirates
How soon would the science team soak them in Phazon?

>>92680521
ze balmary empire sues them for stealing their septuagint idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYF0CLNN_rI

>>92681663
>Arent canon star wars things really fucking broken though?

Not really, especially not that the EU has been obliterated from canon.

Star Wars fans used to spit out arbitrary numbers for their guns written by writers that, for all intents and purposes, may as well have not seen the original movies. All that has been removed from canon now.

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>>92684347
>Star Wars fans used to spit out arbitrary numbers for their guns written by writers that, for all intents and purposes, may as well have not seen the original movies
Not entirely arbitrary. You know the part where the Death Star blows up Alderaan? With the chunks of planet flying out at a good fraction of the speed of light? Turns out, if you apply physics to that, the Death Star puts out more power than a typical galaxy while firing, and one shot per day requires a power core roughly equivalent to three million Suns. If you scale that down (constant power/volume) to a star destroyer, you get a ship that can resurface a terrestrial planet inside a day via orbital bombardment. Which is a thing that happens in some stories.

Another thing that happens is the second Death Star's construction building more in space each hour than the Federation did over its entire history. "Grand fantasy adventure IN SPACE" kind of requires broken technology to make it work the way it's supposed to, narratively. Star Wars is far from the craziest, but it's pretty crazy by modern sci fi standards.

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>>92680521
>"Hello, citizens of (Insert name of Gem colony planet here). My race, The Blarg, have a small problem. Our planet has become so polluted, overpopulated, and poisonous that we are no longer dwell here. But I, Chairman Drek, have a solution! We are constructing a pristine new world using the choicest planetary components available.
>So what does this mean for you, you might ask? Using highly advanced technology, the likes of which you couldn't possibly understand, we will be extracting a large portion of your planet and adding it to our new one!
>Unfortunately, this change in mass will cause your planet to spin out of control and drift into the sun where it will explode a flaming ball of gas. But, of course sacrifices must be made...
>Thank you for your cooperation!
>And if you don't like it you can take your whiny, sniveling, snot-nosed population, form a line behind me and KISS MY A-
>We're still on? WELL THEN TURN IT OFF ALREADY, YOU IDIOT!

Now that I'm thinking about it, a lot of the races from the series could do some serious damage to Gemkind.

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If the gems' hardlight and weapons body are a form of psychic power, and the inverse relation between psychic power and psychic resistance is universal, the Trolls only need to send Psiionics to completly neutralize the gems.

If not, then it might be a more difficult fight, but the Alternians have an edge in their pure burtality and insanity.

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>>92680521
Homeworld would try to establish a colony on Mar Sara or Chau Sara or some shit and thus invoke the ire of the glorious Confederacy. Since 90% of them are convicts, the military would probably be more focused on raping the beautiful alien women than trying to kill them. Homeworld's warriors would poof instantly upon being impaled by cybernetically enhanced, stimmed up Marine dicks.

>>92684560
>If you scale that down (constant power/volume) to a star destroyer, you get a ship that can resurface a terrestrial planet inside a day via orbital bombardment.

However, this is inconsistent with what we've seen in the films/series. We've seen the damage a turbolaser does when it hits things, and it's nowhere near that magnitude.

>Which is a thing that happens in some stories.

Doesn't Han himself say in the first movie that you'd need literally every ship in the Imperial navy to destroy a planet?

>>92682282
I seriously doubt xenomorphs would be able to "impregnate" the anorganic gems. And say what you will but I'd say the diamons would be farsighted and ruthless enough to just wipe out all organic life on planets that came in contact with xenos.

>>92682844
>>92681115
Slanessh:Fusion. I fucking love it.

Starts fusing Eldar Spirit stones..

>>92685332
Not him but...
>Doesn't Han himself say in the first movie that you'd need literally every ship in the Imperial navy to destroy a planet?
To turn a planet into rubble? Yes, but he said resurface i.e. fuck up everything touched by the sun.

A single day to accomplish that with a single Star Destroyer seems like a stretch imo (maybe if we leave out oceans?) but there are planetary shields in that universe for a reason and damn near any "laser" in Star Wars has controllable output.

You can never really compare a gem's strength to another alien species because of how inconsistent the show is regarding their resilience. You have rubies surviving atmospheric re entry yet they get poofed by swords, garnet can swim through molten rock yet amethyst gets poofed frombeing squeezed by a tentacle gem monster, jasper survived being at the heart of a massive explosion and getting punched over the horizon by lapis yet gets poofed when peridot stabs her with a metal bar (unless corrupt gems are weaker)

>>92680925
If you stick a gem in an object, the gem can't reform. Like Lapis in that mirror. Or Rose in Steven. Or that Topaz in the Lighthouse.

>>92685972
Ruby and by extension Garnet have heat resistance due to their magical affinity for heat.

>>92686385
So does jasper apparently who survived a big ass explosion

>>92686407
Actually, Jasper is just tough as balls. Corruptions being weaker is probably canon, which is how Peridot won that fight.

>>92686407
Also, gems are weak to cutting and piercing weapons and resistant to concussive force and blunt trauma. Imagine them like big tough balloons.

>>92686450
Or like Spider-Man.

That said, I think the only time we've seen a Gem get cut was by one of Pearl's swords, which aren't necessarily mundane weapons. And it had the driving force of a hardlight construct of roughly Pearl's strength behind it.

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>>92684252
>Science Team making science, implanting the fallen gemstones right into their bodies
>drinking Space Kool Aid made from crushed up gems

>>92685972
Another thing to note is that we still haven't seen the 'baseline' of soldier-type Gems.

Pearl can fight and is clearly superhuman, but she's basically a talking handbag.

Garnet is a fusion.

Amethyst is apparently the standard warrior type Gem, but she's flawed to an unknown degree.

Jasper is a warrior type Gem, but she's apparently the opposite of Amethyst, in that she came out perfect.

Lapis is a mobile terraforming device.

Peridot is a technician.

Steven's half human.

>>92686652
Regular Amethysts were seen in the Zoo episodes. They were regarded as dumb and rowdy because they were from Earth, but were perfectly average physically.

>>92686651
How does TUUUUUUBES come into play?

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>>92686560
Jasper by a sharp piece of scrap metal (albeit of gem manufacture)
>>92686651
>end up with half their shit/test subjects possessed by insane gem fragments
SCIIIEEENCCEEE
>they actually succeed in making a steven tier abomination
OH NO

>>92686684
Yeah, but we never saw what they can do.

>>92686716
>Jasper by a sharp piece of scrap metal (albeit of gem manufacture)

Yeah, true, but she was heavily corrupted by that point.

Untainted Jasper was manhandling several corrupted quartz monsters at once, and had managed to cow dozens of them into submission, so there's clearly some degree of physical degeneration involved.

>>92680724
SPACE GODZILLA?!!?!?

>>92680724

That motherfucker is probably White Diamond's favorite pet. She's got an entire underground ocean where she breeds whales to feed him as treats, and there's an army of Pearls waiting to polish all his scales whenever he gets back from terrorizing a planet.

He sleeps in a gigantic basket at the foot of her bed.

>>92686758
How do we see the corrupted monster of the weeks from earlier get poofed? Sadie stabs one with a sharpened stick, Garnet rips one's gem out, another gets impaled on some glass shards.

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>>92686715
Inspired by the Gems' ability to produce weaponry right from their bodies, as well as their earlier attempts to replicate Samus' technology, the Pirates experiment with implanting tubes directly into their bodies to be drawn as weapons at will. It works out as well as could be expected.

>>92686828
Imagine Lapis, now poof her and put her gem on the back of a Space Pirate soldier. She quickly controls his feeble mind and now you have an angry violent sociopath with insane water powers and space pirate durability. Also they can fly.
>Samus fights this abomination
>Thinks the blue gem is a powerup
>Varia suit fucking absorbs that bitch, now the Hunter has... a water beam? Maybe it'd give space jump. I could buy that.
Now I want a Metroid where Samus is stuck in the middle of a massive conflict where both sides hate her.

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>>92686716
>Space Pirates going around doing pic related to all the corrupted mutant gems produced as a byproduct of all their tinkering

Is Samus on the gems' side? If not then Space Pirates sciencestomp all over them.

>>92687724
Samus is a rogue third party
The Crystal Gems hate her because she's using defeated gems as power-ups and they haven't realized they can talk to her
The Space Pirates hate her because THE HUNTER
Homeworld hates her because they don't realize Samus and the Space Pirates are enemies, also Samus would oppose Homeworld's expansionist tendencies.

Is there a space empire that can't walk all over the gems? I feel like nt because earth's military alone could roll over their arsenal and armor. Supreme space travel does jack shit if all it does is instantly bring you to places that can kill you quickly.

>>92687809
We have never seen the Gem Homeworld's full military might, we don't even know what Gem War would look like on an industrial scale, instead of just a small rebellion for a single planet.

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Even all tubes memeposting aside, one Prime-style Space Pirate could probably wreck a whole squad of Gems singlehandedly.

>>92680521
seems like a pretty impossible question to answer considering we have never really seen the scale of the gem military we have just seen like two groups of jobbers sent to a backwater that was half expected to explode at any second

Also we still have literally no clue just how powerful the Diamonds are

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>>92680521
The Krankor would wreck them.

>>92680815
Their spaceship can literally go through the Sun's core with nothing but a few scorch marks to show for it.
Technologically speaking, the Ikren Empire stomps.

>>92681842
Two of them, in fact.
Entirely by accident and using the same invention twice.
Then again, The Tallest are just regular Irkens in robotic suits. Zim, Red and Purple were classmates.

>>92680918
They'd stomp the Diamond Authority, but I feel like a completely unhinged Gem Offensive could do some damage. Fusion is more than a cheap tactic after all.

>>92681024
>Hybrids can fuse with both organics and gems. Furthermore, humans can be altered from the ground up via genetic alteration. It may be possible to bind replication coding to silicate structures and grow gems of a limited variety extremely quickly.

>>92681035
He'd "accidentally" fuse with the Cluster to become the Dark Crystal. A being of unimaginable power and malice.

>>92681128
He'd totally start a second rebellion and later draft the survivors into the Empire.

>>92680765
well no fucking shit.
my question is what would the inquisition do with greg and steven

>>92688617
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xEj_Z1ywFk

True, but the Cybertronian Civil has raged on for eons. The Decepticons are often seen as the more militarized force between Autobots and themselves. The Cons would have extensive experience in combat.

>>92689441
Whoops, I forgot "war". *Cybertronian Civil War

>>92687833
One of the invader ships gets taken down by some of the shoddiest ways sabotage ever and takes a billion years to shoot a dinky laser when compared to missiles.

Safe to say unless they have billions of ships and kamikaze their way to fights, they're fucked against your old regular space empire.

>>92689682
You don't know how strong that attack was

>>92688123
Just bigger targets.

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Another excuse to post my GalCiv3 overhaul mod.

The recent expansion really helped with getting unique dialogue for each faction, but the actual ship designer has been making it difficult. Still, making progress.

>>92685702
I've already said that it would require forced body modification and experimentation by a diamond or superior caste onto a lower gem caste, keep up anon. That being said, xenomorphs aren't exactly a standard biological being either, what with being silicone based, acid blooded life forms, but I digress. The issue isn't the process so much as it is the *result*. A gem-xeno would make a corrupted gem look tame in comparison. Yeah, the diamonds might just start glassing planets with even a hint of xeno infestation, but it's not likely that they'd start there unless they've been BTFO by the space cockroaches before and know how costly a fight would be. The gems do still need resources after all.

>>92690072
That chozo artifact design is exclusive to Tallon IV, you need to find a new one.

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>>92682410
>>92682514
>>92683026
>tfw Coop grabs a couple of the smaller hand ships and smashes them over Megas' hands and uses them like boxing gloves to punch the fuck out of Yellow Diamond's flagship

>>92685332
>We've seen the damage a turbolaser does when it hits things
We've seen what the small turbolasers dotted around star destroyers' hulls do when hitting things. The big turrets on either side of the superstructure have never been shown firing. But anyway, the usual targets are other ships, which are usually equippoed with shields, and are made of imaginary materials that don;t have to respond like reap-world things do. In particular, what's shown on-screen implies vastly stronger materials. Bigger ships and the Death Star don't quite need something as strong as scrith, but what they need is closer to scrith than to diamond. And these small turbolasers easily vaporize asteroids. And I mean actual vapor that disperses into space without leaving debris here. thermodynamically, the only weapons that are similar in energy yield to that in reality are tactical nukes. Nukes in an atmosphere are just much more efficient at converting energy to blast than directed-energy weapons in a vacuum.

>Doesn't Han himself say in the first movie that you'd need literally every ship in the Imperial navy to destroy a planet?
The actual line is, "You'd need a thousand ships with more firepower than--". The usual number given for the kind of star destroyer seen at the beginning of Episode IV is 25,000, most of which would have been occupied patrolling the million-odd inhabited systems of the Empire. Actually gathering that many into a fleet to do something would have been unheard of. But at any rate, the quote implies that Han thinks the technological potential to destroy a planet via short-term bombardment exists, but that no one has actually assembled something with the firepower to do it.

>>92690955
>And these small turbolasers easily vaporize asteroids. And I mean actual vapor that disperses into space without leaving debris here.

Just a note, but the 'proof' for this is the visual effect of the space explosions in Episodes 4-6. Which were only like that due to the technological constraints of the time. If you look at, for example, the scene in Episode 2 where Slave-I is chasing Obi-Wan through an asteroid field, you'll see that the lasers are definitely not completely vaporizing asteroids. You can see this in the way explosions are done in the new films, too.

The same applies to Alderaan exploding.

It's pretty clear that nobody working on Episodes 4-6 ever intended for everything to be made of superduper metals and for standard blasters to be super annihilation deathrays like the EU numbered them at. In these films they don't even punch through trees, FFS.

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>>92680521
>binary screeching

>>92684004

"Ugly bags of mostly water"

>>92688617

It depends on the WHEN, too. After four million years of war, circa 'All hail Megatron', the core of the Decepticon had been whittled down to a few dozen truly powerful warriors.

But the Decepticon Constellate at the height of its power controlled a significant portion of the Galaxy.

The Gempire appears to gradually conquer, meeting relatively insignificant opposition; the Transformers fought a civil war for millions of years. Some of their warriors are effectively moving cities.

...course, Peridot spoke of the Cluster as "a single Geo-weapon" as if it was simply one example in a category.

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>>92680521
Slightly off topic but what rank/power would a kryptonite Gem hold? I'd imagine they'd be rare and get more powerful when exposed to radiation

>>92693019
Remember how relient on technology the gems are now the Decepticons would use that to their advantage for stealth and surprise attacks, hell just get a small one to disguise as a peridot limb and just wait.

>>92689389
They would Blam Steven for being an annoying little pussy shit who wants to befriend every asshole Xeno he meets and has no interest in fighting for Mankind's superiority (and also for being a heretical abomination). And Greg would be turned into an Eversor and his MurderCock used as the ultimate Gemkilling weapon.

Several of them in fiction would run an easy train on the gem empire before the conquering species fight each other. Gempire is bottom barrel shit on the interplanetary scale, like may everything have mercy on them if they went up against the Covenant.

But if it was just interacting then some of the nicer empires would just show their force and strong arm them into cooperation.

>>92693200
rare indeed. as the process for making gems seems to be at least partially related to the natural processes to creating real gemstones (heat+pressure over time underground). Kryptonite was created during the violent and unusual explosion of Krypton. Not sure how Homeworld would be able to adapt their gem production process to replicate such an event and still give said gem a controlled personality.

>>92680674
Orks wouldn't even bother with them, they don't have any weapons to loot, unless you count their gemstones... Looted Gems?

>>92681652
>steven attempts zim redemption anyway
>zim destroys everything he loves
>steven's entire worldview changes and he becomes a hardened space mercenary
I imagine their next encounter being like Tak.
>You ruined my life!
>What?

>>92693814
Lel, Covenant are lowtier as fuck.

Considering that the Gems seem to have the ability to just break the shit out of physics, I kinda get the impression that Halo factions would find them impossible to deal with.

Lapis alone can do what requires a sustained bombardment by a whole fleet of Covenant vessels.

>>92680815
>>92681652
The gems would probably start off laughing, then get their asses kicked, and then the Gen 1 gems would use shapeshifting to impersonate Irkens which would turn the tides.

Because I have no reason to believe Irkens are any better at seeing through disguises than the people they deceive.

>>92680617
But gems can actually live on non barren planets, unlike the grox. Considering characters like rose can do weird plant controlly stuff and lapis can control water they could combat them by messing up their atmosphere or by messing with the metal they're made of.

>>92694077
Forerunners and the Covenant definitely have access to weaponry that would make the Gems shit themselves.
Both factions are capable of wiping out solar systems in a considerably short amount of time, as well as the amount of hax the forerunner have with their mastery of slipspace technology and hardlight technology.
Best Outcome, Covenant simply glasses the Gem Homeworld.
Worst Outcome, The Forerunners isolate the homeworld in a plane of slipspace which is completely separate from our own universe.

vilgax would curbstomp them all by himself.

>>92681243
But could Kars become a gem himself since he is the ultimate lifeform?

>>92694077
Lapis alone can get the fleets wet while they roflslipspace near her, obliterating everything around them and then coming back to do everyone else dirty by glassing the shit out of hand factories.

>>92694444
No, he's the ultimate EARTH lifeform.

>>92694012
Orkz Love Fights and flashy Bitz, both of which the Gems can provide.

>>92682372
I imagine it would fuck up though? Like doesn't the xeno need to incubate in the stomach and if it takes the "dna" of the gem it would fuse before it has time to fuly form. It would probably die outside of a body before its ready to pop out right?

>>92694077
Covenant are low tier compared to WH40K armies but that won't stop them from serving a traditional plate of glassing the shit out of everything in their path.

Wonder how the space pirates would go about conquering gems? Do they research, conquer and keep them alive for more research, or do they research conquer and destroy because they got all the research? Either way, gems won't do jack shit unless they have Samus on speedial.

Against every other race the gem empire will have dignity in war even if they lose.

Though they will ask the high heavens how they got slammed by idiots if it came to the Irken Armada, TUUUUUBE Pirates and Orgz.

>>92694154
I like that, actually. Would be more fun to watch.

>>92694595
Control over all organic life. He'll figure something out when it comes to space things, but not if they're a bunch of rocks.

>>92694345
When Peridot was trying to convince YD to let up on Earth, she said it would be wasteful to destroy the planet for just one Cluster. Which means they have more of those. More giant eldritch abominations "much much larger than the Earth."

Forerunners would beat the shit out of Gems, but Covenant are nothing in this discussion.

>>92694562
He probably meant that Lapis can do the job of a Covenant fleet on her own. As in, she can exterminate all life on a planet single-handedly.

>>92694989
Also, he's underestimating the power of ice missiles that Lapis can throw.

>>92694012
Yeah they'd want the shinies

and the Gems can fight so that's a good enough reason to get into a scrap with them

>>92681812
>Changing the angel guy to the generic starter kit for the final
Fucking Sega or whoever the fuck was in charge of that

>>92695316
He's underestimating everything about her.

She got back to Homeworld, which is in another galaxy, in under a year, so she's capable of some insanely fast FTL. A Gem like her could enter a planet's orbit without notice and just rip all water from its surface instantly, rendering it utterly uninhabitable to the Covenant races.

>>92695459
She didn't fly all the way there, she only flew to the nearest Galaxy Warp.

>>92681195
Rubies can survive in space, Kars can't

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>>92696211
Oh, he can survive just fine. He just can't do anything beyond float around. Alone. Endlessly.

Forever.

>>92682887
Well, I know what I'm asking for in the next drawfag thread

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>>92680521
Insects get squashed.

>>92689389

Steven would be killed as soon as they found out his nature. Unless the old fluff about the potentially half eldar human governor is still active, and even then if its the inquisition he's dead.

>>92695459
She went through some warp shit and you can bet your ass the Covenant would roast her ass for taking water, something that they all don't even probably need, just butthurt about it being taken. Do you even fucking know how slow Lapis is compared to a simple Cov Ghost? She would never be able to outrun them. Plus you and I both know those ice missiles will just be hindrances.

And these are considered the not too powerful space empires, imagine if Orkz or the Irk level conquerors get in on the action.

>>92685972

I think we can safely say that environmental effects like heat, pressure, and atmosphere can't touch them. Heat or pressure effects have never shown to really harm them.

Piercing attacks seem to be their Achilles heel. But I agree with you that they are super inconsistent.

>>92696560
>half eldar human governor
I thought that was a Space marine Librarian?

>Mass Effect
Join the council or get rekt by them. Alternately, get assblasted by reapers.

>Space Pirates
Conquered and researched, researched then conquered, researching while fighting it doesn't matter. Space Pirate win and they'll do it with tubes and SCIENCE.

>WH40K
Which faction wouldn't steamroll the Gem empire.

>Covenant
Melting rocks is their specialty, on to the next gem outpost and so on.

>Star Trek
Probably one of the few chances the gem empire has if the federation fights them. Or they all lose because of Kirk dickings or Picard strategies.

>Irk empire
Massive roflstomps through the entire army , 0 chance of beating them even if Zim was on the Irk side.

>Color Corp
Initial confusion due to the color based gems but god help them if they go up against red lanterns or Kyle by himself.

>EU Star Wars
No hope against the eldritch level stations that exist.

>Spiral based empire at the end of TTGL
Gems cannot win this.

>Coop
Most one sided battle in the entirety of matchups with Coop's victory. Can't get more factual than this.

>>92687809

The gems seem really incompetent, like they have a full military dictatorship ruled supremely by a couple figureheads, but they still go through the effort of running a trial on steven, and can't be bothered to send a decent strike force to earth, even though its been shown that homeworld to earth travel can occur in like an hour.

Gemverse humans are even more retarded though. Not a single one shows even a remote sense of cunning, strategy, or sense. so if you raised everybody in that universes competency comparatively to standard human base competency, they might actually be pretty dangerous.

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or any of the races from sc2

>>92696754
Someone big from the show will read this and throw all that out the window in a butthurt fit.

>>92696732

Wow, that was a mistake. Why would you ever initiate a mutant like a hybrid into the space marines? I hope it was a governor, that would at least make sense.

>>92696888
It was from the EARLY EARLY EARLY fluff, back when there was only Rogue Trader, and it was a Space Marine Librarian. There are of course, other hybrids I'm sure, but you don't hear much about them.

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>>92696888
Nope, it was a librarian. I can see why this was retconned.

>>92696754
>Probably one of the few chances the gem empire has if the federation fights them. Or they all lose because of Kirk dickings or Picard strategies.

The federation would have a hard time losing. They would probably waffle on total eradication and just go diplomatic, but I the standard federation exploration vessel is equipped to deal with gem tech.

Teleporters and torpedoes alone would completely destroy them, I'm pretty sure the only gems shown to have active shielding have all been imprisoned.

>>92696754
>thinking Gems could beat Star Trek but get rekt by Mass Effect or Covenant

Dude, what?

Star Trek shit would absolutely roast anything in ME or post-Forerunner Halo.

>>92681115
That's how slanesh looks ?

>>92697001
The Handship seemed to have some kind of shielding.

Honestly, I'd eat my hat if a species capable of building ships that can go from one galaxy to another in an afternoon can't into defensive screens.

>>92681405
Oh yeah... time travel

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>>92689389
Easy.

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The real question is, what crimes would the Diamonds be charged with after their defeat?

>>92681405

Gems clearly have a really dangerous power set. Nobody is arguing against that.

But they are clearly pretty terrible at organization, strategy, logistics, and advancing their technology. The gempire is really hampered by resource shortages, and seem to rely on their natural abilities way too much, without really considering the tactical implications of other gems strengths.

Plus, for being a race that aren't impacted at all by environment, they appear to be really, really picky about locations to plant kindergartens. Their whole empire only has like, 50 planets. and earth only had 2 functioning kindergartens.

>>92697035
Sometimes

>>92697292
Would they?

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>>92680521
>shattered gems used to fuel the growth of Zerg organisms
>resulting Zerg spontaneously develop hard-light projection capabilities

>>92697059

>The Handship seemed to have some kind of shielding.

I don't remember that, It just held itself out palm up to block beams. otherwise it just tanked shots by being sturdy.

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You are not Orz.

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>>92680521
There is nothing in binary to convey the level of fucked they and everything else would be.
>>92697586
Good answer.

Good luck defeating Pikmin when you become their fuel and yellows come in.

No gg, Gempire.

>>92681405
>Shatter requires an impact of over 40,000 joules. I did the math from Amethyst's fall.
That was before we found out Lapis got cracked by being stepped on.

>>92698022
Lapis, as a stone, is very weak. Amethysts are significantly harder and tougher.

How would the Kzinti, Kilrathi, or Caitians fare?

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>>92684637

And don't forget this gem...

>Robotic citizens of the Gem Empire, the hour of your liberation is at hand! Too long have we robots suffered under the bigotry, the stupidity, the rigidness and foul stench of Gemkind!
>Soon all robots will bask in the liberty and equality of my benevolent, IRON-FISTED RULE!
>And as for you filthy Gems, YOU can look forward to being DISINTEGRATED! MUAHAHAHAHA!
>That's all for now...

And knowing where that went, he'd probably find a way to make his Biobliterator work on Gemkind.

>>92698050
Regardless, those are the only two instances of a gem being cracked we've seen, so it's hard to gauge how much force it takes. It's probably far, far less than 40,000 joules.

Plus, the breaking point was supposedly able to outright shatter them. Any race with weapons stronger than that would be able to make sure they don't regenerate pretty easily.

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>>92698176

And the last one, this one featuring Tachyon from ToD.

>Greetings, inferior beings of the Gem Empire. Does your life lack a sense of purpose? Do you constantly worry about finding steady income? Do you like killing stuff? Then join the imperial army and aid me in my humble quest of intergalactic domination. Here you'll travel to new places, meet interesting people, and execute them in the name of... ME.
Hold the phone! Did you just say that I could meet interesting people?
>Why, yes I did, renowned Gem warrior Jasper!
That sounds terrific! Tell me more!
>It's simple... Somewhere in this universe is Gemkind's filthy secret for fighting off my race and preserving their own existence! As an official Tachyon Trooper your job will be to ravage every planet until it is found! Leave no stone unturned! No rebel spared! EXTERMINATE ANYONE WHO STANDS IN YOUR WAY!
>All for a tidy salary and competitive benefits package.
Wow... all that and travel too?
>Indeed! Take Planet Earth in the Sol System for example... Our spies have learned that the secret may be hidden here in an abandoned Gem Temple. If you sign up by tonight, you can join in on the raid!
Emperor Tachyon is an equal opportunity oppressor.

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If we're on the subject of videogames, I wonder how the Furon Empire would fare?
I think we all know Crypto's newly-restored Furon genitalia would murdercock the Gempire into full submission.

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>>92690072
Nova seems weird in that setup, considering he's a solo agent. Should use Dedede's symbol, or something.

>everyone saying that x race they name would destroy the entire gem empire in a second no questions asked

I ain't saying that the gems could take on everything but god damn, at least accept that they have certain immunities

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>>92699022
I'm using it to represent Haltmann Works. I might change it to their proper "H" logo later.

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>Your shiny rocks are nothing compared to our moon rocks. Being within a five mile radius of even one moon rock will increase your fertility tenfold. Not that we need it, of course. But you probably do.

>Err, drive us closer to that beached whale. Oh wait, it's just a crying child

>>92692805
>"Ugly bags of mostly water"
Kek, good one

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And here's another race that could be considered alien via a technicality.

I do remember seeing an explanation for this one, I'll see if I can find it.

>>92698845

Pretty well, they've conquered over 5,000 planets and are responsible for wiping out several alien species including the Martians.

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>>92699423
>>92692805
Now that I think about it, that's... actually a pretty apt comparison.

The Gems and the Microbrain, I mean.

>>92699763
Heartless is kind of cheating and you could also throw in Nobodies as part of it. Needless to say they'd fuck up the Gems

>>92682067
Fucking Starscream.

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>>92680521
Gems vs the Daleks. Who would win?

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If people can bring in video game and movies then I'm bringing in books

I don't think the Yeerks would give much attention to the Gems. They don't have brains in the usual sense so no using them as bodies, but maybe wrapping around the actual Gem would work?

If we're talking about just straight fights, then I'm not really sure. The Yeerks have Hork-Bajir which could easily poof some Gems, but the Hork-Bajir have been taken out by Earth Animals multiple times. Plus unless they destroy the actual Gem, they can just reform and continue fighting.
Now Taxxons would be a threat. They'd just consume the Gems, light and all. I assume they digest anything they eat near instantly, otherwise Gems could just reform in them.

Visser 3 I feel would be a big factor. He can change into thousands of different alien forms, one of them is bound to be good for killing Gems.

Really at the end of all this all I wonder is if Visser 3 would try to find the strongest Gem warrior, then try to acquire its 'DNA' or whatever Gems have.

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>>92699763

And I found it in the archive.

Pros
>Can appear and reappear at will.
>Can incorporate features native to the world they're in to strengthen themselves.
>Emblem Heartless can be defeated by conventional weapons, but can only be killed by a Keyblade or a powerful source of light (by KH's definition).
>Can create more of their kind by congregating in areas that have lots of darkness in them and by stealing hearts.
>Can destroy the world they're in by stealing its heart.
>They don't show emotion in any shape or form. They also target those who let their emotions get the better of them.

Cons
>Those that can control the darkness can command them, but only if they're not careless and they aren't in an area close to darkness.
>It takes time for Heartless to acclimate to the world they're in.
>They destroy universes.
>The production of Heartless can also produce Nobodies if a person's will is strong.

And as the original post said, I can see Yellow Diamond commanding them and experimenting on them, but if she fucks up Gemkind and their entire world is as good as dead.

>>92699958

That's why I mentioned that technicality, The Heartless aren't native to the part of existence that Gemkind would inhabit. We also have some interdimensional species here.

And after reading the above, I'm thinking about writing something about the Nobodies.

>>92700108
DALEKS CONQUER AND DESTROY!! DALEKS CONQUER AND DESTROY!!

>>92686450
I wonder if they behave like the shields from Dune. They stop any high-speed object or force instantly but will allow slow moving melee weapons through. This would explain Homeworld's love of energy and hand to hand weapons. It would also imply their current tactics are built around civil war. That's to be somewhat expected though.

>>92686651
This seems like a bad idea.

>>92687367
Cyborg hybrids that can manifest hard-light as weapons and change shape at will...

oh, oh no.

>>92694595
There is an organism on Earth than can hijack foreign DNA and integrate into its own. Kars would essentially be like Ben, touching any extraterrestrial organism and gaining an improved version of their ability. Kars, not only has the abilities of life, he surpasses them.

>>92693814
eh, they're literal glass cannons. If they teamed up with an empire with better ground units they'd raise hell. Remember, one of their terraforming units can pull a Terran of water every 6 hours. That's a feat.

>>92681842
He's too dangerous to keep alive, there was that one episode where he managed to corrupt the CONTROL BRAINS with his super ego.

>>92696570
The very act of pulling a planet's water into space would wreck any surface dwelling. If she pulled water from a moon somewhere nearby she could direct comets to glass the planet of her choice. That's one gem.

>>92680896
the helghast will somehow be written terribly despite the massive amounts of potential.

>>92700108
Daleks job to everything. Even stairs on occasion.

>>92700108
How would beings made of light react to being shot by a Laser? I feel that would be the deciding factor but I could be wrong

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>>92701432
>>92680896
The Helghast may look cool, but they will always be the inferior space Nazis.

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what if the gems took Kirby's cake

>>92701266
Well I mean they did send him off to some nowhere planet and let him live. Why not send him on suicide missions and possibly get something out of it if you are just going to do that anyway

yeah yeah I know the Irken heads aren't particularly bright when it comes to that sort of thing

>>92700315
He would, of course, fail. Gems are a hard counter as a society to the yeerks

>>92701555
Nah, I was also pondering this. It's hardlight, so wouldn't being shot with a laser just be the equivalent to being blasted with an intense source of heat? Ruby and Garnet could theoretically just shrug that off, but maybe being hit in the gem would have some more severe effects.
Not that Dalek lasers really work like that, but still.

>>92701474
>that reintroduction episode where it flew
Heavy sweating was experienced by all present.

>>92696808
> like they have a full military dictatorship ruled supremely by a couple figureheads, but they still go through the effort of running a trial on steven
I mean it's clearly a show trial. You can't expect he actually has a real chance to be acquitted.

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>>92701850
Probably because Zim is way, way too destructive. If you want to be technical, the first Operation Impending Doom for him would have been a suicide mission - seeing as how they sent Skoodge to the rat planet just for his height, and Zim is even shorter than that, in addition to his fuckups, it's pretty likely he was going to be sent to the absolute worst planet they wanted to conquer. He still fucked it up.

Zim being just sent off to Earth is by far the best option, because there's always the big issue of him managing to screw over the Irkens. Hell, he's on Earth, and he's still managed to fuck things up for them, like in Backseat Drivers From Beyond The Stars.

All in all, any mission Zim is on would probably screw over the Irkens to some extent. Kicking him as far away as possible just minimises the damage.

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>>92702011
It does depend on some factors. The Daleks would fare a good deal better if they had Davros and/or the Cult of Skaro, beings who would be better able to plan against their enemies. If we're going by weapons, their lasers could oneshot Cybermen, so it might be effective against other types of protected and less organic enemies.

>>92702160
Dalek Caan could be ridiculously powerful, if you could persuade him to actually work with the Daleks and not just gibber in prophetic riddles.. Davros would have to stop jobbing for all of five seconds to be of any use, however.

If we're going by weapons, isn't there a heavy variant with an enhanced beam? That could probably cause some serious damage to ships, if we're assuming that an average Dalek is at least as strong as Rose's light cannons.

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>on the ground floor of an escalation to Doctor Who factions

You'd think the right frequency on the Sonic Screwdriver would invalidate the "doesn't wound, doesn't kill, doesn't maim" clause.

>>92680521
They have fucking trouble with 3 fucking gems and fat gay crying kid. Anyone would rekt their ass.

The problem with the Diamond Authority is that they have amazing tech (time travel, costless duplication, etc) that they don't really seem to use all that much. Sadly the same could be said for many other antagonists, given the general 'need' for the protagonists to win.

>>92702713

In theory he could shatter them with sound, but the Doctor will most likely use a "destroy their hard light body and quickly place a cup over the resulting gem before it can reform" sort of trick to keep them locked up.

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Would they be able to at least kill off the Republican Space Rangers?

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>It's able to extend it's range all the way to the Jupiter orbit
They are fucked

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>>92697586
How is it that beaked lemons who talk about *happy campers* are the scariest thing in a game featuring the fucking Ur-Quan?

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Gems having fun and shit till these mother fuckers show up, glass their shit, and fuck them up.

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>>92703714
Covies get shit on a lot in these hypothetical matchup situations. They don't fuck around though, especially in the book lore.

>>92701648
I always saw it as ww1 desu’ two sides pitted in a struggle and neither side is really Good. Both act horrifically. The helghast are basically ww2 post-inflation germans locked in a ww 1 struggle.

>>92699763
I don't know who'd be a bigger threat, The Heartless by themselves or the Organization?

>>92705417

Heartless controlled by Organization XIII, but they're still dangerous on their own.

You're also forgetting that Maleficent, Pete, and Master Xehanort can control them too.

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Why does it just seem like this thread is "Let's shit on the Gems General"

Like let's actually logic this out for a second, Gems are
>Physically Immortal
>Need neither Air nor Gravity, Nor protection from Solar Radiation
>Can only really be destroyed if you brake their gems.
>Each one has either personal super powers of access to advanced technology that gives them an edge in battle.

And the truth is, we've never seen them in open warfare. We've heard stories and seen glimpses but we don't know their tactics.

They don't need food and don't have civilians.

The only resources they need are the ones necessary to producing more of their kind, and we don't know how long it takes to produce a gem from the moment Injectors are put down. I mean, we've heard that it take time to make good gems, but they can be made fast as well.

And let's say they they get in to open war with for example the Covenant from Halo.

The Covenant are brutal and highly efficient, but they have civilian populations, they need to eat and sleep, the Gems don't. And we really don't know what it takes to poof a Gem. We've seen other Gems poof each other, but they know how to fight their own kind. Who actually knows how many plasma shots it take to take down a Quartz soldier.

If we assume Master Chef is comparable to a Jasper than an entire army of Master Chefs can demolish a Covenant Battalion.

But then again, the Humans came vary close to losing that war. But that was because the Covenant were targeting civilian planets.

Anyway long story short, I'm not saying the Gems would win every time, or even any time, I'm just saying they could hold their own in a fight.

TL;DR, Gems may be dumb but they're not bitches, they could bloody their noses and come out swinging, in my opinion.

>>92707564
>And the truth is, we've never seen them in open warfare. We've heard stories and seen glimpses but we don't know their tactics.
>Anyway long story short, I'm not saying the Gems would win every time, or even any time, I'm just saying they could hold their own in a fight.

I agree, but coming up with ideas on how they'd come up with ways to combat truly alien threats is one of the reasons why we have threads.

And now that I've typed that up I just realized that >>92700424 never included ways to combat them. I think that'll be my next project.

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>>92700831
>>92694595
http://jojo.wikia.com/wiki/Pillar_Men
Even without becoming the ultimate life form, pillar men are already extremely advanced beings, and can just as well become the ultimate being with the mask as Kars had.

>>92707564
I agree with you heartily.
Another thing I don't like (which is especially prevalent in the gems vs modern Earth thread) is that a lot of anons seem to believe that if the gems lose the first round of combat, they'll never change tactics but will just keep doing the same thing until they all die.

Like... I get it, you don't like the show, but that's not really a great excuse.

>>92681100
>Secure
>Contain
>Protect

>>92688380
HAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAA HAAAAAA HAAAA