>/co/ hates this excellent ending that wraps up the series

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>>92614828

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>>92614828
-Great show
-Never forgot it roots
-Had a completely satisfying ending wrapped up in a well paced movie
-Is universally loved by /co/

Samurai Jack did not do this.

>>92614828
I agree

>>92614828
>an ending where Jack leaves all of his friends behind
>doesn't even acknowledge the people who died to Future Aku
>barely interacts with any of the characters who died for him
>all so he can have his newly introduced waifu
>and then she's killed off, too, just for a forced bittersweet ending that would otherwise be happy since he got back to the past and saved his family
>true to the show's themes

Explain.

>>92614993
Neither did that show there. But keeping deluding yourself, anon.

>>92614828

>horrible ending

they could have went with "you can't change past but you have the power to change the future"

>>92614828
>while staying true to the series themes

>spends the first 4 seasons travelling earth searching for a way to return to the past and befriends all sorts of people
>risks his life and sacrifices opportunities to travel back to the past just to help them
>feels awful when he kills the sheep that helped him find a portal
>Final battle they all come to risk their lives to rescue him after he's captured by aku
>pretty much ignores them all as hes too focused on ashi and then suddenly travels back to to the past with no explanation to anyone, not even the scotsman, leaving them alone with no hope to defeat aku and then completely erases them from existence once he undoes the future

what was the point of the whole series? Why waste episodes showing jack and his regret over killing ashis sisters as well those sheep when its all going to be undone once kills aku in the pat. Why bother helping or befriending anyone? why didnt he just focus on his goal and have the series in the first season?

>>92614828
>Then what fucking endings does /co/ even like then?

Actual good endings

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>>92614828
>"lol Aku doesn't exist anymore"
>*poof*
>ASHI!!!!
>*crying*

Yeah, no, this ending was literally the entire opposite of what you claim it to be. Get your head out of your ass, it's clear that not enough oxygen is going to your brain, you inbred faggot.

>>92614828
The way I feel, the show was set up for a bad ending no matter what. Literally so much happens condensed into 10 episodes. Beggars can't be choosers, I guess I would have rather had more Samurai Jack then no Samurai Jack. But I would have preferred like 26 episodes with some more character development for Aku, Ashi and Jack. Like wtf happened for 50 years? Notice the only people who helped Jack in the end were from the earlier seasons which were just the first few years he was stuck in the future? Somehow Jack goes from almost committing suicide, to being able to face his inner demons and magically get his sword back, to falling in love in THREE FUCKING EPISODES! I just feel like Genndy was like fuck it I only got 10 episodes so I'll invent Ashi and just make it so she has Aku's powers in the last episode so I can easily transition to the show ending.

>>92615942
>Episode literally opens with Aku explaining the time travel plot to everyone on a TV
>Jack goes back in time like he always said
>Creates future people would want to live in
>Hurr somehow he's the badguy

>>92615942
This is why I'm convinced they'll make a 6th season where Jack somehow brings all the groups and Ashi back to life. Even if Genndy currently has no intention of it happening.

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I loved the ending.
SJ excels at visual storytelling rather than dialogue.

The ending is something that, the more I sat with it, the more I liked it.

I felt that it was conveyed that Ashi suspected that she would die when killing Aku. Knowing this, she still went through with the plan, and in dying, she restored the world to the beauty and wonder that Jack once knew and felt he had lost forever, as her last gift to him. In that sense, I found it to be unbelievably romantic.

The scene at the end under the tree was really beautiful and captured the sentiment well.

>>92616229
I thought they did it well, personally. There's a difference between rushing something, and cutting out unnecessary filler. Again, this is Samurai Jack. Rather than analyze a relationship based on dialogue, I feel like we were supposed to soak it in and feel it. Just my two cents.

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>>92614828
>Shot for shot rip off of Gurren Lagann ending
>Homage
I hate how homage apparently means completely copy.

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>>92617120
Was Genddy to blame for this?

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>>92617272
I want you to know I appreciate the chuckle that gave me.

>>92617120
Whats the show on the left? I recognize the redhead as the team rocket chick from Pokemon, but the artstyle doesn't look as pretty.

>>92616408
Yeah, I don't get why everyone assumes the worst when Jack travels back to the past. Maybe Aku disappears, and everyone is better off in an Aku-less future? What about the millions, if not billions, of people killed because Aku invited monsters and barbarians to kills civilians? People seem to believe the worst case of time travel law, when even that varies depending on the series. Jack's friends can still be born in this new future--the butterfly effect of whatever doesn't promise they stop existing.

>>92617448
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann

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>>92617272
Holy fuck my sides

I very much got a Link's Awakening vibe from the ending.

https://youtu.be/xBqkLx4AMrg?t=92

Basic backstory: Link from Link's awakening sets out on a journey on the sea. He hits a lightning storm and 'wakes up' on an island. He's told he has to awaken the wind fish to leave the island. Turns out it's all a dream.

By waking the wind fish, Link wakes himself up and destroy the island and all the people on it that he made friends with sort of deal.

>>92615614
The comic ended on that kind of bittersweet end and I find that they were all the better for it. It's essentially a lesson in not trying to recapture the memories past but keep moving forward to build a better future

>>92614867
/co/ - Comics & Cartoons

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>>92618090
I'm the fag that posted >>92617027

And yeah, I liked that too--I originally thought that was the route they might go in, because it seemed more poetic.

I feel that /co/ would find that ending similarly polarizing though, with how many people wanted him back in the past for the ending.

>>92617510
Actually it kinda does. Every life is forged in a specific second by specific events. Throw that off by even a second and you have someone completely different standing there in their place. The circumstances by which a lot of the people Jack met in the future were born was that Aku ruled the world. Take that away and you could have very well prevented entire family trees from existing due to different circumstances. That's the true horror of the butterfly effect when it comes to quantum causality.

>>92618267
Adding to this, if Ashi hadn't faded away, the implications could be left alone and people could assume "oh look good future was made! Strange time laws just made alt-versions of everybody, and time travel shenanigans let ashi and jack keep their memory".
However, doing what was done to Ashi opened the door to all of the horrific implications.

>>92614828
>Ashi's last line is literally exposition and fades out fast enough to make the scene hilariously bad
>OP will defend this

>>92614828
Give /co/ time. They'll accept the ending was actually good faster than was with Gravity Falls.

>>92614828
ones that arent shit you fucking faggot

>>92617272
fuck popeye wouldve been great

>>92620084
point out some positives with the ending.
>inb4 HIS QUEST IS FINALLY OVER YAYY LEEDLE LEEDLE LEE

>>92615538
I really wish they gave us a glimpse of Ashi + future friends in the afterlife or something. We know it canonically exists in the SJ universe and it would've made the ending much less bleak.

>>92618437
I want to know if the grimshit ending was Genndy's sole decision or if every other writer on the team was cool with it. It really doesn't fit the feel of the show at all. Jack spent his entire life suffering, he deserved some happiness in the end. Instead he ends up sitting under a tree, alone once again and alone forever.

>>92614828
Its a shit ending with an unsatisfying theme you fuckhead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5ARO37vOmA

>That ladybug showing that Ashi is with him

I don't know about you guys, but that ending made me more hopeful than anything

Jack's smile helped take me out of the bad mood I've been in for months

>>92621099
This is what pissed me off. Is she in the afterlife or isn't she?

>>92621099
Except that it's completely retarded that Jack made that connection. When they were trapped on the island Jack never saw Ashi drop her weapon over a bug, he was just sitting there playing with a bug.

>>92614828
One that isn't a rushed pile of shit.

Ashi was a poorly written and poorly used character. The final meeting between Aku and Jack (episode 9 and 10) were rushed. Jack being rescued and even rescuing Ashi to an extent were pretty good, and the call backs to the show worked well (except for them all getting there so quick, that was weird). Going back to the past, Aku leaving Ashi, and the apparent time skip to the wedding and then Ashi just disappearing we all poorly done. They either need more time to stretch out the ideas they wanted, or they needed more time to properly plan the episodes.

I honestly think they could have used all the same plot points of they had just spent more time on the planning/writing.

>>92615434
I don't care

>>92621239

They spent a few nights together, they probably talked.

>>92621222
This, since it was too rushed to establish the "rules" of time travel erasure among other things, Genndy really needs to address a few things.

>>92620084
I still think GF's ending was shit, so do most people with taste.

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>>92614828
The only way I can enjoy the ending is if I don't think about it.

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>tfw your parents had greater triumph and a much happier love story than you.

Why?

>>92621433
>>92621422
I really want to know why Genndy made the ending the way he did. It felt like it was forced to be bittersweet when a happier ending would've been a more natural conclusion. There were so many different ways things could have gone down that wouldn't have resulted in Jack getting shafted in the end.

It also bothers me that Jack is just ok with shit in the end. I was half expecting an after credits scene of him climbing up a mountain or something to kick the shit out of the Gods for being such useless assholes.

>>92620984
His Aku-timeline friends are still alive in their own timeline. Jack just ditched them and was hopefully able to kill Aku in their world by killing Aku in his.

>>92620984
Future ashi won't exist, she's literally half aku

>>92621099
Nope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euo98i4vuaU

Can we talk about how brilliant this scene is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8mcDmXqo3w

>>92621519
This.

What I said in another thread, Season 5 was excellent except for that ending.

Killing off Ashi at the very end during the wedding scene was completely unnecessary. The creators did that solely for edgy bittersweet bullshit that doesn't even make any sense. And it's not even that bittersweet, it's tragic.

It would have made more sense to end the series at the wedding or killing off Ashi much sooner

>>92614828
I thought the ending was fine, but it (and the last couple episodes entirely) could have been done better.

>>92621662
>The creators did that solely for edgy bittersweet bullshit that doesn't even make any sense.

Exactly.
I don't even like Ashi, but holy shit that was hilariously bad.

Even if Jack made it back to the past in Season 4 everyone would have died. Ashi or not.

>>92616148
sauce on that pic ?

>>92614993

>Never forgot it roots

Wrong. The later seasons are ass

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>>92621662
>And it's not even that bittersweet, it's tragic.
Finally, someone else gets it.

The ending was almost literally
>and by the way fuck you
with a completely unnecessary death that was ridiculously timed.

>>92621691
Oh, and Ashi's last line being exposition was immensely retarded.

>The sound of Ashi riding Jack animalistically and shouting "Samurai scum!" echoed throughout the palace and the village surrounding

>>92621581
>still alive in their own timeline

But then why did Ashi vanish?

>>92621662
>Killing off Ashi at the very end during the wedding scene was completely unnecessary. The creators did that solely for edgy bittersweet bullshit that doesn't even make any sense. And it's not even that bittersweet, it's tragic.

To quote a friend I was watching it with at the time:

>thats fucking bullshit, fuck you, theres no reason to do that at all

>>92621831
...it just occurred to me that Jack literally died a virgin. Nothing went right for him at all.

>>92621846
Never before has character assassination been literal.

>>92621894

They totally fucked before the wedding. It took a while for all of Jack's old mentors to arrive and for his parents to get back to good health.

>>92621831
>>92621894
You physically cannot reconstruct a palace, send out invitations, have people trek the world via sails, and accustom a person from a different time to your marriage customs and completely recover a slave from malnourishment in a short period of time.
My guess is they had at least a year or two to go at it like animals.

>>92621662
>>92621703
Let's just say that destroying Aku affects linear timeline and Ashi does disappear. Wouldn't it made much more sense to kill her off right after Jack killed Aku? From the looks of it it took some years after Aku was defeated seeing the kingdom was restored. Why specifically at the wedding?

And why does """"proper""" real life physics takes place all of a sudden at the end? Genndy came up with all these meme shit like the Celtic magic and god power. Why does rea life logic suddenly come into effect?

Honestly, I'm just triggered very hard at the ending. It just sucks.

>>92621978
>>92621974

Depends on how strictly Jack adhered to his bushido code. Samurai are supposed to remain celibate until marriage.

>Ashi died the night Jack was planning on slipping her his one eyed sea serpent

Also I think you might be forgetting Genndy is a hack fraud who forgot Jack's parents were elderly in the first episode before he went to fight Aku.

>>92621995
>triggered very hard at the ending
Welcome to the club.

>>92614828
Considering the previous timeline still exists since jack still holds his memories and younger jack was flung into the future. Ashi should've had a happy ending with jack and it should've ended fading out on the marriage scene and before it turns black you hear "WACHA"

>>92621995
>Why does rea life logic suddenly come into effect?

This is the one thing that really bothers me. Scotsman gets straight-up vaporized and comes back because "celtic runes", Hell there's so much deus ex shit in the original series as well! Like Jack vs the Ultrabots, Jack is about to get killed and he literally gets a asspull power boost to win.

Why is it that all of the sudden, Ashi who is HALF-human fucking vanishes when , she even said she felt Aku leave her AND it's been shown pieces of "Aku" can become their own being?

The ending was just fucking bad, it was so forced holy shit.

>>92622094
>"Dad, I just went through 50 years in the future and my new girlfriend helped me save all of your lives, does the code account for that?"

>>92622094
>Depends on how strictly Jack adhered to his bushido code. Samurai are supposed to remain celibate until marriage.

The palace was probably practically humming with sexual tension.

>>92617027
Agreed, ultimately. Also

>the tree is shaped like half a heart

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>Jack returns to the past
>defeats Aku
>undoes the future that is Aku
>/co/ is mad
ya'll are newfags and it's really fuckin obvious

>>92622168

Oh god, all those women jealous of this girl that Jack brought home. She's an outsider, mysterious, hot, /fit/, and could kick anyone's ass. Everyone wondering why Jack still has all these scars down his back and why has small traces of some black substance on his robe or body.

>>92621099
This.

>>92621222
Yes. A single ladybug under THAT specific tree JUST as Jack passed? With the symbolism involved in ladybugs? She's fine.

>>92621239
Ashi technically never told Jack her name either, but it obviously happened, since he definitely knew it. I'm guessing this happened some time after E6, when they had time to talk after the attempted suicide.

>ashi is disappearing
>no last second proclamations to the love of her life
>no meaningful statements
>"oh shit im going ghos-"
>poof
garbage

>>92622214
I've watched SJ since it came out in 2001ish? And I believe "rebuilding the future that was Aku" is much powerful than "undoing the future that is Aku."

>Ashi covered in black after realizing she had his powers
>Pulling Jack into the springs to have him wash it off for her

>>92622253
>I have defeated the evil that plagued our lands, but I'm marrying his daughter.
Every conversation resulting in the time-travel shenanigans would be priceless.

>>92622313
It blows my mind.

I actually liked the ending, but that right there was fucking dumb enough to almost ruin it for me.

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>>92622253
Do you suppose they roleplay the 'lecherous samurai and brave assassin' scenario?

LONG AGO ON A DISTANT NETWORK, I, GENNDY TARTAKOVSKY, something something BUT BEFORE THE FINAL SEASON WAS AIRED, I TORE OPEN A PORTAL, AND FLUNG IT INTO THE FUTURE

>>92614828
WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST LET JACK WIN. FIFTY YEARS, THIRTEEN YEARS OF A SERIES. HE SACRIFICED SO MUCH, AND THEY COULDN'T LET HIM WIN, ONE THING, ONE TINY THING.

>>92622214
Nobody is really mad he went back to the past you stupid faggot. Every is mad at that absurdly unnecessary grimdark ending they forced into the final 2 minutes.

>>92616148
Why is there a delayed reaction, days at least, between "I feel aku leaving me" and "without aku I don't exist oops"?

>>92622511
>days at least
It was years at least.

>>92622478
because muh bittersweet ending

It was bitter, not sweet at all.

>>92622538
>years
Probably months. Fuck, we don't even know THAT.

>>92622511
Maybe some divine intervention. Maybe it takes time for the ripples in the timeline to get back to the past.

>>92622478
You may be forgetting the part where he was able to finally return to the past and undo the future that was Aku.

He lost his waifu, but he finished his quest.

And hey, he's still a young man (physically). He's got plenty of time to move on and find a new lady.

>>92621831
>DECEIVER!
>WORM!
>SCUM!
>LECHEROUS SNAKE!
>NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO I SHALL NEVER GIVE IN!

>>92622447
>f-f-foolish *unf* samurai, I will *ah!* undo the eeeeEVIL that is *uh* you!

>>92621831
>samurai scum
>samurai's cum

>>92622447

>Jack sitting outside, far away from everyone, just taking in the summer air
>Suddenly senses Ashi's presence
>"Oh, I was wondering wh-
>She suddenly attacks him
>Jack is confused and more than a little worried
>Refusing to harm her, she easily overpowers and pins him down
>She exclaims that she's finally captured and defeated the foolish Samurai and will now use him for whatever she pleases
>"Ashi, what is this madn-?
>And then she grabs his dick
>"....oh"

And that's how Jack lost his virginity

Nobody knows if there was any Dean Martin music

>>92621831
>>92622572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnHo-XLjGn0

needs a SJ parody

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>>92622598
>>92622579

>>92622559
He also lost all of his friends and his comrades, and many others who were inspired by his greatness to try and build a better future.

And knowing how grimdark genndy tried making this ending, Jack will probably never move on and Just become old jack again. But now there will be no one to help him out of his depression.

>>92621753
Wrong.

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>>92622478
You want happy endings? Fuck you, life has no happy endings, the world doesn't care you exist, and it will fuck you into the dirt no matter how noble or hardworking you might be

That's the moral of Samurai Jack

better ending inc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOP4fa0tLmo
someone animate this then we gotta figure out how to pay phil lamarr and tara strong, get a literally who to voice the gods since who cares

>>92621846
>But then why did Ashi vanish?

Because she's directly related to aku perhaps?

Again did she vanish because time stuff? Or did she vanish because similar "The source of my evil half is gone so I gotta go poof" like ttgl?

I think jack's various friends from the future might be around, some may be unkilled due to aku not existing to kill them. They'll just be living peacefully on their homeplanets homelands and wherever else, with a faint memory of the time that may have been.

that's what I'm going with to justify the ending. Aku disappeared on the future folks,
and they all suddenly found themselves not fighting aku anymore, the world restored.

>>92622732

I want someone to just edit this into the episode and I can fully ignore that shitshow genndy tried to pull.


https://streamable.com/3jsad

>>92622632

>Ashi embarrassing Jack by showing him how much of his cum is leaking out of her

>>92622714
Thats only from Jacks point of view.
from ashi's perspective it is
You were born into the shittiest upbringing imaginable? well if you really work to overcome your evil nature and be good, you can get a glimpse of happiness before it is torn from you and your very being is erased from ever having existed.

>>92622559
>He's got plenty of time to move on and find a new lady
>implying you can meet woman like Ashi every dynasty.
Naw With an ending like that, I feel like he went celibate and travelled around Japan like a hermit until he died.

>>92621846
>>92622116
The thing is, I don't mind having a bittersweet ending, but it depends on which characters they portray it on.

I feel like having a bittersweet moment between Jack and his parents would have been much more powerful and tearful than an obvious sad couple trope.

For example:
>In the future, Aku is defeated
>still no way back to past
>Jack has another PTSD episode, but in a much brighter mood
>in a dream like state, he sees his parents and Jack turns into a child
>Jack rushes in and hugs his parents. They tell him how proud they are and how much they love him, even in afterlife
>parents bid farewell and wishes his son to finally have a happy life.
>both the parents and child jack are in tears as his parents vanishes into memories.

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>>92622794
>You made a mess, samurai...

>>92620084
if its anything like gravity falls all future threads about samurai jack will just devolve into people complaining ashi was shit and that genndy should have given more screentime to josephine clench

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>poorly paced
>Jack went back to the past because of an asspull of gigantic proportions
>Jack doesn't even really fight Aku, every else does though
>cheesy power of love garbage
>Ashi vanished later because of stupid reasons (AKA no reasons)
>Jack's father and mother are not old, proving that Genndy didn't even bother to watch the first fucking episode
>straight up ripped off TTGL

Futurefags are retards with no taste, the finale in papers is OK, but in execution is so fucking horrid I do not understand how could anyone like it. At least Ashi died and Jack went back so all the no-taste retards got BTFO.

>>92622666
>He also lost all of his friends and his comrades, and many others who were inspired by his greatness to try and build a better future.
He also ensured that the nightmare world they came from would never come to be.
They even made it clear that all of his allies knew his goal was to unmake Aku's entire reign.

>And knowing how grimdark genndy tried making this ending, Jack will probably never move on and Just become old jack again. But now there will be no one to help him out of his depression.
Did you maybe not watch the final scene?
The one that makes it clear Jack still has hope for the future?

>>92622732
>figure out how to pay

Given how many people are shitting fire over the ending, crowdfunding would probably handle it easily.

>Again did she vanish because time stuff? Or did she vanish because similar "The source of my evil half is gone so I gotta go poof" like ttgl?

EXPLAIN THIS GENNDY YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE

>>92618209
I did. I wanted him to get back to the past. Though that said I expected him to kill aku in the future and in the past.

That way future people become free, and an alternate timeline happens when aku didn't take over at all.

And again, maybe ashi still disappears and its because Nia style reasons instead of time paradox reasons.

>>92622809
Jack's parents were barely even acknowledged in the ending despite what happened to them being his biggest motivation to GET BACK TO THE PAST originally. I'm fucking mad.

>>92622853
>vaginas make me mad, I hate vaginas, reeee

>>92622853
A big final fight between Jack and Aku wouldn't have much weight.

Jack's been capable of kicking his shit in since literally the beginning of the show.

>>92622873
It's time stuff.
She said "without Aku, I would never have existed"
which is simply that her father was killed before he could provide a chalice of his dark nut.

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>>92622598
Joking aside, I actually could see Ashi taking the lead, since she seems to be much more assertive and to the point than Jack. And she doesn't give a fig about propriety.

>>92614828
Oh man, don't ask.

>>92622925
>what is the graveyard fight

>>92622938
But then why doesn't Jack vanish as well? No Ashi, no portal back to the past.

>>92622945
Her personality fits it but she also has literally zero concept of sex at all. The sight of Jack's dick would probably confuse the living shit out of her.

>>92622870
>He also ensured that the nightmare world they came from would never come to be.

They don't even exist anymore. You're looking way too deep into this; that whole scene showing the original intro was clearly fan service(good one I might add) and it was to rally all of Jack's friends to save him before he was killed. It had nothing to do with "Well if I save him, my friends and family will cease to exist better tell them that's whats gonna happen". And last time I checked wiping out entire civilizations from existing was the villans job.

>The one that makes it clear Jack still has hope for the future?

Yeah I also saw the episodes when Jack regained his hope and even found love, and look how that turned out.

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>>92622923
>pulling the gendercard already
pic
>>92622925
See: Birth of Evil episode 2

The Emperor vs Aku fight was amazing, good action, good art, good animation, everything was great, the fact that you think it couldn't been good just goes to show how little you cared about the original run, faggot.

>>92622945

>I actually could see Ashi taking the lead,

Jack wouldn't be able to see her take the lead when she surprise blindfolds him

>>92623004
So if Ashi was a dude and Jack sucked cock, you'd be totally cool with it?

>>92622978
Eh, this shit is mostly instinctive. Hell, even kissing has a strong instinct tie. She might not know the actual mechanics, but then neither would Jack, so they'd be on equal footing there.

>>92622978
>why doesn't jack disappear
Because Genndy cherrypicked when he wanted Time travel rules to have consequences and the extent of said consequences. This is why Ashi-fags are so butthurt, because it feels like it was written in last second as a sucker punch in the solar plexis as you were sighing in relief when she said "I'm okay, I felt him leave me."

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>>92622503
This. Everyone wants it to be bittersweet, but it was actually just bitter.

>>92623032
>Now let's get this robe off, samurai scum!
>Actually, it's a gi.

>>92623036
>STILL pulling out the gendercard
Are you retarded? No, retard, I wouldn't be okay with it because
1) It was shitty, the writing, the pace went to shit, the ""development"", the romance and of course the plot devices. It was all bad in the first place and it doesn't have to do with Ashi having a vagina
2) Samurai Jack was never about romance, you are basically asking me
>uhhh would have you been okay with romance in the last season of Samurai Jack?
No, faggot, I wouldn't.

Does anyone know the theme that played during the last few seconds of the episode?

>>92622978

>The sight of Jack's dick would probably confuse the living shit out of her.

>Ashi sees Jack's boner
>"I don't get it. The other girls called it his sword, but it doesn't look like one. Maybe I should kiss it first?"

>Jack sees Ashi's vagina
>"V-very well then. No more time to hesitate. But, how am I to start? Maybe I should kiss it first?"

Then they accidentally headbutt when going in for the kiss

>>92623051
They knew what they were doing when they kissed in episode 8. And I would bet money that she asked someone at the palace "any thoughts on what I could do to show Jack my love for him? It was fun and he seemed to like it when I rubbed faces with him!"

>>92623051
>Jack and Ashi screw
>she gets pregnant
>he never tells about about pregnancy
>several weeks later she feels something kick and starts freaking the fuck out thinking Aku is trying to bust out of her or something

>>92622503
>>92623071
What's grimdark about it? Jack just saved millions of people and you can tell he's happy nature is again after seeing everything Aku destroyed.

It's more sweet than bitter, if anything.

>>92623124
>women frighten me: the post
Grow up.

>>92614828
You fucks really need a damn sticky. Or at least have the decency to stick your whining at each other to one fucking thread.

>>92622313
>hmm what should her final words be to her loved one gennedy
>ok how about this "oh no jack this is it i am disappearing right now currently you are watching me disappear this is because aku is no longer alive because you killed him somehow with your katana thats only supposed to seal him oh no there goes my arm ow without aku i am nothing goofy.... gooofy.. gooobers... yeaaaaahhhhh-"

>>92623171
>FUCK SOMEONE IS SAYING SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE IN THIS THREAD?
>REEEEEE GOTTA MAKE ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT THE TOPIC THAT BENEFITS IN MY FAVOR
And so on.

>>92623084

>Actually it's a gi

Canon

>>92622714
>You want happy endings? Fuck you, life has no happy endings, the world doesn't care you exist, and it will fuck you into the dirt no matter how noble or hardworking you might be

You don't think we already know that shit?
I don't know about you but I watch cartoons as an escape so I don't have to feel or think about how shitty the real world is.

But if I am reminded of that even in my fav childhood cartoon might as well commit sudoku.

>>92622598
yeah id imagine repeating the mantras of her dead siblings that jack slaughtered would be such a turn on

>>92614828
we liked the comic ending faggot,is simple as that,no one gives a fuck about ashi death,no ones gives a fuck about ashi period,we just didn`t wanted jack to go back to the past

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>>92622598
God, imagine Jack trying to attempt dirty talk.

>"You...uh...wicked woman!"
>"Sorry, Ashi! Was that too mean!"

>>92614828
The moment he killed Aku in the past was when the episode ended for me. That's all I wanted to see.
>You're back already?
I like that he expected him to return this whole time.

>>92623258

>Leglocks Jack
>"Fool! You cannot escape my grip!"
>"A-Ashi, someone might hear!"

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nevr 4git

>>92623148
>saved the past of people by sacrificing his future
>even if Aku is gone his influence still fucked him up
>he can never enjoy the beauty of nature and victory with the only person he has loved, or will ever love
It's pretty tragic, desu. It's only sweet for people jack has saved but he basically got nothing out of it.

>>92623320
>"a-ashi why are you calling me a lecherous snake again?"
>"this time it's a compliment!"

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>>92623230
We can share the pain, anon

>>92623148
>saved millions of people
oh yeah he did that by sacrificing the billions that lived in future earth, including his waifu and best friend. Oh, and for what? a society that he barely fucking lived in.

>>92623345
can someone edit this gif so it just stays on the blank pictures forever? please? no loop

>>92617120
why did left girl disappear? did MC go back in time too?

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>>92622978
>The sight of Jack's dick would probably confuse the living shit out of her.

>"Is it supposed to look like that?"

>>92623434
Nah, she was an antispiral.

>>92623347
>I see what I want to see
stop being a retarded fanboy
>.00000001% of the people that were happy in Aku's reign ceased to exist so the remaining 99.9999999% didn't suffer
Jack is not a failure, he completed his mission.
>Jack
>troubled
He'll be fine, he has suffered enough and now he can relax and maybe even become the Emperor of Japan, maybe he'll get a new wife that isn't shit.
>muh person he loved
Jack knew her for like a week, they kissed once and that's it, Jack didn't really lost anything but time.

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>>92623171
oh sorry i didn't realize other shows from 12 year hiatuses just had their own (shitty) finale, let me apologize

just kidding fuck off faggot

>>92621519
>>92621662
completely agree with your sentiments. It is baffling why Genndy had to make such an edgy bittersweet ending for the sake of being all artsy-fag. No, fuck you genndy. A happy ending is not inherently less poignant or satisfying than a sad ending. A happy ending is not necessarily cheesy and for children. Fuck this contrived bullshit.

>>92623386
Are you retarded

Suffering Jack prevented > People that stopped existing

Don't be stupid, he didn't "sacrifice", he prevented.

>>92623310
thats the thing that never was explored in this season, how aku is like the joker to jack's batman

the comics explore it a little better i think

>>92622559
>And hey, he's still a young man (physically).

Thanks for reminding me that "time portals made me stop aging" bullshit that never got resolved. Is Jack inmortal now or what?

That would have been a better bittersweet ending:

-Ashi sends Jack back in time
-Jack finishes Aku and waits and builds up the world so that the in the future born Ashi can witness it, he waits and searches an eternity for her
-She founds her but alas, time aids has gotten her.
-She says goodbye being happy that he made it
-sad watcha plays

Making this happen without introducing the moral delema to Jack is pointless. If they were going to go this route, Jack should have had to make a choice: save his past or his present. Also, there's a far more interesting potential moral delema in that Ashi would be the last surviving piece of Aku, making her also immortal, and always at risk of growing back into her father.

Instead, Jack just gets fucked for no reason other than coming out of his shell. If he made some kind of moral breach of character like Oedipus that leads to a cascade of events and a tragic end, that's one thing, but the closest choice to that he makes is choosing to spare Ashi in the first place. I guess I just don't understand what they were going for. There's no point to be made beyond an emotional gut punch.

>>92623511
you're right he prevented the lives of all his good friends from ever existing just because he wanted to see mommy and daddy again, when he could've just seen them in the afterlife

meanwhile the people who he's prevented from being born dont get a life, nor an afterlife. good writing! what a hero!

>>92623525
>Is Jack inmortal now or what?

Jack was always immortal because he wasn't "supposed" to be in the future, so time didn't notice him. He'll age now. They'll have to wait a bit to be reunited.

>>92623461
we see a good portion of people living in relative peace during all 5 seasons of the show

all of jack's friends were living happy lives.

You can't have anything whole and complete. You don't get an epilogue saying everything is okay. You don't get the heroic end with a happily ever after.

You get this.

His purpose is fulfilled.

Aku never took over the world. The journey of fifty years of constant battle is over. Aku had a minute of relief before he got killed. And if he'd not been getting off on a moment of cruelty and killed Jack himself, then he might have won.

It was never going to end in Aku's world because Aku's world never came to be. All because of Aku.

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>>92623414
Anon who made the gif here.
here's an attempt to do so

>>92623446
>Ashi has a flashback to the leech monster and immediately attacks Jack's dick

>>92623511
>everyone single person alive in the future + all their potential offspring > people who died under Aku's limited reign

>>92614828
>Jack undoes the Aku future
>His decendents get nuked by murrica

>>92623461
This post is just some random angry shitposting.

Have a (you) and fuck off.

>>92623567
>you're right he prevented the lives of all his good friends
Yes, their suffering included.
> just because he wanted to see mommy and daddy again
And you know, because he needed to prevent the billions upon billions that have died and suffered under Aku's reign.
>meanwhile the people who he's prevented from being born don't get a life
I don't understand what's wrong about this, Jack was supposed to do that from the very beginning. Are you mad now Mr. Town rapist doesn't get to exist? Damn, what the fuck, Jack.

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>>92623461
>.00000001% of the people that were happy in Aku's reign ceased to exist so the remaining 99.9999999% didn't suffer

This is retarded logic. It's not like there won't be countless years of endless suffering in Jack's world either and even in the future there were more than 0.1% of people living in peace and surviving in Aku's future. That message is gone now because they don't exist anymore, no one is mad Jack went into the past, but there was many ways this could've been handled better.

>He'll be fine, he has suffered enough and now he can relax and maybe even become the Emperor of Japan, maybe he'll get a new wife that isn't shit.

Nice headcanon. But we get it, you hate ashi.


>Jack knew her for like a week, they kissed once and that's it, Jack didn't really lost anything but time.

Now you're just being retarded.


>stop being a retarded fanboy
Take your own advice

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>>92623565
this post pretty much sums up what people think when they write "genndy is a fucking HACK"

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>>92623623
Delete this.

>>92623459
I got another question:

a what?

>>92614828

If I wanted to watch Gurren Lagann, I would have just watched Gurren Lagann.

>>92622809
Wow your ending is infinitely better than this shitshow of a finale we got. That's actually an excellent way to get that bittersweet ending and also wrap up Jack's quest and his internal psychological conflict by having his parents forgive him and allowing him to move on.

>>92623565
>There's no point to be made beyond an emotional gut punch.

There is no point. That's why it feels shitty. Jack stayed true to the code and did what he needed to do, and he got shit on for it.

>>92623623
I appreciate the effort you put into this but you are a fucking monster for doing it in the first place.

Would a Dark Tower Ending be satisfying enough?

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>>92623632
>His decendents get nuked by murrica
I love how much people fixate on that shit. Let's forget all the people everyone killed with indiscriminate firebombing. Or conventional bombing. Nukes scary.

>>92623595
Being corrupted like the Ravers, being overtaken like the archers, living an endless war of attrition like the Spartans, being encroached on like he Atlanteans, and generally being slaughtered by robots and monsters is not a happy life.

>>92623635
(You)
>>92623649
So you think humanity's own suffering it's better than the evil reign of Aku?
>people living in peace
Yes like that one village that the space terrorist was going to destroy and make his, geez Jack, what about him?
>you hate Ashi
Correct, doesn't make my argument any less true.
>Now you are just being retarded
But it's true, Jack and Ashi barely knew each other, just because they glare at each other while walking around a dessert it doesn't mean they are "in love". If Genndy wanted people to care maybe he should learn to write first.

you think they'll ever make another season? the creator not being interested has never stopped a network before

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>>92623698
I would've tried to fade it to the original message, but there wasn't any for the template available

>>92623446
>>92622978

>Jack's mother attempts to give Ashi advice on what to do in the bedroom
>Jack's mother ends up blushing when Ashi talks about all the stuff she does

>>92623567
They should have replaced the marriage ceremony with a final scene years into the future.
>Scotsman walking with some of his daughters by a statue
>one of his daughters runs up
>"Who are these people papa?"
>"Oh wee one, these two ar' the graet warrior's who defeated the great evil. One day you'll grow up to be a strong, little one just like 'them! But not as strong as you'r ol' paps!"
>they laugh and walk away
>pans up the statue of Ashi and Jack like the one the Archers made
>pans up to the sky, fades to black

>>92623749
No. He seemed confident that no one would try to do anything but maybe a mid-quel.

You'd need to get Phil back on-board too.

>>92623623
:(

>>92623646
Let them cling to a world that never was ever going to exist except as a theoretical hellscape for the samurai to fight through to get back to the moment of the villain's death.

>>92623628
> just because he wanted to see mommy and daddy again
That's a stupid argument though, if care about muh future offspring then I can pull out the same shit and say that Jack going to the past gives humanity even more time to create kids and build better civilizations because they aren't under Aku's reign.

No matter where you see it from Jack saved and prevented more than what he destroyed, the fact that he did it despite of how much he suffered and the fact that he is still able to be hopeful for the future speaks more than anything else Genndy could've done, literally the only thing the finale got right.

>>92623748
>So you think humanity's own suffering it's better than the evil reign of Aku?

Try reading a history book.

>Correct, doesn't make my argument any less true.

What argument? you're just sperging

>But it's true, Jack and Ashi barely knew each other, just because they glare at each other while walking around a dessert it doesn't mean they are "in love". If Genndy wanted people to care maybe he should learn to write first.

They clearly spend more time together off screen, but I do agree with you 100% that Genndy should learn how to write more if he wanted people to care. I don't give a shit about Ashi, but her explaining to jack why she going to go poof was flat out retarded and served no purpose at all except to be "muh sadness".

>>92623749
No. Show's done. No one's getting a do-over.

Symbiotic Titan hopefully gets a revival on AS.

>>92623848
>Try reading a history book
Yeah I don't know if history applies to Jack, the Empire of Japan exist at the same time that Robin Hood. And either way I would prefer it to some asshole demon tree that sends your entire civilization to the bottom of the Ocean because.
>MUH OFFSCREEN DEVELOPMENT
Shut the fuck up already, this doesn't fucking count, many of the reasons people liked the original run was because it was show, don't tell. If they want a fucking relationship then do it right. Looking at each other, eating together and walking together doesn't mean you are in love with anyone, normal people do that all the fucking time.

>>92623646
their suffering could have ended if Jack stayed though. you know, the heroic thing to do, since everyone who aku killed is in the afterlife anyway?

billions upon billions died literally because jack lost his first fight with aku. that ship should have sailed.

>mr town rapist doesnt get to exist
yeah because aku's world was just filled with rapists. everyone was a rapist. especially those dog characters, and the spartans, and the scots, etc etc etc.

>>92623768
>Jack awkwardly trying to explain why his neck and back are scratched to hell and back to his dad one morning

>>92623977
>you know, the heroic thing to do
Saving people from potential horrible future isn't heroic?

>>92623679
a large...

>>92623984

>"I understand son, you must have taken many blows in your quest. I will have a statue built of your scars commemorating your self-sacrifice."

>Ashi suggests she give him a backrub to feel better

RIP Aku

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UMhKEP7DcI

>>92623745
those were little instances where jack intervened. afterwards all those people were living great, great lives.

its not like everywhere jack looked there was endless suffering in the series. society still existed, albeit dystopian, but functional, and would be considered "normal" to anyone living there.

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At least Jack's parents had their own happy ending.

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>>92624053
>Just let me rub some ointment on those, Jack. Whereever did you get them?

it was poorly realized
>aku never existed in the future
>ashi never existed
>which means jack never got sent back to the past

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>>92623977
>lol they are dead anyway
'no'
>billions upon billions died literally because jack lost his first fight with aku. that ship should have sailed.
Yes, that's why he was trying to go back to the past instead of killing Aku in the future, to prevent.
>just because these people that live under shitty conditions like you know fucking war, death and slavery are good it means the future was worth keeping alive despite of people like pic related exist
WOW jack wtf don't you see the dogs that died mining for crystals don't matter because they are dead??? only the people after you showed up matterr!!!

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>>92623345
>ASHI! I LOVE YOU!
That really tore me up.

>>92624155

>Handmaidens being jealous, gossipy bitches

>>92624198
>Ashi being the alpha bitch and staring them down when she finds out about them gossiping

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>>92623623

Delete this.

>>92623833
>jack saved and prevented more than what he destroyed

except thats not true at all, because afterlife is canon and those who were wiped dont even get to go to it.

people who died during aku's reign would have a shitty to mediocre or even peaceful life and then would just chill in the afterlife. people killed or were living in the future would have a shitty life plus they wouldn't get to enjoy the afterlife, plus they now dont get to exist.

>>92614828
the ending was fine its just that the 10th episode should have just been split up into 2 episodes at the least.

episodes 1-3 are great and move at a fast pace
episodes 4 through the first half of 9 have 3 episodes of content at most with shitloads of filler and downright unnecessary plot points.
because of this episode 10 is rushed to shit and unsatisfying.

when you think back and realize how they literally spent more time inside the creature in episode 4 or the spaceship hunt/fight in episode 8 than BOTH aku fights, marriage, and epilogue combined you have to think that there was some sort of storyboard error along the way.

For example there didnt need to be 3 entire episodes dedicated to convincing aishi that jack was actually a good guy. These along with the spaceship episode where they decide that they love each other could have been shortened to 2 episodes without losing anything much of consequence. This could have given another episode to jack regaining his sword and another for the finale making the ending to the series feel much more fleshed out and would give the obvious reveal of aishi dying more of an emotional impact because how things stand now it happens so fast that you dont even have time to feel sad.

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>>92623670
>>92624284
but I did delete it.
her that is

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dont worry guys. We'll see more of Ashi when Zone finishes it

>>92624295
I'm pretty sure Genndy forgot Heaven and souls are a thing in his own show

>>92624368
>Someone eventually had to explain to Ashi that yes, she needs to wear underwear

>>92624030
he had his chance to do it and he fucked it up, literally seeking out dumb plot devices to get a magic second chance at that is dumb and immature. a mature hero would fix the future that he made without sacrificing the lives of literally everyone in it.
>>92624180
>lol they are dead anyway
what
>Yes, that's why he was trying to go back to the past instead of killing Aku in the future, to prevent.
too late, you now are dealing with a new universe. sorry bub, you're the hero character, you don't get to decide now who's life is worth preserving just so you can live in peace.
>evil people exist so the universe should be wiped
OR since Jack could just destroy the root of all evil in the future and rebuild society since you know, hes immortal..

>>92624392
>Why? It just gets in the way when Jack and I fool around!
>Jack scoots out of the room as fast as possible

>>92623963
>this doesn't fucking count

Better deal with it.
Jack learned Ashi's name off screen, and Genndy is a fucking hack and doesn't know how to write a romance.

Take your own advice or learn to accept this fact

>>92624392

>Underwear

She refers to it as "Jack's blindfold"

>>92624421
>that he made
But he didn't make the future what?
>sacrificing the lives of literally everyone in it.
He hasn't killed anything stop crying because Genndy didn't read your fanfiction

>>92624481
Explain why Ashi vanished then.

>>92624421
>you don't get to decide now who's life is worth preserving just so you can live in peace.
Funny because he actually got to decide, huh. Also stop making this about Jack's selfishness, if anything going back is the selfless thing to do, giving away your friends and lover so everyone can live again.
>evil people exist so the universe should be wiped
Is not the same as
>Evil rules the world and it is not only encouraged but at the cost of innocent lives
>for thousands of years
>to entire civilizations and even planets

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>>92624336
>>92624368
It still stings

>>92624501
Because Aku died who has morph her DNA with his magic.

>>92624501
Because she ceased to exist
Just because I masturbate it doesn't mean I killed any "potential" children, they were never meant to exist in the first place so they don't count.

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>>92624514
They'll be reunited.

>>92624514
>that pic
WHY

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>>92624514

>>92624501
Because Genndy wanted to force a bittersweet ending.

>>92624481
>he didnt make the future

no, but he failed to stop aku, he lost the fight. its his fault for underestimating aku. its his fault the future is where it was.

>he hasnt killed anything

prove it.

Me and Jack finally have something in common, that our waifus don't exist anywhere in our respective universes

>>92624527
why didnt she die right away then

>>92623698
I entirely agree. We feel wholly dissatisfied because Jack, thru no fault of his own and for entirely noble reasons, went through decades of suffering. He did so for the benefit of OTHERS. And what has he got to show for it? Just maintaining the status quo of pre-Aku!

Genndy are you shitting me you ass. There is no good reason to shaft Jack like this all for your cheap "bittersweet" ending.

>>92624588
Anon you blaming the guy who tried to stop it instead of the entity who trick him. By going back into the past he is fixing his mistake.

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>>92624544
>>92624514
>>92624368
>>92624336
delicious tears

>>92624619
>>92624619
It's like medicine, she needed constant does of Aku's magic because her own is to weak to sustain itself

>>92624647
Hell, he and Ashi both did everything they did for other people.

>>92624507
> if anything going back is the selfless thing to do, giving away your friends and lover so everyone can live again.
>evil people exist so the universe should be wiped so everyone can live again

nobody is going to live again except jack's people and jack himself. everyone who hes met is not going to live again.

>he actually got to decide

This makes Jack a character with a god complex, not a hero character.

>Evil rules the world and it is not only encouraged but at the cost of innocent lives

We clearly see tons of innocents living during this time throughout the entire series. Oftentimes they fight and suffer against Aku with Jack but only Jack gets the happy ending (minus waifu)

>>92624668
You know the writing is shit when you have people trying to make up shit to explain why things happen when the creator is too incompetent to write these things himself.

>>92624649
he is fixing a mistake for his own people, at the costs of the lives of billions, who won't even be given an afterlife.

selfish.

>>92624736
He is giving people who died prematurely by Aku's hand a chance to live their lives peacefully.

Heroic.

>>92624725
It's pretty obvious it didn't need to be said.

>>92624259

Bet she's into public exhibition

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>Do you think there will be a reception?

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You Samurai Jack fags have no idea what true suffering is

>>92624768
The people who died prematurely are just chilling in the afterlife.

The people who were erased don't even get that. Meaning that they would have suffered, and then just not existed. Meaning that their sacrifice would be GREATER than the ultimate sacrifice of death.

That's heroism.
What Jack did was selfishness. He turned everyone's lives into a magic eraser just so he could see his people again.

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All the lives Jack has saved an influences, inspired and helped blossum
The friendship he has made and enemies he has defeated
.....
Fuck all of that, none of that happened. Everyone's lives is a lie and has been completely erased.
Unless you believe in some multi-timeline.. In which case everyone of Jack's friends simply die at the hand of Aku and now there is no hope for anyone. No Jack, no sword, no one to stand up to Aku..
Oh, but regardless, Ashii dies at the alter because plot.

Jack didn't even fight the Aku that has been haunting and tormenting him for half a century, they just in a Deus Ex time portal and bail on everything and then Jack just throws a few slashes at the Aku who barely knows who he is and doesn't even fight back.. and somehow this time he is destroyed forever.

This sure as hell wasn't the climax I wanted.
No proper fight. All the characters we've gotten to know over the years just get slaughtered or erased and Jack doesn't even get a happy ending.
Shitty, unsatisfying, rushed ending.
There are countless ways they could have made it better

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>>92624784
>It's pretty obvious it didn't need to be said.

Is that why Genndy thought it was need for Ashi for her final words to explain why she's disappearing?

Come on Anon.

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>>92617120
lol as soon as the wedding scene started i was thinking awww shiiiiet they gonna gurren lagann this bitch.

>>92624692
>everyone who hes met is not going to live again
Correct, this is a good thing because it means all the people that he didn't met and suffered are not living again either, nice save, Jacko.
>god complex
Perhaps, but that's not necessarily a good thing, he's a merciful god, if you will.
>We clearly see tons of innocents living during this time throughout the entire series
Minority, correct. Also you are missing the fact that they suffer, not just live.

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>>92624544
>>92624514
>>92624368
>>92624336
Poor shipperfags.

>>92624832

Jack isn't the one who opened a time portal back to the past, and several times in the old seasons, he gave up his chance to go back to help someone else who needed him. Jack might believe in split timelines for all we fucking know

Watch the fucking show

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>>92624833
This. 100%

>>92624833
>>92624885
>watch show about a character trying to go back to prevent evil
>literally says it every episode in the intro
>get mad when he goes back and all the implications such an action mean

You deserve being mad for being so stupid.

>>92624867
suffering is fine if theres an afterlife. really who cares? and many of the people in aku's world are living in peace, including literally everyone who jack has saved.
>>92624880
True, Ashi is the one that dragged him into the past, but Jack really doesn't struggle or give a fuck.

In fact its almost cathartic when Ashi dies because he actually thinks of the consequences of his quest for once in the entire damn show.

If Jack believed in split timelines he would've made sure Aku was dead in the future instead of bailing like a bitch.

>>92624919
You're a god damn retard if you think anyone is actually mad he went back into the past.

>>92624919
>you are stupid for expecting a character to stop being a fool and go through a worthwhile character arc

>>92624939

>True, Ashi is the one that dragged him into the past-

>If Jack believed in split timelines he would've made sure Aku was dead in the future instead of bailing like a bitch.

>>True, Ashi is the one that dragged him into the past-

Nigga

>>92624971
Jack knew that he was being dragged into the past tho. It's happened to him before, and if he really cared at all about his friends he would've stopped it from happening.

>>92624956
>>92624966
>and the implications such an action mean

It would take being retarded to not know "going back = no future", Jack's friends were always supposed to stop existing and even he knew that.

>>92624966
Why did you assume at any point in the series that Jack ever stop believing in going back to the past. Especially now that he was immortal it's more important for him more than ever because he had no future.

>>92625009
then why was he surprised at losing ashi?

>>92625009
>jacks friends were always supposed to stop existing and he knew that

yeah thats why the scotsman still feels attachment to his daughters instead of existentialism, and even offers one of them for jack to marry

yeah jack totally knew they were supposed to stop existing, thats why he was shocked when ashi was erased

ease off the retardation, nobody in the series understood the implications of this shit because they were poorly written.

>>92625036
Because Genndy is a shit writter and he needed to rip off TTGL before finishing the series, even if that meant having a nonsensical ending.

>>92624919
We're mad because Genndy used an asspull to force Jack back into the past when there's no portal remaining. Let's be honest it was a deus ex for Ashi to instantly know how to use a portal. Pretty much everything leading up to the bullshit ending was forced by Genndy to achieve that euphoric "bittersweet" ending. Fuck this.

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>>92624833
That's the worst part. Jack had no reverence for leaving the future and the audience was supposed to be gleeful seeing him only share gleeful glare with Ashi in the time portal.

>>92624919
Do you lack reading comprehension, or are you just one of those people who ignores the dislike for how the conclusion was handled and not what it actually was.

>>92625024
because the new series claimed to subvert the old series, and jack has now spent way more time in the future than he ever did in the past. its literally impossible for him not to feel any attachment- well its possible, but only through bad writing.

>>92625059
>>92625065
Don't get me wrong, I think the Ashi thing was an asspull, I just don't think Jack made a mistake by going back to the past. In a perfect world the Guardian didn't die, but even then the act of going back to the past remains a noble and self-sacrificing thing to do.

>>92622094
i actually remembered that right away and was questioning it,

His mother was old as fuck and gave him the sword once his training was done, his father was a mess from being a hard working slave literally ready to die any moment.

Lets not forget the ENTIRE TOWN AND PEOPLE IN IT WHERE DESTROYED BY AKU ,sure some prob survived but you cant be a king or whatever without anyone to back you up and then suddenly he has all these servants and health back when their family prob had nothing after the Aku attack. Silly end.

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>>92625009
>Jack's friends were always supposed to stop existing and even he knew that.

There was absolutely 0 implication of this. stop trying to defend this garbage writing, holy shit it pathetic. Jack would not take the life of an innocent and has even passed on the opportunity to go back to the past to help his friends in the future. Are you so idiotic to believe jack would go back to the past if he knew it would completely wipe everyone he knew away from existence?

>>92625009
>even he knew that
So that's why he always held needs of others above his quest!
Or I guess he simply forgot about it, just like the writers did.

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>>92624544
Jack is gonna die someday, yeah, but she didn't die. She just, what, erased? Got undid?

No death. No peaceful afterlife. No reunion.

>>92625088
>jack has now spent way more time in the future
By being fucking miserable. You don't people don't seem to realize how long he has been on his journey and how few the time he spent with the victims are.

>>92625140
>preventing existence = taking away lives

Man I love this meme

>>92625065
Jack doesn't seem to understand that erasing Aku might erase everyone.

I still think it won't. Ashi is the only one who absolutely can't exist, since Aku is dead, but if we go by Genndy's other foray into a 'fix the future' ending with Ego Trip, it seems likely that all the future peoples were still born and lived, but happier lives.

And millions or billions of others did not suffer, slave, and die for the amusement of a tree ogre.

Why was we cheated from a proper satisfying final battle between the Aku of the Future VS Jack and Ashi and all his friends who came to his aid?

Jack has already been able to beat Aku in both the past and future to a point where he just needed to land the final blow. So why not do it here. It would be the best shot he'd ever have and it would be so satisfying to see him finally kill Aku in front of everyone we've known thoughout the series.

Jack didn't even "fight" The Aku of his own time. He just delivered a few strikes like it was nothing and then boom.

And don't give me the excuse that they didn't have time and had to rush it.
They've wasted SO much time this season with stuff that really wasn't that important to the plot. They could have easily gotten to the big Aku fight in like episode 7 or so.
But nope, out of those 3+ hours of airtime, lets just use it for filler and then wrap things up in the last 5 minutes.

>>92625165
you're right, wiping existence is even worse than taking away a life.

>>92625140
>>92625154
Also how the fuck are you implying he didn't know that, why the fuck would he want to go to the past but to PREVENT Aku and his future?

>>92625155
Nah, Ashi's soul is a product of the gods, not Aku or her mother. Souls don't get made at birth, they're incarnated, live, die, and are reincarnated. This is an eastern flavor divine bureaucracy, you gotta remember.

Ashi was never born, but her soul still existed, because Aku never had anything to do with that part of her.

Maybe she won't remember Jack, but with the yin-yang and ladybug motifs, it seems to be pretty clear they're bound by fate.

>>92625164
hes fucking miserable because hes tortured by the ghosts of his past. the past is a haunting shithole, both in fiction and in real life. it would be a more mature turn to look towards the present and the future instead of trying to fix your past mistakes by using magic plot devices.

>>92614828
/co/ likes comics

/co/ doesn't like endings

>>92625164
Yeah. Ashi even asks him about it, and he says he thinks about the past every day. You can see how much it hurts her to see that that pain is still fresh for Jack.

>>92625140
If that was the case why did he go and help those two monks that helped him up to a time portal instead of just using it. If he knew everyone would be erased, why the hell would he give to fucks about them about to die. They would have been written out of existance before they had a chance to die.
Along with their kids, ancestors. Everyone. A fate much worse than death

>>92625238
He then told her the NEXT day that he doesn't want her to become just a memory.

>>92625140
>no scene where the sam-hoo-rai redeems himself, donning his sword in the final battle

why the fuck would they give him an entire episode segment if he wasn't going to come back

jesus christ everything about this series was fucking wrong. i feel like patchy the pirate after he watches the lost spongebob episode of a fancy walkcycle.

>>92625165
>preventing existence = taking away lives
Yes Anon, they did exist, It's not like "jerking off and killing potential children" meme response. Jack has memory of his adventures and friends he forged throughout the years he spent in the future.

And because of the way it was written , they now cease to exist, which is even worse.

>>92625206
Just because you think he knew that, doesn't mean he did. Again there's zero implication he knew how time travel works. This is further proven when he was shocked ashi went "poof" This all comes to the fact, Genndy is a fucking hack and doesn't even know how his own story works.

>>92625176
Eh, it's already a stretch to make Aku more danerous for proper fight between him and Jack. Everyone together vs Aku should be a stomp. I think that Double Aku would be the best choice to make Aku real threat for finale.
>>92625206
Because there were several episodes where goes to save somebody instead of finishing his quest? And if he knew that all of this would be prevented, why would he not go for portal and save people from their existence then?

>>92625259
I guess she prioritized Jack's quest and home over her own life.

>>92624833
this is spot on how i feel completely.

I still feel there was a way to have kept her alive seeing as she was part Aku and she could been considered the last remnant of Aku which allowed her to remain in the timeline.

>>92617120
>emulates gurren lagann ending
>fails to have the same impact
>forget to have ashi finish the fucking marriage

This could have been done so much better.

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>>92625334

>>92625294
I would have taken that over what we got any day too.
Another thing. When exactly did the future get erased then?...
I mean.. Aku was clearly still there, realizing and reacting to what had just happened.. Shouldn't the entire reality around him have disappeared the moment the portal closed?

>>92623679
Anti-spirals are an alien race that (somewhat implied to be earth, far in the future) that was essentially dedicated to trapping and subjugating the universe in stasis so as to prevent entropy.

When they get their asses beat their creation, the girl on the left, is doomed to die as shes' an extension of them, but across the course of the series she manages to become enough of a real person to hold on through her wedding.

>>92625334
Yes yes yes!

The whole Jashi thing was stupid and forced, there should of never been a romance between them and would of just been better if she died as well when Jack dropped her off the cliff.

>>92625371
based

>>92623894
I hope the Symbionic Titan final season rips off Gunbuster.

>>92625371
>>92625405
what was it?

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>>92625371
well if anything Aku's the one with the most 4th wall awareness
>You know what's gonna happen
>You'll swing your sword I'll fly away and say something like:
>"I'LL BE BACK, SAMURAI"
>And then I'll flutter over the horizon and then we won't see each other for about a week
>and then we'll do the same thing over again

>>92625294
>>92625293
You are not giving me any arguments so let's try an example

Say the Guardian let's Jack use the time portal, please tell me why does Jack would want to use the time portal, what's the reasoning behind using it?

>>92623894
if its like this season I'm gonna say no thanks

>>92625371
This!
I'll just accept this as the new canon. Still didn't like the ending but this is the very least they could have done.

>>92625336
Either
>Ashi immediately disappears when Aku is defeated
or
>Ashi disappears right after they kiss and get married
would have worked perfectly.
I can't fathom how they messed this up. Is there some deeper meaning for this that I'm not seeing?

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>>92623894
>>92625444
sorry to break it to you guys

>>92625490
>is there some deeper meaning

well you got to ask yourself, is genndy a hack? if the answer is yes, which it is, there you go.

>>92625490
if im being honest if i didnt know that was the finale i wouldve thought it was one big dream sequence

>>92625381
Apparently in the SJ universe time ripples take as long as they need to in order to be as melodramatic as possible.

narratively what was the purpose of the "50 years have passed"? aku's world seemed exactly the same, not better nor worse. and all of jack's acquaintances were alive, even that dog. he didn't even got to keep the beard.

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>>92625371
And since I'm posting that, I'll also post the epilogue /co/ came up with in the rolling sticky. This ones rolls a bit darker.

Better ending would be Ashi turning into Aku after the kiss. FOOLISH SAMURAI

>>92625520
I know. I was joking.

>>92625458
>You are not giving me any arguments so let's try an example

This is exactly what you're doing though. Where's you're argument? You're quick in trying to fill in blanks for genndy when its obvious the writing is complete shit.

You don't seem to get it, This whole season was written for two things : Ashi and a forced bittersweet ending. Guardian? hand-waved away, along with every single portal in existence and anything else that would get in the way of ashi screentime.

I don't get how you people can even stomach this garbage writing when Ashi had more fight time than Jack against Aku and was even using his powers thanks to the "power of love."


Get the fuck outta here

>>92625561
>dream sequence
When it zoomed in on Jacks teary eyes I was hoping it would cut back to right before they went back and Jack would change it.

>>92625381
The only evidence of future being erased is Ashi dying, and that one is real quality writing. Everything about future just got fucked so hard. If timeline is retconned, there weren't any people. If timeline is alternative, everyone is thouroughly fucked by Aku who has noone to stop him. The only good outcomes are BttF-style, but even that is hard to believe, since we're talking about 2000 years instead of 30 years and reincarnation. Pick your [s]fanfiction[/s] poison.

>>92625572
To give a valid reason why Jack had given into despair and mentally degenerated.

>>92625572
because it was a neat little subversion where jack would have to deal with the depression of not being able to kill aku that entire time while being haunted by his past

part of the reason season 5's first few episodes were so good was because they were based around that, then there are no more subversions, just more goofy weightless oldschool samurai jack episodes and a disappointing finale.

>>92625572
If you know enough about tropes then you would've known Jack was never going to keep the beard.

It amazes me that people were expecting this show to do something new.

>>92625620
>but even that is hard to believe, since we're talking about 2000 years instead of 30 years and reincarnation. Pick your [s]fanfiction[/s] poison.

I mean, Genndy did that before in Ego Trip.

>>92625600
>Statement: Jack knew going back to the past to prevent Aku would undo the future (including the people he knew)
>Counter-argument: You are retarded and the reason behind is because he actually knew
>Counter-argument: Can you explain why would Jack want to go back to the past? I do believe the answer to the debate lies in that question
>WUURUAIROIWO FUCKING ASHIFAG

(You)

>>92625606
ashi's death was so surreal, and seeing how everyone was back to normal including japan and jacks old and withered parents, i thought it was a fever dream at first.

but nope!

>>92623681
you should have used that image of willie

I think this has once again proved to us that we can't trust the creators to their own work.

It's not always easy to wrap things up but in this case, how hard could it have been?

-Get everyone we know together for a big fight
-Defeat Aku in big climatic fight with Aku really getting his ass kicked. let us see the desperation in his eyes as he realize that this is it. he has lost.
-Let the timeline be, regardless of Jack going back. At least it's Aku free and all his friends will still be there for a brighter future
-Defeat Aku in the past and let Jack have his happy end

Besides all the characters showing up in the finale, the ending failed on pretty much every other point.

>>92625371
I accept this.

>>92617448
Stop posting this shit, faggot

>>92625721
2.5/4 ain't bad

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>>92625704
>Statement: Jack knew going back to the past to prevent Aku would undo the future (including the people he knew)

Show me proof Jack knew how time travel worked and knew going back will wipe the existence of all his friends, when he passed on the opportunity to go back to help his friends in the future, and the fact he was surprised Ashi disappeared.

Provide actual proof and not your headcanon.

Otherwise I'll take your silence that you admit you are a stupid retard.

>>92614828
I just wanted to protect his smile OP.
Like she tried to...