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This is their next Death Battle /co/, who takes it? Can anyone

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This is their next Death Battle /co/, who takes it?

Can anyone tell me what sort of feats Carol Danvers has? All I know about her is Marvel pushes her way too hard and she's a totalitarian war criminal
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I don't know shit about 18 but I do know that Carol got knocked out cold by a single Ultron drone in EMH which was pretty pathetic, if that weakass blast could do her in i dont see why someone from DBZ couldn't do the same
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>>92666965
I'm a bit biased towards 18 as my first Dragonball wife but I do know she's broken the arms of planet-busters with minimal effort, and possesses infinite stamina/energy. Admittedly Carol can absorb energy (if there's a limit I'm unaware of it) but I figure once Android 18 figures out energy attacks only power her up, she'd stick to physical moves
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Why 18 tho couldn't they had her fight wonder woman or supergirl?
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Well, how comparable are Carol's Binary powers to Vegeta's? Because that'll most likely be the deciding factor

Remember, Vegeta blew up an entire planet with a single blast and that was BEFORE he became a Super Saiyan...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnqtg0bte6w
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>>92668654
Not to mention Carol and Vegeta have similar debilitating pride issues
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>>92668654
>Remember, Vegeta blew up an entire planet with a single blast and that was BEFORE he became a Super Saiyan...

Technically that scene is just filler and shouldn't be counted. Vegeta does claim he can destroy Earth during his fight with Goku though, and desu I don't see a reason to disbelief him given people were blowing up the flippin' MOON way back in Dragonball the max power levels were a 100th of what Vegeta has now.
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She can absorb energy based attacks to power her.
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>>92668534
It's because they're blonde isn't it?
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>>92668839
>tfw a subservient housewife to a manlet beats YAAS QUEEN SLAY
Please let this happen

I'm almost certain Carol's going to win because anime characters never beat comic characters in this show but I have hope
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Does anyone have pics of Carol in really damage-tattered suit/clothes? I need it for reasons
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>>92669623
>Does anyone have pics of Carol in really damage-tattered suit/clothes? I need it for reasons
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>>92668654
Binary is bullshit levels of powerful while Sayins in god mode can be shot down by lazer pistols.
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>>92670059
First off, that was retconned. That only happened when Goku was dropping his guard, and 18 isn't as stupid as him
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>>92668839
But Supergirl is blonde though.

The real reason is because Supergirl or Wonder Woman would destroy 18. She has a chance with Carol.

They do sort of have more in common than being blonde arrogant energy blasters. They're both science experiments. And where one is a bad girl turned into a good girl Carol is a hero that's become a tyrant (even if the books treat her as a dindu nuffin).

>>92669485
18 wins QUEEN SLAY gets SLAYED by a housewife. Carol wins DBZ fans have another temper tantrum. Everyone wins with this match.
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>>92669979
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>>92670154
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>>92670180
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>>92666892

Alright /co/, DB hasn't been all that creative recently so lets propose interesting matches.

>Name some interesting Marvel vs DC matches

>Name an Anime vs Anime match

>Name an East vs West match.

>Name an interesting army vs army match (like Wiley vs Robotnic)

>Name a squad vs squad match (no more than seven members per team)

>Name a spaceship vs spaceship match

>Name a mecha vs mecha match

>Name a handicap match (as in several weak characters vs one strong character)

>Name an AI vs AI match
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>>92670205
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>>92670154
>Bottle right next to her

Carol stop, you're drunk again.
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>>92670225
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>>92670249
you don't understand anon, it's alcohol free vodka
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>>92670274
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>>92670290
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>>92670330
>Stupid non-alcoholic vodka what's even the point

She's almost endearing when she's written as so pathetic as to drink non-alcoholic vodka. If they played her up more as a failure and less as a perfect idol (in canon the most idealized hero on Marvel Earth) people might actually like her.
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Android 18 is much much hotter than Carol
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>>92670396
Most of Carol's current character is driven by her fear of failure. Especially CW2 (see #0).
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>>92668744
Roshi blew up the moon with a power level of 100.
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>>92670396
That's kind of what she was, then Reed had her turning her life around and then KSD came and everything went south.
>>92670502
>implying DBZ powerlevels aren't more fucked then capeshit
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>Bisected by a destructo disc
>Gets power drained via close contact
>18 simply pummels her
Carol better die painfully
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>>92670396
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>>92666892
18 better fucking win. If Carol the bitch wins, she also can defeat Super Sayian Vegeta, which would also be bs.
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>>92670662
This is almost like her breaking the 4th Wall.

"Please don't make me your Wonder Woman Marvel. Please. I'm not someone people should idolize."

Has anyone ever asked Kamala why she liked Carol so much in the first place and not someone like Tigra or She-Hulk or Invisible Woman?
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>>92667093
The thing about DBZ androids is, infinite reserves =/= infinite output.
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>>92670717
>All the salty dbz fans after Carol stomps
It's going to be great.
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>>92670747
>Only models available are short haired Carol
It has to die
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>>92670632
>>92670717
>/a/ is confused when /co/ starts celebrating 18 winning.

>B-But she's like Marvel's Wonder Woman right?

>>92670747
I wonder if that happens will DBZ fans start flooding /co/ with "Captain Marvel too powerful so boring why don't they have any good writers what's supposed to challenge a character with infinite energy anyway?" threads.
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>>92670502
And a farmer with a shotgun had a power level of 5, meaning he can blow up mountains. Or maybe, power levels in DBZ on't mean shit.
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>>92670746
not infinite in the 'at once' sense like a energy blast, no, but her endurance would naturally be near if not infinite, since she has a limitless supply to draw from.
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>>92670784
>Dyke Carol stomps best looking DBZ girl

I hate DBZ fanboys and this makes me furious.
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>>92670632
That's an energy attack, and what does Carol do with those?
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>>92670219
>Name some interesting Marvel vs DC matches
Karate Kid vs Iron Fist
>Name an Anime vs Anime match
Alucard vs Gilgamesh from Fate/Zero
>Name an East vs West match.
Samurai Jack vs Guts (western-drawn Samurai vs eastern-drawn Knight)
>Name an interesting army vs army match (like Wiley vs Robotnic)
UNSC vs Terrans from Starcraft
>Name a squad vs squad match (no more than seven members per team)
Breaking the rules a little bit but
The nine Team Fortress 2 mercs vs Red/Blue teams from Red vs Blue
>Name a spaceship vs spaceship match
Imperial Star Destroyer vs Battlestar Galactica
>Name a mecha vs mecha match
Teggen Toppa Gurren Lagann vs Demonbane
>Name a handicap match (as in several weak characters vs one strong character)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles vs Wolverine
>Name an AI vs AI match
Cortana vs GLaDOS
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>>92670806
The farmer didn't know how to tap into his power
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>>92670816
And Carol absorbs energy, so unless 18 sticks to purely physical attacks she's only going to make Carol stronger. 18 is never going to run out of energy to throw, so she's never going to be forced to resort to physical attacks, she has to choose to limit herself. And she has no way of knowing what Carol can do, so she has no reason to avoid the typical DBZ beamspam.
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>People saying Binary wins
>Not knowing that characters who go super first tend to be the loser
>Thinking 18's dumb enough to not notice Carol's absorbing her attacks
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>>92670928
the only thing i'd say in 18's defense is that during most of her fights, she doesn't really use many energy attacks. I don't recall her using any against vegeta or cell, and i think the only time she actually did was when she and her brother killed gohan in the future.
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>>92670116
Then Goku was harmed by a bullet in his base form, and Vegeta failed to lift 1000 tons as a super saiyan. DBZ characters are not NEARLY as powerful as some people think, I've been debating with weebs in the Goku v Superman comment sections nightly since those battles were released, the ignorance of DBZ fans about their own franchise is insane.
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>>92670855
>Jack vs Guts

Holy fuck I didn't know how badly I wanted to see this until now. Have no idea who would win but it would kick ass.
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>>92670301
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>>92671073
The big problem is that they always whine "Superman is so inconsistent with his feats" when DBZ does the exact same shit.
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>>92671073
>I've been debating with weebs in the Goku v Superman comment sections nightly
Why do you do such thing to yourself?
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>>92670928
In theory couldn't she just suck the energy out of her or fly into the sun/Earth's core for a powerboost?
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>>92670219
>Name a handicap match (as in several weak characters vs one strong character)
Brock Samson vs Team Fortress 2 mercs
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>>92671176
Soldier or Heavy can solo Brock though
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>>92671149
possibly, she can eat nukes without difficulty
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>>92671073
>nightly
Hahaha.
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>>92670219
>Silver Surfer vs Justice League
>Toriko vs anyone
>Iron Fist vs Kenshiro
>HYDRA vs Crime Synicate
>Fantastic Four vs Incredibles
>Enterprise vs Space Battleship Yamato
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>>92670747
>>92670790
Literally though, 18 should have the upper hand. I get Superman beating Goku, but Marvel Heroes are mostly human like. Plus, Carol is having trouble wiping out that Alien army fast in Secret Empire, something 18 could do in a minute.
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>>92670717
Don't get me wrong, I want 18 to win, but DBZ characters LOVE throwing energy attacks, and those only make Carol stronger.
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>>92670219

I just want Arale vs Popeye.
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>>92671295
Most do, but 18 doesn't. She didn't throw one in the battle vs Vegeta and only throw one destructo-disk to finish off 'Mighty Mask'. She greatly prefers hand-to-hand, though I can't remember if her future self used it for more than executions
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>>92671295
I think most of /co/ wants YAAS QUEEN to get hers.

>>92671275
This would be a great match. I think it depends on whether or not Genesis is allowed. I'd put Voltron over the other forms of GGG.
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>>92671244
you do know carol isn't human or that the Chitauri wave is confirmed to be bigger than the annihilation wave right?
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>>92671295
I just really hate Carol, she is a miserable bitch. Granted, this is all from Civil War 2, and it could just have been Bendis.
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>>92670219
>Name an interesting army vs army match (like Wiley vs Robotnic)
The Wonderful 101 vs. Overwatch
>Name an East vs West match.
Morrigan Aensland vs. Vampirella
>Name a mecha vs mecha match
Legendary Defender Voltron vs. GaoGaiGar
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>>92671210
How? Brock can kill and skin a polar bear in a matter of seconds and is known to be a masterful strategist capable of setting up elaborate traps on the fly.

As far as I know Soldier and Heavy are pretty much just meat heads who prefer near/outright suicidal attacks.
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>>92671387
>Chitauri fleet is confirmed to be bigger than the annihilation wave right?
That still fucking irritates me. Why? How? There's reasons the Annihilation Wave was so fucking massive it took a united universe to beat it but where did Chitauri get the resources to build a fleet that big and how did they do it with NO ONE realizing it until it was too late?
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>>92671139
Hey, everyone's entitled to one personality flaw, arguing is mine. And this is an argument that never ends, and I literally can't lose.
>>92671223
I'll stop when they do. But lately it's just mostly "but Goku's a god bleh bleh" and I just paste a short description of Darkseid.
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>>92671441
It makes no sense but no one at marvels disputed the claim so it iswe need a new Shooter badly
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>>92671428
I take it you haven't read the TF2 Comics. Heavy kills and eats giant Kodiak bear alone without sustaining a single injury
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>>92671480
I love both Supes and Goku and I reallllly wanted Goku to win. But Superman is just way too OP to defeat. Even with Goku's God shenegins. But I wonder, could Beerus defeat Supes?
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>>92671556
No I haven't.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xzmFpeHrzmU
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>>92671079
We'll probably get Jack vs Kenshin instead because it's more requested
Jack vs Guts works better because of how they contrast
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>>92671428
>skin a polar bear in a matter of seconds
Heavy literally eats whale sized bears for breakfast
also he's highly intelligent, his english isn't particularly good but he has a PhD in russian literature

And technically soldier can't be killed, he drank a "get killed, come back stronger" potion he stole from his wizard roommate
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>>92671643
How that that comparable? Brock skinned a huge bear in seconds, that's a feat of SPEED more than anything else.
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>>92671709
In the last episode like half of them quit.
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>>92671643
>Heavy literally eats whale sized bears for breakfast
Are there enough whale bears to sustain such a diet?

And I guess Soldier is just magic but for the sake of the argument wouldn't he need to "die" just once for Brock to win?
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>>92671698
Heavy fought a bear 10 times the size without sustaining any injury
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>>92671730
Are you fucking kidding me? Who quit? I was really hoping for Roshi to get a boost for the tournament.
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>>92671740
>Are there enough whale bears to sustain such a diet?
he has a family to feed and they preserve the bears
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>>92671773
Buu is asleep for 2 months and Krillin and 18 wanna quit for some reason. That will be explained in this week's episode
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>>92668654
I feel ki blasts aren't indication of true strength. It's more like a ki blast would set off a planetary sized chain reaction that would cause a complex system of unstable molten metal to rip itself apart. Like throwing a match into a cars gas tank.

The fact that vegeta can blow up a planet and get his arm broken after being kicked by a robot means he's pretty much a glass cannon. Plus those dudes catch and punch back massive balls of destructive energy all the time. Are they tougher than the planet? Yet they can be hurt like that by a super powered kick.

It doesn't add up.

Ability to blow up planets is no indication of toughness.
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>>92671730
nope hasn't happened yet and it will be tied to Goku not telling them about the universe being destroyed or Krillin's ptsd about freeza
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>>92671740
depends, i would count a brock win if he can get all of them to die at the same time, but if he kills soldier first and then takes long enough for the "come back" effect to kick in then he has to kill him again.
also, if there are any team ups them medic would be a huge force multiplier to any of them due to the whole "ubercharge makes you indestructible" thing.
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>>92671698
Brock almost certainly has the speed advantage on Heavy but Heavy has the most HP out of any of the mercs in TF2, he could probably tank long enough to finish Brock off. There's also the fact that Heavy doesn't usually like to go into close-range to begin with, Brock love close-combat but the minigun should keep him at a distance
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>>92670820
Should've waited for MvCI models to get ripped
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>carol
>anything but shit
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>>92670820
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>>92671839
not to mention that both sniper and spy are a heck of a lot more effective if their target is distracted
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>>92670820
>best looking Dbz girl.
You haven't seen the female saiyans
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>>92670855
Karate Kid
Alucard
Guts
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Imperial Star Destroyer
Demonbane
Wolverine
Cortana
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>>92671824
>Are they tougher than the planet?
Goku's 'I can't be harder to kill than a planet' line in the Freeza fight would seem to indicate that they are
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Call me autistic but you know how people draw Goku beating up Superman and that only increased after Death Battle?
I want drawings of 18 pummeling Carol either way this match goes
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>>92671896
The smile of a murderer with no remorse
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>>92668534
>Why 18 tho couldn't they had her fight wonder woman or supergirl?

Because Wonder Woman and Supergirl are infinitely more feminine than Nu-Carol.

The libtards at Screw Attack can't have their super strong YAS QUEEN getting beat down by a female that embodies feminine traits while still being strong. The bulldyke needs to win for progressive points.
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>>92672033
This literally means nothing. Tienshinhan deflected Super Buu's attack and he is far, far weaker than him. Getting caught off-guard gives you crazy advantage in Dragonball
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>>92672024
>The libtards at Screw Attack can't have their super strong YAS QUEEN
I'm sorry, what? When have they ever said they like Carol at all? Their office is covered in DBZ shit, if anything they like 18 far more.
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>>92667093
Carol has never been shown capable of absorbing ki, aka life force. If she could, she would basically be on-contact vampire.
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>>92672068
That's because people who debate DBZ characters don't usually get the difference between passive and active defenses.
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>>92671839
>>92671842
Seems like a Brock vs Heavy match would be more fair and interesting than Brock vs TF2 mercs. A Brock victory would probably lean heavily on his resourcefulness and environment assuming Heavy's minigun can't run out of ammo, but despite the strength difference I'd give him the edge in close combat due to his speed advantage and preference for it.

He'd be fucked if he loses his knife in the fight though.
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>>92672094
I don't think Ki counts as life-force, life-force doesn't fucking explode. I'm pretty sure by the fact it contains kinetic energy alone is proof enough Carol can absorb it.

Question: last I checked, Carol's absorption rate tapes out at a nuclear bomb MAX. Has that changed in comics lately? And does anyone else agree that DBZ characters start putting out attacks > than a nuclear bomb by Namek?
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>>92672068
>implying goku was caught off guard
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>>92670219
Brock Samson vs Saxron Hale vs Black Dynamite vs Hoss Del Gato manly battle royale.
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>>92670219
>Name an East vs West match.
Devilman vs Etrigan
>Name a mecha vs mecha match
Sym-Bionic Titan vs Megas
>Name a handicap match (as in several weak characters vs one strong character)
Nemesis T Type vs L4D Survivors
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>>92672160
Can Stelio Kontos join in on this action?
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>>92672146
She can absorb unlimited amounts of energy, and return it 'with interest.'
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>>92672094
If it was throw at her she could likely absorb it. I know she can absorb kinitic energy from physical attacks and I'm pretty sure she's done the same with psionic energy as well.
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>>92672191
>She can absorb unlimited amounts of energy, and return it 'with interest.'
She can certain CONTAIN an unlimited amount of energy but I remember reading that there's a limit to how much she can absorb at once, and the energy released at once by a nuclear blast was that threshold before it starts overwhelming her
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>>92672190
Yes, please.
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>>92671244
>Marvel Heroes are mostly human like
>2017
>still claiming this
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>>92671441
>>92671519
Jesus does Marvel need a competent editor badly.

The reason it's bigger than the Annihilation Wave is because they wanted cheap hype. There is NO logical reason behind it. It's bad writing.

>>92671615
>Jack vs Guts works better

It also works because they're both men who are made to suffer on a long journey where their primary antagonist who ruined their lives is kept at a distance. And because Gut's bigass Dragonslayer contrasts with Jack's katana.
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>>92671441
That was a claim made by someone who was never there when the Annihilation Wave happened. Example, that house fire is worse than the Holocaust. Bs claim made to exaggerate something and make it appear bigger than it actually is.
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>>92671441
>>92671519
>>92672297
I'm enjoying the Captain America storytimes and am unfamiliar with the Annihilation Wave: why is it sensible / okay for the Annihilation Wave to be that huge and not the Chitauri?
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>>92672334
Nick Spencer (the writer who I believe is behind this call) confirmed that Maria Hill was not exaggerating when she said it was bigger than the Annihilation Wave and his only justification provided so far is 'deal with it nerds'
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>>92671441
Also, the Star Lord annual that came out today says he's the one who beat Annihilus.
I don't get why Marvel keeps referencing stuff that they don't read
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>>92672338
Annihilation Wave is the entire Negative Zone brought together as an invasion force.
The negative zone is equally as big as 616. It is literally impossible for the Chitari to be bigger than all of 616
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>>92672338
Annihilation Wave was a Negative Zone full of angry aliens suddenly pouring into our universe.

Chitauri somefuckinghow built up a space fleet BIGGER than this without ANYONE IN THE UNIVERSE realizing it until it was too late.
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>>92672382
>Also, the Star Lord annual that came out today says he's the one who beat Annihilus.
...you mean lately, right? With whatever plot's going on this last year in Star-Lord / Guardians of the Galaxy?

They didn't give him Richard Rider's accomplishment, did they?
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>>92672382
>They forgot FOR NOVA CORP!!!!!!

For fucking shame. This is why DC is murdering them right now in comic sales.
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>>92672094
Does 18 HAVE ki attacks? Her powers come from her cybernetic components, can a machine generate life force, or is 18, y'know, USING SOMETHING ELSE?
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>Not Billy Batson vs Carol Danvers
>Battle for the owner of the Captain Marvel name
>Billy fucking obliterates Carol with a single word
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Speaking of

>Annihilation Wave vs Hive Fleet Leviathan
I only pick the one because I'm pretty sure ALL of the Tyranid fleets combined would be too much even for the Annihilation Wave I assume in sheer numbers
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>>92666892
Oh... amazing. The Incompetent Fool vs Second best girl of Dragon Ball.

Honestly, I cant wait to see all the salty dragon fags.
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>>92672534
she has an infinite ki generator in her body, same as her brother
both of them simply don't use ki blasts that much for attacks but if she wants she can throw blasts (including the destructo disk courtesy of krillin)
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>>92672564
>Second best girl of Dragon Ball.
...literally who else deserves the title? Videl was a contender once upon a time but has become a shell of her former self since popping out Pan
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>>92672540
Nah, Carol would call in her trademark lawyer and win instantly.
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They switch places
what happens?
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>>92670790
>Carol wins
>/a/ notices /co/'s fucking pissed and mourning 18
>They're even more confused
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>>92672540

>Billy is told he has to go fight some lady who's stealing his name.
>Is handed a picture of her.
>It's a photograph of Ms. Marvel Carol.
>"Oh geez...She's pretty. Oh man I can't beat her up. Look at her! I wonder if she's single. Maybe I can...? Would that be okay? I mean, she wouldn't know I was a kid, and it's worked before...I mean look at those! Look at THAT! Alright Billy, let's do this! It'll be fine as long as she doesn't figure it out!"
>Gets to fight location.
>Sees an angry, scowling she-dog with a dyke cut and poser Lantern uniform. Not even a speck of makeup anywhere. Like she's just given up trying to be a female.
>Holds up Ms. Marvel's picture.
>Looks back at "Captain Marvel"
>Picture
>Carol
>Picture
>Carol
>Picture
>Carol
>"Awww maaaan,"
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>>92672558
You'd be wrong. The Annihilation Wave can occupy three galaxies simultaneously it's so damn large, you would NEED for all the Nid fleets to come together to stand a chance.
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>>92671933
I'm surprised it took this long for them to actually include some.

Kale > Cauliflua
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>>92672540
>Mary Marvel vs Carol
>Pure demure femininity vs YAAS QUEEN

On one hand it would be awesome seeing Mary win. On the other hand it would suck to see Mary kill someone.

>>92672564
>Second Best
No.
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>18 wins and Carol suffers a horrific death like gif related
>Post battle analysis begins with " "The greatest" that's what they called her"
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>>92672594
I will say Chi Chi because I like her. And you can go fuck yourself, my taste is better than yours.
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>>92672753
I wanna see this fight just to see the reaction of everyone. If Carold dies, then finally all the obnoxious cunts that call themselves her "fans" will shut the fuck up for once and for all. If Billy dies, his fans will spill spaghetti faster than a r9k faggot in a ladies toilet.
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>>92672594
>Videl was a contender once upon a time but has become a shell of her former self since popping out Pan

It had nothing to die with Pan.
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>>92672863
>Chi Chi
Literally shit, even Bulma is better. Like, a lot better.
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>>92672908
>Billy losing to Carol

I would hate them for the rest of my life. That's just so wrong in so many ways.
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>>92672970
Carol's a much better character, at least.
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>>92672588
So a machine can create it, meaning it's not life force.
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They've already brutalized two of the women on my harem grid(One of them got brutalized by another woman on the grid no less)
I can't handle a third.

FUCK OFF CAROL REEE
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>>92672863
Chi-Chi is the reason why Goku died multiple times, why the Earth was destroyed multiple times and why Gohan was denied his birthright(aka power and drive for combat).
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>>92672998
>Carol's a much better character,

Funny joke.
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>>92671073
I'm in a Dragon Ball Super chat right now, and if you try to bring up most inconsistencies in Super they just say that the manga and anime are different canons.
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>>92673054
Good. Fuck Goku. Obnoxious little cunt.
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I might be wrong because i didnt watch super, but didnt 18 got a MASSIVE powerup in the recent arc in DBS? Or was it just 17? I seen people saying they were on pair with the universe buster SSB goku
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>>92673115
Of course they do, weebs always have an excuse. But when you apply the exact same reasoning to comics, (as in, Batman vs Superman in DKR not being canon) they say you're making excuses because you're a fanboy.
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So apparently one of the researchers leaked an episode list on a chat and someone screen capped (that said, considering some episodes that did come out are absent and Deadpool vs Horse came out months ago, it probably changed over time )
Probably were episodes they considered or the researcher was messing around knowing that it was bound to be leaked so try to resist jumping to conclusions
The episodes that came out that aren't on the list are Venom vs Bane, Glacius vs Sub-Zero, Nathan Drake vs Lara Croft, and Natsu vs Ace

>Ichigo vs Naruto
>Saitama vs Goku


Please be a lie/cancelled consideration
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>>92673045
>not having Carol on your grid
Absolute shit taste.
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>>92670219
>Name some interesting Marvel vs DC matches
Darkseid VS Thanos
>Name an Anime vs Anime match
Ryoko (Tenchi Muyo) VS Aisha (Outlaw Star)
>Name an East vs West match.
Samurai Jack vs Future Trunks
>Name an interesting army vs army match (like Wiley vs Robotnic)
Aku's Army vs Lord Dominator's Army
>Name a squad vs squad match (no more than seven members per team)
Guardians of the Galaxy vs Watchmen
>Name a spaceship vs spaceship match
Starship Enterprise vs Millenium Falcon
>Name a mecha vs mecha match
Mechagodzillavs Dragonzord
>Name a handicap match (as in several weak characters vs one strong character)
Saitama vs the entire Marvel Universe
>Name an AI vs AI match
Metal Sonic vs Perfect Cell (that counts, right?)
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>>92673141
Goku isn't universe level. Old Kai said three waves would end everything, but in episode 13 there WAS A THIRD WAVE, caused by their ki attacks. And it passed over Goku, Bills and the Earth long before Bills did anything about it. That wave was supposed to destroy everything it touched, yet everything was fine. Old Kai was wrong. Demonstrably wrong.
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>>92672998
>>
Here's a few extras:
Crash vs Spyro
Yamcha vs Beowulf (Skullgirls)
Mickey Mouse vs Bugs Bunny
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>Super wrote in that the androids passively gain power over time
>Showed 17, who is on the same level as 18, to be able to trade blows with Godku
I can't wait to drink up saltymad Carollet tears.
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>>92673115
It is true though. In DBS manga, Trunks is a glorified Denbe. In DBS anime, Trunks is a glorified mini Broly.
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>>92673258
>Mickey Mouse vs Bugs Bunny
Nobody fucks with the mouse
Nobody
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>>92673208
>Throwing Aisha at someone she has no chance at beating.

Why Anon? Anon?
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>>92672950
Well, i'm not sorry that I like my milfs when they actually look like actual seasoned beautiful respectable ladies. Unlike that piece of literal blue shit of Bulma that is pretty much an eternal teen. Fucking disgusting.
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>>92673267
No matter who wins, the fallout will be amazing.
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>>92673300
Doesn't Aisha have like an immortal best form or something?
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>>92673296
Here's a kicker. They claim that anyone that can take on base Goku or Vegeta is at least SSJG level because Goku absorbed the power into his body. They think Goku is SSJG by default all the time.
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>>92673208
>Saitama vs the entire Marvel Universe

was that a joke or are you literally retarded?
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does Miss Marvel has a cool collectible figure like this?
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>>92673397
Joke character with toonforce vs entire universe without it

yeh it's not a fair fight, marvel universe should get backup
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>>92673397
a joke.
like really? a handicap match? when have BD ever done that?
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>>92672711
Alright, lemme try...
>Carol is kidnapped by Dr. Gero for his experimentation to turn her into a cyborg
>Assuming her personality remains the same she'll likely rebel and kill Dr. Gero all the same first chance she gets given she has zero qualms about killing assholes
>After getting out of the lab and kicking Vegeta's ass she would likely split off from the other Androids to go drink herself into a stupor trying to forget the trauma
>Cell can't find her and is destroyed by Vegeta in his Semi-Perfect state because Vegeta doesn't have the patience to let him wander the entire planet looking for her like he did when she was just an island away
>She eventually re-joins the Air Force and becomes world-renowned as a super-hero, beating even Mr. Satan for popularity, once they discover what she's capable of
>Vegeta and Trunks find her after she becomes famous and think to destroy her but she convinces them she's not out to hurt anyone, and becomes an ally for them throughout the rest of the series in both power and fame
>Goku never dies and he/Vegeta have their duel. Goku wins handidly and Vegeta, without Goku's death to take away purpose and Trunk's death to offer insight, is spurred to leave his family once again to space in a desperate bid to grow stronger.
>Krillin remains a 4ever virgin
>7 years later she is likely the one to use HER fame to power a spirit bomb for Goku (who having not died, knows neither SSJ3 or Fusion to combat Buu) and indirectly saves the day
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>>92671709
Calling it, Gohan is going to get jobbed so hard to Giran the Grey. Unless they pull a Future Trunks last season and have him save the day including you know, actually saving the day.
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>>92673419
>marvel doesn't have toonforce

so you're actually retarded
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>>92673397
>>92673419
>>92673434
The only hope MCU have is the recent meme view of squire girl, and im not sure if she has enough toonforce to pull it of
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>>92673418
it's ms. not miss
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>>92673419
>Joke character with toonforce
In his own universe maybe.
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>>92673455
>she's not out to hurt anyone

Except herself.
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>>92673397
>>92673511

>Fight consists of Saitama oneshotting a huge array of Marvel characters working his way up from street levelers and finally into abstracts and Beyonders
>"and the winner is..." split screen
>Marvel side has a shattered cosmos
>Saitama's side has him on the ground with (classic) Squirrel Girl standing over him
>"... what?"
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>>92666892
Android 18 > Android Saga Vegeta > Android Saga Goko > Frieza

Frieza was a galaxy stomping overlord who just needed to blink to get other planet busters on their knees in fear. I dont think Carol compares to him, let alone 18. Like whats stopping 18 from just bum rushing her and liberating Carol's head from her shoulders?
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>>92673607
Are you serious? Saitama stops the second he runs into Quicksilver with a kitchen knife.
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>>92673615
Carol would kill her first.
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>>92673615
>muh planet busting meme
Busting a planetary body in the Dragon Ball universe means exactly nothing. Roshi is a street leveler and could pop the moon and Saiyan Saga Vegeta could blow a planet.

Logic dictates that planets are just weak as shit in their universe.
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>>92673672
why? how? what does she have to even compare to Frieza
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>>92673568
Shut up Carol.
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>>92666892
At least 18 can keep a man.
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>>92673709
>she can keep Krillin
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>>92672711
>>92673455
>Lazuli (Android 18's real name) by some circumstance was at the base where the accident occurred that let Mar-Vell save her life and give her super-powers
>Is not gung-ho with her powers like Carol is, is mostly reserved and doesn't give much more of a shit about shopping / enjoying life.
>Is swiftly invited to join the Avengers but declines, seeing no interest in becoming a super-hero at first
>She DOES form a good relationship with Janet Van Dyne however due to their love of fashion, and Janet's love of the super-hero life style lets her eventually get through to Lazuil and convinces her to join her on the Avengers
>Is incredibly pissed when Janet first leaves but is still spurred to stay when she recognizes the fame that comes with being an Avenger is a cash-cow that lets her live a life of luxury
>Eventually develops an attraction for Hawkeye being the weakest (physically) Avenger and consistently teases him about going into battle with nothing but a bow and arrow.
>Hawkeye eventually gets the picture that she's flirting with him and pursues Lazuli, the two becoming a famous couple around the time Mar-Vell dies
>Lazuli remains a stable Avengers roster member for years and years until she gets pregnant, at which point she chooses to permanently retire while allowing Hawkeye to continue to serve as a hero
>Is the same loyal, loving waifu she was in Z but strictly wants nothing to do with the super-hero scene anymore unless there's something in it for her. Tony Stark has lost millions over the years because of her financial demands for when she steps in
>Other than these small fits of coming out of retirement during yearly cross-over crises, remains a Stay At Home Superhero Mom most of the time

Well how did you like my fan fiction /co/
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>>92673702
>Saiyan Saga Vegeta could blow a planet.
Filler, never happened.
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>>92673702
or DB fighters are just OP as fuck. Mr. Satan is "street level" cape shitter, Roshi is a legendary kung fu master that shoots laser lightning. How the fuck do you get the planets must be weaker in DBZ then in Marvel?
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>>92673645
Of all the characters to choose, you go with one of the slowest """speedsters""" in the big two? I'm positive that even if you leave out Saitama's joke character status he has better speed feats than most iterations of Quicksilver.
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>Get into vs debating thinking it'd be fun
>Drama everywhere with cynicism at every corner
>People act as if they are The Eltingville Club and spend hours just to discredit each other
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>>92673758
Roshi still popped a moon, and that's worse.
>>92673759
Bad writing mostly.
>C-CAPESHITTER!
kek
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>>92672534
since you can't sense androids' ki, I'm guessing something else.
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>>92673758
if Roshi could blow up the moon fucking Raditz could destroy a planet
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>>92673771
say it louder for the people in the back!
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>>92673615
the fact that DBZ power have no consistency whatsoever and feats have absolutely no standing due to the fact that it's powercreep is retconning previous standards constantly
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>>92673756
It's neat
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>>92673767
Name one quantifiable speed feat Saitama has.
>>92673801
>moon
Yeah but at least that actually happened.
>>92673807
Nice theory, but unprovable.
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>>92672146
>And does anyone else agree that DBZ characters start putting out attacks > than a nuclear bomb by Namek?
DBZ puts out attacks >nukes by saiyan (vegeta/nappa) saga. Nappa straight up Nagasakis in his first appearance
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>>92673206
>>not having Carol on your grid
>Absolute shit taste.

/co/ women in general have been disappointing me lately.
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>>92673820
VS DEBATING CAN BE FIGURATIVELY CANCER FOR THE SOUL
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>>92673607
Doesn't Felicia have house cats? Saitama wouldn't get past the street levelers.
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uh oh, the DBZ fanbase is here!
The whole thread is tainted! shut it down!
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>>92670116
That doesn't excuse it though because DBZ fans point to other flaws Supes had in elseworlds stories & when someone points out it's from an elseworlds story, like Batman 'beating' Superman, which actually didn't happen DKR & Bruce faked a heart attack to hide away in secret, people bitch & say fanboy. Look, I'm a fan of DBZ but I don't give a shit when Goku loses or dies, because he has lost before & died before. Fans put Goku on a pedestal as though he is flawless & can't die at all when he HAS. I like Goku, but your 'passion' to the character is ridiculous. What makes me laugh is when Screwattack pointed out that Goku having no limits at all would be pointless & boring because that's not his character, people got all pissy, then Goku gets God Ki & people got bored & thought all fights were pointless because they ended so quickly. You literally got what you wanted & you hated it like they said. It's like that called you shits out in advance.
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>>92673860
Saitama jumped from the moon to earth in seconds, putting estimates of his casual leap's spread to at least 8-10% of the speed of light.

And he wasn't even trying.
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>>92673847
Its like I am reading a comic book by the Big2.
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>>92673886
Absolutely wrong. Goku trained in 100 g's on the way too Namek, and he couldn't push a small ki attack against that. A post-Saiyan Saga Goku couldn't push a ki attack over the force of a washing machine on the spin cycle. And he was also training against his own body weight. Since we KNOW Goku's body weight, we know how much he weighed on that ship. Know how much.

6 tons.

Goku was a class 6 when he got to Namek. That's all. Once again, people overestimate DBZ.
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>>92673801
>throws our cape comic terms like street level and gets mad when called a cape shitter
Also bad writing isnt an answer to your baseless assumption that planets in Dragon Ball must be weaker then any other fictional planets. Im guessing your saying that because otherwise stuff in dragon ball looks more impressive then whatever Carol has done
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>>92673937
Jumping is a feat of strength, not speed. He'd need REACTION speed to stop Quicksilver from casually cutting his throat, and QS has outrun radio waves.
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>>92673860
>actually happened
That just proves how bullshit easy popping a moon and by relation a planet is in that universe.

Hell, Killian was hurt by a bullet and he's MUCH stronger than Roshi. It's just sad.
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>>92666892
post yfw 18 wins by bullying carol into giving up/sudoku
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>>92673418
Uh. Yeah. Like a fuck ton. Marvel gets cool figures made all the time. Why is this a question?
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>>92673511
>Who is Doop, She Hulk, Deadpool
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>>92673952
anon big retcons shit all the time, but dbz literally cannot keep it's shit straight when it comes to feats by any metric, all the worse considering it doesn't have the amount of writers that the big 2 has.
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>>92674108
you're missing madcap, slapstick and a few others
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>>92673997
>using common vs battle terms in a vs battle thread means you're a capeshitter now
I'm not even defending Carol you literal autist, sorry someone put catshit in your DBGT backpack but Dragon Ball has inconsistent power levers that rivals capeshit, except it comes from one man instead of a group of writers disagree with each other over decades.

>>92674010
>going fast is a strength feat
He jumps at Quicksilver, what now?

>>92674043
Only the pre-shit Carol would fall for that sadly. Modern Carol would just REEEE and charge in thinking she's right about everything.
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>>92673979
The x50 Super Saiyan boost makes that 300 tons, which is way beyond Carol's Class 90ish. And Android 18 is stronger than Namek-saga SSJ Goku.
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>>92673937
>He thinks this is impressive for top tier Marvel

Saitama is a big fish in a small pond.
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>>92671615
>We'll probably get Jack vs Kenshin instead because it's more requested
I really hope they don't pull that shit just because they're both samurais. I haven't read the original manga Kenshin belongs to, but from what I've read when people discuss a face off between those two characters is that Kenshin operated on a much more grounded universe and because of this he's got far less jaw dropping feats than Jack.
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>>92673756
>Stay at home mom super hero who refuses to get in on super-hero bullshit if she's compensated for it
This is actually kind of a neat idea, why didn't they think to take this route with Spider-Woman?
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>>92673187
>Rogue Squadron vs Star Fox
If RS doesn't win it'll be bullshit
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>>92674201
>He jumps at Quicksilver, what now?
Quicksilver...moves to the side, because he ha faster reaction speed.
>>92674224
After he was a super saiyan maybe, that has nothing to do with his power when he got to Namek, or his power in the Saiyan Saga.
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>>92674233
Never said that, I just gave a quantifiable feat leaving out his status as a joke character.

As a joke character he'd stomp every Marvel character except Squirrel Girl when things shift off panel because it would be funny.

But modern Squirrel Girl isn't funny, so he still might win.
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>>92674246
It gets requested because nostalgic people who watched both shows on Toonami
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>>92674324
SF is gonna win
and he's gonna win it with a barrel roll
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>>92673903
Most shit taste ever.
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>>92674324
Why would they win?
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>>92673187
>Mario vs Sonic 2
It'll be an even bigger curbstomp than last time, especially if they bring in Archie
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>>92673903
>babby''s first harem

this is sad anon
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>>92674337
Quicksilver can react but is too slow to do anything. Pottery.
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>>92674397

Post your taste then :^)
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>>92673754
>Imlpying love isn't the greatest gift that we give each other.

You are a sad person and a weak individual that if continues in this road of angers and despair, will find nothing but death.
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>>92673979
>Absolutely wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ1mEaMXDgw
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>>92674495
>will find nothing but death.

Fun fact:
100% of all people find death regardless of how they choose to live.
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>>92674495
>a sad person and a weak individual that if continues in this road of angers and despair, will find nothing but death.
Carol posting in this thread confirmed?
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>>92674538
Yes. Get the liquor.
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>>92674538
Not enough advocating for Skrullmurder or waifuing Spider-Woman.
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>>92673394
In the anime , he technically could be
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>>92674535
Porky in Mother 3 found a way.
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>>92674454
You' have to prove Saitama's actually faster for that to be true. Still waiting for a feat of speed.
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>>92673267

They don't get passively stronger. They just have the ability to train.

Same reason with Frieza.
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>>92674579

That is a video game. Not real life.
I should not have to clarify this.
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>>92674597
What about the Count Of Saint Germain?
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>>92674397
>>92674465
Posting objectively correct grid.
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>>92674580
Prove Quicksilver is faster than him, you(?) brought him up so the burden of proof is on you here.
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So how bad will 18's death will be?
Please be quick and painless
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>>92673267
>TFW you want 18 win.
>Less out of love for 18, and more out of supreme hatred for YASS QUEEN.
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>>92666892
I...honestly don't know. Has 18 been shown to destroy a planet cause IIRC Carol has shown to have been a planet buster mostly with Binary. Carol also has done some crazy shit before & we barely see anything with 18 so... tough choice.
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>>92674428
Rogue Squadron has better squad cohesion and teamwork, along with more versatility and access to a greater variety of fighters. Can't barrel roll an ion cannon or torpedo. Wedge is arguably as seasoned as Peppy if not more, and Luke has the force on his side.
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>>92674597
Are you sure life isn't a game anon?
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>>92674627
>Dyke Carol.

Just admit that you like to fuck dudes.
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Carols gonna win because she's just going to absorb everything 18 throws at her.
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>>92674627
>Not a single version of her in any of her Ms. Marvel costumes.
>Nor any of her as Binary
>Just one shot of her in civilian clothing as Ms. Marvel. That's it.
If you do a grid like this for one character, you need to go out of your way and make it a drastically different version of that character.

See this Mary Jane I made as a joke during one of the "LOOK AT ALL THESE FUCKING MJ VARIANTS" threads a few weeks ago, for example.

If you really loved your precious YASS QUEEN, you would acknowledge who she was in the past as well as the present.
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>>92673267
Androids start out with large power because BEEP BOOP but also since 17/18 are still human they can train and grow. Still doesn't make sense why 17 even stood a chance against goku. But normally they gimp a form because Goku usually always gets something new after that
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>>92674645
Quicksilver has outrun a radio wave, that makes him faster than light. Your turn.
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>>92674717
problem is: 18 usually throws punches and kicks that could put a continent into orbit
and if she throws an energy blast chances are it's gonna be the kienzan, which could end up horrible for Carol
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>>92672146
Roshi literally states that Demon King Piccolo's ultimate attack has the force of a nuclear bomb. You'd be really stupid to argue that the character's aren't throwing around nukes by the Saiyan Saga at the very least.
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>>92674670
to answer your question
frieza=planet buster
18>android saga vegeta>android saga goku>frieza
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>>92674827
>Roshi literally states that Demon King Piccolo's ultimate attack has the force of a nuclear bomb
Either you're using 'literally' REALLY incorrectly here or I am missing this statement. You have a source?
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>>92674753

This really is all just a translation error.
Westerners hear "Android" and think "Robot that looks and acts human", while "Human with robot parts" is a cyborg.
The Japanese don't really have different terms for Androids and Cyborgs, so they just get thrown under the same blanket term.
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>Battle begins because Carol thinks 18 is a Skrull
>Carol wins (sadly)
>Post battle scene is a Skrull impersonating 18 and greeting Krillin who's been worried sick for his wife
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>>92674787
Eh, you got me there. There's no quantifiable speed feat for Saitama that can match that unless we go the A>B>C route, and even that would just be guess work and conjecture.

There's still nothing QS could do to harm Saitama, even armed with a kitchen knife.
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>>92674925
n-no
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>>92671933

female Saiyans?
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>>92674925

It'll probably just be Carol vs 18 in a martial arts tournament.
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>>92674753
17 was stated that he was training (albeit improvised) all those years protecting the wildlife. That's why he was able to stand up to SSB Goku so easily.

Also, who has the better hand to hand combat? That's who determines the winner here, though I think Carol still takes it due to facing cosmic threats bigger than Cell.
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>>92674787
>>92674955

The superhero named Lightspeed Flash was unable to beat a monster that Saitama killed
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>>92672160
And the Scotsman from Samurai Jack.
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>>92674844
So yeah, she's just a Planet Buster for all we know then? She really hasn't done much in DB in general but we definitely know she can be a planet buster. Still don't have a decision on it, so I'll just keep an open mind about it. I don't get triggered with whoever loses anyways.
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>>92675061
That's a NAME, it doesn't actually mean anything. Batman's not actually a bat, Firestorm isn't a thermal weather phenomenon. Just like how the kamehameha wave doesn't fire an old Hawaiian guy at people.
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>>92674955
Not the same gentleman but I did some research. It takes 1.3 seconds for light to reach the moon from earth. Now, assuming we lowball that feat, Saitama was kicked harder than that by Boros in their fight to the moon, taking about 2.5 to 3 seconds to crash into the moon and Saitama wasn't even hurt. Saitama's return trip to earth again, if we low balled it, took 4-5 seconds, with it strongly implied that Saitama could go even faster. Meaning it IS possible Saitama could move faster than the speed of light. In another instance Saitama dodges Lightspeed Flash's Lightspeed Slash effortlessly. So it is possible at the very least.
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>>92674955
Isn't there? >>92673908
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>>92675378
Jumping is pushing off a surface with your legs, it's a feat of strength, not of speed. Especially reaction speed, which is what Saitama needs to keep Quicksilver from cutting his throat.
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>>92675044
>17 was stated that he was training (albeit improvised) all those years protecting the wildlife. That's why he was able to stand up to SSB Goku so easily.
That makes absolutely no god-damned sense
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>>92670205
>>92666965
Ultron vs 18 would probably be a more fitting fight.
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>>92675439
You don't even need Quicksilver. The MU is filled with Star Trek styled "do anything" races of aliens that would turn Saitama into a statue.
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>>92666892
But Carol Danvers isn't a cyborg.
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>>92675511
I know, the point is Saitama would maybe kill 3-4 people before QS ends him. Less if the first person he meets is Hulk, Thor, or Cap, who have the defense needed to "lol no" his punches.
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>>92675044
>threats bigger than Cell
citation needed
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>>92674849
Hmm. It looks like no character outright states it in the show or manga, but if you look at it, it's in the shape of a mushroom cloud and it takes out an entire city.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdAieSjyjA4

But I just included that because it's one hell of a scene. The real proof is in Daizenshuu 7.It states that young Demon King Piccolo's power rivals that of a small nuclear bomb.
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>>92670730
Carol saved her life during Enemy Within.
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>>92675544
Even if you give Saitama the ability to kill anything in one punch he runs up against a wall when you pit him against things that simply can't be punched, and there's a lot of those in comic book universes.
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So apparently this one is going to be a 2D fight and not a 3D fight

I think Android 18 has plenty of sprite models but I was unaware Captain Marvel had sprites to use from vidya or whatever, does anyone have any idea where they'd get her sprites from?
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>>92675711
>2D fight and not a 3D fight
Source?
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>>92675572
DBZ is really weird in that characters tend to operate and fight at one level where they're making small craters with their energy attacks and getting hurt by being kicked through rocks but then they'll have a scene where they blow up a planet.

It's like you're watching Bloodsport and then suddenly van Damme kicks the planet in half. It's incongruous as fuck.

Maybe all the planet busting is because they cause a chain reaction in the planet's core like what they thought Green Lantern did in the Justice League cartoon?
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>>92675711

They'll probably just modify some other super heroine's sprites from another game.
Probably those old SNES marvel games.
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>>92674972
You haven't been watching Super? Punky Saiyan chick? Fem-Broly?
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>>92675737
http://deathbattle.wikia.com/wiki/Android_18_VS_Captain_Marvel

Their wiki page added 'Animated by Zack' to the description, and Zack only does 2D sprite fights like Hercule vs Dan Hibiki, Scorpion vs Ryu, Guts vs Nightmare, etc.

It can be confirmed by a comment further down where they direct a question to them on their Discord that he is the animator
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>>92670219
>Name some interesting Marvel vs DC matches
Aquaman vs Namor

>Name an Anime vs Anime match
It's not Anime vs Anime, but pic related

>Name an East vs West match.
Jon Kent vs Gohan

Yes, I do think it would be much different than Superman vs Goku

>Name an interesting army vs army match (like Wiley vs Robotnic)
Imperium of Man Vs Gem Empire
Daleks vs Borg
Borg vs Reapers

>Name a squad vs squad match (no more than seven members per team)
Teen Titans (2003) vs the Once A Ranger team from Power Rangers Operation Overdrive

>Name a spaceship vs spaceship match
Luke in an X-Wing vs Fox McCloud in an R-Wing?

>Name a mecha vs mecha match
Liger Zero vs RX-78.

Or whatever the "face" of Zoids is

>Name a handicap match (as in several weak characters vs one strong character)
Can't think of one

>Name an AI vs AI match
Johnny 5 vs WALL-E
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>>92675810
>Imperium of Man Vs Gem Empire
....like, Homeworld Gems from Steven Universe?
Because that is a hilarious fucking curb-stomp for the Imperium, have you seen the competence of Gems in this show?
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>>92675378
Well I did say "at least", but we can't assume things in these kind of debates, even if they're "safe" assumptions.

>>92675409
>"leaving out his joke character status"

>>92675848
I always wanted to see Homeworld get wrecked by orks, then gems raped into ork/gem hybrids and create a massive fusion which included every ork available.
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>>92675810
>Aquaman vs Namor

Aquaman wins because mind hax, loses if they don't include that feat.

>Sakura vs Blade

Sakura wins because time stop.

>Jon Kent vs Gohan

Jon's powers don't even work some of the time. You monster.

>Imperium vs Gems

Holy Jesus why?

>Daleks vs Borg

Classic Borg> Classic Daleks

Movie/Voyager Borgs< Current Daleks

>Borg vs Reapers

Classic Borg >>>>>>> Reapers

Voyager Borg <<<<<<<<< Reapers

>Luke vs Fox

Luke wins because Force

>Liger Zero vs RX-78

Amuro wins because Newtype.

>Johnny 5 vs WALL-E

Johnny 5 has a laser gun so he wins. He can also fly.
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I cant remember if 18 was depowered or not by Shenron

But she got BTFO by Trunks at just super saiyan 2
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I mean, shouldn't we at least see what 18 can do in the universe tournament?
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>>92670219
>Name an East vs West match.
Garnet (Steven Universe) vs Heart (Kamen Rider Drive)
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>>92676033
>Sakura wins because time stop.
Um, anon, Kenzaki has that power too.
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>>92668654
That logic worths shit.
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>>92676076
Why Heart and not W?
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>>92676033
>Amuro wins because Newtype.
But what about just the robots themselves?

In principle you end up with metal human vs metal big cat. And fleshy humans can be easily killed by fleshy big cats
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Is this kino?

https://youtu.be/AfV1yNU_Tqs
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I want this
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>>92676044
No she was not depowered. The bomb in her chest was just removed.
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>>92676260
What would the Scotsman have to say to Guts?
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>>92674627
Dyke Carol is fucking shit.
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>>92676103
both are warriors of love.
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>>92676308
Ye had a herd life, lad.
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>>92676327
Yes but both W and Garnet are 2 beings fighting together as one body in perfect unison

"Futari wa Body and Soul" as WBX Crime in the City puts it.

And speaking of theme songs, pic related' theme song calls him a Warrior of Love so the title's not very special
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>>92670219
>Name an East vs West match.
The True East vs West.
Jotaro vs Thomas so we can finally show that DIESEL is superior
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>>92670219
>Name some interesting Marvel vs DC matches
Detective Chimp VS Hit-Monkey

>Name an Anime vs Anime match
Gene Starwind (Outlaw Star) VS Vash the Stampede (Trigun)

>Name an East vs West match.
Tidus (FFX) VS Jaune (RWBY)

>Name an interesting army vs army match
Cobra VS Hydra

>Name a squad vs squad match (no more than seven members per team)
The Turks (FF7) VS Leader's Force (Brave Fencer Musashi)

>Name a spaceship vs spaceship match
Farscape One VS Serenity

>Name a mecha vs mecha match
Jehuty (Zone of the Enders) VS White Glint (Armored Core)

>Name a handicap match
The Mane-6 (My Little Pony) VS Megatron

>Name an AI vs AI match
Jarvis(MCU) VS HOMER (Iron-Man cartoon)

>Bonus fight
Old Man Henderson VS Mr.Plinkett
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>>92676541
>The Mane-6 (My Little Pony) VS Megatron
So Megatron is hopelessly outmatched then?
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>>92676260
Guts would fucking assrape Jack

Jack only has a slight edge in speed and experience

https://youtu.be/_M1suLCbz-w
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>>92676541
>Tidus (FFX) VS Jaune (RWBY)
congratulations on making me hate-puke
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>>92673645

How could Quicksilver harm Saitama with a kitchen knife?
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One sided but would be fun
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>>92676079
Shit, I thought Faiz and Kabuto were the only riders with time hax.
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>>92676783
Wizard I think has Time powers too. Oh and Gaim come his Helheim Fruit powers. And Drive I think too considering how the suit works against Roidmudes with a sort of Time freeze power.
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>>92676770
What does Luffy get turned into?
>pile of rubber chickens
>pencil that lands in a statue's hand and starts wiggling like the rubber pencil trick
>a bad check
>GORE FINISHER: Rubbernand ball that gets cut in half
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>>92676770
>You're a sap Mr. Jap starts playing
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Hey, remember when they had a rule about how they didn't like using characters from ongoing series obviously comic book characters have to be exempt because they're always ongoing?
Remember how Android 18 is playing a large role in the current story arc of Super?

These new DB writers are awful. And that last battle was mediocre as fuck too, even if it was accurate enough.
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>>92676935
Popeye ties him into a rubber band ball and bounces him across the galaxy
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>>92677017
I would accept this argument for almost anyone except 18

18 hasn't trained since the Cell Saga, I think it is a pretty safe bet that she won't display anything radically better than she did back then. Her fight against Vegeta was her at her peak and I personally believe it's enough to beat Carol
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>>92677017
Dragon Ball should be exempt from the rule as well now, unless you honestly think it'll end sometime soon.
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>>92677083
Oh, I'm sure that they'll probably asspull something about her training with Krillin giving her a power boost. I mean, 17 did nothing but fight poachers for years, and he was able to give Goku a run for his money.

>>92677092
Eh, at the very least wait for Super (which for sure has a finite lifespan) to finish. You can't really say something like that with a comic book character.
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>>92676009
>>"leaving out his joke character status"
That's just it, I'm not. If gag scenes are relevant, then the cat is as viable a feat a any punch he's ever thrown. Can't have one without the other.
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>>92676707
Do I have to link to the post with a HOUSE CAT fucking up his face again?
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>>92675550
18 couldn't even touch Semi-perfect Cell, let along Imperfect Cell. In fact, 18 is weaker than Kami Fused Piccolo. Yet is somehow stronger (and tougher) than Carol.

>>92675458
Keep in mind, 17 as shown in DBS was stronger than Future Trunk's 17 which means with training, would get an exponential power boost. It only makes sense considering the ten year gap between the end of Z and that point in DBS.

>>92677083
18 stated she's still stronger than Krillin. If that's true, she's still stronger than Tien too.

>>92676260
Jack wins. Jack has fought threats more dangerous than what Guts has faced AND survived against Aku multiple times. It also helps that Jack is faster than Guts in everyway that matters. Guts, by his nature, loses to Jack's sword, badly.
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>>92677545
>Saitama gets his shit pushed in by TIGRA of all people

He loses to the worst Avenger of all time.

>>92677595
>Yet is somehow stronger and tougher than Carol

Odds are good 18 is going to get a power boost in Super because it's DBZ and power levels are inconsistent.
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>>92673187
>Naruto vs Ichigo
>Not Yusuke vs Ichigo

See they already fucked up. Also if Sephiroth wins against Virgil, I swear......
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>>92677589
I'm not even in this argument but that was obviously put in as a joke since it's average Japan and their cat joke humor.

It'd be like saying a cat beats Raiden since you can't hit a cat in MGR.

Saitama has taken harder hits than whatever a cat can do anyway, this line of logic is retarded.
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18 has unlimited stamina and energy due to Nanomachines(son). She is also a planet buster tier power.

Carol would have to tank a lot of 18's ki blasts to power up to Binary. To even stand a sporting chance.
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>>92677739
Every single time he punches someone, IT IS A JOKE SCENE. If joke scenes are out, then he has nothing.
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>>92677777
If 18 throws a planet level-attack at her, he reaches Binary immediately.
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>>92673187
Natsu vs Ace is on the list though. Oh god the salt for these would be painful
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>>92677816
If it's every single time then it's a consistent feat isn't it?

He's never hurt except this one time from a cat, that's pretty inconsistent on the other hand.
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>>92678016
It is when you consider it's one of the few times something tries to cut him. That' why I specifically said QS could get a kitchen knife. Saitama makes an effort to avoid being cut, rather than taking the hit. Case in point, this scene here. Look where the blade is in his teeth, the edge never actually touched him. Why defend against this attack, of all things? He usually lets the other guy hit him, but THIS time, he took an effort to avoid it. Why? Because while his blunt force and energy resistance is high, he can be cut.
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>>92670219
>Name some interesting Marvel vs DC matches
Hercules vs Wonder Woman
Not DC but Alex Mercer vs Carnage

>Name an East vs West match.
Inferno Cop vs Ghost Rider
Styx vs The Goblin Slayer
Venom Snake vs Deathstroke
Popeye vs Saitama

>Name an interesting army vs army match
Tyranids vs Zerg
One WAAAGH vs the Covenant

>Name a mecha vs mecha match
Ultraman vs Jet Jaguar
Gipsy Danger vs Iron Giant

>Name a handicap match
Eva units 00, 01, 02 vs Godzilla
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>>92678450
>NERV kids vs Godzilla

It depends on which Godzilla. Going by the standard rules of taking top tier showings and feats Godzilla slaps their shit. They aren't beating Final Wars Godzilla.
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>>92676600
Considering Death Battle fucks it up either way. Yeah.

>>92676657
That is the general idea with that match-up.
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>>92678450
>Not DC but Alex Mercer vs Carnage
How fucked would that world be if they bonded to each other
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>>92678516
Heisei or GMK. Legendary doesn't have much of a power level yet and I don't think Kamata-kun would be able much in a monster fight
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How fast are either of them? I looked up Danvers and it said she's only mach 6? Arent all the z fighters way faster?
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>>92675787
>>92675787

No when does it go into new content and not a retelling of the new movies
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>>92678537
>Considering Death Battle fucks it up either way
Aw, which husbando/waifu did they kill?
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>>92678338
That's a pretty dumb theory, it's more likely he was annoyed by the guy at that point.
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>>92668654
>talking and breathing in space

This bothers me more than it should
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>>92678695
Right after the whole Goku vs Beerus fight i think
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>>92679215

Which episode
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>>92672753
>Not even a speck of makeup anywhere. Like she's just given up trying to be a female.
This triggered me.
Shit...am I feminist?
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>>92679243
28
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>>92678689
18 has no quantifiable feats. The only way to really measure her strength is comparing her to Vegeta, who is then compared to SSJ Goku, who is then compared to regular Goku.

Goku flew 1,000,000 km in 28 hours to get home from King Kai's, which is 35,714.2857 kph. That alone is approaching Mach 30. Add in the boost from 100x normal gravity, the super saiyan boost, and then Vegeta being even stronger/faster than THAT when they were fighting the Androids, and Android 18's speed makes itself pretty clear cut above Carol's Mach 6 if that really is her top speed (I personally think that can't be right)
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>>92673187
The battles this "leak" has predicted haven't really been all that out there, so I'm not buying it. And one of the episodes on the list was from the previous season, as well.

>>92670219
>DB hasn't been all that creative recently
I'm telling you guys, bringing on additional writers, and then bringing the researchers on as legit team members, was the biggest mistake the series could have made. It's been downhill since they were given a bigger role.
Regardless

>Doctor Strange vs. Doctor Fate
>Fuck, I don't know, can we just count Mewtwo and an anime character and say Tetsuo vs. Mewtwo?
>Sans vs. Ness
>Zerg vs. The Flood
>Normandy's Shore Party from ME1 vs. The Crew of one of the Enterprises, I suppose.
>Vic Viper vs. Arwing
>I don't know enough about Mecha to suggest one.
>Popeye vs. Everyone else who has ever been in a Death Battle
>AM vs. Skynet

>>92678450
>Alex Mercer vs Carnage
This, so much.
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>>92678967
All of them in the most retarded edgelord did not do proper research bullshit ways possible. Doesn't help that one of their research guys legitimately doesn't actually watch half the shit they put in these matches and just forms his own headcanon guesses based on what he reads on TV Tropes and Wikipedia.
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>>92679413
>I'm telling you guys, bringing on additional writers, and then bringing the researchers on as legit team members, was the biggest mistake the series could have made. It's been downhill since they were given a bigger role.
Elaborate. Why do you think that is
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>>92679424
>edgelord
What did you expect a series called "Death Battle" would be? Not excusing the other things, just that in particular.
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>>92679413
>>92679444
Shouldn't putting more people that know more about pop culture have gotten them more creative ideas for matchups, not less creative?
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>>92673756
>>92673455
Not bad, actually. Particularly like the idea of your 616 Lazuli because goddamn there are so few stable relationships in Marvel, much less ones with kids.
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>>92679424
They look into the actual physical mechanism for anger, and they don't do research? They figure out how fast Goku actually flew over Snake Way, find a tiny text bubble on the back on a DVD case for Avatar to find out Toph can sense earth not connected to the ground, investigate Misty Knight to see what it takes to damage adamantium, and they don't do research? Really?

>>92678991
What theory? It's demonstrable fact. He avoided getting cut, then when he didn't avoid it he WAS CUT. It happened.
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>>92679424
>one of their research guys legitimately doesn't actually watch half the shit they put in these matches and just forms his own headcanon guesses based on what he reads on TV Tropes and Wikipedia.
Citation needed
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>>92679534
The Misty Knight thing was horseshit. Antartic vibranium works like a vibrating katana like a chainsaw works like a butterknife. It's called the anti-metal for a reason. It melts metal nearby by its very presence.

You know what would have happened if Raiden's sword was actually like Antartic Vibranium? He would have melted himself by taking it out of his scabbard.

When Pym brought out AV knuckle dusters in Busiek's Ultron arc the shear presence made Cap's shield generator (he was using an energy shield at the time) disintegrate. And when brought to bear against Ultron's adamantium shell he had to beat him with the dusters again and again and again until the shell finally broke.

Raiden WOULD defeat Wolverine. But he would not be able to cut adamantium. Death Battle was wrong about that.
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>>92679444
Just a number of things, but if I had to name some off the top of my head.
>Using minigames to give normal humans from the Mortal Kombat universe metal busting feats, despite them not showing this level of strength anywhere else.
>Innately unfair matchups such as Cammy vs Sonya where one party is given far more tools than the other, some nonstandard.
>Giving us fights that nobody really asked for (Scrooge vs. Shovel Knight was a big one)
>Using Human physiology to justify Hulk losing to Doomsday, despite the thing that they mention canonically not really being an issue for Hulk.

>>92679519
The Death Battle research crew were a bunch of morons that people only wanted on the actual crew because they happened to disagree with one of the worst Death Battle results by which I mean Gaara vs. Toph
I feel like Ben and Chad are suffering from fatigue, and the new writers don't actually care nearly as much as they did, which in turn is bringing down the quality of the series as a whole.
Say what you want about Season 1-2 of Death Battle, but that's when those actually tried to come up with compelling arguments, even if their research was sometimes flawed or at times half assed.

>>92679534
>look into the actual physical mechanism for anger
That's actually one of the worst cases of DB pulling shit out of their ass, as what Hulk goes through is clearly on a different level than normal human anger, and that limitation actually contradicts a few Hulk feats.
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>>92679657
Their mistake was not accounting for the different grades of adamantium, of which Logan's bones are the toughest. But that's not even the point, they point is they included it in their conclusion. Saying they do no research is the very definition of butthurt whining. Trying to find some flaw that lets you say the result isn't true. There IS one they got wrong, but I get why they did.
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>>92679689
>>Innately unfair matchups such as Cammy vs Sonya where one party is given far more tools than the other, some nonstandard.
What was the most unfair one? Amy vs Ramona comes to mind immediately, since the power gap between the Sonic universe and the Scott Pilgrim universe is fucking obscenely large
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>>92679689
It's a solid explanation for how he loses some fights against extremely powerful enemies. And Hulk is still human, ultimately.
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>>92679657
That's another example of bad Death Battle research, yeah.
I mean Raiden would eventually just fling Wolverine into a body of water, or hit him hard enough to separate the ligaments that keep the neck together for a decapitation, but whatever.

>>92679780
That's another good example. I just thought of Cammy vs. Sonya because MK just had a fight, and I remember them giving Sonya guns, explosives, and an automated attack drone, while giving Cammy nothing.
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>>92679780
The most unfair was Raiden vs Thor, no contest.
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>>92679689
Don't forget being oddly picky with their sources at times
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>>92679815
>giving Sonya guns, explosives, and an automated attack drone
What the fuck. Did they base her on MKX?
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>>92666892
> competent combatant
-battled rogue, mystique, brood depowered
- solo'd manhattan skrull invasion w/ super skrulls
> skrull kill spree
> brood genocide
> blew up broodworld
> absorbed
- venom blasts
- power plant
- nuke
> created white hole inside an exploding sun
> ftl speed as binary
> can redirect magic
> absorption-return ratio more than 1:1, possibly 1:3
> durability
tanked she-hulk, tanked cho-hulk, tanked hulk
> exploded and reformed
> Ranged
> AOE
> Class 100+++ as Binary
> Small regen and stamina replenish through energy absorbed
> has a flerken
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>>92679803
Hulk, even in universe, is an inconsistent character strength-wise by design. After all, his strength is derived from his emotional state. But to take that and make that the reason that he would lose that fight is unfair, especially when we see Hulk stay "Hulked out" for way longer than should be humanly possible (Hulk: The End comes to mind immediately.)

>>92679853
Pretty much.

>>92679841
Yeah, something that I feel is made worse by the addition of new writers.
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>>92679913
>Yeah, something that I feel is made worse by the addition of new writers.
It's really odd too. The one place where I really notice this is when they use Sonic characters. Sometimes they'll use Archie, sometimes they won't, and sometimes they'll count Boom as canon even though it's really not (In fact for Knuckles they counted Boom and X as canon, but not reboot Archie, which is a more accurate version of Knuckles than fucking Boom is)

Then again their research when it comes to Sonic characters is shaky at best (Shadow coming to mind immediately with the whole "weakness to mind contorl" when it was really just "Having Black Doom's blood makes Shadow suspectible to Black Arms control" and even then he's build up a resistance to it
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>>92679913
Why not just use her MK9 moveset or something? Unless it's alpha Cammy that can summon Bison or something, I don't understand why they thought it seemed like an even match.
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>>92679910
>tanked Hulk
Nigger WHAT!? She got tanked BY Hulk.
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>>92672132
How about Brock and Rusty vs Heavy and Medic? Rusty provides gadgets to Brock and Medic gives Heavy healing. Rusty may not be as competent but brock goes into berserker mode if someone hurts Rusty
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>>92679988
Simple. Like a lot of battles, they think about the concept rather than if it'd be equal (And even then sometimes the concept is just fucked, like Beast vs Goliath or Scrooge vs Shovel Knight)
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>>92679910
She tanked Gladiator too. KO'd Ronan.
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>>92679913
>But to take that and make that the reason
They didn't, not by a long shot. the determined that Doomsday, having fought SUperman sveral times, plus Darkseid, and an army of Kryptonians, would be tough enough to take hits from the Hulk and hit back hard enough to overload his healing factor, similar to what Zeus did to him.
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>>92679998
Still adds to her durability feat. She got punched by a hulk thhrough a helicarrier and is still whole.
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>>92679998
Everything about this page is hideous.
Poser was a mistake.
also
>Panther throwing a dildo
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>>92679910
>> can redirect magic

I thought she's weak against magic?
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>>92679988
Someone in the office probably just has a hard on for Sonya or something.
Despite her man face.

>>92679965
I am 90% that Ben is a huge Sonic Fanboy who just really hates Shadow.
Actually, Robotnik was supposed to lose his fight initially, but Ben convinced the others to make it into a draw which is fair, because Metal basically shits on everything on both sides. The only thing Wily has that comes close to him is maybe Zero, but he never actually used him so that's not really fair.

>>92680040
And if that had been the reasoning, I would have been fine with the result. Not super happy with the result, because it comes a little too close to the "Superman is infinitely strong" bullshit that they like to push, but it's still a reason I suppose. Bringing in the human anger bit was too much, though.
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>>92670855
Easy dude
>Iron Fist
>Gilgamesh
>Jack
>UNSC
>the Sim Troopers (RvB)
>Imperial Star Destroyer
>Gurren Lagann
>Wolverine
>Cortana if post H5, GLaDOS if pre
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>>92679910
> blew up broodworld
Hold up, didn't she do that with another set of powers?
I'm pretty sure that was when she had cosmic powers or something.
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>>92680101
But Hulk is ultimately human. When the Beyonder said Hulk had "no finite element inside" it was when he a split from Banner. Don't get me wrong, there is one fight they fucked up, but Hulk/Doomsay wasn't it.
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>>92680003
I'd imagine he'd default into berserk mode and only comes out of it when it isn't working for him. Also Rusty is almost certainly more of a liability and will fail 9/10 times when making a gadget with the off chance of making something useful. Could be funny if he's successful though.

>Brock wins by shrinking Heavy's lungs with a shrink ray.
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>>92679998
And she was fine, got back into the fight right away.

That panel's just a throwback joke to Carol doing an orbital nuke with the Hulk earlier on in the run anyway.
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>>92680101
>I am 90% that Ben is a huge Sonic Fanboy who just really hates Shadow.
That just makes it weirder because of all the inconsistencies. Though I think he hates Silver even more
>Actually, Robotnik was supposed to lose his fight initially, but Ben convinced the others to make it into a draw which is fair, because Metal basically shits on everything on both sides. The only thing Wily has that comes close to him is maybe Zero, but he never actually used him so that's not really fair.
I'd love to see Metal Sonic vs Zero. Or failing that, Emerl vs Zero
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>>92680134
You're thinking of Binary, a level of power Carol reaches when she absorbs enough energy. She can do this at literally any time, if she gets juiced up enough. And fighting an android with an infinite energy supply is certainly going to give her a chance.
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>>92673115
>the manga and anime are different canons
I mean, well, they are. They follow the same general story line but go about it in different ways. It's kind of like in the Teen Titans show and the new movie in terms of Terra. The same general plot (she's a traitor, Slade lies, she turns "good", dies) but they do it in completely different ways.
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>>92680155
She still didn't "tank" him, he literally no-sold her punches then casually punched her into orbit. Suggesting Carol is anywhere near Hulk's level is retarded.
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>>92680134
No, Binary. And weakass Binary. Her access to Binary now was made by Cru having understood Carol's physiology well. Her first Binary was accessed accidentally theough experimentation. Cru reconfigured it to how she understood Carol.
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>>92680196
Not saying she's in his level but she surely can take thier punches and still survive. That's still tanking.
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>>92680196
Carol is more powerful than the Hulk, that's already been explicitly confirmed by Marvel.
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>>92679373
thanks
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18's just gonna feed Carl with Binary juice
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>>92680226
No, that's just not dying.

>>92680232
>using EMH as evidence
Instant failure.
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>>92680232
> base Carol
> not even Binary
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>>92680280
Still a durability feat. These are the Hulks.
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>>92680101
>Ben jewed Robotnik into tying

That was such horseshit. Roboenza should have weakened Metal enough for Zero to come out of his tube and finish him off for the win.
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>>92680259
18 doesn't spam ki blasts.
The only thing I remember the main timeline one using is when she threw a destruco disk at Mighty Mask
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>>92680172
I just looked it up and Binary looks very familiar, so you're probably right.
I only really know Carol from a few things /co/ posts, and from Silver Age X-Men, so I apologize for not realizing that's in her standard kit.

>>92680140
So which fight do you think they fucked up?
Because I can think of 2 right now.

>>92680232
Man, they really want Carol to be their Superman, don't they?

>>92680161
>he hates Silver even more
For sure. To be fair though, I think anyone who played 06' would.

>That just makes it weirder because of all the inconsistencies.
I mean they stopped using Archie stuff when they got to the Knuckles fight, which to me either means
>The rest of the SA crew told Ben to stop pulling shit from it
or
>Everyone realized how awfully written and power creeped Knuckles was in Archie, and decided to ignore it since it was mostly retconned anyway.
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>>92680039
>> KO'd Ronan
Carlfags making shit up?
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>>92680304
Future 18, who is nowhere near regular 18, took punches from Super Saiyan Trunks in the face and laughed at him.
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>>92680307
>Wily getting to use a robot that he never actually controlled or used in the main series
Eggman has more of a claim to Chaos than Wily does to Zero.
Plus everyone forgot that Eggman has a giant space station that could just blow up the planet, if you really want to bring in everything both parties have.
Though, really, how the battle should have ended is with Metal getting to Wily, and Wily just convincing him to turn on Eggman. Because, after the day is done, convincing people and robots to act against their best interests is Wily's real strength.
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>>92680311
>I mean they stopped using Archie stuff when they got to the Knuckles fight, which to me either means
But then they used it again for the Amy fight. I get why they didn't use it for Knuckles (At least pre-reboot), but then they used Boom. At least use the reboot stuff, since it's 100% less retarded and has actual feats to pull
>and decided to ignore it since it was mostly retconned anyway.
If that was the case then half the feats for other characters wouldn't even fucking be there, and the DK show wouldn't be counted since it's nowhere near canon, but I'm just rambling
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>>92680311
>So which fight do you think they fucked up?
Cap vs Batman. Sure, Bats has stealth, but he has nothing in his normal arsenal to take advantage of it. Nerve blows through armor? Not likely. Electricity? Again, armor, designed to block just that. Explosives? Dislike the event all you want, but Steve as still barely harmed by Gambit charging his costume while he was wearing it. On top of that he's simply stronger, faster, tougher, and more experienced in combat. Cap can throw his shield fast enough to catch up to an ICBM, and hard enough to go through a large engine block. Batman wouldn't last ten seconds.
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>>92680335
Why you wnet to 18? We were discussing if choHulk punching Carol is tanking or not.

So you agreeing she tanked a Hulk and countered with 18 feat?
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>>92680370
To be fair, the only thing the DK show even gave DK was a really weird weakness.
But yeah, you're right, they're very weirdly inconsistent with sources for some reason.
What's worst is when they bring in Smash feats for characters that don't need it, like Luigi getting his final smash for no real reason.
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>>92680398
>What's worst is when they bring in Smash feats for characters that don't need it, like Luigi getting his final smash for no real reason.
I think this could be solved one of two ways:

>1. Original source material only. Take one continuity and stick with it.
>2. Use EVERYTHING unless it make things stupidly unbalanced (Silver Age Superman comes to mind)
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>>92680393
Yeah, Cap vs. Batman was a weird one, but they're close enough that I'm not going to fight people about it over the internet.
Now Pikachu vs. Blanka and Toph vs. Gaara, I can poke a million holes in either of those, those two fights are so poorly thought out and executed that it's painful.
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>>92680436
I'm not even opposed to taking from multiple sources, especially since some characters need it to form a cohesive idea of what they're capable of (Mewtwo comes to mind.)
But they really need to draw the line at a certain point, and stick with it. Peach gets sports games feats, but Bowser doesn't get Party feats? Make up your minds, SA.
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>>92680444
>Now Pikachu vs. Blanka and Toph vs. Gaara, I can poke a million holes in either of those, those two fights are so poorly thought out and executed that it's painful.
Pikachu vs Blanka was just horribly unbalanced and terribly thought out, and Toph vs Gaara, well, I'm a casual fan of Avatar and have 0 experience with Naruto and I still called bullshit
>>92680477
>I'm not even opposed to taking from multiple sources, especially since some characters need it to form a cohesive idea of what they're capable of (Mewtwo comes to mind.)
>But they really need to draw the line at a certain point, and stick with it. Peach gets sports games feats, but Bowser doesn't get Party feats? Make up your minds, SA.
Exactly. I don't mind them picking from different sources, but like you said, their need to be a line drawn, there needs to be a level of consistency.

Basically if say, Mario gets Mario PArty feats, so does Luigi. Everyone gets the same pool of things to draw feats and research from.
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>>92675810
Blade would easily kill Sakura
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>>92680444
I never touched pokemon so I have no idea about Pikachu, but Toph vs Gaara was legit. He covers himself in her own weapon, she can turn sand back to stone and take his weapons away. And Gaara? Has NO power over metal, that gold dust he added to his gourd sand is doing him no favors against the girl who invented metalbending. He lacks the speed feats most Naruto characters have, and because she can sense earth not touching the ground, flying is zero help, not when he needs to o it using and, which she can use to kill him. And if you watched season 3, you'd know she had massively improved her sand bending, it's not a weakness for her, period.
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>>92680444
everybody knows if we threw Ash into the mix "the dude who can bench press hippos and throw tree logs back at robots while they were fired at him and the fact he knows a clear difference between a fair game of pokemon and full on life or death situations" then Pikachu would've won hands down.

But then again I'm one of those faggots who thinks Voltron vs Megazord would've been 50/50 if they used the Ninja Megazord and Red would've beat Tai if he had his full team.
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>>92680552
>I never touched pokemon so I have no idea about Pikachu,
I'm a pokemonfag, but keep in mind I haven't watched the anime, so here goes. In terms of Electric type, Pikachu is really nothing special. At best the ability Lightningrod would let it absorb electricity but in terms of raw physical power Blanka shits on Pikachu every which way
>>92680526
>Basically if say, Mario gets Mario PArty feats, so does Luigi. Everyone gets the same pool of things to draw feats and research from.
Actually, better example. If one Pokemon gets to use all the TMs, tutor moves, and level up moves it could possible have, so can all the rest. Otherwise, level up moves ONLY
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>>92670219
>Ultron vs Braniac

NERDSSSSSSSSSS

I wanna see this.
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>>92680421
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>>92666892
One is from a show with obsessive childish fans and the other is an obsessive child
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I'm conflicted:
On one hand I wanna see Carol die Brutally but on the other I wanna see DBZ fanboys lose their collective shits again.
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>>92680526
>Pikachu vs Blanka was just horribly unbalanced and terribly thought out
Hell yeah it was.
Ash's Pikachu has canonically blown up mountains and buildings. Blanka would get fucked by that kind of electrical output.

>>92680552
Several things wrong with the Toph vs. Gaara fight.

1.) Despite Toph's training, she still has nowhere near the experience in manipulating sand that Gaara has.
2.) Benders in the Avatar universe usually have trouble with fighting spirits, and spirits can usually override benders in the case of elemental manipulation (which is why the Avatar is such a big issue). Guess what control's Gaara's sand shield?
3.) Gold is actually a metal that contains very few, if any, impurities, and thus would not actually be subject to bending by Toph (this is actually brought up plenty of times in Korra)
4.)Gaara's feats are simply way more impressive than Toph's, having things such as stopping meteors and continuously fighting people for several days at a time. Toph struggled to hold up a collapsing tunnel, and barely slowed down the descent of a large stone temple. Good feats, but not Naruto level feats.
5.) Gaara is still stupid fast, as all Naruto characters seem to be. And while he dislikes using physical combat, he's still clearly trained in it.
6.) Bending consistently requires movement from the user. Gaara's techniques specialize in inhibiting movement.
7.) Toph has never been shown to manipulate as much rock at once as Gaara has sand
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>>92679910
>> exploded and reformed
wat.

>> Small regen and stamina replenish through energy absorbed
BS. She doesn't have regen
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>>92680585
They explicitly used Ash's Pikachu, which, as >>92680657 said, has some insane feats under its belt even if it's done stupid shit as well, like lose to a Magikarp. Though, that said, even just taking into account pokedex entries and attack names, Pikachu should, as a species, be able to generate way more electricity than Blanka has ever been shown to be able to handle.

Also
>Blanka is resistant to steel because Electric Pokemon are resistant to steel!
is a fallacy.
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>>92680621
So is the joke that both of those statements apply to both characters?
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>>92680657
1. You assume she stopped improving, she was 10 when she made that scale model of Ba Sing Se out of sand, and only got better from there.
2. A ghost. Feel free to prove Gaara's mom i stronger than Toph's bending.
3. Only platinum can't be bent, no other metal is even implied to be difficult.
4. Yes, Toph did these things, AS A CHILD. She got older. Old Toph's feats and experience count a well.
5. Show me his speed feats then. Not that it matters, he covers himself in sand he can bend. He can't dodge her attacks when he willingly covers himself in her own weapon. All she needs is to successfully bend a small bit of his sand armor ONCE, and she can drive a spike into his brain or heart, because it's already against his skin.
6. Assuming he'd actually get her with said techniques.
7. She held up a mountain. And it' not the volume that matters, see #5.
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i love android 18, but this doesn't seem like the fairest fight tbqh
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>>92680796
for Carol.
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>>92680796
It's a DBZ character, it wouldn't be fair otherwise, hell Power Levels don't even mean anything anymore since anyone who does enough push ups can just tank planet buster punches and blasts.
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>>92680796
It's pretty much like Kirby vs Buu, no matter what Buu (18) throws at Kirby (Carol) they can eat (absorb) it and use it against them. Unless 18 uses ONLY physical attacks she's just going to give Carol power.
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>>92680786
You're just ignoring all my arguments in the dumbest way possible. Why would I bother going any further, since apparently Toph can run at Gaara at mach speeds (which she would need to to avoid the constant sand attacks) and can manipulate sand better than a guy who grew up doing it and can stop meteors and straight up change an entire ecosystem from plains into desert with the stuff.
What's really funny is that in trying to come up with these bullshit reasons why Toph could possibly win, you're devaluing the thing that makes Avatar a much better series than Naruto.
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>>92680651
Stand by the Queen and you will be rewarded for your loyalty.
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>>92680905
I mean, 18 doesn't actually spam ki attacks very much, so that's very much a possibility.
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>>92680910
I'm ignoring nothing, I'm either asking for feats, or pointing out your arguments, aren't actually arguments at all. I never said Toph was a fast as Gaara, I asked you to prove how fast Gaara was, then pointed out it DOES NOT MATTER anyway.
>uh, um, devaluing, um...
Nice try, but trying to get me to not want to argue is always going to fail. Avatar is a better series than Naruto, AND Toph would easily beat Gaara, these things are not mutually exclusive.
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>>92680991
>I never said Toph was a fast as Gaara
>Assuming he'd actually get her with said techniques.
If you're going to shitpost, anon, make it less obvious at least.

But, just to get it out there, Avatar is a far more grounded series with far more consistent rules that didn't fall back on power creep to keep things interesting. Until Korra lol
Which is why any character outside of Aang would probably lose to any main Naturo character. Power Creeps a bitch.
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>>92680537
But Sakura has more cards, and they are more sentient than Blade's.
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>>92681057
I never said she'd dodge, you're making assumptions because you can't actually argue the point. She can simply stop the attack, turn it to stone so Gaara has no power over it anymore, or turn his own sand armor to spikes and KILL HIM before his attacks can reach her. Also, Gaara's own speed feats are not speed feat FOR HIS SAND, you have to prove both separately.
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>>92670502
No, Roshi's regular power level was about 100 to 120. His power level when using the full-powered Kamehameha (which is what he used to blow up the moon) is higher than that.
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>>92672998
In bizarro world, maybe.
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>>92673316
>being yelled at constantly to remind you that you aren't a real man
Chi Chi is so great. You're right, such a lovely woman.
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>>92673704
a bigger dick
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>>92678450
>Hercules vs Wonder Woman
Ends in dirty, sweaty, pseudo incest.
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>>92673860
>Name one quantifiable speed feat Saitama has.
Spoiler warning

In the fight with Garou, Lightspeed Flash is able to close the distance between him and Garou and unleash a barrage of attacks within a thousanth of a second or so. Garou is able to defend against each attack

Saitama is faster than Garou to the point that Garou struggles even with the concept of moving faster than Saitama


Saitama just doesn't seem to have an upper cap on speed, strength or endurance. That being said, although he is resistant to psychics I don't know if he could resist reality warpers.
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>>92671073

to be fair, Super is reckoning a lot of canon on the way. Saiyajin are know more like Hulk, fueled by rage and they have the potential to get stronger indefinitely.

If you mix other shit like female Saiyajin getting SSJ1 out of the blue and hybrids being stronger than pure bloods, Super is getting Marvel and DC levels of absurdity.
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>>92681347
While that's impressive, it's still far slower than Quicksilver.
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>>92673937
Quicksilver can run faster than light.
>he out ran radio waves before, a form of light

Jumping from the earth to the moon doesn't even come close.
>299,792,458 mi/sec speed of light; 238,900 mi to the moon. In one second, that's .0797% the speed of light if he jumped that distance in only 1 sec.
>he did it in more than 1, so at least halve that percent

You can run around the planet more than 12,000 times in 1 second.
Speedsters are always overpowered if you actually use real science in comics.
But after all that, I think Saitama would win against Quicksilver (in a comic book physics fight.) The force of his punch cleared mountains, an entire range, also I don't think a kitchen knife will hurt him.
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>>92681437
Well, I guess, but I don't know what QS is expected to do. Saitama seems to be sitting around Silver Age Superman levels of bullshit, though I don't think he can go into space so he's got a big disadvantage there.
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>>92667093
Vegeta when he first visited Earth was already a planet-buster

Vegeta when he got the shit kicked out of him by 18 with zero effort was literally more than a million times stronger than that
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>>92673419
toonforce has never faced, from what I've seen, mental domination abilities and reality altering abilities
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>>92681443
>You can run around the planet more than 12,000 times in 1 second.
at the speed of light.
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>>92673419
>Without it

I...what? They started with Forbush Man and kept adding them. How fucking casual are you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQTT23BdABU
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http://www.strawpoll.me/13037720
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>>92681735

I voted entirely based on how much I enjoy the characters.
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>>92681838
Judging be the results, everyone did.
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>>92666892

Android 18 has infinite energy doesn't she? She can probably fight SSJB because that's how Super rolls these days
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>>92668534

Because Wonder Woman has already been in a battle and Supergirl would have to work under the same rules they have for Superman so it would just be a stomp
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>>92681948
all they had to do was wait 4-6 weeks for more feats of strength and information since Carol is going to do something in Secret Empire and 18 is going to fight in a tournament where power and conventional dragon ball rules don't apply
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>>92681964
That doesn't stop Batman, Charizard, and Goku from getting rematches though, I think Wonder Woman can have another swing at things since her movie is coming out soon and her Injustice 2 model is decent looking
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>>92681466
>>92681466
IIRC he leaped onto the moon at one point
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>>92671067
She used one on Mighty Mask
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>>92681347
Honestly anybody who seriously cares about a "Saitama vs" scenario is an idiot. The whole point of his character is showing the pointlessness of power level wanking because the writer can pull whatever "feat" out their ass.
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>>92673045
Tifa and Bayonetta?
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>>92682693
>Tifa and Bayonetta?

You didn't cheat, did you?>>92673903
If you didn't cheat, good job!
If you did cheat, shame on you.
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>>92682843
Didn't cheat. Tifa vs Yang was bullshit because Tifa's a fucking final fantasy character and Yang is some OC donut.

Bayonetta vs Dante was even bigger horseshit because Bayo can literally stop time.

>everyone in this thread using logic for why 18 would win

when the fuck has DB ever gave a shit about character logic. watch scout vs tracer. they're gonna make 18 keep powering carol with energy.
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>>92673903
Common picks are common for a reason. Top tier girls anon

>>92674397
>>92674452
fags
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>>92681924

Can you blame them? Marvel really fucked up with Carol.
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>>92668534
Because their rating improve if they make an anime character lose. They even mention it kind of jokingly in a few episodes. They're using 18 just so Carol can beat her and the comments blow up.
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Okay which one of you faggots was it
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>>92683079
Me.
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>>92682981

On top of that, 18 has always been top tier.
Blonde hair? Check.
Blue eyes? Check.
Killer body? Check.
Well groomed? Check.
Her character has always been rather consistent with the whole "Playing it cool and slightly bitchy", yet always showing concern and varied degrees of softness with the people close to her, and over time the bitchiness wanes and the cold shoulder warms up...But never completely.

Carol on the other hand has never had any positive character traits throughout her entire lifespan.
She's either been a naive bimbo, a mean-spirited drunk, an authoritarian bitch, An authoritarian bitch with a dyke cut, or in a coma.

The freakin' half-toaster displays human emotions better than the fully organic being doing.
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this is a bit of a circlejerk innit?
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>>92670928
>inb4 they cite GT as canonical information for 18 continuing to spam her energy attacks because Goku did it against Super 17 for no reason
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> once upon a time
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>>92683323
Marvel's Marvel Family is the most boring shit ever. No, him getting cancer wasn't interesting, and that's all he's remembered for anyways. He's remembered for dying and that's it, what an amazing legacy.
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>>92679780
>since the power gap between the Sonic universe and the Scott Pilgrim universe is fucking obscenely large
I don't know enough about Scott Pilgrim to know which way you mean, do you mean Sonic characters are way weaker or stronger than the Scott Pilgrim characters? I can only assume you are saying that in favour of Sonic characters since they tend to be ridiculous.
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>>92679780
Peach vs Zelda, and the only reason Peach was was because of her animations in the soccer game.
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>>92670219
>>Name some interesting Marvel vs DC matches
Doc oc vs joker
>>Name an Anime vs Anime match
Goku vs Dio
>>Name an East vs West match.
Quote vs shovel knight
>>Name an interesting army vs army match (like Wiley vs Robotnic)
Shinobi alliance vs 4 nations from 1st season avatar
>>Name a squad vs squad match (no more than seven members per team)
Power rangers SPD vs crystal gems
>>Name a spaceship vs spaceship match
Kirby halberd vs diamond ships (SU)
>>Name a mecha vs mecha match
Gurren lagann vs getter robo
>>Name a handicap match (as in several weak characters vs one strong character)
The OG avengers vs madara
>>Name an AI vs AI match
Star dream vs Jarvis
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>>92683135
>Naive bimbo

H-Hot
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>>92670219
>Marvel vs DC matches
Deadpool vs Lobo
Cyborg vs Vision

>Anime vs Anime match
Spike Spiegel vs Space Dandy
Michiko Malandro vs Faye Valentine

>East vs West match.
Aang vs Naruto
Sailor Moon vs Star Butterfly
Madotsuki vs Frisk

>squad vs squad match
Suicide Squad vs Defenders
Overwatch vs TF2 (have it pick up from Scout vs Tracer)

>mecha vs mecha match
Big O vs EVA 02
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>>92683504
>Goku vs Dio
Goku could brute force his way out of Hit's time stop and can absorb/weaponize solar energy via spirit bomb so the only chance Dio has is to out-keikaku someone largely to stupid to keikaku
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I don't feel like making my own thread, so I'm gonna post it here. Are there any good runs of Captain Marvel after she got redone.
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>>92681443
>Quicksilver can run faster than light.
>he out ran radio waves before, a form of light
Only if you're absolutely certain that the writer didn't goof up and confused "sound waves" with "radio waves".
Most of the time they showed Quicksilver going like Mach 4 or 5 at the most, then suddenly out of nowhere he can outrun radio waves? It's most likely just a gaffe...
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>>92673187
>Saitama vs Goku
>Gag character against non-Gag character
That's not a fight. That's a prolonged murder.
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>>92684373
ANAD is alright, but half of it got forced into being about CWII which meant it was only allowed to tell one other story arc before it got cancelled.


the Time Runs Out story with her and kamala was pretty good unless you hate Kamala
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>>92683135
So much truth in this comment
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>>92670219
Army vs Army

Battle of the Green Army
The Orcish Horde (Warcraft 1)
vs
The Shu Kingdom (Dynasty Warriors)
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>>92673011
She's a cyborg you numbskull.
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>>92671295
>DB gives this to Carol cause 'muh energy'
>Even though 18 would probably just stick to physical attacks rather than power her up after figuring it out
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>>92670120
Supergirl is alot weaker than Superman. She's just worse at holding back than Superman so she commonly LOOKS like she's above his powerlevel. Since she's so much weaker she might actually be weak enough to fight 18.
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>>92674246
yeah. Jack would wipe the floor with Kenshin. Kenshin is set in a much more realistic setting. And DB loves to give the win to better feats of strengths, which Jack has.
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>>92672338
A) The annihilation wave is basically an antimatter universe opposite to the regular universe.
Under normal circumstances that makes it at minimum equal to the size of the regular universe.
The annihilation wave was an invasion by the entire population of said place to give you a slight sense of the scale involved here.
They actually managed to kidnap Galactus and use him as a weapon. The small scale fights had collateral damage the size of solar systems.

B) Now thanks to a later retcon this got even more absurd as there is apparently only one negative zone which means the negative zone is actually the size of the sum total of the rest of the multiverse. Since the annihilation wave happened in alot of other universes we can at least theorize that the attacking forces got evenly split to merely equal to the size of the universe in each dimension.

So when a retard says that they're bigger than the annihilation wave it is literally and figuratively impossible. It is resoundingly stupid and wrong on a scale that the human mind is actually incapable of numerically fathoming without going insane.

The chitauri would rule the universe instead of being a pathetic joke of a villain race by default simply by BEING most of the universe.
At the implied scale they could send an infinitesimally small amount of their forces to simply blot out the sun whether it's just standing in the way of the light or launching a suicide attack to actually try and snuff it out like a candle.
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>>92684489
they did a Quicksilver vs flash (barry allen) episode
quicksilver ran faster than radio waves, he outran a transmission bad guys were relaying
and flash ran 14x the speed of light, fucking DC and their 5yr old story telling skills
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>>92684489
see>>92674787
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>>92666892
*tucks hair behind ear*
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>>92681466
>but I don't know what QS is expected to do
Cut his throat, since Saitama has shown zero resistance to being cut.
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>>92688616
>Someone who jumps to the moon in the blink of an eye when they're not even trying
>Slower than QS

lmao
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>>92689631
Yes, it is funny that no one can find a legitimate feat of reaction time for Saitama that would stop this from happening. And JUMPING is a feat of STRENGTH, not SPEED.
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>>92690113
if you watched the show you'd know desu.
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>>92680905
But why would she fire more than one, then?

Carol's never exactly subtle when she absorbs a ton of energy, and 18 is familiar with the concept.
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>>92680421
Perfect Death Battle Contender
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>>92670290
>>92670330
>nonalcoholic vodka
This is by far the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
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>>92690518
It exists.
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