>made over a billion dollars >Won an academy award >Barely

>>92632347

They wanted to make a film that told a story and developed characters rather than a commercial to sell merchandise?

If you want the latter, go watch Frozen.

>>92632347
they knew how much we wanted it.
Actually they probably thought it would flop

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>>92632347
these are the same people who screwed Wander Over Yonder. no merchandise and not putting the show on XD was a death sentence

>>92632358
>They wanted to make a film that told a story and developed characters rather than a commercial to sell merchandise?

>Disney
>Doing it for the art

>>92632347
they probably did not anticipate that it would be a big hit

at least we got a carrot sound recorder pen

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>>92632387
*putting the show on XD was a death sentence

it's hard to type with tears in my eyes

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>>92632347

did you forgot how that movie was made?

"let's make apartheid with furries, this will teach these evil racist whites!" "oh no, pixar told us it was bad it, deadline soon!"

Blame this, they pulled bigger dodge than kingdom of the sun/emperor's new groove. Just be glad Disney allowed them to finish it.

ps. Academy awards are a joke, DONT FORGET THAT.

>>92632516
*pixar told us it was bad idea

Who do you think will be the main purchaser of Judy plushies, and Nick face masks?

Disney didn't want to create a furry exodus,they are preventing that timeline.

>>92632516
>pol manbaby

Disregarded

>>92632347

Little to no merchandise because it's not a Disney princess movie. Have you seen the shitload of merch those movies get?

>>92632347
>Little to no merchandise

It may not have Frozen levels of merchandie but holy crap are you blind or willingly ignorant?

>>92632347
all I care about are Judy plush toys and Nick and Judy figurines

>>92632610

He just wants something more sophisticated, like fox plushie with SPH to fuck.

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I think the real issue here is:
>Disney makes billions of dollars from Star Wars, MCU, and their own films and remakes
>Literally the richest company in America
>"Sorry, but Disney Infinity is simply too expensive to continue production."

>>92632549
>Prevent furry anything
>Disney

They basically created furrydom.

>>92632718
It's not that it's expensive, it's that it's not making money.

>>92632718
>we'll never get those 12-inch mega figures for 4.0
It hurts.

furry thread >>>/trash/

>Barely an merchandise or tie in material before, during or after it's release

Are you kidding?

>>92632671
Or he's just moving the goalposts so he can pretend he's enjoying the "underdog" movie.

>Disney didn't market this enough! It'll bomb on the box office!
>Ok it didn't bomb, but it won't make a lot and won't be popular!
>Alright so it got Infinity figures and shit, but it still won't make a lot of money!
>A billion means nothing!! It's gonna get snuffed at the Oscars in favor of Moana
>It still doesn't have enough merch!!! Disney doesn't give a shit about Zootopia!

>>92632718
>what is total revenue minus total cost

>>92632398
More like
>a film that makes money because it's a good film not just a toy commercial for itself

Like films used to do. Way lower investment.

>>92632718
Disney is not the richest company in America

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>>92632398

that's Pixar's job now.

Disney makes movies.
Pixar does toy commercials.

>>92632347

There was merch, it was all exclusive to Target. I had to keep stocking the damn things since I work overnight.

>>92632881
>>92632610
All I've ever seen from browsing countless Disney stores, toy stores and places like Walmart are Nick and Judy plushes. Those Infinity things exist and that cheaply printed comic was a thing but other then that nothing. All I'm asking for is an adult medium sized ZPD sweatshirt in the vain of those NYPD or FDNY sweatshirts or something similar. Is that too much to ask

>>92632358
>if you want the latter go watch Frozen
Disney thought Frozen was going to tank and never produced any merchandise. That's why the merch you see has the same faces over and over and over because as soon as they realized they made a cash cow they had to shit out as much product as possible but only had material from promo posters to work with.

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>>92632914

>Zootopia is the next Lion King!
>Moana is the next Pocahontas!

yeah right, that priviledge belongs to Frozen, both were insanely popular and are going to be mined for decades to come.

sequel in two years , dont forget!

>It's a /co/ tries to divine corporate plans based on pure speculation thread

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>>92633192

pretty much, they plan such things years in advance,currently they're focused on Cars 3 and Coco, then we'll ge merchandise related to Wreck it Ralph 2. then Frozen 2, I'd rather wait for the Zootopia sequel, then they'll go with toys full force.

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Will Disney get it dismissed?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/disney-seeks-dismissal-zootopia-copyright-lawsuit-1006641

>>92633407
Lmao Asshole Hyena fits Nick better than Smug fox

>>92633407
Zootopia was publicly announced years ago and been in development since. Where were the lawsuits back then? Sounds suspicious as hell.

Sudden accusations of plagiarism, that just so happen to show up after the movie has become a huge success, are nothing new. Happened to Kung Fu Panda as well, and that case was even more ridiculous than this.

>>92633504

It raises red flags for me as well. There was a pretty big window of opportunity for a lawsuit long ago, and all of a sudden this guy tries to claim Disney ripped him off once the movie proved itself to be a big success?

Smells like an attempt to get a slice of profit pie.

>>92633504
Oh shit, wasn't the Kung Fu Panda one about a guy trying to say that DW stole his ideas but it turned out he traced it all from a coloring book?

>>92633587
Disney could just pay him off and not face any repercussions for doing so.

>>92633820

But it still raises questions; why did he opt to voice his complaints -now-, after the movie proved to be a financial success? If he was truly behind the original concept he could've threatened with a lawsuit while the movie was still in production phase.

When someone hops onto the "lawsuit bandwagon" long after something made money, it usually indicates that the person involved is a scammer only interested in trying to get rich quick by riding off of that thing's popularity.

Hell, I can draw slightly different redesigns of Disney characters too, and then say Disney ripped me off!

>>92633820

Would you pay money to someone who claims you ripped them off when you never did such a thing nor have you ever met that person before? I know I wouldn't.

>>92633933
If I were endlessly rich and it shut him up, sure.

Keyword: Endlessly

>>92633959

Then you're a dumbass.

Because if you relent to one such con man, the word would spread around and then everyone and their grandmother would claim you stole ideas from them and demand "monetary compensation".

>>92632347
Good. Merch cheapens movies and shows.

>>92634003
>le slippery slope XD

>>92632347
They realize that a good amount of their success came as a result of legitimate furries repeatedly attending the films, grown men wanting to fuck the rabbit, and a Sanic tier fanbase pumping out porn around the clock. They don't want that associated with their image so they're probably going to let the hype die down and play a slow hand with the franchise if they choose to expand it. The family friendly branding of Disney comes first and foremost.

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>no merch

move to Japan, OP.

>>92632347
Post the full image already

>>92632347
Because Lion King vs Pocahontas repeated itself.

Disney did not have much faith in Zootopia, so they kinda laid low on the advertising / merchandise, while more focus was put on Moana.

and then Zootopia ends up blowing Moana out of the fucking water.

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>>92634329
>blowing Moana out of the fucking water.

ISWYDT

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>>92634329
>blowing Moana out of the fucking water.

A hearty kek was had.

>>92634329

Not just Moana, but Frozen as well. That's what I call "killing two birds with one stone".

>>92634329
The difference being while Moana didn't make mega-bucks like Zootopia did, it was still much better received than Pocahontas.

>>92634494
Did Frozen go through the same thing? I never really paid attention.

People keep comparing Lion King+Pocahontas with Zootopia+Moana because it's so damn similar; both of them are "brown princess movie" VS "talking animals movie".

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>>92634494
>>92634329
>>92634527
>>92634533


because it's Frozen that is modern Lion King, an insanely popular movie, and Disney was banking on Big Hero 6 because of the superhero craze.

Zootopia is like Kingdom of the Sun, a movie that was going to be competely different than the one we got.
There's even documentary about it.

>>92634618

Yeah, I remember the original details about Zootopia's early draft. I read somewhere that, besides the darker "prejudice against predators as they wear shock collars" script, there was another initial script which resembled Lethal Weapon films, with Nick being the rebellious cop and Judy being a more law-abiding cop with a family and kids of her own.

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>>92634682
first idea was about some Donutsteel bunny Jack Savage.
then they went o africa to see animals in their natural habitat and got an idea "predators = minorities"

>>92634618
And just like Kingdom, the final movie ended up being much better than the original concept.

>>92633047
It's the ultimate price John Lasseter had to pay for his arrogance.

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>>92635022
>arrogance

elaborate

>>92632347
I hope the sequel fixes the biggest issue this movie had: no princess.

>>92635101

Fuck off.

>>92633149
>Disney thought Frozen was going to tank

really? then why make it?

>>92632347
>barely any Merch
want to know how I know you're a neckbeard and not a parent?

I mean, there's still way more Frozen stuff, but yeah, bedsheets, t-shirts, stuffed animals, fucking shoes.

It's a children's movie. Of course the merch is for children.

>>92635101
>>92635112

no, bigger issue it's not a musical.Z2 should have dancing animals.

>>92634987

I agree, two hours of tormenting animals with no satisfactory conclusion does not make a good movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqlaPttudUc

>>92635200
Musicals are shit

>>92635022
>>92633047

I saw recently Inside Out added to women magazine, as if it was some sort of "babysitting" DVD movie.

Depressing what happened to this company.

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>>92632387
>>92632405
I find it hard to believe either of you gave a shit about WoY before season 2 and dominator showed up.

>>92638555
Such is the power of waifufaggotry.

>>92634745
>a gay director made a movie about minorities and discrimination
didn't see that one coming

>>92638657
he's a furfag.

>>92638686
it wouldn't surprise me the movie was entirely made for pandering furries, you can make a checklist of fetishes that are known to them just by watching it, wouldn't be a stretch they hired furry artist for the artwork and be allowed to make porn till their heart's content.

I like the movie and enjoy it but is being over valuated for a weak plot

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>>92638781

colorful, varied cast and worldbuilding is great fuel for artwork and fanfiction, that's why there's still /ztg/ on trash.
and porn
shitload of porn

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>>92635233
I would have more appreciated this version of the film instead but I understand why the studio took the direction they did.

>mfw I'll never get to see Nick sleeping in a drawer

>>92638956
i would prefer the original plot they had and not the one we got that so happened to be released when racial tension was everywhere, sure the original was also about segregation but you could detach it for how excessive it was

>>92635131
Gee I dunno Anon, perhaps movie making sometimes involves taking risks?
Trying thinking for yourself for once champ

>>92632754
It was making money.

It just wasn't making obscene amounts of money and was predicted to shrink in the future. Disney thought they could get a bigger ROI elsewhere.

>>92632718
>>Literally the richest company in America

Is Disney an Oil/Energy company

>>92634745
>Donutsteel
So are we using that word instead of "fictional character I dislike" now?

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>>92632347

>weaver still only making zootopia fancition/fanart

>>92632358
>a film that told a story and developed characters
How exactly?

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>>92639070
he moved to pokemon iirc

>>92639069
eh, he was some sort of grey tiger bunny. something that doesnt exist.

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>>92639097

Unless he's got another blog I'm unaware of, it's pretty much all "Pack Street" shit all the way down, with the rare 1-3 post break of something else.

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>>92639070
Nothing wrong with that.
He jumps around the furry fandom flavor of the month and makes it work.
Damn, if only more people were as good as this guy at mixing character personalities, lewd and funnies

>>92638066
>he thinks mothers using media to babysit their kids for them is a new thing
Parents have been doing that shit since television exploded in popularity in the 50's. Hell, parents in the 20's and 30's would often just dump their kids at Saturday cartoon matinees.

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The film was stuck in development hell through constant rewrites of the plot so Disney expect to have a bomb, they forgot that normies connect easily to animal characters and furries pay out loads of money for their love of anthro

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>>92639178
nah, they knew the movie's since 2013, only in early 2015 they got feedback it was a bad idea to tell it.

the weird thing about this movie it was "reanimated" , when you make a 2d movie you cant use existing footage anymore, thanks to CGI you can completely change scenes using existing models and locations.

>>92639140

>He jumps around the furry fandom flavor of the month

It's been flavor of the year at this point though, and he's neglected pretty much all of his own IPs as a result.

>>92639276
*movie's plot

>>92638555
>those trips

I'm neither of those people you have responded to, but I was enjoying the show when it first started.

>>92639276
>throughout much of production the story originally focused on Nick
>one year before release they decide to change direction and focus on Judy instead
That's the second time Disney made such a radical change to the story,the first one was Frozen

>>92639356
and that made them billion dollars.

Gigantic will be next.

>>92639415
do we know anything about gigantic yet?

i know it's coming out in 3 years

>>92639712

Jack still stuck in the bottle being the plaything for a giant loli.

apparently the story STILL doesnt work.

>>92639781
i don't understand why they have release dates when they have no idea what they're doing

working for disney must be stressful as fuck

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>Kubo and the Two Strings
>be in the same line as Sausage Party
>have barely advertisement or merchandise
>budget is 6 million dollars, box 6 million dollars
>lose an Oscar over an anthropomorphic movie
Laika should either fuck off or make a record label.

>>92639839

i think it's about finding a good story in new setting, and not repeat an existing one.

i had somewhere commentary from vimeo, possibly related.

oh here it is:

>"When we first make our films, they really dont work at all. They are just terrible they are like the worst movie you have ever seen. You have to go through the mistakes and failure. and intellectually people know,that but the failures i think are good are the ones that took place in the past but they dont want to make more in the future and you cant think that way. You have to say im gonna do something and there is a good chance it wont work and since disney animation went through this it became one of the lessons they put in the movie Zoot. They got Judy Hopps in the movie talking about what failure means to her."

>>92640099

Laika needs better writers and marketing.But since it's a passion project of Nike owner's son doubt it's gonna happen. Just be glad they're still making great looking stopmotion movies.

>>92639138
There's also Roommates.

>>92640202
But I wish they made 2D animated movies too.

>>92640494
what's their next movie?
I did hear they would be interested in 2d..

>>92640552
Idk, but it is on may 18th next year.

>>92640215
I want to kiss the humie right on the mouth

>>92633114
They ever release Stealth Suit Judy?

>>92632347
They blew their whole wad on Moana instead.

There was loads of Moana merch for months and months.

>>92638889
she's cute in uniform

>>92640970
I did buy Judy's Infinity figure. Never played the game, though.

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>>92641030

it was christmas release, nothing to be surprised about

but why would i want toys of three pigs, and one of them was white and useless!

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>>92634329
Moana had great music and visuals, something Zootopia sorely lacked. Zootopia was just a well-written buddy-cop movie with talking animals.

>>92641201
>talking animals
HOT talking animals

Because no kid is going to want a bunny rabbit action figure buy they're not cute or fluffy enough to be plushies

Furtopia is basically in the toy uncanny valley

>>92641201
>Great Music

Reprising the same song four times eliminates that by default.

>>92632347
>>>/trash/

>>92641329
>Starfox and Sly Cooper
>humans with animal heads
fuck off vanilla fag

>>92641293
Some of the songs are meh but the background music is the best they've had since Little Mermaid and Aladdin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYrYrwcNZtA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pycqku5TLYk

Zootopia's one song is so horrendously bad I thought I was watching Dreamworks for a moment.

>>92641329
>Starfox and Sly Cooper

Humans with animal heads, how boring.

>>92641329
The Sly Cooper movie may never be finished because the Ratchet and Clank film tanked

>>92641293
Still more memorable
I can't remember a single tune from Zootopia, but I get Moana songs going through my head occasionally.
And I've only heard them once when I watched the movie.
Thats pretty fucking catchy.

>>92641629
Moana is a musical, ergo more focus on the songs.

Zootopia is NOT a musical, thus no focus on the songs.

Complaining about Zootopia not having as many songs as Moana is like complaining that Social Network didn't have as many fighting scenes as Jet Li's Fearless.

Instead of the endless back and forth over what Zootopia and Moana did better than each other, I've noticed several flaws that are shared between the two.

For starters, I think Disney has serious problems writing male AND female characters. Women are always portrayed as go-getters who are stubborn and naturally talented (Princess and the Frog, Frozen, Zootopia, Moana), extremely acrobatic (Tangled, Zootopia, Moana), and progressive in some way (Moana, Princess and the Frog, Zootopia).

Meanwhile guys are portrayed as shifty and untrustworthy (Zootopia, Tangled, Princess and the Frog, Frozen)

The villains have been pretty awful. Lava spirit(can't be assed to remember her name) and Bellwether are just two sides of the same coin, an antagonistic element introduced at the end of the film, difference is that Bellwether had less foreshadowing. A mindless monster has no menace, the villain of Moana might as well have been Bees.

Finally, Zootopia and Moana both have these pacing issues where the last third of the movie is slowed down by a "separation of the group" gimmick that has been seen countless times before (Maui leaving Moana, Judy going back to Bunny Burroughs)

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>>92641998
>Social Network didn't have as many fighting scenes as Jet Li's Fearless.
I mean...

We can't get rid of the Zootopia toys where I work.
>a couple playsets
>action figures
>plushes
Where do you live where the supply is so low or demand so high?

i thought there was going to be a TV show? also there WILL be a sequel, don't worry.

>>92642071
You raised some valid points, but unfortunately I doubt we'll see any changes on these problems because, as far as Disney is concerned, they're part of a winning formula to a succesful movie, at least in the current age.

Same reason why many other movies, namely non-Disney movies, go for the "incompetent dorky guy teams up with tough, skilled woman" formula instead (Rio, Kung Fu Panda, Lego Movie, etc).

If it sells, it stays. When it doesn't sell, then it changes.

So was I supposed to think the prey were minorities, and the predators are whites who are being controlled into letting the minorities do what they want? Because I really did get that impression.

>>92639138
I know what comic that is from, and they should have just shown Mirage with an Aura around her and one panel showing what the illusion looks like.

Secondly, I was once told that they were hedging their bets on Finding Dory being the next big thing. However, Zootopia came outta nowhere and they scrambled like hell to push out merch.