So, I found a bunch of dudes on Twitter arguing about how Villainous

>>92581738
I'll be honest and say that I don't give a fuck if it's super original so long as it's not an exact carbon copy and it's done well. I don't want a bunch of assholes giving me a bunch of disjointed attempts at a cartoon because they want to reinvent the wheel, I want a good wheel. I like the wheel.

>>92581738
No, because nothing's orginal in the first place. One idea came from something else.

It's Evil Con Carne with Oncelerbait character designs and personalities

Black Hat just looks like a fusion between the Warden and Nergal or Spades Slick

Doesn't really scream originality to me

>>92581738
Just because an idea has already been done before doesn't mean you can create your own unique take on it and make something new.

>>92581738
>black eyes
>paper bag

Literally 2-D from Gorillaz. Originality my ass

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>>92581738
>SU
>original

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>Tryhard villain protagonist who never accomplishes anything

>Crazy female henchman

>Constantly abused male henchman

>Retarded bear sidekick

It's okay to not be completely original but there are fucking limits.

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>all the guy characters aren't showing their faces or aren't human looking or attractive
>they look wacky and interesting with different skin colours and body shapes and themes

>the girl character is just a normal hot bodied white girl with a pretty face and a hat on

DROPPED

>>92582454
What's wrong with being white?

>>92581738
>¿
Who is this?

>>92581738
something can be 100% original and be shit and something can be a complete rip off and be great.
What people still dont get is that villainous isnt about a group of villains who try to get over the world. Its about arm dealers that HELP villains.That means that if it gets a full series,the episodes dont always have to end with them failing.Sure,it still has evil con carne tropes,but the shorts are allready funnier than that show ever was and has better animation.

>>92581738
No, but at least it should try to be a little bit. Villainous is so derivative it hurts.

Demencia is basically humanized Gir.

>>92581738
>¿
Have you once in your life asked why no other language needs to do this

>>92582485
That's the one detail of my post you latch on to? Really?

She could have red skin or green skin or some shit since she has a frog hat, but they decided to make her as human as possible.

>>92581819
This.
>Dementia's role in the show
Also OP, is that really the actual reason why they don't like it

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>>92582454
>Not looking hard enough
She's a fucking lizard

The way she moves, the shit with her eyes and teeth, everything about her design screams that BH experimented on some kind of reptilian thing to make a human out of, and Dementia was the result.

I like Steven Universe but I'm really sick of its fans getting mad at other cartoons and yelling "WHY ISN'T THIS MORE STEVEN UNIVERSE"

Like Teen Titans Go and Loud House are bad and should be more STEVEN UNIVERSE

Steven Universe isn't even THAT original, there's a ton lifted from other shows and one of the other characters is basically just Invader Zim but with some sympathy.

>>92582547
no.
they dont like it because one of the artists who worked on it scammed people way back.
she apologized but tumblr never forgives and n ever forgets

>>92581738
Villainous is not original at all but at the same time it's not exactly a bad show.

Unlike Steven Universe the animation and writing quality is consistent even though the characters are harder to animate. I like SU but originality alone isn't enough to attract a viewership if the execution is shit.

Also, this is the second Mexican cartoon this year that is good. I say let us have this one, because it's a big step forward for Mexican animation.

>>92581738
The best part about Villainous is that we can use tumblr tactic againts them, you just have to say they're racist for trying to attack the first latin american cartoon on CN and they will shut up

>>92582575
This, SU has like a fucking billion anime references.

>>92582564
I watched the first 5 episodes and she's just a hot girl with a hat and a coat on her back. She's literally a hot redhead with a different coloured eye. Normal white skin and a normal human body type.

Boring waifu bait character.

>>92582665
watch the 25 second shorts.shes a mutant.

>>92582657
I know this is for the joke but it's not exactly a bad idea. It's the first Mexican cartoon to be made for Cartoon Network, so if we want to see more good shows produced by Latin Americans, Villainous NEEDS the support.

>>92582564
>>92582665
There a episode were there blueprints of her on the wall, so i think it implied that she's a experiment, also i don't know how human Flug is?

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>>92582709
>>92582665

>>92582665
>he didn't watch the shorts

>>92582698
>>92582709
So she's an experiment, but she looks like a completely normal hot girl human being?
That's even worse.

>>92582665
I'm sorry you have difficulty paying attention then
She has a lizard eye, crawls around on the, and there's even a schemata in one of the background shots that pretty much every except for you managed to pick up on

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>>92582665
>She's literally a hot redhead with a different coloured eye. Normal white skin and a normal human body type.
And you need more than that degenerate scum?

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>>92581738
>So, I found a bunch of dudes on Twitter arguing about how Villainous has a great lack of originality

Well, it's true.

There's nothing special or interesting that I can see about this show. People are just waifuing Demencia and making up reasons to watch beyond that.

I mean, it's not awful, but... I can't see it being interesting enough to watch full episodes of.

>Then I realized they were angry about Demencia being waifubait and you know: "female characters must have more important roles in fiction hurr hurr".

Are you sure these complaints are even coming from the same people in all cases? This sounds like you conflating two different sources of criticism in order to negate the legitimate one.

I find Villanous uninteresting, and I don't give a fuck about any of that stuff.

>>92581738
Things that didn't happen

>>92582758
She literally just has a different coloured eye that is achievable with a contact lens. Visually, she is a normal boring human being. She's the token hot girl. Lame. At least the paperbag guy has some mystery to him, it's interesting.

>>92581908
>Those characters invented the top hat villain!

>>92582575
>Like Teen Titans Go and Loud House are bad

This is true, though. Those are bad shows.

At least, they're bad for people over the age of ten. There's literally nothing in them for anyone in our age group.

>>92582454
>normal

ok

>>92582747
>every experiment character in every cartoon ever made should never look like a human
>because why care about subtlety and the contrast factor
Curious, it's always people who don't understand character creation the first to shit on a design.

>>92582608
>the writing is consistent
>show with like 6 shorts a 1 minute
What a fucking argument

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give me a damn english version.

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>mfw this isn't even a full show yet and has already managed to garner enough popularity to have people actively arguing about how good/bad it is on multiple social media sites

Boy, everyone seems to be forgetting that attention is attention.

I bet Alan Ituriel is having a blast knowing his ancient DeviantArt OC is actually spawning this much discourse. Good for him.

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>>92582824
See, I'd disagree with the 'visually boring' part, considering that she's (physically) the most colorful character in the show

BH is obviously entirely black, Flug is white and blue, 505 is blue, but she's a veritable rainbow of stuff going on, with sahdesreds and greens and dark blues and whites

If you find her boring, then I guess that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but all that says to me is that you didn't really bother to look and just made a snap decision about it

>>92582824
>fujoshit shitting on the girl of the main group
It's always, with no exception, the same in every fucking show.
What's the problem with these people?

>>92582699
How would i support it? Any sites or merch?

>>92582926
Don't forget that fucking Markiplier and Lemonteaflower fiasco

>>92582824
>she is a normal boring human
>normal boring human
>normal

I didn't know it was normal for human women to lust after villainous figures in top hats while simultaneously ruining their operations.

>>92581738
Can someone please explain to me what the fuck this show is? Why are there so many threads? Did something happen?

I don't know how this show got so much popularity overnight.

I hate SU with a fury, but this show is actually worse.

I'd never hard of it until very, very recently and somehow it's become a super big deal, and I can't figure out why.

The fucking dude is a SuperJail Warden ripoff that looks like an edgelord, but maybe that's the appeal.

>>92581738
post twitter convo or gtfo

>>92582973
>fiasco

Explain?

>>92583009
have you ever been in a thread?
Nothing but porn request from waifufags and fujoshits

>>92583009
You can't explain trends. I'm still pissed that /co/ became infatuated with Marcus Level for a while and drew like a dozen drawings of some stupid elf girl. But then I think back to the Pumpkin Reports threads we had on /co/ last year where we were a weekly thing and hit 500 posts all of the time.

Villainous is admittedly far, far faster than all of that. There are multiple threads a day. But some things can't be explained so easily.

>>92583000
Harley wannabe, yawn

>>92583004
>some mexican makes a tryhard cartoon
>tryhard cartoon has waifubait
>everyone fell for the waifubait
>show now has too many attention despite being a mediocre product

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>>92583009
>SuperJail Warden ripoff
Either you never watched this or you never watched superjail. Either way, you're full of shit.

>>92583004
its a short-styled tv show that aired on CN LA and not in the US(yet) about arms dealers trying to sell stuff to villains.
Part of why its getting so much attention is because its the first mexican animation production that is not complete horseshit.
Maybe you americans get cartoons every once in a while but if you saw some of our latino cartoons you would see your shit as a holy grail.
Also every character is fuckable.

>>92583009
>SuperJail Warden ripoff
Because he wears a top hat and a suit?

>>92583047
lurk more faggot

>>92583077
he's by far the first one to mention that so he has a point

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>>92583062
>Comparing a woman with emotional baggage in an abusive relationship with what is basically Rule 63 Gir

>>92583089
Because, like the Warden, he seems to have supernatural powers and shape-shifting abilities.

and yes, because he wears a suit + top hat

>>92583127
>he's by far the first one to mention that so he has a point
No, it means he's full of shit. I could be first to compare this to Scooby Doo. It's first, but that won't make it valid.

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Me gusta ver que finalmente logramos hacer una caricatura lo suficientemente popular para sacar hate threads
Alan Ituriel es un dios.

>>92583158
Meh.

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>>92583158
Get back over the wall, Pablo

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>>92583004
It's not the same spaghetti armed bullshit they've been trying to feed us these last few years
It's villain protagonists, but they aren't incompetent fucks like Evil Con Carne, and a lot of people have been finding them pretty endearing
It's not the retarded screaming child "comedy" of TTG, and it's not a tryhard "look at how mature and sensitive we are!" of SU, but finds a nice middle ground with a comically evil MC. That's why I like it, at least

Reminds me of something I'd see on Cartoon Cartoon Fridays back as a kid

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If you live in the US,i can see why you dont see the appeal.
But you need to understand that to Latin america this is our citizen kane of animation.

The premise may not be entirely unique, but it's pretty original
> villain protagonist is an eldritch horror
> doesn't obsess over deafeating a hero
> in fact, he is so overpowered that heros don't even trouble him
> he doesn't want to don't take over the world
> instead he sells devices to empower other villains
Name another cartoon that does this.

>>92581738
Villainous looks fun. If people don't want to watch it because it looks unoriginal to them, that's their loss. Not everyone's seen the same stuff they have.

The animation looks pretty good, but I don't know if that's going to change if it ultimately becomes a show. Would they have to simplify the character designs to accommodate for an 11 minute episode budget?

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>>92583202

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>>92583127
I've been perusing the Villainous threads since last Wednesday, and haven't seen anything negative about Markiplier and Leamonteaflower being involved in the shorts.

What, are you referring to some sort of "waifu/husbando" bullshit arguments or something? Because I just tend to ignore those conversations.

>>92583205
>Latin america
First, take a bit of pride, and say Mexico.
Secondly, even if facetious, you do really need to get your head out of whatever ass it's in.

>>92583209
*he doesn't want to take over the world

>>92583244
it's been mentioned/linked to in a handful of posts but i don't blame you for missing them
it's all over tumblr though

>>92583249
>mexico is the only latin america country that makes animation
you fucking wish

>>92583077
>>92583089
>>92583130
>>92583151
>both are shapeshifting eccentric reality-warpers wearing suits and top hats with a very specific style of movement posture and animation with weird eyes and with insane tendencies who are villainous in many ways but have some good/antiheroic qualities that blur the lines a bit and both have comedic sides and both enjoy partaking in outlandish devices and technology while rangling along a quirky cast of weirdos who either idolize or hate them

Absolutely zero resemblance for sure.

>>92583244
He's referring to the very first thread made when it was first announced. It was basically /co/ having an shitfit because Markiplier was involved.

It shifted to waifubaiting but some people just can't let go.

>>92583209
Also it's done pretty well. Better than the rest of CN currently, except maybe for Gumball.

>>92583047
I know I shouldn't spoon feed but I hope this is correct
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/miss-officer-and-mr-truffles
https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/tumblr-fanart-kickstarter-stirs-up-controversy/

>>92583284
>you fucking wish
Maybe, if that was my point, but my point is that the creator, and head-honcho of this project is Mexican. So my wish would be getting what you are on about, really.

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>>92583289
>youtuber with a bunch of fans gets the chance to be on a cartoon show

>faggots on the internet hate him for getting to do something they dream of doing

Nothing ever changes, I guess.

>>92583047
markpliers is bullshit (hes friends with jontron) but lemonflower scammed people over a project.
She apologized later.

>>92583307
>shouldn't spoonfeed
Then don't do it, dumbfuck

>>92583209
They're shorts, though. Most of that info is not there and is subject to change. This is CN, we're talking about.
You can like it, but the fact that is not original, and the character design is dA bullshit, will not change. The only really original detail there is the weapon manufacturer/arms dealer to other villains thing.

>>92583209
too bad no one cares about the premise because the character designs are absolutely unoriginal

who even cares what this evil guy and his awkward nerdy scientist do? they're still an evil guy and a nerdy scientist we've seen so many times before

>>92583285
>One is a narcissist that thinks he can do no wrong by inventing ways to torture criminals with bizarre technology

>One is a nonhuman thing with no reality shifting powers and relies on a dude wearing a bag for his reality shifting gadgets

>They both wear suits

Full of shit.

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>>92581908
>Oncelerbait character

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>>92583330
what im getting on about is that we have this cartoon that
A)Is good
B)Has great animation
C)Isnt pandering to the latino audience
These 3 things are something we should have learned a long time ago and we havent.
Every time theres something mexican in animation they have to go back to the "tacos,burritos,orale" shit that not everybody is gonna get.
And now we have a cartoon with 0 of that,and has fluid animation that can be compared to some american productions.
Yeah,its not that great, but its a huge step in animation for us.

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Damn, people are mad as fuck already?

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>>92583425
>Oncler invented the top hat villain

>>92583355
>>92583307
>I know I shouldn't
since people like to sperg when you do. I can see I was right.

>>92583285
>but have some good/antiheroic qualities that blur the lines a bit and both have comedic sides and both enjoy partaking in outlandish devices and technology while rangling along a quirky cast of weirdos who either idolize or hate them
wrong.black hat is 100% evil and they dont hang around nobody else other than the bear and dementia.

>>92583429
They've been mad for years. Only now that the show is gaining traction are they coming out of their hideyholes to shitpost.

>>92583427
I've not watched the show but seeing its fanart makes me want to bash its head in with a fire extinguisher.

>people actually complaining about likable and attractive western characters that can be compared to anime characters and demanding more socially retarded and physically grotesque characters similar to Steven Universe
what went so horribly wrong

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>>92583487
take it easy buddy

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>>92582414
>>92581908
>b-but it's better than CalArts shit so you HAVE to like it

>>92583499
I think most of us hate Smegmen Universe just as much as whatever the fuck this hot-baked burrito shit is, anon.

>>92583384
>character design is dA
Everything on CN is dA level right now, so that doesn't say much.

can someone make a /trash/ thread already so i don't have to shit up threads like this with porn

>>92583518
Nobody's saying you have to like it, but don't get pissy because they're trying to defend a show they enjoy

>>92583427
Cool. And?
Anon stating "latin america" instead of "mexico", like they did on that first post, seems to trivialize everything on this post you made, about the good effort put into this thing.
So, again, what were you on about with this >>92583284 ?

>>92583385
Premise is more important then character design because premise is what makes a character interesting.
>Adventure Time: Boy and his dog
>Regular Show: boring furries
>SU: Kid taken care by adults
Yet all these shows are praised.

>>92583518
No it's why I like it. If that's your main reason for disliking it, you need your head examined.

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If any drawfags are lurking in the thread, I have a request for them:

Requesting Black Hat, Dr Flug, and Dementia, all three of them in their underwear and with their backs turned to the viewer, doing a little booty-shaking dance.

>>92583544
Can you go away?

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Only a half hour old

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BASED ALAN
From the creators twitter

>>92583544
Check /aco/ first

>>92582532
>non-whites don't look human
Wow racist

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Lets face it,this is gonna end up becoming another Villainous thread.

>>92583499
>>92583518
>>92583554
Shit. That's what I couldn't put to words. It's like superhero movie fatigue. Calarts meme aside, people were so tired of one thing, that they went nuts over the next immediate thing, that looks different enough.

>>92581908
>It's Evil Con Carne w
okay you've said enough, where can i watch this show?

>>92583593
>>92583594
Fantastic

>>92583629
That's what it always was.

>>92581738
I want to impregnate Dementia

>>92583499
If you would simply draw the silhouette of the 3 characters you couldn't even tell them apart besides their heads
that IS shitty character design, though normal in anime, so just the shit you love so much

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If Demencia is Black Hat's #1 fangirl, why do they let her pal around with them?

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>ITT
>Salty autists being salty
>Horny autists that want lewds

Guess we ran out of stuff to talk about

>>92583387
>I'm going to become accomplished and successful by making devices that can rehabilitate prisoners and revolutionize the criminal justice system and gain admiration!
>Oh no, it went completely different than expected and now it's causing havoc! But I'm somewhat insane so I may be okay with that.

>I'm going to become accomplished and successful by making devices that can thwart superheroes and revolutionize the efforts of villains and gain admiration!
>Oh no, it went completely different than expected and now it's causing havoc! But I'm somewhat insane so I may be okay with that.

You know it's bad when animators have to not only rip off a superior kids cartoon from over a decade ago, but also a superior adults cartoon from a decade ago.

Alan made his DeviantArt OCs a real cartoon on a fucking CN.
People like it and you all useless faggots can stay salty because there is nothing you can do about it.

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I really wanna see more characters and see how odd the designs get

>>92583652
ask him
https://ask.fm/SombreroNegro

>>92583629
That's what it is, shit-eyes. Think before you post.

>>92583575
Are you ok, anon? Why are you so defensive?

>>92581738
>¿do you think that a cartoon or any kind of media needs to be original enough to rank a good point of quality?

Everything should have some level of originality. That doesn't mean everything needs to be completely "untainted" by outside influences or whatever the fuck impossibility people expect.

I think this meets the originality baseline, at least. There's plenty here conceptually that's interesting, and it's well-executed in those shorts, too.

>¿
Somebody explain to me why Spanish needs this.

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>>92583629
>other Villianous thread just died

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>>92583009
>cute girl that waifusfags and artists love to fawn over/draw
>cute boys that fujos fall for and artist love to fawn over/draw
>fun humor
>designs that years ago might've seen "plain' or unoriginal, but are now pretty distinct with their dark tones and "edge"
>character designs and the characters, themselves, that are fun and bounce off each other
>premise that's simple but can be expanded upon
>it's new

http://trash-papa.tumblr.com/post/160872875796/shitty-quality-but-english-duuuubbb

Is Flug a stutterer? That's cute

>>92583663
>t.ive never seen the shorts but i saw the fanarts.
black hat isnt insane.hes just an asshole.
he doesnt even want to be famous or rich.he just wants to cause pain to others.

>>92583659
Well, there's not much new content.

>>92583663
>Warden not already successful

>Black Hat being okay with anything

>trying this hard
Shit. You are full of it.

>>92583650
This is the shit that they teach young "artists" nowadays?
jesus christ

>>92583634
original video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo8NwDptljM

all the shorts with subs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3wdXO651Po&t=

>>92583696
>Somebody explain to me why Spanish needs this.
I always assumed it was because it immediately let you know the next sentence is a question, or something like that.

>>92583708
glad that some people can find it.

>>92583593
LOVE IT

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>>92583760
I wonder how long it will be before we get the original versions

>>92583718
>>92583727
>haha black hat isnt the warden thats where your wrong kiddo see black hat is even MORE shallow uninteresting and simplistic and has even less writing and motivation than the warden hows it feel to be wrong haha sure showed him

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Holy shit. From a crew members tumblr, drawn by Alan!

>>92581738
>Originality

Calling Steven Universe "original" is like calling selling shit in a soda bottle original. Yeah, it is original, but that doesn't mean it's good. The show is a complete mess that tries things that straight up don't work from an animation perspective, plot perspective, and the overall expected quality of cartoons in general.

Of course, not everything is original. Inspirations can't be used if you want to be original, because that means you've copied either some characteristics or plot staples of other products, or worse, copied the whole damn thing.

So far, Villanious does seem very similar character staple and plot wise to Evil Con Carne. But I find that the way it is now is fine, so long as they don't straight up steal entire episode plots from Evil Con Carne.

I find that a cartoon that puts focus into entertaining rather than telling a shit story in an attempt to establish deep lore or to pamper specific audiences is much better than what we got now, and has jokes that aren't the level of quality as TTG, is more than welcome. Having the focus on villain characters is good too. Not "original", no, but fresher than a majority of what's currently on CN.

tl;dr, it's people bitching that it doesn't pamper to them specifically and being tools about it.

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>>92583554
Ever since the first Villainous thread, whenever someone complains about any aspect of it (mostly the designs), the defense is always "well it's better than CalArts shit so fuck off"
I like the show's premise and animation but come the fuck on, you have been pissy about criticisms of the show before you even saw the shorts.

>>92583562
>I like this thing because it looks marginally less shitty than the other thing
If you say so.

>>92583630
That's exactly it.
It doesn't have to be good, it just has to be different.

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>>92583703
Westaboos look like their having a ton of fun with the show, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside

>>92581908
Black Hat just takes the evil dude with a top hat trope up to 11

Is this show the SU of the homestuck of the MLP of generation?

It's just a silly little show with likable characters that fills that Evil Con Carne shaped hole I had in my heart. Watching Drakken and Shego in Kim Possible and Lord Hater + Peebles in Wnader over Yonder, made me realize I wanted a show about them and not the main character, and Villainous perfectly fills that niche.


Also, I finished this.
>>92582098
>>92577369

>>92583833
The guy sure does love his supervillains. Based.

>>92582414
>>Tryhard villain protagonist who never accomplishes anything

The whole reason of why he's selling shit is because he already accomplished enough

>>92583803
No more strawmans? Going for a more personal comeback? All out of ammo?

Then take your shit and get out.

>>92583351
He's friendly with Pewdiepie and she never had a chance to scam anyone outside of a single collaborator because the Kickstarter failed. For some reason people seem to forget that a failed Kickstarter affords none of the pledged cash to the person running it. People were suspicious of the way she said the funds would be allocated, but it was all just accusations.

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>>92583869
Would've helped if I posted it.

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>>92583803
Why does he need to be deep? He's evil. He does things for evil sake. Enjoy the shenanigans that come from that.

>>92582665
The point is that she's just a fangirl that won't leave

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6 minutes of cartoon has generated so much rage, porn, and shitposting in only 3 days. It's almost impressive.

>>92583908
I love it

>>92583833
Alan's art really improved in just a few years.

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>>92583803
seems to me you just have a massive shit taste.
pack your things and leave fag

>>92582414
the only thing that bothers me is the retarded bear sidekick. i mean, you couldn't just have some big oafish lackey?

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>>92583943
I don't know if that's a good or bad thing, I'm worried

>>92583943
If anything, it's a statement on the current crop of animated programs that we have access to. Few people are happy with what the future holds, and any glimpse at something different brings hope.

A fleeting hope, however, as it won't change the future.

>>92583943
Is this meme magic at work?

>>92583838
>If you say so.
I know so. Characters with actual bone structure is a welcome change from the Noodle Arms of Adventure Time and Regular Show, and ever shifting character size that has become a defining trait of SU.

>>92583943
>Deviantartist's OCs that he's been pushing since 2008 become a hit overnight

If that's not a source of inspiration to future creators I don't know what is.

>>92583802
Cool

>>92583868
No, you're thinking of SU.

But who knows. If the show takes off, this might just be "the next MLP" with a completely awful fanbase.

And Homestuck has actual good shit in it, aside from the ending; it's the cancerous blob of a fanbase they got that makes it such a piece of fucking shit. The moment you talk about it, they crawl out of the woodworks to ruin any discussion held. MLP is mediocre and their fanbase equally as bad as Homestuck's and SU. SU has nothing going for it outside of waifus; that's it.

>>92583943
It hits all the right spots for 14 year olds getting bored of Undertale and SU
Once CN posts the original English versions on YouTube I bet the views on them will be massive
Only a matter of time before this becomes a real show, I don't remember this big of a response for any CN pilot in recent memory.

>>92583908
kek

>>92584003
No. Artists have the power to make anything popular. They can pick any show and just start drawing lewds and people will get interested. As long as they keep drawing, people won't abandon it.

Zootopia general is still a thing because people are STILL drawing Nick and Judy fucking.

>>92584003
I still believe that meme/fujo magic will get Villainous a proper series or at least more shorts.

>>92584054
anon that only works if enough people are into it/creating content too, there's tons of things that have a handful of dedicated artists but a puny-ass fanbase

>>92583868
Not enough SJW shit and the character don't use all the same base so no

Also no deep lore

I don't know shit about Homestuck

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>>92583943
If a webcomic about the artist's transformation fetish can become popular on /co/ anything can.

>>92581738
>¿do you think that a cartoon or any kind of media needs to be original enough to rank a good point of quality?

4chan is an english imageboard. PLease try to English.

>>92584077
>I don't know shit about Homestuck
It was decent for a while until the fanbase devolved into a toxic quagmire of shipping and OC DONUT STEELZ

I say this as I was once part of that toxic quagmire so I know firsthand how bad it became.

>>92581738
Originality is dead since Epic of Gilgamesh was written. Execution is all there is to art.

>>92581738
Where did all this unbridled hate come from? Last time I checked, people couldn't stop gushing over these shorts. Did the Tumblr audience become aware of its existence?

>>92584170
Success breeds jealousy

>>92584107
That one's a weird one.

It's completely obvious fetish material that doesn't go beyond the transformation and has actual interesting world building. It's even more weird when the guy gets commissioned for ACTUAL fetish material, but still doesn't do any of that in his own comic.

A weird thing, it is.

>>92584170
No, like Samurai Jack, SU, Rick and Morty, Gravity Falls, and so many shows that came before, the popularity has earned the ire of those who aren't interested.

Indifference became hatred and /co/ being the pit of Autism that it is, said anons now feel compelled to shitpost on something that they normally wouldn't have given the time of day.

>>92584170
>>92584187
Hype breeds contempt. A dozen 500 post threads bothers people. It starts to turn into something more than it was ever meant to be.

>>92584138
Then no, I don't think Villainous could become like that

>>92584237
It's gonna happen

>>92584252
I doubt it

>>92583351
>>92582973
Good thing they don't have anything to do with actual production of the show, then. Only dubbing it to english.

>>92581738
>Steven Universe
>Original
Lets not kid ourselves.

>>92584252
you sound bitter as fuck

>>92584030
>Once CN posts the original English versions on YouTube I bet the views on them will be massive
As it turns out, that's a huge "if"

>>92584252
There's only four characters in the entire show
Homosuck had ended up with a massive fucking cast, and that made it a breeding ground for shippers

>>92584252
ive had to scrap a character ive had since like 2012 due to him being only a couple notes off of blackhat.
if id kept using him for things he would have ended up as the first OC donutsteel for this show, and i dont want that guilt on my head.

>>92583650
I'm pretty sure the silhouette thing is for posing in animation isn't it?

>>92583908
I thought it would be the other way around.

>>92581908

>Black Hat just looks like a fusion between the Warden and Nergal or Spades Slick

So THAT'S why the fujos are all over this guy.

>>92584306
that feeling always sucks, but it also gives you a chance to go over the design again
failing that, just frankenstein a new character out of the old personality

>>92584293
>There's only four characters in the entire show

These are only shorts, the cast could expand if we end up getting a whole series

>>92583803
The shorts all combined are 6 minutes long.

>>92584342
He also has that demonic flavour like Bill.
It's not gay if it's a demonic abomination in a tophat.

>>92584343
thats true. ive been poking at redesigning him to have a bit more old cartoon in his design and a bit less black skinned monster shark guy

>>92584235
But it's only a single thread at a time. People could just hide it.

>>92584425

No it's really, really gay.

>>92584252
If this show had aired during the scene kid craze we would be loathing it today

>>92584170
If you don't want anons to criticize the show you might want to discuss it somewhere else.

>>92584439
>thatsthejoke.png

So would the universe really end if both Villainous and SU exist simultaneously?

>>92584433
it's pretty much impossible to make a character that both looks appealing and doesn't at least vaguely remind people of something else
do your best, anon

>>92584472
>Tumblr: The Show co-existing with Deviantart: The Show
Maybe

>>92582564
That's kinda hot

>>92584436
They won't. It's a tale as old as time: they insist the issue is the fandom spilling out and somehow ruining their unrelated threads even though it's all politely contained to one thread and they're the only ones intruding to bitch about it.

>>92584461
>don't talk about cartoons in /co/

>>92584499
I thought Deviantart: The Show was The Lion Guard.

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>>92584306
>>92584433
I understand how you feel. Hell, I've been working on an idea very similar to Villainous for a while now, and I must admit that I do feel a bit of jealousy that this show got made before mine (but I will support it).
Black Hat is really not an original character (no one in the show is), every element of his design has been around for decades. You shouldn't think too much about it.
Still, why don't you go over a few of the existing top hat villain archetypes to see how you can redesign your character ?

To the wonderful person who draws those title cards. How many have you drawn? I've seen the "Out of Commission" one, but I think I missed the others.
Can you or anybody who has the rest repost them? I'm the music making faggot, and I'm thinking now of doing a short cue for each of these fan made title cards. You know, kind of like what Batman TAS had each episode?
(Except not as good)

>>92584499
>2010's vs 2000's

>>92584499
I'll take Deviantart: The Show over anything that falls out of Tumblr's multi-gendered cornucopia vagina.

>>92583678
So, are lanky dudes in sharp-dressed suits lady kryptonite?

Because this is becoming a pattern.

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>>92584540
You don't want discussion, you want a hugbox.
It's obvious people are going to criticize the show even though it's not even out yet. The first Villainous thread was mostly negative complaints about the show's designs and tone until the shorts came out and people started to compliment the animation and the character interactions and, of course, gush over waifus/husbandos. It's clear as day these complaints are not going away and will only get worse when more people know about it.
Oh but please, go ahead and cry me a river about how "contrarians" are ruining everything with their "unbridled hate"

>>92584656
>lanky dudes
>lady kryptonite

I really fucking hope so.

>>92584656
If by lanky you mean tall then yes.

>>92584656
most people i know are primarily into black hat for the body horror

>>92584656
It's mostly about the attitude, which being the type to wear a suit ties into. I'm not into lanky dudes but Black Hat's dreamy.

>>92582361
it was original until everyone started aping after them

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/r/ing this but with dr. flug

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>>92581738
>Then I realized they were angry about Demencia being waifubait
>Implying all the gems aren't waifubait in one deegree or another

>>92584656
Yes if they can actually pull off a suit well.
Flug has been pretty popular too because of the paperbag fetish and moe appeal.

>>92584540
>Discussing cartoons in /co/ - Waifus and fetishes

>>92584700
Thing is, I like the designs and all these posts complaining just feel like a broken record

>>92584656
Nah I like my men muscular and or fat. His sharp teeth and eldritch monster thing is what gets me

>>92583708
this looks freakin' ready for release, what the hell is CN waiting for?!

>>92583518
Eveil Con Carne WAS CalArts

>>92584623
Hey, I'm the one who's been doing them. I have three so far:
http://imgur.com/a/Vwk4N

I was planning around ten which would take a few days to a week since I usually prefer to get photosets going for uploads. It'd be cool if you wanted to do music cues for them! Let me know how you would want to go about uploading your music if you did, if you wanted to put it on your youtube channel and use them as the images or anything. I would want to make sure to link you in any post if I upload them if you decide to do it.

If you'd prefer some private messaging stuff, you can find an e-mail and tumblr link here for whichever suits you: http://elenamanetta.com/

>>92583518
I fucking hate this CalArts meme so much

>>92581908
>oncelerbait
Next you're going to tell me Arsene Lupin copied the onceler

>>92584858
Should I draw a heavy-set Black Hat

I've been on the fence about pioneering that but I think he could pull it off

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>shitty tumblr fodder
>emo profile pic
you can't make this shit up

>>92584967
anon if you're not going to do it someone else will
but are you prepared to be known as the person who started it

>>92584967
if you won't do it, i will.

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>>92583205
>Our Citizane Kane
That's not Katy la oruga you fucking underage

>>92584656
>A tall, dark stranger

>>92582968
just keep watching the shorts on the official youtube of CN latin America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo8NwDptljM

you can also watch the official Portuguese dub on CN Brazil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzNbbuhLSp8

if it gets enough views, CN LA may consider making it a full series

>>92584897
Oh, cool. Thanks.
And I will probably be uploading the cues to youtube and soundcloud. Though it's youtube which is most important since it will combine your art with my music. Once I upload them, I'll be sure to link them both here, and to you privately. In fact, one of them might be done sooner than later. I'll also link to your website both on soundcloud and youtube, if you so wish it.

>>92584986
is that a twitter user pretending to be not the same cancer that's on tumblr? oh hilarious

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The only reason I care about this show is because I want to do terrible things to this sweet nerd

>>92583128
those are not mutually exclusive

>>92584967
PLEASE DO IT ANON

>>92585053
It's all anonymous anyway, so that's not really an issue. I guess there's no downside outside of people bitching about the fandom devolving, and they'll do that anyway. Might as well get some cute art out of it.

>>92585304
>unmasking him
Nevermind, fandom cancelled

>>92583708
>People complain about Markiplier voicing the bear
>Literally all of his lines are growling and "aroo?" shit

>>92584215
This is entirely true. And I hate the fact that it is.
>I'm now in the mindset of always hoping new things I like WON'T get popular so the threads don't become total shitfests

>>92585304
>no paperbag
garbage

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>>92585324
Bitch pls, it was bound to happen.

>>92581819
Very well said.

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You're all wrong

>>92585304
>no paperbag

Cancer

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>>92585304
>no bag

>>92585412
DELETE THIS

>>92585412
It got worse

>>92585412
Wow can I have sauce this is hilarious

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>>92585412
DELET THIS

>>92585391
Hopefully never in the show

I have faith it won't since the whole point of the bag is to make his design stand out, even if it was for a mere second, I'd hate it

>>92585412
Kek, memes are fine

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>>92585387
>>92585414
>>92585424
>not liking him for who he is underneath the bag

Mean.

>>92585457
https://twitter.com/wetmonsoon/status/866389667003936768

>>92583518
At least it doesn't try to look with other shows. It's a breath of fresh air during a time where Cal Arts has dominated the entire animation industry.

>>92585488
He is the bag you moron

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>>92585391
>Bagless flug
>Humanized BH

die

>>92585304
He's suffered enough. He hides his identity out of fear that those dear to him will find out what he is being forced to do.

>>92582485
You're not supposed to say that in this generation.

>>92585198
Yeah! That sounds best. I'll hold off making any posts until you upload something, then I'll embed a YouTube link to go along with the image. I end up putting a lot of art on hold, so I'm in no rush to upload stuff.

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>>92585488
source on that image?

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i'm not that anon but i'm here to ruin the thread

>>92585412 *WHIPCRACK*

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>>92584617
hes not even a damn top hat, but look at him and tell me he doesnt ring a few bells.
hes even got a flapper girl harley quinn knock off minion type.

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>>92585574
Loving that pic and filename

>>92582485

because apparently, white people are the scourge of humanity.

>>92585488
> not realising that Flug needs to keep his identity secret because he can't deal with heros as easily as BH
> not helping him to avoid the potential danger or blackmailing and bullying him

>>92582824
Did you miss the part where she was crawling down walls like a lizard? Don't you lie to me.

>>92585503
It's a joke, you mong.

>>92585488
There has to be a reference to Flugg's family

>dad wears a trash bag on his head
>mother a handbag or large purse

>>92585644
Well, fuck you, I never joke

>>92585503
we don't actually know that for certain, currently he's living off cartoon physics but he could very well have a face under there. There's guaranteed to be an episode focusing on whether or not he's the bag or if there's a human underneath

>>92585631

i read that too fast and thought you wrote "crawling down balls like a lizard".

i am tired.

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I just find Demencia a bonus. Black Hat looking like Jack Noir was what reeled me in.

>>92585574
I think you mean bless

As a fellow spic, I thought it was a mediocre cartoon clearly inspired by the creator loving Nightmare Before Christmas and thinking Jack is the coolest shit or something. Demencia was a very bland character with potential, like a crazy classic Harley Quinn, and the scientist guy is the only good character so far.

But I'm glad they made it, if anything to move foward with new projects made by spics.

>>92585739
What on earth does Black Hat have in common with Jack? They don't even have the same body type, Black Hat is perfectly average and Jack is rail-thin.

>>92585739
Us 4channers, amirite?

>>92585618
they are, no sarcasm

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So if I am to understand this we are trying to get this into a full fledged show?

>>92585694

There is obviously a human face there, what I mean is that the bag is basiclly his face at this point, it'd be stupid to take it away, specially considering how the Paperbag is such an important part of him

>There's guaranteed to be an episode focusing on whether or not he's the bag or if there's a human underneath

Nah, I don't expect them to make a big deal out of it, he just wears a bag over his head

>>92585725
BH and especially Flug are indeed pretty interesting.

BTW, what about the design makes her so waifuable?

The eyelashes? Showing lots of skin on the legs? Am I secretly a fangfag?

>>92585775
huh?

I just like the word spic. Looks like spicy. I wear it proudly.

>>92585320
Any specific requests for it?

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>>92585566
@rhythmi0136

>>92585770
>What on earth does Black Hat have in common with Jack?
Nothing but the hot topicness. They're not similar characters at all, but Jack's merchandise has the same aura as Black Hat.

>>92585797
Dicks. In. Crazy.

>>92585812
Him smirking (of course), eating something llike a pastry and drooling while his fat belly is stuck out? Enough the buttons on his waist coat are about to pop....OR if you don't like fat hat muscle hat. Flexing. I just really like muscles

Ok but is it agreed upon the show wasn't even funny or interesting?

Because it wasn't and that's my actual problem with it. Felt like the work of an edgy webcomic artist.

>>92585794
It's a classic gag used for characters who cover their faces 24/7 by a mask or whatever, and for a show as unoriginal and tropey as this, they're definitely going to have an episode about what's underneath

>>92585892
No, stop projecting retard

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>>92585892
Maybe it's not that it's "not funny or interesting", but that "you don't find it funny or interesting"?

>>92585892
>edgy webcomic artist
Pretty close, but I found it funnier than most shit currently on CN. And by "most shit" I mean everything but TAWoG.

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>>92585412
Wrong face

>>92583000
>I didn't know it was normal for human women to lust after villainous figures in top hats

I usually like to creep on guys with top hats/suits at steampunk convention so...it maybe not be normal but is somewhat common

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>>92585053
>>92585574
beat me to it

>>92585797
Sharp teeth
Quirky clothing and behaviour
Seems funny and constantly acts funny

These are my loose ideas as the criteria for a "wacky waifu design"

Is it bad I like this?

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>>92585797
The eyes and being crazy.

>>92585941
Nah, my opinions are always objectively right.

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>>92584656
Its not the sharply dressed factor
its the fact he could rip me to pieces, eat the pieces, and put me back together in a hellscape to slowly drive me insane
what can i say, women like danger.

>>92586002
Aw yeah, lovecraftian husbandos and body horror are the best

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>>92586002
>implying the sharply dressed aspect isn't a nice bonus
Suits are hot, dude

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>>92585996
Then what's your opinion on the fujos?

>>92585966
It's a reference to his english voice.

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>>92581738
>Steven Universe wich have more "original" concepts.
>80's cartoon Gem mixed with Sailor Moon
>original

>>92583083
>Also every character is fuckable.
This

>>92585992
Most likely this.

>>92586079
How is 505 fuckable?

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>>92586172
how is he not?

>>92586172
people fuck stuffed animals, whats new?

>>92586172
He's a bear

>>92585809
Peruvian here, spic sounds cool

>>92583385
>who even cares what this evil guy and his awkward nerdy scientist

One word: fangirls

>>92585894
Nah, what matter is the character, the bag is there just to make him stand out

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>>92585794
>someone asks why he wears a bag
>he says it's because he's self conscious about being ugly
>removes bag
>he's actually a cute boy underneath
>fujos go wild
>show somehow becomes even more popular

Ituriel would be a fool not to do it.

>>92586172
He got to wear cute maid uniform onscreen.
I'm sure somebody wants to fuck him.

>>92581738
Why are people arguing against this? Of course Villainous is derivative, /co/ likes Villainous BECAUSE it's so similar to other early 2000s shows. It reminds /co/ of better times, vs. the other popular pilots right now which are more derivative of the current popular shows (Regular Show, SU, etc.). It's the smae logic beind Loud House.

give me a reaction image to redraw into a villainous character

>tfw curious enough about the english voices I'm feeling tempted to leave the TV on all day on CN
>programming for today is all nu-PPG and uncle grandpa
At least it's not all TTG I guess.

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>>92586263
>implying the bag that's minimalistic yet expressive isn't what makes him cute in the first place
Why are people so weak?

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>>92586279
This guy as Flug

>>92586263
That's exactly why he wouldn't do it, he designed Flug with the Paperbag in mind

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>>92585891
I'll probably do something with eating/tight clothes later, but drooling's a nice touch