>WAAAAHHHH WHY WASN'T IT A HAPPY ENDING WAHHH!? You

>>92606875
The ending was shit altogether.

>>92607254
It was amazing, and I say that as someone who strongly disliked the season as a whole.

>>92606875
it was the wrong bittersweet though

Jack should have defeated Aku and stayed in the future, the bittersweet part being that he failed to return and save his people, but in the end he still saved the world

No one here is complaining about the bittersweet ending other than militant ashifags, most people are complaining about the shit execution.

>>92607292
This.

Thread is bad and you should feel bad.

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Friendly reminder that refusing to engage in ad hominem and strawman based arguments will make /co/ a better place

>>92606875
I don't find it bad because it's unhappy, I find it bad because it raises more questions than it answers.

I just felt bad that throughout the entire series they never once mention the fact that going back in time and killing Aku will erase everyone Jack has met from Existence. That includes the Scottsman and all of his daughters.

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>>92606875
The ending was so sad. It still breaks me up. Like I can't think about it without going into a fit of tears. Atleast Jack will always have her memory.
Now that that is said when will the long awaited movie that Genndy wanted to do for Samurai Jack so we can bring Ashi back?

Reminder - In Samurai Jack there are actual Gods and afterlives

Instead of letting his family and kingdom rest in peace and bringing the age in which he has new friends and family into a new Aku-free era, he just delete button'd them into unexistence (worse than death)

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>>92607284
I liked it.

I said it in another thread, but she knew she would die, doing what she did, but I thought that restoring the world to the beauty he thought he'd never experience again as her last gift to him was incredibly romantic. At least that's how I saw it.

I feel SJ excels more in its visual storytelling than its dialogue, and the ending scene under the tree with the ladybug was really beautiful, and I thought it highlighted the beauty of his world as Ashi's--and his future allies'--gift to him.

>>92607465
I'm torn up too, but having Ashi come back would completely ruin whatever investment the remaining Ashi-fans have in her.

Have a comfy Jashi pic instead.

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will you forget her, /co/?

>>92607544
>but she knew she would die, doing what she did
There was never any indication at any point before her death that she knew that.

>>92607607
I think she suspected it--she has a sad look on her face going through the portal, despite it being a moment of triumph.

>>92607625
That wasn't a sad look. She had the exact same look as Jack. That is a "We finally did it" look.

If she knew she was going to die why the fuck did she plan the whole wedding or even go through the portal with jack in the first place?

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>>92606875

No one is complaining that it wasn't a "happy" ending. People are complaining about the garbage writing and how terribly predictable this shit was from a mile away. People called her death from the god damn start.

The finale was a contrived forced piece of shit that only Genndy fanboys can possibly make themselves like. There is nothing worse when an writer tries to force "bittersweet" endings when they is incapable of writing in such a way that will make the audience emotionally attached to the characters regardless of the writing. People have cried at happy endings too, because they feel connected to the characters and are happy for them, alot of these times these endings match the tone of the story and makes sense, even if they are sad.

This ending? I felt nothing. The whole Season 5 was Genndy trying to build up this donut Steel OC plot device character which he inevitably killed at the end to gather some sympathy for Jack. Amateurish writing and completely predictable. It was fucking bad, the whole god damn thing was terrible.

Consider suicide you retard.

>>92607762
name an unpredictable SJ episode

>>92607809
Chicken Jack

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>>92607760

>TFW no Verbina x Jack
>Or any screentime

Only royal blood allowed

>>92607809
Jack and The gangsters desu

>>92607844
Yes, that is the exact same face Jack had. Eyebrows down, slight smile.

>>92606875
Wait, people bitch about that? I thought that shit was obvious to happen. Killing past Aku = no future Aku = no Aku sperm for the cult = no Ashi.

Trust me I do math and time travel.

>>92606875
/co/ doesn't like an ending unless it's precisely the ending they want.

>>92607760
>If she knew she was going to die why the fuck did she plan the whole wedding or even go through the portal with jack in the first place?

Assuming bad writing isn't the reason I'd guess it's because she just wanted one last final moment with Jack before she disappeared, but then it never happened, and it kept never happening to the point where she might have thought she was in the clear. Then when it did happen she only had enough time to dump some exposition before disappearing.

>>92606875
Literally my only problem with the ending is that the time paradox somehow decided to wait until Jack's wedding to kick in, instead of it happening instantly when Aku died. It's disgustingly cheap melodrama that I'd expect from a fanfiction-writer.

>>92607979
This.

The final act was a lackluster rushed with loose ends.

>>92606875

Nobody cares if the ending was happy or not. It was pure shit. The moment Ashi entered the scene Samurai Jack got ruined.

This is the work of fucking Genny "savior of western animation" Tartakovsky. He can't write for shit.

First two episodes were great because they were like old SJ, but more matured. They didn't have almost any dialogue, maybe only inner Jack thoughts It was all about visual storytelling that Genndy was actually good at. But then he forced a retarded romance with a girl that has personality of a fucking rock.

>>92607979
It's fiction. It exists to maintain the drama.
Besides, it's using an older model of time travel that is almost literally "ain't gotta explain shit" as far as how the effects of a paradox play out.

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>>92608141
>Bad writing is allowed if it maintains drama in a story

Bravo

>Previously mortal enemies
>Literally knows her for a week or so
>ASHI I LOVE YOU

Into the trash it goes

>>92606875
>best ending.
There's no such thing as an overall best ending and I'm honestly getting tired of the "le bittersweet" meme.

I didn't care for Ashi all that much, but I think after 50 years of misery jack earned his waifu, and him being unable to get his prize, along with the general rushed feeling and execution, is what made the finale feel lesser than what it could have been.

>>92606875
>Ashi vanishes due to time paradox
>while Jack is immune to time paradox

that was the biggest fuck up of the series.
also, the whole pacing that episode was shit. Could've put another episode before the end to not bash tension highs and lows together so much.

bitter-sweet ending nice and all, but the shittiest execution I've seen so far

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>>92606875
Forget the haters, post yfw mondobot rips off akus antlers

That wasn't my problem with the ending. My problem with the ending was that it was insanely rushed. The pacing was all borked. All the right narrative beats were there but they weren't dwelled on nearly enough.

>>92607280
Didn't like Ashi huh?

>>92607589
Who?

>>92608244
Because clearly they traveled all the way from the Samurai graveyard to the desert in a week.

Or any other downtime between episodes

And Jack never hated her, either

>>92606875
It ended too fast. There was no time for goodbyes. Also the way Ashi disapeared was almost comical. Should have either disapeared right after jack killed Aku or more slowly fade away in his arms as she whispered "i love you" or some shit

I liked the ending

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>>92608368
It's called robo samurai
I loved it when he wailed on aku non stop

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>>92606875
Are you lost? 4chan is a site for people with taste and critical thinking abilities, and you clearly have neither if you can't see why Samurai Jack's ending was absolute garbage.

I don't think I'm alone when I say that real fans would have preferred no ending at all to the shitshow that was S5.

Why the fuck did Genndy feel the urge to shoehorn in a roastie Mary Sue GURLPOWA? Does he hate us? Does he hate himself? I'll bet his shrew feminazi wife has tricked him into hating men.

>tfw too many X chromosomes leads to mental retardation

What are you talking about i cheered like my team just won the superbowl when i saw Ashi die.

Only way the ending could have been better is if it was Jack murdering that show ruining whore himself.

>>92606875
>Bittersweet ending where hero wins but also loses is the best kind of ending.- 43 posts and 10 image replies shown.
nah, only edgy faggots think that way.

>>92607284
Man just have Jack and Ashi *KNOW* that going back to the past will have that consequence.

It's a melodramatic dick punch when you don't telegraph it, but if the heroes choose to give up on their happy ending for the greater good then that's actually bittersweet.

>>92607284
>should

GOTTA GET BACK
NOW THE FOOL SEEKS TO RETURN TO THE PAST

You're a fucking idiot who can't even follow the basic premise of the show.

>>92608252
Agreed. I don't think anyone who's watched the show from the beginning expected a 100% happy ending, so Ashi was a forgone conclusion. When you have a major plot point that's a forgone conclusion, execution is paramount. The writing missed the mark by several feet in that regard.

>>92606875
it was the right ending for jack

he was all about self sacrifice

there was really no way he could have his cake and eat it too

I'm retarded for only realizing this now but Aku got the last laugh even after being destroyed. Jack was finally about to marry Ashi and BAM she dies because of Aku.
Has there ever been a main character getting cucked this hard by a villain?

>>92607762
>People called her death from the god damn start.
>Heads
>Called it
Dumb argument.

>There is nothing worse when an writer tries to force "bittersweet" endings when they is incapable of writing in such a way that will make the audience emotionally attached to the characters regardless of the writing.
Fair argument.
But the beauty of writing is that something can be made your own with just a minor tweak in one of the many elements that come together to make a story.
Some stories aren't character driven, and while that's a sin against god, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a poor story according to "the golden standard". It just means it's a different recipe that doesn't speak to you the same way it does to someone else.

Writing, as in all communication, isn't about saying things a certain way, it's about delivering meaning, message, or intent.

Unless you know for certain what the meaning, message, or intent is, you can't say it's bad writing.

I for one, believe that this story was about Samurai Jack's final portal to the past. I believe it delivered on that, although a bit rushed in the end.

Whether or not the focus of the story was a good choice is up for debate.

>>92609048
>"Dumb argument"
>Trying to defend this garbage writing


That part wasn't really an argument, it was mention an common observation. It was the execution that that was the point of saying that. But please, your entire post comes off as pretentious fortune cookie nonsense.You're doing a poor job at trying to defend this writing by trying to explain what writing "is all about".

Genndy already made his intent clear before the start of the season and it was he wanted to make the viewer "cry" and have a bitter sweet ending. Thats it. Instead it left alot of us, confused annoyed and angry that Genndy resorted to fanfic tier of writing to try and get a emotion out of the audience.

That is BAD writing, because it was executed HORRIBLY. There are shows who pulled off MORE in less episodes!

>>92609284
The worst part of s5 was that it was two disjointed ideas that felt like it was maybe 6 episodes instead of 10.

>>92606875
>You faggots need to grow up.
>Bittersweet ending where hero wins but also loses is the best kind of ending.
No, the ending where writer understands the basis of time travel are the best kinds of ending

>>92609284
>That part wasn't really an argument, it was mention an common observation
The word argument has multiple meanings, one of which covers your latter description.

Which is my central point. You're attempting to reduce writing to a central standard with no level of nuance. A very binary, reduced way of thinking.

For instance, you insist I'm solely defending the writing, when I myself made an attack against it, albeit personal and opinion based.

I'm attacking your nihilistic view on writing. And I expect you to defend it. Because science is not about proving yourself right, it's about trying to prove yourself wrong.

>Genndy already made his intent clear before the start of the season and it was he wanted to make the viewer "cry"
This, for instance, would be a great way to prove me "wrong". Now do it. Where does this occur?

>>92606875
It's actually the most overdone and cliche ending. Only enjoyed by milenials who have been exposed to it so much they think it should be the norm.

I remember when the heroes were allowed to just win.

>>92607589
Delet this.

>>92606875
>Bittersweet ending where hero wins but also loses is the best kind of ending.
That all depends on how it's executed and which kind of story you are telling.
In what respects to Samurai Jack, I agree with you in that a bittersweet ending was the most fitting. Jack's entire goal was tangled with sacrifice of something he appreciated. Now, the execution, while flawed, was still pretty great, and it left me with a good taste in my mouth.

>"I'm sorry Jack, but I have to go back to my home planet"

wow, Ashi was from space?

>>92608855
Jacks destiny has changed multiple times throughout the show. Maybe you should open your mind just a fucking slit so you can realize that actually going back to the past makes his entire journeys lessons redundant.

>>92607284
It would have been bittersweet, but mainly for him and not so much for the audience because, let's be honest, we're nowhere near as attached to the past as Jack was. We've come to enjoy the future much more. However, and despite the antiashifags, we've been with Ashi for as long as Jack has, so her loss is (intended to be at least) as significant to us as it is to Jack.

>>92607389
Every single opening kind of dropped that bit of info, anon.
"UNDO THE FUTURE THAT IS AKU". I say it was pretty explicit.

>>92609571
stop pretending like s5 was nuanced at all. It wasn't. The characters don't even understand what going back to the past even means.

>>92608141
Drama and melodrama aren't the same thing.

>>92609686
It's unnatural for the characters to my give a shit that they're going to cease to exist. It's bad writing.

Also, even though every episode dropped that, Jack sacrifices going back to the past for moral reasons almost every time, often on the behalf of a character that isn't going to exist soon enough anyway.

Bad. Fucking. Writing.

>>92609048
>But the beauty of writing is that something can be made your own with just a minor tweak in one of the many elements that come together to make a story.
Or, as was the case here, you can just steal from a ten year old series.

>>92606875
It was just bitter. Our lord and master Aku is dead forever and this stupid autist gets to go back home and be a king and die fuck!

>>92608435
Let's be honest, 4chan is a vile place for people who get satisfaction out of hate. Just take a look at /v/.

>>92608912
It's not really self sacrifice without conscious choice.

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>>92609571
>This entire fucking post

First off, I want to thank you for the hearty chuckle. But I'm going to have to stop you at "Binary". You argument is so poor that you have resorted to attempting to "attack" the way I (and many others) observe stories, which is not relevant to the conversation at hand.

Infact, the majority of everything you wrote like you mentioned is "attacking my view on writing". Completely irrelevant. So I have no reason to even entertain that, but I will provide your proof, and the fact this was mentioned at a live interview with Genndy himself.

>>92609695
I never said it was.


>>92609729
>Jack sacrifices going back to the past for moral reasons almost every time, often on the behalf of a character that isn't going to exist soon enough anyway.
Now that is the question. What did they mean by this?

>>92609525
>No, the ending where writer understands the basis of time travel are the best kinds of ending
Science itself barely understands time travel; do you expect a writer of works of fiction to do so? Every story with time travels makes up their own set of rules. In Genndy's set, time needs a while to catch up with paradoxes and time travelers that belong in a specific timeline are immune to those paradoxes when within their original timeline.

>>92609729
Every time Jack has sacrificed a chance to go back he's been called out on it. That's just the way he was, an idealistic fool. That's why Ashi made the choice to take him back for him.

>>92609794
Which means that causality can go fuck itself.
Which means predetermined outcome by some higher deity which is huge dickhead for ever coming up with shit like Aku

the only ending that would've been satisfying would be if Jack didn't go back.

>>92609825
I think Aku just formed itself when the universe began. He's like Ra or God in that regard; he began existing out of his own conscious.

>>92609841
I would have preferred that ending, but you must be high if you think that wouldn't have left another side of autists unsatisfied.
>GOTTA GO BACK. What did Genndy mean by this?
>HE STAYS IN THE FUTURE? WHAT A HACK!

>>92609856
but predetermined outcome means somebody had to determine that outcome.

>>92609880
Just because a character wants something doesn't mean he should always get it.

>>92609888
I think Samurai Jack proved time and time again that there's really nothing set in stone. Just look at the Guardian's prophecy. You could get glimpses of possible futures, but never be certain of them.

>>92609929
Again, I agree; I would have loved it if Jack had stayed in the future, but alas, it did not happen. What I meant is that either Jack returned to the past or not a shitstorm would have come upon the finale no matter what.

>series uses blood in first couple of episodes
>final battle with the God of evil is a goofy brawl where nobody is shown impaled except some robots

I thought the show said it was going past that?

>>92606875
I don't really care that the ending was somber. I just hate that the way they opted to involve time travel undermines huge portions of its own narrative.

>Jack ready to kill himself because he thought he failed to save one more group of innocent children
>goes back to the past, kills Aku, and changes the future so drastically that those same kids probably never even existed in the first place, rendering their previous lives and deaths meaningless

>>92609934
And somehow Jack was teleported to future where nonexistent spawn of by then nonexisten Aku got impressed by nonexistent good deeds to nonexistent victims of nonexistent crimes decides to TP Jack back.

From the in-universe POV the outcome was set in stone on day zero

>>92606875
>WAAAAAHHH WHY DO THESE PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS THAN ME!?

>>92609953
It would've been a shitstorm with the series that we got (love story garbage we've all seen before) but if we got a series that was closer in tone with the first 3 episodes and delved into more mature topics I don't think people would've complained jay he wasn't able to go back.

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>>92609973
rip in peace frogmen

>>92609983
Fucking this

>>92610017
I wish I could be as optimistic, but no, people here just love to have something to shit on. They would have complained either way.

>>92609983
What I can't get out of my head is that he denied all those people a chance at the afterlife(which is canon in SJ). Everyone from the past could have looked down from the afterlife with pride at him repairing the future.

>>92609983
the monk episode just makes me fucking mad looking back at it now

This show has now zero rewatch value
Oh look Jack helping out all these characters that will never exist now

there were ways for the current ending to work too, but the writers just said "fuck it" so we are stuck with what we have.

>>92610088
Still, isn't that the nature of a hero? Someone who prolongs you life even if at the end you're going to die anyway?

>>92610110
If that's the case then Jack is no hero, since he had the choice to stay and rebuild an akuless future.

>>92610145
I don't think he did. Ashi just pushed him into the past the moment she had the chance, no questions asked. I think even Jack had trouble processing what was going on until he realized he was in the portal.

>>92607589
Will Jack?

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>>92610172
I'm afraid he will.

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>>92606875
In Japanese story telling, a happy ending is often the main hero losing their loved one but coming to terms that they will see them again in the afterlife.

Also in many cultures ladybugs are seen as messengers of lost loved ones.

Not the happy ending i wanted, but i still liked it.

>>92610171
what a dumb bitch

>>92610190
The only problem with is that Ashi won't be in the afterlife because she doesn't exist anymore.

>>92610232
She wanted him to be happy.

>>92610187
That concept is why I can't accept the ending.
Just the whole idea that someone like Ashi get's wiped from existence so that all she is or ever will be is a memory for Jack, and that once his mind starts going, she will just be nothing.
I just don't see how I'm supposed to be happy with that.

>>92610232
Jack had told her how happy he was in his old time, and how much he lamented he'd never see it again. Clearly, she decided Jack deserved happiness more than she deserved existing.

>>92610088
>Wow, how dare Jack, the embodiment of honour and sacrifice, help all those people? Outrageous!

>https://streamable.com/3jsad

heres a fan edit of the finale aka "good ending"

>>92610275
You could make the claim that thanks to his status as a time traveler Jack is immune the its effects. After all, he should have stopped existing had it not been for that.

>>92610239
That thought's been haunting me, but I did just realize the possibility that the gods made a "backup" ashi in the afterlife that is literally her in every way except without the aku influence or an attachment to time.

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>>92608435
>This entire post

>>92610309
I'm willing to buy that. After all the shit Jack's been put through he really deserves that kind of heaven.

>>92610303
I didn't mean forgetting because of time travel, I meant things like alzheimers or death.

>>92610288
>"sorry monks I can't go into that portal, first I have to meet the love of my life only to lose her again"

>>92610283
It's a good thing she made that decision for the entire universe as well, on the behalf of one dude who I'm sure is going to live happily next to the real life versions of visions that haunted him his entire life

>>92610329
Jack might not get Alzheimer; he's got a pretty sharp mind. And maybe he'll find ways to keep her memory alive as the one who saved him from the future.

>>92610239
My theory is since everyone did technically exist at some point they all made it to the afterlife.

how does ashi know how to make a portal to the past? That's not an ability aku ever demonstrated.

>>92610416
He demonstrated it in front of everyone when he played the old intro.

>>92610416
The video tape he showed everyone demonstrated it.

jack deserve a gf ,but the execution was so poor. it was one of the most cliche possible is like the writers just took a man from the street and ask him/her how to end the series even a soccer mom/housewife love movie is more inventiv then this

>>92609789
>You argument is so poor that you have resorted to attempting to "attack" the way I (and many others) observe stories, which is not relevant to the conversation at hand.
There was no "resorting to", that is where it started, as you noted in your original response.

And yes, this has all been about writing and stories, we're talking about a story, and you posited that it was bad writing, so I believe that it was not only relevant, it was the exact thing that we were talking about?

>Image
Ah, I was wrong. Before the coin was flipped, the flipper already said it would be heads. This reveals a lot more information about your assumptions.

Overall, Genndy went full retard. Revealing too much for a series that is extremely focused thematically (there weren't many subjects in the story to be turned bitter, so what else could it even be?), and ended up implying a focus that didn't even come close to the forefront.

I still wouldn't say it was bad writing, because I don't find it believable that he even attempted what he said would happen if they "got it right", and nothing in Samurai Jack previously would even hint at something like that fitting into the style, even with the style changes of the final season. I would just say Genndy has poor decision making skills, and says stupid shit. Or led a secret life as a boxer, and can't think so good anymore. Or was trying too hard to market. Because what was delivered made sense for Samurai Jack, minus the lack of Aku focus, what he promised didn't.

>>92606875
I didn't like the part where all the characters came to fight Aku.

>>92610466
Samurai Jack was always fond of cliches.It's the most basic story of good vs evil.

>>92610416
This. Even if Jack told her the story of how he got flung into the future, she still wouldn't know exactly how to do that. I mean, I get that instinct might play some role, but come on. Also, how was she anywhere near as strong as Aku was, with only the comparatively tiny amount of essence inside of her? How did she know the exact time to return to? None of it makes sense!

>>92610432
>>92610445
The old intro doesn't show how Aku did it though, just that he did it. If anything, it looks like he literally flung Jack into the future with the way his arm is extended.

>>92610508
Aku doesn't need training, why should Ashi? Those powers are an extension of herself; they come naturally to her as breathing. She just had to think of it and she did it.

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>>92610410
I don't know, I guess I'm just really upset because I cared about Ashi alot and I wanted her specifically to have a happy ending, and her death was done in such a way that she can never have one.
The only way I can make it seem better is if I imagine something like pic related

>>92610432
>>92610445
Traveling to the future is a lot different than traveling to the past. Plus, she was too busy being mind raped to watch

>>92606875
It's not so much that's it's bittersweet that bothered me. It's that it copied the GL ending to a T. And even then GL had Nia's last words be "I love you" and it's explained that she lasted as long as she did through sheer will power. With Ashi her last words were explaining what we already knew was happening - with no explanation as to why she didn't immediately cease to exist.

I just wanted Jack to be happen with Blue Doggo mama and her kids.

>>92610554
Again, I feel it all came down to instinct.
>Aku can make portals in time? And I have Aku's powers? Then I want to make a portal to the past!

Might have been a little rushed, but it was instinct and quick thinking. I still believe it makes sense withing the story.

>>92610507
>most basic story of good vs evil.
???

for once evil wins and the hero need to go back and undo the future that is aku

it doesn't sound basic to me

>>92610638
Still, black and white morality, pretty spelled out.

>>92610539
>Aku doesn't need training
I'm not so sure about that. If that was the case, why didn't he send the Emperor into the future at the end of their fight? Could be that it took a while for him to figure out what he could really do, and get strong enough to do it. Remember, he spent the years between his return and his first fight with Jack growing stronger, and during that time is when he could have started learning new tricks (creating minions, sending Jack into the future, etc). He even shows new tricks in the finale, with him creating an army of mini-Akus, something he didn't do against the Emperor (instead, he turned into an army himself).

>>92606875
Good idea, rushed as fuck.

>>92607465
>Now that that is said when will the long awaited movie that Genndy wanted to do for Samurai Jack so we can bring Ashi back?
We just saw the long-awaited movie. The long-awaited movie was Season 5. They couldn't get the movie picked up because it's traditionally animated and cult.

>>92610667
He probably didn't think of it back then. He had been born a day ago, he probably didn't understand the extent of his capabilities. Ashi on the other hand only needed to know she could do it, while Aku probably had to discover it by himself.

>>92607544
>ruin whatever investment Ashi-fans have in her.
Speak for your fucking self. I just want her to be happy, and the way they dealt with her ensured that she can NEVER be anything, let alone happy.

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>>92606875
>tfw the only two things I wanted from the finale were Jack going back to the past and a dead Mary Sue
>tfw it delivered on both
>tfw /co/mblr tears are like a cherry on top of it.
It's beautiful.

>>92606875
I dont care I just want my Ashi waifu to still exist its not fair!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>92610750
I'm not crying that a shitty character was wiped I'm mad that the show ended in probably the worst way it could've possibly ended

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>>92610619
This.
Electro doggos were cute af and deserved more screentime.

>>92610710
I suppose that's possible, still seems a little strange that opening a portal in time would be so easy for someone who just figured out they have those powers.

>>92610619
Nah, only harem for our prince

>>92610869
I see your point, but I still feel that Aku's powers are accessible as long as you think you can do it.

>>92606875

How did Jack win?

Yeah sure Aku is gone, but now Jack is just gonna get killed by Nobunaga in the next few months.

>jack lays dying, has visions of ashi and his friends in the afterlife
>ただいま

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Not my video, but here's the "good ending".

https://streamable.com/3jsad

>>92608855

Just because you can change the past doesn't mean you have the right.

That's how flashpoints happen. You change one thing and make something even worse.

By doing so you make everyone's memories, feelings, and trials pointless.

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>Be me

>Don't follow Season 5 because despite having Gennedy working on it, it'll probably still disappoint anyway

>Watch first ep with brother anyway

>Immediately know where they're gonna go with Aku's daughters

>Penultimate and final episodes end up exactly as I prediced

>MFW

>>92611145
Wow, you're so smart and cynical. Please anon, let me suck your dick so I might get a tiny bit of your intelligence.

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>>92610477
>It's not bad writing because I feel you are wrong about how you view stories, but I am unable to stay on topic so I'll try to come off as more intelligent than I really am by trying to defend this fan-fic tier of writing because I liked the ending

Genndy went full retard, and so did you. This isn't about how anyone view stories, it's about Samurai jack and how poorly it was executed. The ending was forced and Genndy main purpose was not trying to give the series a ending fitting for the tale, but a ending to try and get a knee-jerk emotional feeling. If the ending is good, these emotions will come regardless, but trying to force them out like this in such a cliche and predictable way is terrible.

>Genndy has poor decision making skills, and says stupid shit.

I was thinking the same exact thing while reading your posts and anyone else who think these season has been "10/10 KINO".

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>>92611406
>I feel
Unprovable, purposefully contradicted on my end.
>Unable to stay on topic
Unprovable, opposite demonstrated.
>Try to come off as more intelligent than I really am
Unprovable, demonstrated little to no ego, made no emotional pleas as shortcuts to seem in the right, did everything unimaginatively and by the book as to introduce no bias.
>Defend this fan-fic tier of writing
Unprovable, never once did I say it was good. I barely even mentioned it.
>I liked the ending
Unprovable, I introduced my biases at key moments to show my preferences, without making them large enough to influence the main discussion, as to keep it on track from where it started at the very beginning. Because scales can be confusing for binary thinkers.

>This isn't about how anyone view stories
Intrinsically false.
>Main purpose was not trying to give the series an ending fitting for the tale
Debatable, my main argument, what was the purpose?
>If the ending is good, these emotions will come regardless
False. Binary.

You make no attempt to utilize proper grammar, or construct a logical understanding of the text you read. So I can only assume you just like saying shit for the sake of saying shit.

Have fun. If you still can.

im gay

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>>92612621
> UNPROVABLE, UNPROVABLE , UNPROVABLE ITS YOUR OPINIONS EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS FALSE, AND YOU HAVE BAD GRAMMER THERE FOR YOUR ARGUMENT IS BINARY REEEE


Absolutely amazing.

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>>92612621
>Avoids the point entirely and instead insults grammar

What is this? Is this Gaia? Am I 14 again?

>>92609983
>Implying that when Jack was about to off himself he knew he would go back to the past
My neurons are firing on all cylinders now.

>>92606875

>>92611242
>I'm so bitter because I fell for the nostalgia bait

Get a grip, anon.

>>92613321
>Avoids the point entirely, which is 99% of the post which is a literal response of each point made and how it is demonstrably false, to focus on one random part in an attempt to make some sort of point, while doing the very thing falsely being called out

What is this? Is this the Twilight Zone?

>>92613157
>Doesn't understand what it means to make a claim and follow it with demonstrable proof
>Also doesn't understand what a conjunction is, and how the word 'or' creates a relationship of alternatives
>Doesn't even understand how the term binary is used and somehow relates it to his argument, not his understanding

Who hurt you?

>implying SJ was a masterpiece because of it's writing or dialogue
I think too many of you were expecting a deep psychological adult epic when at it's heart it's a kids show with great aesthetics.

>>92607280
>anticlimactic final encounter with random explosions and rushed escape
>forced shitty romance with stolen wedding scene that feels like it's a parody of bad movies
Nah

>>92606875

>>92607602

>>92614024
Do people think that this wasn't a happy ending?

He got all that, he just didn't get his back of chips.

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>>92613770
Wow you're so smart anon, you're really getting your point across by handwaving away those inferior "binary" arguments and using words you just found on the internet to make your self look intelligent. My favorite part is that while doing this, you try and come off as "calm" while completely ignoring everything you don't agree with, when its quite clear you're mad enough to keep repeating the same shit.

You wanted proof Genndy wanted a bittersweet ending, Which you got, then tried to critique the way people in general view "stories" when we are specially talking about Samurai jack how poorly it was executed and when no one wants to play ball, you desperately tried to insult "muh grammer", and up the usage of the word "binary" in attempt to make yourself seem like a special snowflake because you are so "intelligent". The only thing missing from your post is " I AM SILLY" comic, to really bring it home.

But like ou said, its clear at this point "I can only assume you just like saying shit for the sake of saying shit."

>>92610547
I'm actually deeply depressed by it.
Ive had anxiety since the last episode.
Its just so pointless and brutal to leave Jack in this purgatory with no hope in either life or death
Jacks fate is not poignant, its the absolute worst kind of hell you can imagine.

Imagine having to leave the place where you've made friends for the last 50 years, and never ever see any of them again.
Not only that, you know that they have been permanently wiped from existence.
At least in death you could take some comfort from the fact that they are in the afterlife waiting for you, but they have never existed BECAUSE OF YOU, their very souls have been obliterated.

You have returned to a foreign land, where everyone who knew you previously will think you are insane because you have been irreversibly changed due to 50 years of fighting and traveling and seeing things these people will never understand.
You have spent more than a lifetime away and you will always be the outsider to them.

........

>>92614209
Imagine, the only light in your life ,a woman who had experienced similar suffering and who could see a reflection of herself in you and love you for it, has been cast away into nothingness. This is all because these strangers from your past who dont give two shits of a fuck about you or your struggles can have a second chance at living.
Remember, to them you were only gone 5 minutes, how can they ever relate to your turmoil?
They were too weak to face Aku in the first place and died, and your lifetime of suffering has merely giving them a second bite at the apple.Meanwhile all your friends who faced their deaths in attempt to save you and your wife to be, have not been granted a similar privilege, on the contrary they have been granted the ultimate insult of being wiped from existence.

Meanwhile you wander the world without a purpose knowing that the world you fought to save, where you made so many friends, where you met THE LOVE OF YOUR LIFE who saved you from your demons and who showed you a side of yourself you didn't know existed will no longer or will ever exist and that absolutely nothing waits for you in death either.

What a truly horrendous fate.

>>92606875
>spend entire season building up theme of Jack inspiring good in the world in spite of Aku's evil
>ashi points out the people he's saved

>NOPE LET'S JUST SCRAP EVERYTHING AND HAVE A RUSHED 30 SECOND AKU DEATH

>>92614297
>you've given all these people hope
>now that that's established let's erase them from existence

Well.

Atleast the first three episodes were good.

>>92614353
True dat, they feel like two different series

>>92614353
This was the fastest case of seasonal rot I've ever seen.

>>92614341
Exactly. If the writers wanted to stick to Jack wanting to get back to the past fine, but it just didn't fit with this season's theme

>>92606875
>hated Ashi
>wanted Jack to get to the past
The salt this is producing sustains me
What a fine ending to a brilliant cartoon

My complaint is how rushed it all felt, and how it didn't feel like a final encounter.

Also it seemed really fucking weird for ashi to die that much later, I wanted her to die but the way they did it came off as awkward. Like kill her at the tower when they kill Aku.

If you want the wedding scene then don't have the tower explode, have them hug at the tower go through the whole wedding sequence and have him woken up by the dream by her dying words.

Having her die that far away from the Aku death just makes it oddly disconnected.

>>92614455
faggot detected

>>92614341
>>92614403
It was just bad writing, the plot was going all over the place. I don't really care about Ashi, but all those characters we grew up with are now all fucking gone. It completely makes watching the old season pointless because now it never "happened".

Like what was the point of even showing all the good Jack did? They made it seem like, even when things are bad we will always find a way, it had a good message behind it. Instead we got some forced bullshit ending and making Ashi disappearing on her wedding day was just complete nonsense.

>>92614476
>Having her die that far away from the Aku death just makes it oddly disconnected.
This. I think they did it because everyone already called that she would die, but they tried to give some "hope" by delaying it so it would come as a surprise.

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>feels like I'm watching Shining Heresy's ending ending again
Man now I remembered why I'm angry about it again.
Why make based stoic men suffer and never get love?

>>92606875
The problem isn't that it was bittersweet. The problem is that the serise finale did not fit the theme of the season

>>92614578 exactly

The ending was too happy.

Jack should have died, Ashi should have died, the future-that-is-aku people should have had to accept their fate of ceasing to exist.

It had no punch because it went in the most predictable and unsatisfying way possible.

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>>92606875
The ending was just trash. Rushed, poorly written, and a ripoff. Has nothing to do with being bittersweet.

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>>92613974
Maybe next time be in charge of cartoon network and foot the bill for a movie instead of 1 season 20min eps.

Wait you can't because you're a fucking faggot.

>>92614806
?
You gotta have everyone banding up for a final fight, because otherwise people would complain that Jack helping everyone was pointless.
Ashi dying was obvious when they decided to go back in time, and going back in time was literally the entire premise of the fucking show.
If Jack would have failed in his quest to kill Aku that would have been just blueballing everyone.

What the fuck did you want? Jack and Ashi dying and Aku continuing to rule? Careful with that edge my man.

>>92613733
Mad though he may be, you're kind of just proving his point by saying stuff like "nostalgia bait". Cynicism isn't as clever as you think it is.

Also, you're not special for predicting what literally everyone on this board (or anyone with a functional brain) predicted. Did you miss the boat on the smug reaction image dump? I think that was yesterday.

>>92614168
>ignoring everything you don't agree with
I responded to nearly every word you said, down to the prepositions.

> inferior "binary" arguments
I say you have a binary understanding because you time and time again demonstrate it, by believing such things as me thinking your stance is inferior for no reason other than the fact that it is different from mine. I may have implied it when I related it to nihilism, but what that means ultimately depends on your viewpoints on nihilism.

> My favorite part is that while doing this, you try and come off as "calm"
And you keep making up things. You've made up more things about my intentions than you've actually made points. My responses can only be a reflection of what you give me, so that's on you. Let's say I'm hot-blodded, all fired up because I have nothing else going on in my life. I'm a pathetic loser that lives with his parents that likes to argue about children's cartoons on the internet. Oh wow, that somehow affects my arguments! Jokes on you, my parents are actually homeless. But lets save the blogging for Google+.

> then tried to critique the way people in general view "stories" when we are specially talking about Samurai jack how poorly it was executed
I was always talking about writing. The only reason the subject matter of Genndy wanting a bittersweet ending came up was because I posited that writing (and communication) is about accurately conveying intention/meaning, not the execution itself. A point we could debate all day, but you keep making up random transgressions to speak on instead.

>you desperately tried to insult "muh grammer"
The flow of my posts didn't change, and that was a minor part of it. I used it to speak to you directly, utilizing your own logic. See, your argument is that communication is all in how it is presented. But you yourself present a careless attitude when it comes to communication.

>>92608428
This was the best part of the finale. That and the Scotsman.

>>92614476
That was a recurring issue this season. Episode 4 immediately springs to mind. They had a perfect opportunity while Ashi was knocked out to place the flashback with the lady bug, which then in conjuction with escaping with Jack would make her sitting down and contemplating everything flow better.

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>>92615492
>He's still at it

You already lost your credibility the moment you had to resort to insulting grammar. Now you're bringing up nihilism, your homeless parents and a bunch of shit no one cares about.

This whole discussion started on the fact that Genndy went full retard and has poor decision making skills. Glad we both agree, you can go now.

Unless you want more (you)'s, I can probably give you one more since you been so kind in providing keks in your tryhard posts

>>92615270
Not him, but who cares if cynicism is clever or not? It's still better than trying to bullshit yourself into thinking you still feel something. Especially on 4chan.

>>92615925
Jokes on you, my 4chan extensions are broken and I'm too lazy to fix them, so I don't get (You)'s.

Note how I made jokes about all that personal blogging stuff, because all you seem to care about is ad homimemes. You're shouting at a mirror.

>Now you're bringing up nihilism
I mentioned that at the very beginning, I literally brought it up again as a reference to my early mention of it. Your "oh looks like he's trying hard, let's make fun of him" attitude is further demonstration of your nihilistic tendencies.

Which is what I've been attacking this whole time.

I worry for you. I'm still at it because I'm not trying hard. This comes easy. Because loving you is easy, because you're beautiful.

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>>92616337
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ok.

>>92614812
This season was longer than a movie

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>>92606875
DO THE IMPOSSIBLE SEE THE INVISIBLE ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWA!

>>92606875
I knew from the start that it wasn't going to be a happy ending
the complaint is that the pacing was shit and that the monumental asspull at the end was ridiculous, even by samurai jack standards
I feel like if genndy was given a full season instead of this bs 10-episode format, a lot of the pacing issues would've been addressed, though I'm still not happy with the way ashi turned out

>>92606875
>bittersweet endings are the best

how does it feel being pseudo-mature?

childish: loving happy endings
immature: loving dark, sad endings
pseudo-mature: loving bittersweet endings
mature: understanding that happy endings were the best after all

Why didn't Ashi open up another time portal, go in to the future, and shove some Aku sperm in to her mom?

>>92606875
A bittersweet ending shouldn't make you laugh at the ridiculousness of the part that's supposed to be sad.

>>92606875
>Bittersweet ending where hero wins but also loses is the best kind of ending

This is why Trump won. Because your generation has been trained to accept losing.

>>92618444
>Ashi died to try and create a good future
>trumps just gonna nuke it all away

>>92606875
I loved when the plot of the entire show got resolved in less than 3 seconds.

>>92607292
Snort Drano.

Do you think Genndy's ever going to do a Q&A about the ending? I really wanna see him justify his decisions.

>>92606875
It was a shitty forced ending and you meed to kill yoursef faggot

>>92618547
>Implying that Trump isn't just one of Aku's disguises

>>92610082
>Everyone from the past could have looked down from the afterlife with pride at him repairing the future.

I want Genndy to explain if the "erased" people go to the afterlife or not. The ladybug at the end seemed to hint Ashi isn't totally gone, but we got no real closure.

GENNDY YOU FUCKING NIGGER REEEEEEE

>>92616930
The ending should fit the overall feel of the piece of media it's attached to.

Happy endings don't fit in something really fucked up and dark like, say, Crossed, the same way having a hero who has given countless gallons of blood and sweat selflessly for decades lose everything in the end feels shitty.

So many people feel empty about SJ ending because the end gave us no fucking closure, showed nothing of the aftereffects of Aku being dead and fucked Jack over once again.

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>>92621763

>Happy endings don't fit in something really fucked up and dark like, say, Crossed, the same way having a hero who has given countless gallons of blood and sweat selflessly for decades lose everything in the end feels shitty.

>>92621763
This.
If I want something to end on a bleak note, I'll watch chinatown.
If I want something to end on a happy note, I thought I was in the right place with a show that ended a cheesy romance episode with 2 characters kissing while dean martin plays.

>>92621763
>Lose everything
He didn't lose anything though.

>>92621930
Yeah I don't know what these faggots are talking about, S1E1 is the only canon episode.

>>92621930
If I lost a girl like Ashi while she was walking down the aisle to marry me, I don't think I'd want to live anymore.

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>>92607465
iktfb

>that ending music

everytime

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>>92606875

The entire ending was lackluster as fuck

They have been building up Jack and Aku fighting one last time with Jack correcting time and he kills Aku in 2 seconds.

The final battle with past Aku was so fucking bad. No drama, climax or weight.

They just go through time portal like it was nothing. They should have had Jack kill future Aku first and then have Ashi give Jack the choice of going thru her time portal and Jack realizing the implication that by going back to the past he'll erase the existence of all his future friends.

The ending was so incredibly rushed. Thats what made it bad. It could have still ended with Ashi ceasing to exist under these circumstances and it would have been good but what made it bad was how rushed it was.

>>92622216
Imagine if Jack went into that foggy forest at the end and sudoku'd himself. As forced bleak as the ending we got is, that would be unreal.

>>92622376
If Jack got a choice I seriously doubt he would have gone back, especially when he's surrounded by his old friends.

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>>92622427

and that would have been the bittersweet ending. Jack never returned to the past but stayed in the future to help rebuild it.

Both endings could have worked where he returned or stayed but the reason it falls flat was how rushed it was. Zero time to step back and self reflect on the situation at hand

>>92610750
this!!!!

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>>92608939

Does anybody have the latest image with all the episodes coming together with the hype couch guys?

I haven't seen one for the finale yet.

>>92606875
That's part was fine I'm just mad no gaurdian. What if hidden epilogue though after next Saturdays marathon? How would you react?

I think OP is more of a baby than who he is complaining about

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>>92623422

Christ this is Mass Effect 3 and Man of Steel all over again.

You can have a sad ending without it being shitty derivative writing. Plenty of stuff does it. Hell, in this case, the show the ending rips off did it just fine!

>>92625717
thanks

>>92622376
Dude we pretty much knew from day one that Jack vs past Aku would be a curbstomp, what did you expect?

>>92625717
>no rick & morty

>>92609793
Because Jack can't leave an innocent to die regardless of the circumstances

>>92628308
But he can wipe them from existence when they come to his aid? good to know

>>92606875
THE SWORD WAS SYMBOLISM SO DEEP JAPAN

>>92607544
And they never got to fuck ;-;
>The End

>>92607896
>slight smile
>in that pic
Shit, the whole autist thing isn't just a meme, is it?

>>92622497
His past is his own world though but you have a point, I mean he has literally lived longer in the future than he has in the past.

>>92606875